Guild Wars 2

Mif.3471:

War doesn’t stop for nap time.

WvW isn’t war my friend, we want it to be!!

currently it is “who has more points” and thats exactly what is boring about NA ladder and Vizunah playstle :P

suprNovae.5410:

I don’t think Vizunah has a much better coverage than other servers. I think their secret is that they start a karma train through all WVW maps and all pugs and Pve people join it. We on Elona could easily mess with Vizunah but due the fact that we lose like 50% of the pugs if it gets difficult we are always outnumbered at night.
In my opinion Vizunah is full of zombies. They never sleep and aer superior. but it’s get boring. Don’t blame them for playing wvw like it’s supposed to be.

i didnt blame them, read my post again.
i agree with you, they just adapted but its boring for everyone , thats my point!

WvW is meant to be played for 24 hrs, perfectly fine IF ur on NA server where the whole world SEA/Oceanics/even EU and whole for Americas plays, but this doesn’t work in EU atall.

EU is 1 region and the only timezones which are even close to active are Russian(gmt+3) Middle east(gmt 4) and spanish who don’t sleep at night :P,

i am on desolation and play on 4+ GMT and every time i login, there is absolutely nobody playing on Desolation, which is by far the most populated server in EU.

the usual “primetime” for EU only lasts for about 3-6 hours which is again riddled with quues on almost all servers and the rest 18 hours have almost no players nor coverage atall.

the only exception to this is Vizunah square, the only server with 24 hour coverage in EU, we can argue that they have canadians, french playing for 20 hours straight for everyday for the last 7 months or what ever the reasons , this has made them into a very succesful and effective but boring server using the same tactic , golem rush everything on everymap when other servers are offline and upgrade everything and just defend in the EU primetime which makes them pretty much unbeatable in EU.

This strategy though is very effective and works really well, it has de moroalised pretty much every other server in EU.

few servers, deso/SFR did have NA guilds for a brief period of time and quite easily beat Vizunah but the amount of time , but paid transfers pretty much closed these doors for every server now. and the whine from VS is just too much for anybody to handle.

go to any EU tier1/2 server threads and u will see nobody wants to play VS anymore, again its not even VS is fault, they merely adopted to a flawed points and ranking system by Anet

Apparently 3 people playing at offhours for 10 hours (30 man hours) is a lot more effective than 10 people playing for 3 hours( 30 man hours) according to the points systems.

The only solution i see is either fix the points system to reflect the population activity in WvW or make global servers.

my playtime has already decreased from 4+ hours to 1 hour now, cos of ques and when we finally get in, we have no server to fight against cos, 1 server doesn’t come out of their towers and the 3rd server has already given up in the first 2 days.

Jude.5408:

salluks.6017:

EU tier 1 will never be fun as long as VS plays te way they play, SFR/PIKEN pls, get on tier 1 and let us have tier 2 :P

No way man, Deso should tank and get fun in T2 with SFR and Piken, fun battles in open field with less nigthcapping, that is what we all aim for after all.

we cant cos our pugs don’t listen to us atall..
how SFR managed to stop playing last 2 days in the last week to drop, Deso can never do that because we have very few wvw guilds and more casual guilds who run events and have to depend heavily on PUGS for support.

and dont know what happened to Elona, last time we face them 5 weeks ago they beat us 300k, now they can barely put up a fight, they keep hitting us constantly obviously not their fault cos VS dosnt fight at all.

looks like we will be playing VS again,

lol, they need 5 golems to take an empty BL ?

http://i.imgur.com/cjOocld.jpg

EU tier 1 will never be fun as long as VS plays te way they play, SFR/PIKEN pls, get on tier 1 and let us have tier 2 :P

24 hr matches are very different than a weekly match. I dont know why people dont get that at all.
But i agree wvw will be boring but for a lot more reasons than just.imbalanced match ups.. My playtime has already reduced from 4+ hrs to just about 1 hr already.

Altie.4571:

loopi.7913:

I’ve tried and played quite a few mmo’s out there and while this game is currently my favorite for the gaming experience, it is definitely last in communication between their player base and the game designers. It’s not the amount of communication it’s the complete lack of it. I just don’t understand… This was one of the biggest selling games of 2012, Yet the amount of manpower focused on keeping the community informed is nil. Wth? Am I the only one confused by the lack of customer communicators? Is there not a small department at Anet that should be dedicated to this? Even if they are not devs, they can be the go betweens between the designers and those needing questions answered, real issues that need attention, or future update fixes. (and not moderators because they just monitor forum rabble) That to me just good business sense. Please anyone listening?

Honestly, you should just try forum search.

Because there is communication. Saying none is false and everyone knows it :-/

why are u defending Anet so heavily?

even if 50k people play WvW actively, i assure you, these guys will stay far longer despite being ignored, than the PVE crowd who get showered with rewards at every drop of a hat who will jsut move on to the next MMO,

why do u think people still quote DAOC even after 10 yrs and it also sold 50k copies in its first year.

What if anet had actually paid attention to wvw.

puts up with the constant BS that Anet puts him through!

yriafelc.6124:

I don’t get why we are trusting the info from a third party site.

But I do agree that we need to squeeze-out more information from Arenanet about this new maths. Work week is just starting, which is probably why we don’t get any answers yet.

are u seriously asking that question???
that third party is eons ahead of what excel sheet copy paste that u get from Anet once every 3 weeks.

i got my fastest Dodge daily today,
just go to any vs tower and start dodging, ull be done in 30 secs or less.

Svarty.8019:

Offski.4897:

Also comeon Anet let us know the new ratings system, just shows a complete lack of respect to all those who have paid for this game and put time and effort into it.

Arenanet have NO obligation to explain their internal systems to you, and I encourage them to keep them a secret.

Anet has EVERY obligation to explain stuff to us, if u buy a product from a company, it IS ur right to know and get reply from that company!

Anet would not have any obligation IF we didnt pay the money for the game.. they are not doing any charity!

We are as it looks like.

Zaowi.7098:

EternalNub.2078:

vizu is already atm t2 on next match up and we are at t7

that is using old rating system , anet have another system so the matches on mos are probably totally wrong.

yes , but they also said that old ratings wont carry forward to not “pollute” this rating.
so its essentially as good as its showing now on mos, only difference might be their math would be different for servers to find balance faster, so it wont take ages for servers to find their true tier. thats probably the only difference.

Wandred.4583:

ruiins of sumria +22
desolation -21
GJ!

lol yea, i noticed that too!

deso is set to drop 21 places o.O

we have que in BL with 50 people in it… this game jsut gets better and better!

this is kitten deso BL has que and we dont even have 50 people there, and Elona BL crashed for us and we cant even get in there… wtf!

looks like the usual start,

VS coming in the morning and upgrading everything with no opposition.,

This is rather boring, i hope we drop quite a few tiers and atleast have something intersting to do next week on.

Until the ratings account for population and timezone coverage, T1 EU will be boring as kitten, resets or no resets.

there are not “settled” ratings. not exactly what we are looking for .

hmm, u think once deso or sfr goes down, they wont come back up atall?

deso atleast has done it before :P

for eu
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/EU-ladder-prediction-after-the-reset/first#post1350966

Neito.5308:

Benjamin.7893:

stop slacking sfr

Don’t worry Deso, we’ll be back to fighting you in a week or so

actually no,
we will not win this tier 1, so we will go down few tiers below everyone that wins their tier this week.
and u will win tier 2, so you will be back fighting vizu next week along with whiteside ridge :P

so deliberately dropping a tier might not be the best idea after all eh?

well good luck to kodash and BB for the new ladder.
you will have some really tough fights for your spots in tier 2.

MartyPartys.9187:

Everyone leavimg AG out? silly people

I think the biggest fights will be over Tier 3.

gunnars/piken/gandara/augury/AG/riverside etc

dont answer him, hes a leech, looks at his post history, id be surprised if he even knows how to get into wvw.

iam not talking about next week obviously, else whiteside ridge is a clear winner here.
i am talking about what happens when the ladder is settled, maybe a month from now i chose gunnars over piken cos, i feel they are much stronger and xaoc has no opposition in their time zone giving them free 4 -8 hours advantage.

i haven’t played in lower tiers so i can’t guess much, but id say almost all servers are within equal in EU primetime, its the outside hours that makes a difference, hence Gunnar’s is higher in the list. and thats why i say BB is also in the list.

its definitely worse for me as well, i cant even see my commander anymore.
Maybe have the placeholder with the old culling technique.

ok, lets predict the top 3 tiers after the reset and once the ladders are settled,
Lets see how many can guess the the best.

Tier 1
Vizunah
SFR
Deso

Tier 2
Elona
Gunnars
Jade Sea

Tier 3
Kodash
Augury
Baruch

Cactus.2710:

Goblin Beet Farmer.3045:

I think the longer someone has been on a server the higher priority they should have in the queue.

You’re missing the point. Your suggestion assumes that ANet actually has control over the queue. They very clearly do not. ANet doesn’t even understand why queues are not behaving according to plan, and yet you want them to change the plan to something even more complicated? They can’t fix something if they don’t even know why it’s broken.

this is right, some people really overestimate what the developer can control.

The question is whom do u not want to fight in Europe atleast.
And answer is vizunah for anyone who fought against them.
Moat boring server to play against.imho

this is a big problem in EU at least and VS is unbeatable for this sole reason. any reset, free transfers will not help in this matter.

However, Anet doesnt seem to acknowledge the problem, like they didn’t for many things and turned out to be wrong.

wow, someone wokeup late.

its been asked many times. but no reply from anet.

in their manifesto they said, it would be 500 people, which anybody who plays wvw can tell is bollocks.
more like 300 people or less and that too in the whole map, not in wvw battle.

we have had aprox 50vs50vs50 in a battle in EU tier 1 , and the game crashed for many and lagged really badly for the rest.

i will wait until feb patch hits before i go spend my karma.

Dyno.9467:

Grischu.3869:

Have fun next week in T1 after the reset

We’ll have to play really well next week in tier 1 (if we win this week of course) or a bad score will see us in tier 4-6 with the score reset.

doesn’t matter. If we deserve tier 1.we will get there from any tier

after playing for 900+ hours in wvw alone, i have 56 achivements…

and less than 100 hours on PVE and over 2500 achivements..

some balancing huh.

great stuff as usual, nothing less is expected from u guys..
btw i hate watching from ur view, u never pick up loot bags on click the gold icon..lol

Johje Holan.4607:

Is it possible for Blackgate to come in 2nd place but still drop to T2? If it is done entirely by the Glicko score that’s what could happen.

Man that would just be wrong.

Yes, it happened to desolation this week, despite us getting 2nd for 2 weeks in tier 1.

But our tier 2 had no competition for Elona, sactum of rall at least has some decent competition in t2.

Offski.4897:

Please ignore the arrogance in the post above. U guys kept coming and kept fighting and that is all that matters. Have loads of respect for that.

Look forward to more great fights as the week continues.

THIS,
since when did deso get so arrogant, i think we need a real beating in Tier 1 next week to shut some of us up for some time,

loads of respect to both bb and kodash.

man, seriously just pick any server, its not a life and death situation the way ur making it out to be!

Thers no reason to open 20 threads asking just to check which server is good, read few, decide on one and stick to it.. how difficult is it!!!!!

looking at ur threads, looks like u just wanna leech off on a good server. in that case, nope deso is not good, and ur welcome to move to other servers.

Ahh Kodash, 2 golems and a catapult and 20+ just to take hills with no upgrades from 3 of us???

Bonzibu.4970:

Wow – this is desolation? The server which has so “much skill” (and lost T1). I can see manpower, that’s it.
Of course will be a boring week, we have that manpower only during (German) primtime ;-)
Enjoy, next week VZ und SFR will show you skill…

I hope u know we beat vz and sfr in tier 1 in the last consecutive weeks.
We are in tier 2 cos we couldn’t finish 1st in tier 1 and elona had no competition in.tier 2 with arbestone dropping.

However if u think we have nos and coverage and no skill.. U will be really surprised to.face vz then.

Yea. Right now elona sfr and deso will.have to fight for 2 spots in tier 1. its sad that these completely dominate tier 2 which is not fun for anybody.

Siegebreaker commander.

We are still looking for russian guilds

There wont be much change in EU

Gunnars hold
Runis of Surmia
Jade Sea

will rise a bit, and may end end up in Top 3 Tiers.

However, i’d like to see how they fare against, BB,Gandara, Riverside, etc, i think they may be on par with them after the transfers.

Tier 1 has 4 servers which will probably not change for a while.

Vizunah, as always

SFR,Deso,Elona will fight for the remaning 2 spots.

oZii.2864:

Servers aren’t dying because there are servers with no WvW pop. Maybe those servers PvE more than WvW.

i was talking in terms of WvW, this is a WvW thread.. nobody cares about PVE. and if u havent checked EU . pls do.. a lot are already medium populated within 6 months.

only a WvW player actually cares on which server he plays on, lol

VOLKON.1290:

The impacts of paid servers will be a long-term feel as opposed to immediately felt. Current players will finally settle into a “home” and newer players will begin to fill the rest. As long as the game continues to draw players everyone should feel the benefits over time.

before, if you were bored of losing or stale game or whatever reason, you could give it a shot from a different servers perspective, that’s what most people did.

now, people would just stop playing, right now, populations and timezone problems are a far bigger issue than Anet likes to acknowledge.

And the Payment cost based on population is so misleading!, ill give you 3 examples

1. SFR – tier 1 server, medium population, high WvW activity , so less cost on transfer
2. Blacktide – High population, but dead WvW, high cost to transfer
3. Desolation – High population, average WvW activity, High cost of transfer.