Guild Wars 2

Konig Des Todes.2086:

• The entire involvement of Scarlet’s past workshop felt entirely unnecessary – even the Eternal Alchemy cinematic. While cool, what purpose did it hold? None. You can remove Scarlet’s involvement completely and have roughly the same story being told. It felt like it was done for the sole point of easing players’ complaints during Season 1 that we didn’t get to see what Scarlet saw – but that’s the entirely wrong reason to impliment such, and it’s far too late to redeem Scarlet’s plot by bringing all this stuff about her now. That stuff should have been placed into Season 1, and before The Origins of Madness (or the stuff we saw during The Origins of Madness and the Edge of the Mists releases should have been earlier, while what we have in Season 2 should have been during The Origins of Madness).
• The ‘gathering the races’ side steps felt unnecessarily short and glossed over. Ideally, each one should have had their own mini-arc to ease their problems. An entire nation’s issues won’t be solved by a single campaign into the heart of the second-largest Son of Svanir stronghold, or by eliminating a single tomb of ghosts. If I were writing it, I’d have ended E1 with the fight against Aerin and a revelation about new dragon minions, had E2 begin with consulting the Pact leading to wanting assistance from the nations to bolster their forces, turning the rest of E2, the entirity of E3 and all but the finale of E4 into solving the races’ issues – rather than pointlessly (plotwise) assisting attacked forts and the Iron Marches (which could still have been attacked, but left as open world not-part-of-the-living-story content), with 2-3 steps each race; 1 race in E2, 2 in E3, and 2 in E4. This was a chance to include multiple stories and/or story progression into the main plot without deviating from the main plot; a chance to show what’s been happening to the world in the two years since Zhaitan’s death aside from Scarlet and Kiel’s plots, and it was utterly and pointlessly overlooked.

Instead of fleshing out the potential of all these plot points, they’re turned into short one-instance done-and-over checklist aspects of the story. Why? We don’t know. What purpose does Belinda’s death serve, exactly? To give Marjory and Kasmeer the unneeded personal stakes in things? What purpose does seeing the Eternal Alchemy serve, exactly? To send us to the Pale Tree (something that Trahearne would have done if we went to the Pact after seeing new dragon minions)?

These are good plots, but they’re not being fleshed out to their best potential. Making the implementation and writing sub-par.

Of course, the implementation has certainly improved since Season 1. But that improvement is like going from a 1 to a 4 on a “being done well” scale of 0-to-10.

When Season 2 began, I thought it was the best kitten thing to happen for GW2. Looking at it after the initial introduction shock, I realize now that’s not so in the least. The best aspects of Season 2 is really just going back to how things originally was (the shared format with the Personal Story) with some improvements (repeatability); the rest was just because it’s merely better than Season 1 – it isn’t better than the Personal Story (well, some of the Personal Story for sure).

The story instances have, sadly, always held a place of “feels like an amateur did it” to me. Even/especially compared to GW1, which had worse voice acting for sure. Season 2 is no different.

sorry i dont really know how to use the forum tools so when i try and make the quote shorter it screws it up
ANYWAY

I don’t agree with your idea that scarlet’s workshop ect arnt really needed in season 2.
Season one is not a self contained story, it leads on to season 2 and i imagine will continue to be weaved through it.
Remember we still dont know alot about scarlet(she had no confidaunt other than the journals we read)
all her inventions and all her work done in season 1 still exists in season 2. To me it only makes sense that we would want to find her lab/workshop.

though i will say this, it did feel kinda shoehorned in there in terms of the narrative
If i was to have written it (which im not and this is only opinion) we would have been drawn to prosperity by rumors or something that they had seen a sylvari matching scarlet’s description in the area(because we already knew there was a dragon called mordrimoth that had awakened and needed a way to stop it). From there we speak to locals that mention she left a while ago and her house was there, then we explore the house/workshop thing.
then we hear the zepherites crash and go check on them and continue from there

sorry tangent
anyway
TL;DR
scarlet’s workshop is needed but should have been introduced/incorporated better

So i finally made my character look how i want him to… now what?
i dont really like pvp that much so what can i do?

Electro.4173:

I’ve always got plenty of stuff to do when LW isn’t running. Map completions, a few achievements here and there, jumping puzzles for fun, various small farming things for a bit of money, whatever. I actually enjoy having downtime to just do what I want and not feel pressured to jump on the next LS train.

My current goal right now is to unlock all my Grandmaster traits for all my characters. Which, yes, I still haven’t done on most of my characters even though they were added last feature patch. Mostly because I never plan on using half of them anyway, but I figure I’d like to unlock them anyway just in case (and for completion’ sake).

While also keeping an eye on LFG for high-tier Dry Tops, because I still have about 3 Ambrite weapons I want to craft, have 2 of the fossils already, mostly need geodes to get the weapon recipes.

see i dunno to me that sounds like bits and peices

“Mostly because I never plan on using half of them anyway” -this just makes it seem like your playing for the sake of it now (not saying you do)

to me a game gets you intrigued, it has to have a hook.

guild wars 2 has a hook every 2 weeks for 5 patches then 2 month break of nothing.
i dunno i just feel like more could be done…
( i understand theres feature patch ect but that shouldnt need to stop living world imo)

dont get me wrong i dont mind if the staff have time off, but surely like most other companies you either all have it at once or individually when you request it.
not trying to attack the staff either.

i just wanna know what happens in this time off ( i assume you still have the same living world team structure?)
… i guess i just wanna know more and understand their development times
right now it just seems like u have alot of time off (which im sure you dont)

I think im starting to understand what they are doing.I mean i noticed it earlier bt this really just screams it.

it seems like they dont want to have more than one thing happening in the game at a time, which in my opinion is to there detriment.

i think they should have consistent holidays (regardless of what happens with LW or wvw or pvp or w/e) this would make the world feel alive i think

right now it feels like we are just playing tiny bits of periodic content.
not so much a living world

i mean i dont mind my hour of story every two weeks (id love more but happy im get this much ^^) but after that it feels kinda empty it feels like the worlds on pause again
festivals and they like would be a great way to pad us thought the waits (especially with these “breaks” that the keep springing on us)

keep the world moving- but allow us to go back (ultimately this is what I (and i think alot of others) want)

this is the thing i see after it fails to initialize

got kicked out of game after pressing that new please change to a new lees empty map button
now the launcher fails to initialize

true but in my opinion living story and lore are kinda the same
(i understand why they are separate (mechanics and stuff))

yea i love gw2 and want to play it as much as i can but there is not really much left for me to do

Erukk.1408:

Angel McCoy.1832:

Rym.1469:

McCoy’s Angles.

LOLOLOL! Veto.

Oh good, you used your veto on the decoy!

I’ll formally submit “McCoy’s Angels” now.

S/Hes right ya know

its gotta be McCoy’s Angels now

no way around it im affraid.

do we already know where the atherblades are from?

if not i have a feeling they could be /or connected to the consortium

i mean that would tie in everything together very nicely in my opinion

This isnt intended in a nasty way but uhhh
what did you do/plan to do in the 2 months we wernt getting any updates?

just curious as to why we have so many breaks.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I’m not seeing how that’s any more helpful than the current system with the personal story. Anet intends to make Season 1 repeatable content structured akin to Season 2 and the Personal Story, though when such will happen is unknown. Once they bring back Season 1 as permanent part of the story journal, the only issue there’ll be is seeing the new content in the open world before you’re level 80.

But again, this can only be solved by phasing maps, so that we don’t have a destroyed LA, Concordia, Kessex, Iron Marches when going through the personal story (though Kessex and Iron Marches’ affected areas in S1/2 is not affecting instances of the Personal Story as far as I know).

Yea they said they would try, but that still may not necessarily happen.
fingers crossed it does.

i missed the tower of nightmares stuff

It would be awesome to have more guided tours, or even just npcs to talk to in general about the lore of the area or creatures we are killing.

Glad they decided to leave the DR tours in and at least in some form in the other cities as well.

no idea why theres that big blank space btw

just for your reference this video shows how they would have looked and been obtained.

yea they couldn’t get them how they like but i think a journal tab where every time you kill a new enemy you get a new entry in your book. (as if you had written in your journal about that particular foe.

i dont believe this would be very hard to achieve… not 100%, on account of not knowing there systems but yea.
Would be great to learn more about the creatures we are committing mass genocide on.

im pretty sure they are actually coming back this year

i mean would you have rather have just gotten last years present again?
( maybe cause then the scrolls would stack lol)

Morsus.5106:

saventis.1485:

Morsus.5106:

saventis.1485:

iv never done that nor expected it
where im from were greatful to recieve things
and dont complain because its not exactly what we wanted
free gifts are free gifts take it or leave it
i mean really…
ungreatful

So if the person already has one, do you yell at them for being ungrateful when they don’t use it? It’s totally fair for people to ask for a change to an item that will go unused otherwise.

well i dont yell at anyone and no cause its toatally up to them if they want to use it.
i mean they earned it didnt they?

If they “earned” it, don’t they deserve to ask for something more? Your posts are just getting more and more confusing. Do they deserve something because they earned it, or is this a gift? The definition of a gift is as follows: “a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.” If it’s without payment, they did not earn it. It it’s earned, they paid for something and have the right to complain.

i think of it as an achivement chest of sorts
“congradulations you achieved two years on this character”
except it dosnt have achieve points
(calling it now new soul bound achievs)

Healix.5819:

I’d rather have a single account level birthday present than individual character ones, because I’d rather be free to delete an old character without the feeling of losing years worth of progress. Luckily GW2 isn’t following the GW1 route with RNG presents, so it’s not as bad.

i can see your point but what there trying to do is give youthat sort of connection with your character
thats what the whole cosmetic thing is about
they want you to think oh no i dont want to delete… Lilly(random name)
iv had her for as long as i can remember i did blah blah blah
they want you to have it feel difficult to delete a long loved character instead of monthly throw aways or w/e

Morsus.5106:

saventis.1485:

iv never done that nor expected it
where im from were greatful to recieve things
and dont complain because its not exactly what we wanted
free gifts are free gifts take it or leave it
i mean really…
ungreatful

So if the person already has one, do you yell at them for being ungrateful when they don’t use it? It’s totally fair for people to ask for a change to an item that will go unused otherwise.

well i dont yell at anyone and no cause its toatally up to them if they want to use it.
i mean they earned it didnt they?

i used it and i have 5 character slots
but i know im a rare case heh

…. they want you to spend time on your characters thats why it isnt an insta 80 scroll
i mean you can if you want but i dont really think they wamted or inteded people to want to rush right to the end of the game as fast as they can

iv never done that nor expected it
where im from were greatful to recieve things
and dont complain because its not exactly what we wanted
free gifts are free gifts take it or leave it
i mean really…
ungreatful

scrolls are account bound and yes u can eat the cake

2 years of playing the same character as apposed to playing a character for a month (it really speaks for itself)
i mean you would have put alot of time into this character and its probly at max stat already (mines not) so they want you to have something a little extra for him or her because you cant really get any higher than where your at
if u give it to everyone the point of gear kinda becomes moot in low level areas

and to be fair if it works well and looks great.
Why the hell not use it? heh

Its fine as is
The present is for your character turning 2 years old
its a gift be grateful
i have it on 1 of my 6 characters for the record
its like an achievment saying good job for sticking with this character so long.
Wait long enough and your other characters will get it as well

this is guild wars 2 it is different from guild wars
Dont delete a character for two years.
I did i have 2 that got presents and i have 5 character slots
think of this as an achievement for sticking with ur character for so long (that u can get more than once)

Arghore.8340:

@Saventis, in this case you could view it as an illusion of choice yes, but not less meaningful to the person making it! … what he would choose I do not know, I’m no vegetarian, and bacon is pretty good… but he has no choice in consuming protein and fat. Sure he could go with fish instead (still killing an animal though), but why? if he likes bacon and there is bacon flavoured tofu, why not eat that?

I don’t fully get the rest of your post tbh. I basically argued that the choice of all vegetarians to not eat meat has little to no impact on the amount of animals slaughtered for their meat, simply because that works on an economic principle. aka:

The cost to raise the amount of animals to be slaughtered < the amount of meat sold for a certain price… and that price is based upon demand.

Now sure, all the vegetarians lower the demand, but more then anything, that lowers the price, it doesn’t necessarily mean that there are less animals raised for slaughter, given that the amount of meat still sold returns more money than it cost to raise that amount of animals.

And if everybody would be a vegetarian, than less animals would be bred ! So there would be less animals around. It’s not that it results in there being more animals actually living a normal live… actually, it’s very likely we would just kill them to attain the amount of land to grow crops instead…

yea sorry went off on a bit of a tangent there lol dont worry yourself with it to much heh

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The only thing tied to human royal line being that they are to be protectors of the Bloodstones (per History of Tyria), their blood is required to unlock the Bloodstones’ full potential (per History of Tyria), a true heir of Ascalon needed to end the Foefire (per The Movement of the World), and… that’s all, really.

The only magical ties that Doric’s line is tied to is the Bloodstones, no “lie detection capabilities” amongst them.

It’s not surprising a lot of human nobles gear towards mesmerism, since it has been – since prophecies – presented as the more ‘elegant’ profession and whatnot. Throughout GW1, most nobles were either warriors, mesmers, ritualists (Cantha only) or without a profession, and most actors were warriors, mesmers, or without a profession. So that’s no surprise.

but perhaps this is still related because of the eye of janthir.
perhaps the fact there is alot more unfettered magic in the world kass has gained the same abilitys as the eye?

(though this was more used to find magic, it is a magical construct and i imagine constructs can be altered)

Rukh.9287:

I don’t think it’s that. They have certainly made it a plot point though, so it has to do with something.

I vaguely remember something about the human royal line having this power, or the rightful heir to the human kingdoms. Does anyone have any more info about that?

Queen Jennah is also a very powerful mesmer. Seems like all those human nobles are.

iv never thought of the possibility that Kasmeer has royal blood…
from a narrative perspective this could be quite awesome.
i mean what beater way to hide liniage in a time of great strife.
what if her fathers death wasnt related to gambling and instead to a minister that perhaps knew to much?

Arghore.8340:

saventis.1485:

Arghore.8340:

you reached the limit of …

And actually, whether or not you actually do have ‘any’ choice in life is a matter of philosophical debate. Sure there are a million things to eat, but you got to eat, and you will choose upon what’s available to you and what your taste buds tell you to, do you have any agency over that? The success of fast food restaurants basically shows that your the level of agency hardly has anything to do with your ‘free will’ to choose… but like I said, that’s a whole different discussion…

but by that example how would you explain a vegaterian who may love bacon but chooses not to eat it because of there love for animals?

sorry, not trying to be annoying. Just curious as to your answer.

Yup, while a strong personality and indeed in a sense taking ‘agency’ over his own actions. He will need to eat fats and protein, so his choice not to eat bacon while he loves it, will lead him to eat bacon flavoured Tofu. So yes, he has the choice over which kinds of fats and protein he takes, he doesn’t have a choice over actually eating fats and protein.

And, even though he experiences a personal satisfaction of the idea that no animal was slaughtered for his consumption. In the grand scheme of things, I am fairly sure there wasn’t some pig that didn’t get slaughtered because of it. Even if the amount of vegetarians had any impact, it would be that less pigs would be bread for slaughter… but the economic reality is that the amount of pigs bread is related to a certain amount of scarcity that warrants a price per pig that makes it profitable to raise pigs for slaughter (this may include government funding to secure a certain level of food security).

That though, doesn’t make his choice less commendable, nor does it diminish his personal experience. But in the large scheme of life, it is like taking the route through the forest or through the mountains, both end up in the same place… and if anything he accomplished a pig not being born, sure it’s different from having another bred for slaughter, big question is though, would it have? More then likely he would have made bacon a 0,000001ct more expensive if he would have eaten it, with how supply & demand goes… but again, his choice is commendable, and his experience rewarding on a personal level

Ah right

So he has the illusion of making a "better"choice. But in the end he still would choose the bacon flavor over the fish (weird topic)

in an odd way i think i understand where your coming from a bit better now.

(random tangent)But bringing that pig (another life) into being. Wouldnt that change everyone’s potential decision based on the fact that a new entity that can (supposedly) make choices that may effect future events in other peoples lives.
pig is in the middle of a highway, if the pig turns right a car would have hit it if it turned left a car would stop just in a nick of time.

it has the same initial conditions but results differ due to choice.

I believe this would be a great idea, that should enable us to focus more on the big topics at hand.

if i understand this right(and correct me if im wrong)
this sticky would have an up to date list of the questions you guys want answered (by us) in order to give you more defined and relevant feedback?

however i think this may cause the forums to be littered with many of the same topic.
how would you suggest we get around flooding the forums with unnecessary multiples of the same thread?(sorry i dont have any solutions of my own)

Arghore.8340:

you reached the limit of …

And actually, whether or not you actually do have ‘any’ choice in life is a matter of philosophical debate. Sure there are a million things to eat, but you got to eat, and you will choose upon what’s available to you and what your taste buds tell you to, do you have any agency over that? The success of fast food restaurants basically shows that your the level of agency hardly has anything to do with your ‘free will’ to choose… but like I said, that’s a whole different discussion…

but by that example how would you explain a vegaterian who may love bacon but chooses not to eat it because of there love for animals?

sorry, not trying to be annoying. Just curious as to your answer.

okay ima take a break before the next questions lol that was a long one

Q1: Yes you are correct magic did exist in the world before the bloodstone and the arival of the gods.

So in order to tell you how this all happened we have to go back to the last raising of the elder dragons.

About 10,000 years ago while the elder dragons still slept they seeped magic into the world(the magic they had devoured from there last awakening) however this wasnt like the magic we know today on tyria. It was unrestrained magic and very powerful
and this was used by the great races of there time.
The dwarves, forgotten, jotun, mursaat, and seers.

And everything was fine until the fire nation attacked until the Elder dragons arose to devour the magic of the world once more and ultimately cause untold destruction across the lands of Tyria.

In order to combat the dragons the dwarves, forgotten, jotun, mursaat, and seers all worked together to find a solution.

Their solution? This was devised by the Seers. They intended to create a great seal that all the races of tyria would poor their magic into effectively cutting it off from the elder dragons. So even if they couldnt beat the elder dragons, at least this magic would remain safely locked away in this great seal until a time where the elder dragons where no longer a threat (either destroyed or returned to sleep)

Now this seal was called the Bloodstone.

However the plan didnt fully work out. One of the 5 races, the Mursaat, refused to add their magic to the seal.
Instead, using what magic they had, they slipped into whats described as a half world, out of phase with Tyria. Leaving the other races to fend for themselves.

Now fast forward a few thousand years.
The elder dragons have returned to sleep (dont know why yet)
The four remaining races are greatly weakened,
And Tyria is looking pretty destroyed.

This is when the gods come along and decide to start re shaping tyria while also bring new races to it.

While this is happening they build the great city of Orr and hide all evidence of the last raising of the elder dragons beneath it in great vaults (including the bloodstone)

Now at the time the humans call year 0 (the begining of their calender)
One of the gods named Abbadon decided he would open up this seal (the blood stone) and releasing the magic inside, and gifting it to the races of Tyria.

now the thing is, there was still magic in the world before this, as the dragons had begun seeping magic into the world again.
As well as the five weakened races that still possessed magic however very little of the power they once had remained.

Now when abbadon released the magic into the world again, (remember this was incredibly powerful magic and much stronger than what we use currently)
the new more primitive races like man, charr, ect went to war causing untold chaos across Tyria.
So the King of the humans at the time, a man named King Doric begged the gods to take back their gift.

And so the magic was once again put back inside the bloodstoone and sealed with king Dorics blood.

(now there are theories that perhaps his descendants have some sort of link or power over the bloodstone
Perhaps the Royal Family is more Powerful because of it?
However this is just speculation.)

Now when the gods resealed the bloodstone apparently they actually added more magic to it from the surrounding area (probably from a dormant zaihtan)
Then they split it into five pieces.

(another theory is there is actually six pieces ( perhaps 1 for each elder dragon or perhaps each god))

Now the blood stone from my understanding is made up of the 5 pieces each representing something different

there was one shard of the bloodstone called the key stone and this piece would be needed if you ever wanted to reassemble the bloodstone

The other four parts each represented a different school of magic.

Preservation

Denial

Destruction

and Aggression

and now the races of Tyria could only access 1 school of magic at a time.
(now this was in guild wars 1 and from the understanding the humans had of the bloodstone at the time, in guild wars 2 very few people believe in this sort of model anymore.
The elder dragons have been seeping magic into the world again (unrestricted magic) and the races have been able to develop new magics)

A good source if you like videos(has a bit more than just the answers to this question and has some speculation regarding season 2):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sxgwsq_G3g

and for those more reading inclined:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Magic

TL;DR
so long story short Humans could probably always use magic but there wasnt always enough in the world for them to use it like they currently do.

(edit: added some links)

ohhhh yay more questions
let me do some research and ill get back to you

Paradox.1380:

saventis.1485:

to much much whinning i agree with

but when you say arena net is doing " everything they can" to work on living world and such just isnt true they have a few small teams i think at max 25 people (remember reading somewhere, may be different now i dont know) out of there 400 employees

the staff to content ratio just dosnt make sense.
from what we have heard they are all split into teams to do with there content
i dont know about you but i havnt seen much from the dungeon team or even much change in the world events (which were originally supposed to change from day to day) I still have hope that theres something better because i love the universe of this game and the play style
but theres just not enough content to keep me hooked like other games

Maybe… just maybe there’s a reason for it “not making sense” They don’t have to tell YOU what they are doing. You bought and paid for the boxed game as it ships. Anything else added on is extra, and not something you can demand,

I dont think they HAVE to tell me what there doing.
i would appreciate it but no they dont.
and an MMO is different to a boxed rpg, sure u pay for the box but the idea of an MMO is based around community’s and a consumer continuing to play the game.
if the consumer stops playing the game, the developers make less money and the community’s grow smaller and the smaller the player base the more empty the game feels and for alot of people that is where the death of an mmo begins ( not saying gw2 is dying, just saying thats what happens)

and because community is such a big thing in an mmo its important for the developers to gain there trust (done for me in gw1)
however right now there is very little communication and this is effecting the the trust that we have in the developers ability to keep us “hooked” with new and interesting content.

Communication goes a long way especially in MMOs, purely for the fact that they are not just boxed games u buy and play through once.

and not once have i demanded anything btw
i have requested things sure but demanding is pointless

to much much whinning i agree with

but when you say arena net is doing " everything they can" to work on living world and such just isnt true they have a few small teams i think at max 25 people (remember reading somewhere, may be different now i dont know) out of there 400 employees

the staff to content ratio just dosnt make sense.
from what we have heard they are all split into teams to do with there content
i dont know about you but i havnt seen much from the dungeon team or even much change in the world events (which were originally supposed to change from day to day) I still have hope that theres something better because i love the universe of this game and the play style
but theres just not enough content to keep me hooked like other games

lol i got an infraction from bumping
but we still have no clarification
what a kittening joke

but when we say they a both mesmers
queens an illusion
imagine logans face when he finds out the one he loves dosnt actually exist hahahaha

well what if her facilitation with machines and such was to create an uncoruptable army?

and also your theory of only seeing her at her most scarlet may explain the holograms
recorded while shes at her scarlet peak until she wrestles control back?

thaught it was just an achieve lol thanks heh just put title on now

it says its a 10 day sale
but does that mean its on for ten days or that its a sale every day for ten days?

^ that
exactly that

the reason i think is because they are still very mysterious
and from what we know could exist in another plain of existence right now.

That and the fact we have Ascended items and agony in game (which both were heavily tied with the mursaat)

though from my understanding agony is achieved through being able to use all four disciplines of magic at once

ohhh what if the where the last “sylvari” i mean there “out of phase with tyria” thing could be them somehow entering their version of the dream (unlikely but maybe)

Horst Hortensie.5420:

Would it be a spoiler to tell what Scarlet’s wyld hunt was or is it already in game and I just missed it?

I like to think she was meant to come up with a way to destroy mordremoth
and then slowly became more and more corrupted, all the while fighting it to try complete her wyld hunt. (how far did she get? perhaps she left clues because she knew she wasnt going to make it)

perhaps we/the obsessed Taimi will discover her unfinished plans and en-devour to complete them in order to destroy mordy

Angel McCoy.1832:

saventis.1485:

thank you very much for your reply^^ makes me feel all special inside heh

I am trying to figure out Caithe’s secret, hoping perhaps she and the first borns may all share the same secret, and perhaps the ability to enter the dream went along with that (I dont expect an answer to that one just yet) as well as the meaning of the shadow of the dragon in the dream.

… (clip) really im trying to see what conections i can make to the current living world because from my view you had this planned all along

I can tell you that Caithe’s secret has nothing to do with how she entered the Dream. Beyond that, it’s all spoiler all the time, and you’d hate me if I told you!

The Shadow of the Dragon is definitely one of Mordremoth’s lieutenants. It is a plant creature and quite evil. When you see it in the Dream, however, you’re seeing some sort of magical reflection of it. You fight it there, but it’s not the actual creature in the Dream. This doesn’t mean it’s any less dangerous there.

The roots of this story were conceived while we were creating the main game, and the lore goes all the way back to Guild Wars 1. So yes, it’s safe to assume that we’ve planned it (mostly) all along.

haha, no way iv been playing since guild wars prophecies (before the expansions)
Id much rather wait till we find out in game, but in saying that i love discussing the lore in this game, its the only game that has really caught my attention in terms of narrative.

hmmmmmmm i think i may have gotten some very valuable information from that.
(if not for the ambiguous wording : P)

So the dragon we see in the dream is a reflection ( this is the word that messes me up)

and Caithe and such can only enter the dream through the pale tree

so either someone has seen the shadow of the dragon before ( perhaps Caithe’s secret)(dont tell me haha)

or mordremoth has the ability to influence the dream…

ohh or going with the pale tree is a cleansed minion of mordy perhaps was originally created by the pale tree

saventis.1485:

thank you very much for your reply^^ makes me feel all special inside heh

I am trying to figure out Caithe’s secret, hoping perhaps she and the first borns may all share the same secret, and perhaps the ability to enter the dream went along with that (I dont expect an answer to that one just yet)

as well as the meaning of the shadow of the dragon in the dream.
it looks like it emerge’s from the ground in the dream like its is growing there.
do mordremoths minions perhaps share the dream with the pale tree/silvari ? (because as you say there was already a pool of knowledge when the first born where there)

mordy wouldnt have a great understanding of the world around him when he begins to awake because its changed so much but he would have a SMALL understanding of it

( sorry if alot of this has been covered already i dont mean to make you repeat yourself)

really im trying to see what conections i can make to the current living world
because from my view you had this planned all along

to add a little to my last post perhaps this is why mordys attacks seem more… intelligent than zaihtans,
i dunno i just feel like theres more to the dream than we know
perhaps mordy is the dream, perhaps not.
what is the origin of the dream? does it come from the pale tree or is it something much greater?
i could go on and on with theories but i dont want to bore you all heh

thank you very much for your reply^^ makes me feel all special inside heh

I am trying to figure out Caithe’s secret, hoping perhaps she and the first borns may all share the same secret, and perhaps the ability to enter the dream went along with that (I dont expect an answer to that one just yet)

as well as the meaning of the shadow of the dragon in the dream.
it looks like it emerge’s from the ground in the dream like its is growing there.
do mordremoths minions perhaps share the dream with the pale tree/silvari ? (because as you say there was already a pool of knowledge when the first born where there)

mordy wouldnt have a great understanding of the world around him when he begins to awake because its changed so much but he would have a SMALL understanding of it

( sorry if alot of this has been covered already i dont mean to make you repeat yourself)

really im trying to see what conections i can make to the current living world
because from my view you had this planned all along

Angel McCoy.1832:

I love hearing your theories. I’ll just toss out a couple thoughts to foster more.

You can enter the Dream with the help of the Pale Tree, but what that means exactly is currently unclear to all but the Pale Tree herself. It’s perhaps more accurate to call it a mystical landscape, though even that doesn’t quite express the truth of it. It’s mystical and magical, beyond any previous experience of Tyrians.

And, sylvari consciousness originates there. It is the sylvari womb, in a metaphorical sense.

You’ll also note that the Pale Tree says “I believe…” in her interpretation of what you saw in your Dream. The Dream does not accurately predict the future, not even when you accept a Wyld Hunt from it. You always have free will, and no Wyld Hunt is guaranteed to succeed.

The Wyld Hunt is a quest, not a definite prediction of what will happen. In most cases, it’s a self-fulfilling prophesy at best. The Pale Tree understands this. Though, in their enthusiasm, sylvari may forget this and assume that the Wyld Hunt equates to their destiny. It’s a matter of individual perspective and of their culture. Sylvari take their Wyld Hunts very seriously, and their first one often becomes central to their sense of identity. Not all sylvari find a Wyld Hunt in their slices of the Dream.

Lastly, I’ll note that the Dream’s pool of knowledge began to form before sylvari were first awakened. If this weren’t true, then the Firstborn would have come into the world extremely innocent and vulnerable. All sylvari draw from the Dream for their knowledge of the world upon awakening, and that’s how they are able to function from the moment they open their eyes for the first time. They don’t download the entire Dream, but rather receive a portion of it, a scoop of it, a slice that makes each sylvari an individual.

It’s interesting to ponder what the Firstborns must have been like when they first awakened, relative to what new sylvari are like now. Sylvari now draw from a much broader and deeper pool of knowledge in the Dream, one would assume. But does that mean they get more knowledge, or just the same size slice of a much bigger pie?

does this mean that all the first born are very similar in terms of the way they think and act? ( because at the time they were in the dream the pool of knowledge was tiny)

Also beyond that do they all have a sort of link to each other ( in the begining we see Caith in the dream) can all first born enter the dream at will?
(maybe they have to prepare themselves first, meditate or something similar)

because if so this may go towards explaining what we see in the dream originally