Guild Wars 2

Maybe they should delete fast hands… That’d fix a lot of issues. Compensate elsewhere. Fast hands is literally one of the most OP traits in the entire game. Going as far to ask it as baseline is super selfish. If it’s because of “diversity” then just remove it. (I play warrior pretty frequently, you can’t deny the sheer power this trait has, which is why it’s even being asked as baseline.)

Power creep is already super real, there’s no need for every warrior in the game to have a 5 sec swap. Unless they reduced all swaps to 5, or maybe 8 as a happy medium.

nicknamenick.2437:

ArthurDent.9538:

They should make fast hands and cleansing ire compete for the same grandmaster slot because they are very core to warrior and need to be a choice.

(Yes I am salty about the ea fiasco with ele)

Yes they should remove stealth from skills and put stealth into 1 trait
Next thing is remove all evade and put that into 1 trait also.

Now place both traits into same GM slot for thiefs because they are very core to thiefs and need to be a choice.

And lets do this for all classes!

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I hope your where trolling, if not then this post is kitten serious also :-)

Yay, balance at last. Finally everyone will be on par with Necro!

Papish.5806:

Oh kitten , your right and i didnt even notice that there is two of those buggers doing that as well. Kinda thought the second one that was shot off front he left was a player but noticed it was also a blood fiend. Guess my prediction goes out the window.

That said. I hope Blood fiend gets something neat, and that it’s not just a map creature. :P

Edit: Because of placement, it’s not likely. I think they’re just map creatures. Heart broken.

Going to pop in here and just say, this is how the new system increases build diversity even with fewer options. This is how that happens. :P

So… Why aren’t you on Abjured then? Seems you’re the only one who has “mastered” DS. Props to you.

Papish.5806:

I did notice at 1:50-1:53 you can see what looks like a life blast traited for dhuumfire being fired off, then a green circular aoe with the same projectile circling it. Possibly a new skill we get as a utility or new Deathshroud skill that Dhuumfire affects?

That’s a blood fiend shooting a giant green fireball that causes an aoe with rain fire… That… that has to be part of the map, and not for player use. Watch again, up on the ledge, there is a blood fiend that shoots a fireball down into that spot that causes the ring it seems. o.O something fishy about it though.

silentnight warrior.2714:

ronpierce.2760:

Grimreaper.5370:

SupahSpankeh.8452:

Mastering DS? Excuse me? What’s to master? What on earth do you think us Necros have been doing since BWE1?

The top necro players from Paradigm etc. are all saying similar things re: bugs, balance and design. I appreciate we might not have the same godlike holistic view of the design you’ve created here Jon, but there’s a serious shortage of people who think the necro is fine and any issues are a result of L2P deficit.

I don’t believe I’ve ever said this to a developer before, but if you could provide video proof of someone utilising DS to devastating effect I’d be more than happy to accept your statement as relevant/accurate. The “good PvP” videos of necros dried up immediately after BWE2 and the DS HP/LF nerf.

6 second ICD on DS which can be traited to stun break, give retaliation and stability for 3 seconds. um, yeah if you use death shroud on point you can turn a necro into a god.

This was the whole ignorance thing I was talking about. First, 10 second – 30% is 7 seconds, regardless of the tooltip error. It’s also not an “ICD”, I don’t think you know what that means. It’s just a CD, which by the way only starts as you EXIT death shroud. So to make your silly numbers a reality, you would have to flash it every 7 seconds and be literally defenseless otherwise and make no use of it’s abilities, and it wouldn’t be a very successful stunbreak if all you’re doing is flashing it every 7 seconds. The things you’re saying are of almost 0 practical use because you clearly have no idea how a necromancer works…

He didn´t said anything about using DS every 6 (or 7) seconds. After you exit DS you have a CD of 7 sec and you can enter DS again after that time if you need to break stun and avoid a key burst move for example. The option is there.

Which means you would have had to preemptively not used any time in DS just to predict another stun 7 seconds in the future. You’re only proving my point. You don’t understand the kitten class. “The option is there”. Flashing every 7 seconds is a performance nerf from even just using DS normally.

No matter what you do, you’re making huge sacrifices. DS is tied to a necromancer’s defense, offense, most don’t even run FitG because its a giant DPS cut. Taking retal on DS (which has only a minor effect when you are realistic in terms of DS usage) means you’re giving up might on Life Blast. Etc.

Point being, things are being said, and people have no clue what they’re really talking about.

Grimreaper.5370:

SupahSpankeh.8452:

Mastering DS? Excuse me? What’s to master? What on earth do you think us Necros have been doing since BWE1?

The top necro players from Paradigm etc. are all saying similar things re: bugs, balance and design. I appreciate we might not have the same godlike holistic view of the design you’ve created here Jon, but there’s a serious shortage of people who think the necro is fine and any issues are a result of L2P deficit.

I don’t believe I’ve ever said this to a developer before, but if you could provide video proof of someone utilising DS to devastating effect I’d be more than happy to accept your statement as relevant/accurate. The “good PvP” videos of necros dried up immediately after BWE2 and the DS HP/LF nerf.

6 second ICD on DS which can be traited to stun break, give retaliation and stability for 3 seconds. um, yeah if you use death shroud on point you can turn a necro into a god.

This was the whole ignorance thing I was talking about. First, 10 second – 30% is 7 seconds, regardless of the tooltip error. It’s also not an “ICD”, I don’t think you know what that means. It’s just a CD, which by the way only starts as you EXIT death shroud. So to make your silly numbers a reality, you would have to flash it every 7 seconds and be literally defenseless otherwise and make no use of it’s abilities, and it wouldn’t be a very successful stunbreak if all you’re doing is flashing it every 7 seconds. The things you’re saying are of almost 0 practical use because you clearly have no idea how a necromancer works…

Saiyan.1704:

heartless.6803:

I’m a new pvper, and really terrible. I lose all the time, and I haven’t a clue why I’m losing.

First of all, it isn’t matchmaking it’s you. You can’t expect Anet to pick the worse players in the game to make your pvp experience better. In my experience, it has actually improved in the last 2 months.

Secondly, they’ve never said their goal was to be esports on a competitive level. They already stated what they’ve wanted for the game from day 1. It definitely wasn’t esports. In fact, pvp wasn’t mentioned at all.

There’s a million revisions they could do to improve the pvp experience and little has to do with classes or matchmaking. I could go into detail but that’ll be tl;dr.

Tl;dr
Add 2v2/3v3

dietzero.3514:

Five fingers?

A buff is a buff, man, I’ll take it!

Valmir.4590:

Am I the only one disappointed that the third specialization revealed isn’t one of the intermediary armours ?

Imdeed. Go Necro!!!!!!!!!!

Player.8373:

Meh not going to be excited untill we get something cool without much 111111111111111111 spamming on power necro.

this is actually one of the reasons I hope they remake Lich Form and Plague into real spectral/corruption skills. A little less emphasis on #1 would be fantastikitten

erally. Want to dps?
Dagger? 1 spam.
DS? LB spam.
Elite? Lich #1 spam.
Plague? Well.. #2 spam.

Not only that, but for weapons like Dagger and staff, you pretty much have to AA frequent enough just so you can support yourself on LF. :/

Or maybe the highest concept, very direct to the point of the expansion, lends to marketing and answers the question “what if professions had elite specializations”?

Introducing the Necromancer’s elite specialization: “Elite Specializationprofession”!
With trait classics such as:
“Minor trait – does something minor!”
“Grand Master III – Makes you a grand master at something!”

And their new utility type, Shouts! The most common and basic, with a twist, as they now make 100% more sense! New shouts such as:
“AHH!” – Because sometimes it makes you feel better!

And a great sword. It’s great!

Good luck out there Elite Specializationprofessions!

Can someone direct me to the “excitement”?

Bhawb.7408:

Seems like ANet loves to speculate on Necromancer, they have all kinds of OP builds they’ve thought up, just ask them :P

The opportunity is there, you just need to master Death Shroud.

Bhawb.7408:

Its as good a time as any to see if is time for me to fully quit the game or not.

C’mon Bhawb. We’ve been through thick and thin together. Who would I speculate with?

RITUALIST! Pl0x

Maybe it’s the most high concept “Elite Specializationprofession”

I have to say, I’m in the same spot. I’m like, can’t come fast enough… Next year!

Charblaze.6958:

@ronpierce: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEvKOscUEAIg4_6.jpg:large

Oh, I got confused. For some reason I thought he was discussing something in a trailer in those regards. Yeah, I still think that image has a spirit. :P

Foefaller.1082:

ronpierce.2760:

Foefaller.1082:

arkealia.2713:

Anet said they were reworking traps and spirits for ranger. Guess what? Guardian got traps.

They also said Warrior Physical skills are getting changed, and Engi kits are losing their hobosacks, does that mean Physical and Kits are also become skill types for the new epic specs? (Note before answering that giving another profession kits is practically akin to give another profession Elemental attunements: It’s basically how Engineers are suppose to function without weapon swap)

Then again, Guardians had some Consecration traits rolled into baseline, and I could accept Neco Consecration (Desecration?) skills.

Hobosacks got changed because of popular demand from engineers. How did physical skills change? Afaik they received no overhauls, just a new trait to try to encourage more use, and Mend became a physical skill, but all non-tagged spells got that treatment.

Physical Skills will now scale in effect depending on how much endurance you have. At full endurance, the Stomps will stomp wider, the kicks will send people further, the bolas will immobilize longer, etc.

I’m just saying that just because they changes how spirits work does not mean some other profession (much less necromancers) is getting spirits.

Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Touché.

Charblaze.6958:

Ratphink.4751:

I feel like everybody is getting worked up over something that was done with artistic license in mind…. and we all know how that HoT teaser trailer ended didn’t we? Sometimes guys, a spoon is just a spoon, and sometimes a splash of green in the background is just a splash of green.

This piece conveys everything the previous ones were supposed to convey. A new weapon (Shield, Longbow, Greatsword) new piece of armor (Shoulders, Gauntlets, Hood) and the profession in question (Mesmer, Guardian, Necromancer). I think everything after that is you guys digging for things that just aren’t there. o___o

From the HoT teaser trailer they got the longbow for guardians right.
On the mesmer’s teaser image there was only pink mist in the background , but when they added something (wings) for the guardian’s image it was totally relevant.

We may be guessing wrong, but it’s unlikely that the thing behind the necro is just an artistic license. In my opinion the “green splashes” are depicting the new use of our class mechanic (life force) in the specialization.

Am I the only one seeing an insect like spirit in the background?

Can you get a screenie of said spirit and the green splash? I’m not sure what people are referring to. O.o

Foefaller.1082:

arkealia.2713:

Anet said they were reworking traps and spirits for ranger. Guess what? Guardian got traps.

They also said Warrior Physical skills are getting changed, and Engi kits are losing their hobosacks, does that mean Physical and Kits are also become skill types for the new epic specs? (Note before answering that giving another profession kits is practically akin to give another profession Elemental attunements: It’s basically how Engineers are suppose to function without weapon swap)

Then again, Guardians had some Consecration traits rolled into baseline, and I could accept Neco Consecration (Desecration?) skills.

Hobosacks got changed because of popular demand from engineers. How did physical skills change? Afaik they received no overhauls, just a new trait to try to encourage more use, and Mend became a physical skill, but all non-tagged spells got that treatment.

Darksteel.8412:

unlucky.9285:

JonPeters.5630:

Keep in mind that some professions are harder to master than others. I believe Necro is the hardest, opinions may vary, but just keep this in mind. No we arent ignoring Necro, but once people start mastering DS, I’m afraid of how strong Necro will be. Give it some time for the average player to learn these things. For example early on in LOL master yi was dominant until people learned how to counter him.

MASTERING DEATHSHROUD!!!! are you kidding me? its a damage sponge that vanishes all too fast against multiple people and is hard to get back up because it requires opponent stupidity(hitting you during a spectral) or them to not dodge the fiew weapon skills that build it… Even if you have a full tank of ds they just need to immob you and cc you till its gone natural decay and all. if you cant master f1 then press 5 4 11111111111 then i dont know what to think… oh and consume condition is like a beacon shouting interrupt me im out of deathshroud and need to heal i will give you plenty of time to do so..

all healskills are easily interupted except HS, git gud

Yeah, like withdraw!

There is a lot of ignorance about necromancers here… It’s no wonder they never get fixed. Of the devs (who also play the game) think like the rest of you the classes is conpletely screwed…

Rym.1469:

Yea guys, we should stop being so childish. Constructive discussion, I say.

Jk. Colinmancer.

Credits to u/cybersin

Uh. No offense but that is literally terrifying.

TheRandomGuy.7246:

ronpierce.2760:

It’s high concept. You’ll understand when you’re high.

Fixed.

Whatever helps!

RabbitUp.8294:

ronpierce.2760:

Fenom.9457:

I hope nothing like Mordremslayer because after Mordremoth it’s weird, and promotes one dragon above the others. So whoever said Mordremslayer… NO! :P

It’s high concept. You’ll understand when you’re older.

How old do you need to grow to understand what “high concept” means?

I have plenty of understanding. Technically, Mordremslayer would be high concept. :P let’s not get all hostile defensive over Anet. It’s pathetic. I’m just poking fun.

MethaneGas.8357:

ronpierce.2760:

Aktium.9506:

Cogbyrn.7283:

Most likely Greatsword will be condis/bleeding based.

We already know the greatsword auto attack chain. It only inflicts Chill. A condi weapon with no damaging condi application on auto attack would be god kitten awful.

Necro staff, Ranger axe, and Mesmer scepter.

Mes scepter does torment
But… warrior bow, is another one which applies nocondis on auto.. not to mention condi guard.
Still though… GS could be a hybrid weapon.
Celestial GS Necro anyone?

Man I really neglect mesmers. When did that happen. I want cripple on Staff 1 and a torment.

Aktium.9506:

Cogbyrn.7283:

Most likely Greatsword will be condis/bleeding based.

We already know the greatsword auto attack chain. It only inflicts Chill. A condi weapon with no damaging condi application on auto attack would be god kitten awful.

Necro staff, Ranger axe, and Mesmer scepter.

ronpierce.2760:

It will be Dragon Yeller.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Can-t-wait-for-Banshee-lt-3/first

Fixt

Dadnir.5038:

I root for the DragonYeller proposed by Coconutdown.

Also, Reaper is to classy for the necro if you want a profession that reap things… Well… There is always Peon that reap grain in fields. Even Better, the Dragon Peon elite spec. (I’m amazed at myself for this one…)

Excuse me, I created Dragon Yeller! >:(

brannigan.9831:

The damage and stability together is ridiculous. Are you really telling me that in a game based on holding points what I should do is run away for half a minute? Necros are weakish in the current meta but that doesn’t justify this. Boost the class nerf the crap.

As a Necro, I’m hoping plague and Lich form will get the same treatment tomes did.

TheRandomGuy.7246:

Orpheal.8263:

Their own fault … for being uncreative and insultive

I am pretty sure all this name hate would have calmed down by now if not this “high concept” response lol.

Indeed. It’s half the joke. :P

MiniEquine.6014:

DevilLordLaser.8619:

Is anyone else completely and utterly fed up with all the hysteria and bitterness over the Dragonhunter’s name? I swear this feels like the Ascended announcement all over again, except this time there isn’t even any proper basis for it.

Get OVER yourselves already, please. This is a new week for a new spec. Can we try focusing on that for three consecutive seconds?

I’m with you on this one. I fear, though, that the anti-DH circlejerk will be relentless during the coming months…

You got that right. It’s a pretty funny gag and I plan to keep jerkin’ until the devs start twerkin’.

Sabre.8627:

Guys isn’t the symbol behind just the dragon in the Heart of Thorns logo?

http://i.imgur.com/YWxlrOX.png

Not quite, but INC Thornweaver! Plant-related banners it is!

Anchoku.8142:

Instead of a tool belt, maybe DS 6-9 have mixes and somehow Necromancer selects which mix to apply to a weapon when not tossing potions.

Would be weird if ONLY elixirs had opposite DS abilities. But I never really thought about that… How awesome would that be if DS 6-0 had its own Utility DS moves tied to each utility just like Engineers? Unfortunately, that’s VERY not likely. Cool thought though.

Not sure why I never conisderd Necromancers with elixirs. I’m ashamed of myself.

Unfortunately, though, the best part of elixirs is their 2-part uses for Engineer. Now sure how they’d replicate that for another class. :/

Do like the general thought though. Wish our thrown one could turn people into frogs. </3

chronometria.3708:

Is that an asura?

No, it’s a Bone Minion.

Minion Equips, new meta.

Belenwyn.8674:

Keep in mind that nasty things will happen as soon as the defiance bar is broken: stuns, damage received is 50% higher etc.

Yeah. I’m iffy myself. Have been since it’s discussion, but keeping my fingers crossed that the draw backs are minimalized for players lol. Otherwise it’d likely cause more harm than good. Head shot head shot head shot 20k backstab!

Holl.3109:

It’s not gonna be shouts… RIP this thread
the new picture is definitely implying shouts

Which is it.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

If another AI spec makes it into specializations, I am going to uninstal the game and fill my free time with other needless aspects… Sorry to say, but since these three years, AI has literally held back the game multiple times, and with no change in sight to improve it… you can guess the rest

Well, if we get Spirits, there still won’t be another AI spec. They don’t perform any actions, and thus have no AI.

Banners are sick AI, haven’t you heard?

choucs.4507:

just accept your noobiness and stop trying to insult devs and try to have your class buffed to cover your sorry ars

if you are as good as noscoc you would already be in a team and be competing in top levels.

Even Nos got wiped out constantly and is speculated to be one of the biggest “weights” for the team… So… There’s that.

The thing about Necro is it can be used simply because it has enough damage, but its defenses and mobility are where it’s held back, hence babysitting. To be fair, for the numerous DPS buffs we’ve gotten, we didn’t really ask for them. We’ve pretty much always wanted help with 1vX defenses and fixing design flaws, but instead they do silly stuff that buffs our damage which ends up in a net nerf down the road. (See: Dhuumfire)

It helps to know what you’re talking about. Most of the Necros on the forums that see the issues are veteran Necros.

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Ritualist seems out of the question right now – lack of blue themed spirits and some omnious aura does not imply ritualist… Though I was wrong about the Guardian, so hey-ho

They’re keeping all classes with their base-class color on purpose. It keeps them categorized.

But idk…
http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/thumb/6/62/Aggressive_binding_spirit.jpg/250px-Aggressive_binding_spirit.jpg
vs
http://i.imgur.com/D8K7psU.jpg

I could see that thing behind there being a spirit outline.

Relshdan.6854:

ronpierce.2760:

The ranger spirit points are irrelevant. They specifically said already they are reworking ranger spirits to be immobile but much more potent. It’s this specific change that made me wonder about another class getting spirits because it seemed like a random overhaul that wouldn’t seem real likely if it didn’t affect any HOT specializations.

Ironicay they’re reworking spirits in Rangers to be more like Ritual ones at a rather “convenient” time.

i’d be fine with spirits on necro as long as they were not “passive area denial” but instead an active “sacrifice”. they intend to do that to ranger spirits.

gain a weaker self buff on summon, then gain lifeforce and a very strong AoE ally buff/effect on sacrificing/banishing the spirit.

I hope they’re A.) Good and B.) Supportive in nature so I can make a hybrid Minion/Spirit build with OP synergy and a higher skillcap.

spoj.9672:

Not seeing it. :P

Are you trying to not see it? :P

Silv.9207:

If they change our DS into Defiance Bar they will obtain a dead walking necromancer.
We have only the DS to defend us and it’s a very very very bad fedensive skill. If they strip it out of us how we can be not killed easy by almost all the classes with just a lot of dps?

I think the idea is the GM makes DS have a defiance bar with it. It’s a GM trait, so in addition to. Not an elite spec replacement.

spoj.9672:

The symbol almost reminds me of a shield. So maybe we will have an extra f skill to use/toggle our lifeforce as a shield/health buffer without entering the transform.

That thing behind it is a spirit.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/thumb/6/62/Aggressive_binding_spirit.jpg/250px-Aggressive_binding_spirit.jpg Look at the arched shape. Confirmed.

Bhawb.7408:

I really hope PoI steps up its game this week, I was really hoping we would get a Ready Up preview with how awful the PoI one was in comparison. W/e though, we’ll finally know if we’re getting shouts or spirits or something else, and if it really is Marjory’s GS AA animation so I know how many people I have to say “I told you so” to.

Clearly you don’t recognize the style of sword. Mordremslayer. It’s high concept.