Guild Wars 2

Disagree, these matches are needed to get the glicko system back on track, unbalanced matches will happen for a bit while the real scores are developed. Glicko2 was originally designed with this method, it hurts some people now because it wasn’t used since the start.

Regardless, I like this system, and I hope the people whining don’t cause ANet to cave on this. Adjust the random variable max limits maybe if it warrants it, but 1 week certainly isn’t long enough to tell.

And to the people crying, learn some new strats while you are “outmatched” for a week, it’ll only make you stronger.

That being said, can we stop making fifty billion posts on this because you feel your kittening is more important than someone else.s

Whoever created this thread, I hate you. I don’t know how you did it, but my eyes glaze over the title every time I’ve tried to find the thread this week, and it takes like 2-3 scans before I finally find it.

So shame on you! Also shame for not using the QA format for easy score updates. Anyway, enjoyed our time in t6 so far, looking forward to the new matchups regardless of where we land up though.

Caffynated.5713:

WvW is better without ACs and trebs. Bring back rams, cats and ballista.

Lol, so no siege counter to rams? That sounds smart XD. People who can’t handle AC’s are people unwilling to adapt, and they are those who are incapable of presenting even remote intelligence to place siege.

Why do I get the feeling that people who want retaliation nerf’d are the same people that enjoy the bug that is currently causing the Golem-based zergfests without any tactics or strategy?

And …

Guards and retal spam engies are very annoying as well, but not quite so bad since you only proc once per attack.

How does a mesmer cause multiple procs of retal per attack? Are you sure you aren’t talking about confusion and retaliation?

Unless you are killing clones en mass, I don’t see how this could happen. (And if you are killing clumped up clones you deserve to die, you realize that killing them applies stacks of confusion in a smart build, correct?)

Can you imagine what will happen on reset night if this doesn’t get fixed.

Jhawk.1360:

Fort Aspenwood is not happy We could have held first place if it wasn’t for this bug! Thanks A-net for working hard to get this problem fixed!

The same thing happened with SF last night, we were holding the lead through the week, the second we lost siege those golem zergs just flopped us and IoJ with having no real deterrent.

KillEveryoneElse.3940:

if you like mindless farming zergs with no skill then yes.

^.

Especially when you can still build golems to just steamroll through everything and you can build siege for defences. Making it so you don’t have to think in WvW about tactics and gameplay is stupid.

WvW was my last haven with something I still regularly enjoyed with GW2, it’s not enjoyable at this point.

lemora.1304:

If he’s so communicative why didn’t he tell anyone about the buffs to arrow carts beforehand? Or the implementation of traps? Face it these people at Anet are off in their own little world where everything is rainbows and unicorns.

This statement couldn’t be any more pedantic. Arrow Carts were mentioned beforehand, so were other various things. While Devon has been on board, the Glicko Ghetto was temp fixed while they came up with a solution to implement Glicko2 like it was originally designed for, which is HUGE for matches.

Blaming one person for the failure the QA department (yet kittening again), just further displays your failure to not only comprehend how design and development works but your inadequacy to weigh in on the argument other than to kitten for the sake of kittening.

There is a cap in SF in EB atm, or rather an invalid cap, not letting us drop more siege. I’m wondering if someone borked the code somehow, or rather made a problem in the past more prevalent.

There is no way we should be capped.

The gap is not a secret. It’s just people not paying attention very well. Same with rotating the camera so it clips a corner and you can get the stairs.

Honestly, it’s all just stupid that it’s even in the meta. ANet should just let us all zoom out and put us all on the same playing field for utilizing AC’s to their actual range. Until that happens though … certain tools should be discouraged as cowardly play, because it is “cheating”.

neiliam.8614:

Keep it classy, San Diego.

Hopping on the bandwagon a little late; but foly huck, what did you do to get Palace to talk?

It’s an omen, kitten’s about to go down -_-.

Omne.4603:

Yes Os is a huge zerg guild with hordes of players and we have always been on HoD and are currently their. You sir are winning.

When encountering zergs in t7, Os is one of the few tags that stood out as having mass numbers, if you don’t then you have a kittenton of mesmers… /sarcasm. It does appear I mis-remembered which server you were on though, so my bad there.

Lol @ FC having big zergs all day every day. I’m sorry, but that’s pretty kitten funny. After stomping on HoD for a couple weeks the only thing they had going for them was their zergs *cough*Os*cough*, PAXA was the only small-man group I ever remember running into that accomplished anything.

Fiction.6418:

I have been on maguuma since a month into the game maybe with guild and while I love playing with those guys I have contact with them outside of game. Maguuma has increasing fallen in love with zergs and zerglings to where that is all anyone does “outside of a few guilds” and my own. I am looking to transfer to t6-8 server that has no chance of moving up because of bandwagon situations that feels they have more actual fighting than zerging. Anyone have any decent suggestions? I don’t care if you’re winning or losing your tier just looking for first hand information. Thanks in advance.
I want to make it clear, it is just me that is moving my guild is staying where they are.
PK

Go to t8, either ET or FC (most probably FC even though they are mid-range right now). HoD would be viable as well, but less than ET or FC.

Zergwars happen in all tiers, (yes even t8), but there are dedicated roaming guilds there that will probably accommodate what you are looking for. T7/T6 is pretty zergy during peak times as well.

Ew, did you really just call him Norm Chomsky? Haha. Want another awesome quote? “colorless green ideas sleep furiously”, and yes, that is Noam Cholsey as well, which clearly makes my statement that much more valid. Yay for linguist’s that comment on politics in a gaming thread. All over the place in hurr.

Bah more temporary content. Anet you are pushing me away fast, please stop. I love this game a lot, I have put thousands of hours into it so far and still find things to do. The fact that you are forcing me to complete content on YOUR timetable, as opposed to when I choose to is really driving me away. I feel like it’s become a job to keep up with achievement’s as opposed to participating in content when I have time to.

You are also hurting your WvW community significantly, there are lot of us that don’t JUST WvW hardcore. And the WvW communities that rely on these cross groups get hurt significantly when this content comes around while they try and complete it in a timely manner.

I don’t know if you’ll even read/address these issues but I wish I could put into words aptly how bad this design is, and it really needs to stop now.

Let’s not even address the extremely limited items brought about with this content, (Sentinel’s gearstats anyone?), and the fact that there are an excess of quality of life improvements that really should have been added to the game first before we are left trying to grab the fragments of all the temporary content to keep up.

I am also curious about what they intend to do with this new matchup system.

Ephedrine.4521:

Looks like our tier is the most competitive this week so I think its a win win win for the tier. I finally finished the jumping puzzle in southsun and will be in wvw tonight looking for a fight to relieve my frustrations.

Dat [GRIM], always 1v1+x’ing my while I run around solo. But as a fellow victim of the abuse garnered from the Southsun jumping puzzle, you have my sympathies.

Heat-Vent survivors support group meets up on Fridays around reset times, usually ends up in most of us slaughtering each other though, the emotional conditioning and torture has wreaked havoc upon our ability to deal civilly with one another.

To everyone else, you now understand the reasoning behind WvW.

Mmmm, dat DH SM and DH Garrison tasted so sweet last night.

hyjaxxx.1584:

lol Sorrows Furnace , Isle has played you for fools. This whole team up on Darkhaven thing has been a well thought out plan….

Isle figures it can trounce you down the stretch…so they make a deal that sounds good to SF " hey lets double team darkhaven , it will be awesome and ponies will fall from the clouds" Isles only intention was to get through reset weekend when they are awful. Hoping the double team would put DH far back in third , then Isle can pull SF during the week for the win.

Sorrow, you have been used as a meat shield army to boost Isle to first. its starting to look like eve online up in here….

jaxx

Any “alliance” is going to have that factor. It’s clear that the majority of IoJ doesn’t look kindly towards said alliance regardless though, as we are still nightcapped by them. But in the end, anything that get’s SF and IoJ to focus on DH is a win in my book. It’s more fun to see the scores closer together. Don’t get your panties in a twist, you’re the leader of the tier whether you’re currently winning the match or not, it paints a giant red target that is hard to pass up, (especially when it’s made so easy to hit).

Also, dat zoomhaven, luls. I’ve never seen those zoom tools used in such excess before, too funny that you think you need them.

Not really, because we know we have the skill and numbers to wipe you when we’re both queued. We proved it both of our first two reset nights through the weekend. ET/FC couldn’t really say that much.

We’ve definitely resorted to smaller group tactics now and we fare well with the numbers we have, so in that aspect yes, that sentiment is shared with ET/FC. The problem is burnout and apathy, we lose too much during our lack of coverage, people don’t want to defend and upgrade, because honestly, it’s not worth it.

Hell, I even come in WvW much less than I used to simply because it’s much less entertaining/fun when we aren’t matched well.

I have yet to see a queue outside of those first two weekends, it’s rather sad, used to happen in Primetime almost daily.

stronnghest.1426:

dh wipes ioj and sf zergs

Lol, what SF zergs? Have you even played in the last week? Or are we still sticking with the 15 people = a zerg for low tiers.

MrFluffy.9307:

GavinGoodrich.1382:

For me it’s not even really about playing for 1st, it’s about keeping the match up interesting. It goes to kitten when one of the non-green teams gets double teamed, it’s fantastic when both teams push the stronger one that’s basically holding all the cards on EB. I want more of the 2nd, less of the 1st. Tiers are pretty irrelevant. We’re all in this for fun. I’ll always try to push DH when i’m leadin’ EB, I hope more IOJ’s do the same

mate, we’re both commanders on the same server and we do attack DH; just not when we’re outmanned 3 to 1. As much as I love attacking DH I can’t fight zergs 3x my groups size. The reason why we can only attack SF for now is because DH has more organized WvW guilds and most of the fair-weathers on IoJ and SF have gone to Southsun and stopped doing WvW. I will say though WvW has been pretty boring lately with DH just wiping all of EB 10 times a day with golem rushing the outmanned server.

My point is IoJ has never had the numbers to equally compete with DH (we have around the same during aussie hours though) so it just kinda makes sense that we’re trying to hold onto our position of second place by keeping SF below us.

That’s a bad excuse. DH’s zerg is pathetically one-track minded. Two groups of 5 people can not only backcap whatever they zerg over, but also attack their structures that have next to no people in them because they leave up crap for defenses.

In EB, I have seen the DH zerg split up MAYBE once, and it was followed by both ends wiping to siege. Picking on weaklings is exactly why we detested ET for the longest time in T8, when they would frequently go after FC (before the mass ET exodus). It doesn’t prove anything other than the mentality of a bully, and quite honestly, I don’t see how anyone could actually enjoy that.

If you really have the same numbers and you are having trouble going after DH during your aussie hours, I sincerely hope they have better quality zergs than they do during our primetime. Otherwise I need to find a shaking head in shame gif for you.

I’ve seen a few roaming groups on IoJ, well, last night was the first time, and they didn’t really stand out (i.e. dead fast), but they they exist! To be fair though, we (as in me, my guildies, and when I’m commanding) don’t go after IoJ for a number of reasons. 1) DH is up in our face 2) DH is up in our face 3) DH is up in our face.

Lol, seriously though, we only take from IoJ when they grab our buildings. More fun to go either play defense against large numbers, or go after the bigger targets. Makes playing the game fun.

melodey.4652:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Lol @ claiming pugs and 7 different guilds comprises of [SE]

I will totes take the credit on my level 22 squishy for [SE] if you insist.

Liar, you stole my screen cap, I already revealed that was me spying.

To quote the revered Sir Fred Durst and his tasteful lyrics of luxurious decadence, “… your mouth’s writing checks that your kitten can’t cash”. <333

Lol @ claiming pugs and 7 different guilds comprises of [SE]. And dat proof of losing is legit. Here lemme give this a try…

Here is a screen cap of me spying in DH as I watched a zerg half the size of [SE]’s original force demolish the remainder of these glassy pros.

Spoiler alert. [SE] wiped so hard they emoquit the game.

Mayhem.1935:

Uh, i think you don’t understand where im coming from my friend. I dont care about 50 man this or that. I’m talking about me roaming solo or duo and crush 4-5 of your guys, then escaping the eventual convenient zerg that comes to the rescue. The only people that are remotely challenging now are the (KING) guys from SF, and only a few of those guys give me trouble. Cheers! And GL earning that silver medal in T6. ^.^

Wait wait, holdup, you’re hardcore because you killed some randoms (in a borderland nonetheless)? Your player skill must be off the charts, I can’t even imagine going up against numbers greater than ours and defeating them, I mean, WvW is all about numbers, right?

That totally explains why every [SE] group we’ve encountered not only didn’t wipe us, but was slaughtered in seconds. Dat pro skillz. Bragging without backing anything up is apparently where the pro points are in this tier.

melodey.4652:

lulz, couldn’t you put the drama in our own matchup thread? That thing has crickets.

VII. From the smallest blade of grass to the largest mountain, where trolls go… so, too, should you. Or something like that, I may have forgot my learnings, from not being bashed on the head by these pro [SE] players so often.

Mayhem.1935:

I like fighting IoJ & SF equally, most of their players are zerglings and it makes me look really good haha. Not like DR those guys can fight, i miss actually having a tough time killing people with skill =(

That’s funny, last night holding off 50+ (yes 50, because you had enough to mitigate damage to your siege from our arrowcarts) in our area in EB with 3-10 people at a time would’ve said otherwise :P.

It was rather funny to watch how easily the huge DH zerg could be deterred with a single AC or Ballista countering the normal siege areas. DH calling anyone out on ‘zerglings’ is lulz at it’s finest.

Lol, it has been irritating on our end. When we were winning our first days on reset here, we were told that you were both going after us because we had the most points, when we dropped down to second, it was because DH recaps stuff faster, when we dropped down to last it’s because there is less resistance.

It’s okay, you can admit you hate us, we’re used to it from t8/t7 by now. You’ve successfully demoralized our fairweathers, so we only really have core WvW’ers around anymore (which has given a lot of us an interesting perspective, especially on countering zergs).

It also makes defeating IoJ and DH in battles that much sweeter.

HoD is giving up again, in t8? Man those free-transfer bandwagoners really hurt their overall morale when things got challenging.

That’s hilariously what happened last night in SM. Katie and whoever else was on had snagged it, it re-invigorated everyone and there were significant numbers, and we were holding off DH really well. Then the WvW patch/reset/whatever happened, DH got their numbers back inside before we got our numbers down to hold off at the wall, and we lost it.

Not even 20 seconds after we lost SM, we went from being relatively matched for DH, to outmanned. EVERYONE left, it was hilarious. Apparently SM is our lifesblood.

Yeah, we (me and guildies) were getting frustrating trying to rally what is our normal populace into WvW. After working so hard on improving the score, to see it shot down so easily because people finally ran into a challenge.

Coverages wars suck, that’s for sure. So we’ve decided that until everyone stops taking breaks, burnouts come back, timed PvE events are over, and whatever other excuse people are using because WvW requires that you actually pay attention and play smart now; that we are ignoring the score.

We’ll get in when we can and play for fun. Once WvW becomes an obligation it isn’t a game anymore, and it was getting to that point.

Cheers to IoJ and DH for causing us to step up our game, and a warning (especially to DH); beware of your fairweathers, lol. I haven’t come up against a server that has as many glassy people as DH has (which is most likely because of your numbers), while you’re ahead try and establish strategies that don’t rely on mass numbers. Because it will bite you in the kitten hard when you get a decent challenge.

It’s good to know it’s being looked at, thanks for the update.

Something needs to be done about this questline. I’ve failed this 20 times in a row over the past 2 days, attempted with coordinated guild groups, randoms etc on five different servers.

The fight with Grenth itself is fine. The problem is the second phase after the Priest of Grenth is dead.

Either the Champion Spider spawns behind the Jonez and one-two shots him, or the Champion Wraith spawns and uses his massive AoE and one shots him. There is no doubt that it’s challenging which is good, but it’s challenging for the wrong reasons. You have to get lucky as kitten that a series of thieves are stealthing Jonez while the rest of the group is in the center, if you have ANY players visible near Jonez, he is pretty much dead. Or you have to have such a massive zerg that their damage is being ignored to Jonez because it’s split up between so many playable characters.

Beyond that, even half the time when he is stealthed, he randomly decides to kamikaze towards the champions instead of finishing the summon, I don’t understand why that is :/.

Some of the design here just seems silly. I’m glad there’s challenging content, just please keep it challenging in the right ways.

AFAIK, no one in SF wants to advance anyway :P. That was already fairly evident. We were already leary about leaving t7. Yes, we belong in t6 for sure, but we can do far better, especially during prime time. The response has been abysmally lackluster lately.

Does DH have more numbers than SF during the night? I’m just curious why their areas were entirely untouched in that screencap earlier. I know we hurt on numbers at night, but it’s hard not to look at that and think we’re being ganged up on, between during the day (DH hitting us heavily) and at night (IoJ capping our stuff).

Or I guess another question would be, does IoJ not have as many numbers as they imply over night and only focus target one target at a time?

(I really need to stay up overnight one weekday and see what goes on).

Anyway, besides the two commanders that work with each other between IoJ and DH as mentioned, I doubt there’s actually an alliance as opposed to path of least resistance behavior (at least on IoJ’s side, dunno what DH’s excuse is).

And as for SF, wtf guys. I know we can do far better than we have been, it’s rather pathetic when I go to borderlands/EB lately and watch the kind of kitten tactics, and lazily fighting in open fields as opposed to capping. Hopefully we get over whatever ‘shock to the system’ is going on quickly, it’s becoming hard to get into WvW when no one works together.

So Zelthios is the singular forum-warrior of DH then? Ah well, thread is still pretty civil into week 2, and I’m still enjoying the tier, hope DH and IoJ is as well.

Maladon.5760:

Serious people suck

Eh, honestly, just trying to clear up in case anyone else misunderstood. You are welcome to your opinion of me though.

Ljiona.9142:

Higher tier…commander drops a ram; people build.

Lower tier….people beat on a door. Some asks if anyone has a ram. Someone drops it. No one has supply. Ram disappears. People beat on door with sword till it is down.

^ Someone that has no idea what a lower tier is like. Coming from t8, t7 and then t6, all of these comments that higher tier guilds would roflstomp us is lulzworthy.

You think you’re so boss? Prove it, get down here and beat us.

Coverage gaps do in fact make me sad. It feels like cheating, but I know it’s not :P. There’s just nothing we can do to improve that without recruiting more people. Skill doesn’t resolve that factor.

That being said, looking forward to fun fights this week during our prime time.

EDIT: and FWIW the numbers from the weekends are not kids as opposed to the PvE guilds actually getting involved since it’s reset (our server is still very PvE-centric). At least, that’s when my guilds (and a few others I know) large WvW events are scheduled.

It’s all about community, and our server’s WvW community is awesome.

Also …
- Guild Transfers cost way too much.
- Guild Transfers cause you to lose all of your influence and earned items.
- Guild Transfers loose to many people along the way.
- Some of us have been on our server since launch, and enjoy server loyalty.
- Some of us like working on improving our community and skills, instead of just worrying about numbers/coverage.

Plus, I would never abandon our resident Dolyak that disguises himself as a human with a fro <3.

This is the most rage inducing bullkitten I have come across yet. My connection is as stable as possible, yet for some reason the server jitters are far too frequent and often when no one is even close to me.

ESPECIALLY on falling. And when you’re jumping down cliffs and you wait 5 seconds to make sure you aren’t going to magically take damage, then you jump down another ledge, maybe half it’s size and you die…

Yeah, this needs to be fixed. I rage less playing VVVVVV -_-, words cannot express how utterly frustrating this is.

I think reset night is why a lot of our guys have kicked back haha. We were like “holy kitten how are we doing this well”, and decided to tone things down quite a bit.

Caliban.3176:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Lol @ ad hominem attacks for players that disagree with you, good arguments should stand on their own. Not require you to attack the opposition.

Oh yeah, and all those posts saying we are mindless zergs and blobs and karmatrains and that we should l2play were not ad hominem?

I trie to refrain from going to ad hominems but he had no arguments that weren’t discussed already, he was just plainly trolling. I would never do that to anyone who is even remotely trying to have an adult conversation.

Notice that I don’t indicate a bias on either side in my post, that you decided to be defensive about it says enough. There are plenty of personal attacks going on on both sides, they aren’t adding anything to the thread other than bloat and most likely causing devs to ignore the thread entirely (I know I would if I were them).

Lol @ ad hominem attacks for players that disagree with you, good arguments should stand on their own. Not require you to attack the opposition.

SniffyCube.6107:

I remember you guys. The match up was a little boring for you before anet let you out of t8 hopefully we made it a bit interesting while you were in the tier.

For a while KWBH, TAC (pre transfers), and MEND (pre transfers) were the only guilds really giving is any viable fights. Which is exactly why we know we’d be glad to have you guys come over.

SF would love to have some t8 hell-forged brothers with us. KWBH was another one of those forces to be reckoned with on ET. We’re looking for more people regardless as we settle into our tier and would definitely prefer it was people we knew were competent and good at WvW.

So hopefully SF is a consideration for you guys. Feel free to pm me if you need any info/help getting over. Most of the commanders that fought you when we were in t8 are pretty tight and would work with integrating communication with you guys if you wanted.

Zephyrus.9680:

The fact that, out of the blue, they buffed ACs by over 100% for no apparent reason already should indicate someone calling the shots really doesn’t have much of an idea what they’re doing.

How often, in any game, for something that’s already balanced, do you see it randomly boosted by over 100%?

I’m 100% in favor of changing the zerg blob meta but… More towards roaming/strike teams… ANET why do we want treb wars???

When did 80% become over 100%? Lol…

Like 90% of these anti-arrow cart arguments are made by one person… He’s like a quarter of the entire thread lol.

*eyes Caliban.

Lol, I’m doing the same as far as commanding goes. I haven’t been on much as Vox, much less using the icon. Using this time to take some guildies through WvW training, getting tactics down, and enjoying playing my alts.

(jk, truth is some pro SF players called me a newbie in map chat and I emoquit, amiryte Savannah?)

I like this tier. It’s giving us a lot of opportunity to improve, I think it’s possible we could re-amass and pass up DH, but I have really been enjoying the fights and the attitude of our competition.

skinnyb.5920:

Must be nice down there in Sorrow Furnace going up against nothing. Come to the higher tiers and enjoy the rain of AC fire in hills and bay.

Must be nice having enough numbers to amass melee zergs and forget how to use offensive ranged siege. Owait … maybe that was the point. Coming from a server that is accused of excess zergs, I am well aware of how easily a stupid zerg can wipe with this change, and I approve.

These ad hominems are just as stupid as the nerf AC arguments.

Yeah, for the most part I agree as well, I just didn’t want to write anything off of the table yet.