Guild Wars 2

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

indeed something is wrong and that is your list XD.
Wariors can bunker too if they wanted to but they don’t feel the need to. All the other classes do. Even guardians because they have very low base hp. Stat wise the warior far out classes all the other professions in armor and hp. Why else are wariors always requested in dungeon runs?

Ranger doesn’t have protection
Elementalist doesn’t have perma protection and there’s stuff wrong with the rest of your list too. I may not have played warior much in pvp but I have played elementalists, guardians and rangers.

1st. Learn to read please…
2nd. Its not “warior” its Warrior,
3rd. this thread is about PvP.

In PvP Warrior isnt good at anything, there is always someone who can do it better.

no!

Anastasis.7258:

shimzor.6057:

Anastasis.7258:

Again, it is different when against Long Bow Warrior with/without standing on the point. (10x stronger when fighting on the point, and most people do standing on the point when fighting in Tournament.)

Your builds r great (if we remove all other professions, otherwise everyone is able to do it better).

I’m sorry to tell you, there is no other profession’s aoe damage can be compare with warrior.

I’m sorry to tell you, AOE dmg is not a tPvP role (but its good for PVE dungeon).

For any role in tPvP there is better profession to take.

Anastasis.7258:

Again, it is different when against Long Bow Warrior with/without standing on the point. (10x stronger when fighting on the point, and most people do standing on the point when fighting in Tournament.)

Your builds r great (if we remove all other professions, otherwise everyone is able to do it better).

The current state of the warrior:

• Abandoned and forgoten by A-net
• All good warrior players left for other games
• No place for us in PvP teams

And:

JonPeters.5630:

I’ll probably post this in general later as well but this was a larger balance pass and we will likely let this meta sit a bit longer than previous ones while we work towards taking time to push more less effective builds towards viable status.

Jon

So as devs said, we need to wait “a bit longer than previous ones” and thats more then 9 months.

Sad But True!

This looks like someone changed Defektive Longbow build for PVE use.

Lorelei.3918:

Kill Shot Warrior – A nightmare in WvW if he targets you. Can crit for 20K+ and can follow it up with significant dps. Excellent Mobility.

Longbow Warrior – Massive AoE output, vicious dps when built right. Good team support via shouts/banners. Excellent Mobility.

Axe warrior – A nuclear warhead that goes BOOM and people die. Excellent Mobility.

Did i get this? Rifle, LB and Axe have Excellent mobility?

OP already said PVE is good, warrior is bad in PvP.

Lorelei.3918:

Many classes are stuck with just 2 or 3 viable builds. I just listed 5 and there are many variations of each of these. I feel like your entire rant came from you trying to trot a GS warrior into pvp and getting your rear end handed to you.

You pvp long enough you will know when to dodge, and then our vigor access becomes important. You will also come to understand that immobilize = death and we are one of the best classes at escaping them. We also apply them liberally. We have access to stability, another key defensive boon. What good is protection if you spend a entire fight sitting on your butt? What good are heals if all of your team mates have died around you? Sustain shmustain, maintain initiative and control the fight and you won’t even need to heal. Most people play in a very cowardly way as if dying had any real repercussions. If you are a warrior you should be feckless, fearless, and ready to do as much damage as you can to the enemy as fast as you can to as many as you can. Do that and even if you lose the battle, the war will be won.

BTW, have you ever tryed PvP (crossed swords then click on “go tohearth of the mist”)?

RoRo.8270:

Commander doesn’t mean much in pvp usually people who have it on want attention.

I’m not gona talk about PVE/WWW its Barbie Fashion – Dress-Up Game for girls (main goal in PVE is to have a most beautiful Barbie doll).
But in tPvP commander badge has meaning for me, and it means: “this girl is lost she should go back to barbie dressing”.

Mijo.3274:

Assuming again things i never said, how can u say what my rank is? I’m actually 76% so u cant even find me in the leaderboards, there must be a strange world in ur head o_0

No i cant, i just (and only) quoted you (this is your post):

Mijo.3274:

In pvp i use elementalist (Hinoken), mesmer (Eugenio Del Male) and warrior (Wipper Dukot Quinto).
My Rank is 15.

Im not so expirienced, i played ~700 tournament games as a warrior (that is my main and my only profession).

Mijo.3274:

30 in discipline is for max dmg, i dont use leg specialist, never did, guess is personal preference.(sry for english)
Shimzor, you spending time hatin without anything costructive and as i said, i bet you never did or quitted long time ago doing tpvp with a warrior, you said u never whine, but that’s all that u’re doin

As i said, stop missleading ppl, you r rank 15, ur main is Ele, ur co-main is Mesmer, but you’re here and giving “the new Pvp Meta Build for the warrior” to us.

Mijo.3274:

the new Pvp Meta Build for the warrior

Mijo.3274:

Yeah no condition removal, GO HARD OR GO HOME!!! ^^

Mijo.3274:

If u need condition removal in solo fights, i suggest mending, Lyssa runes and sigil of purity on the axe.

Mijo.3274:

And btw, i won several 1v1 in tpvp with this and some rare 1v2 in hot join, so its not worthless, is just really hardmode.

Mijo.3274:

When it comes to tpvp, i switch 20 points from strenght to defense if i need survivabity, i think tactic is not a good tree in tpvp cause of its stupid minor traits.

Mijo.3274:

A zerk thief have less dmg output than a warrior with this build, especially against point holders like guardians and eles.

Mijo.3274:

Comparing the range of GS with daggers on a thief lol

Mijo.3274:

I never wrote that warrior is a good class, i prefer mesmer as roamer when i want to win, but 90% of the times i’ll be at my base with an ele ^^

Mijo.3274:

In pvp i use elementalist (Hinoken), mesmer (Eugenio Del Male) and warrior (Wipper Dukot Quinto).
My Rank is 15.

Mijo.3274:

From what you say a believe you are the one that never did tpvp with a warrior.

Ok.

Now, stop missleading ppl and go back to ele forum.

Mijo.3274:

Comparing the range of GS with daggers on a thief lol

GS maybe look so big for you but believe me its 130 range (same as thief with dagger), why dont you just read skill tooltips and try to learn something about profession?? BTW about that “great aoe” 100b hits up to 3 targets in front of the warrior.

Mijo.3274:

and dont even know that tpvp mean tournament pvp

I know what tpvp stands for, but im sure you dont have 5 man team (every good team would kick you at same time when they see warrior).
Everything i wrote so far stands for competitive games (and there is no place for warrior atm), im not gona argue about low ranked games, random teams or noob join.

Mijo.3274:

I know that warrior is underpower probably better than you considering i still play the class instead of whine in the forum, the build i posted is just the best full dps build for group roaming.

I never whine, i just dont like when noobs missleading ppl. I dont know how can you defend your rly bad build when you dont know basics (weapon range, number of targets hit, etc).

Mijo.3274:

the build i posted is just the best full dps build for group roaming.

“best full dps”

Yea right, your build is best for target dummy i guess.

Mijo.3274:

Sorry, i didnt told you that i’m actually using this build from the 30 April patch and already did a lot of tournaments, so i know what i say.

You can play HotJoin or solo even without traits or gear, who care. But you cant get in a good team with warrior. There is general consensus on this forum about warriors (even dev’s, ele’s and mesmer’s know that warrior sucks).

Mijo.3274:

A zerk thief have less dmg output than a warrior with this build, especially against point holders like guardians and eles, not to mantion that almost every GS attack we do is a small AoE.

• Thief can survive, Warrior can’t,
• Thief can decide when to disengage + (heals and condi removal in stealth),
• Thief can stomp or ress other ppl,

• Someone should tell you that every single Melee weapon used by any profession have small AoE.

Mijo.3274:

NOTE: it looks like you guys in the warrior forum wanna read only topics about how warrior suck, i really cant understand that, maybe only the noob whiners stay here and i’m in the wrong place XD

Yes only noobs left… And incompetent ppl who try to misslead other players. As you can see one ppl in this thread thinks that Warrior is better then Thief and Mesmer, he also dont know that all melee weapons do aoe dmg, but he is ready to teach others.

Valkyriez.6578:

Balance is fine. More practice is needed.

I guess that’s why Mist is empty, and 80% PvP-ers quit this game.

Varonth.5830:

PvP = Player vs. Player

Can you attack other players in WvW?
PvP is when the answer to the question ‘Can you attack other players?’ is yes. That is the definition of PvP.

The definition isn’t like it isn’t PvP once you can also attack NPC, because in that case, Kyhlo, Capricorn, Niflhel and Foefire wouldn’t be PvP maps either.

“PvP can be broadly used to describe any game, or aspect of a game, where players compete against each other.”

Its not about attacking, it’s who play against you. Can you attack other player in: Racing games or Football games? Or you gona tell me that Winning Eleven or some Racing Multiplayer is a PvE game??

WvW is PVE endgame, you need PVE gear for it, you need lvl, you need gold.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

atheria.2837:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Common Misconception: Ranger F# skills
You can still use them when downed even though they are not in the GUI. So yes, you can interrupt with your #2 skill and then wolf fear and then command the wolf to knock down your opponent then switch pets to something else and so on and so forth. (OP imo)

As a Ranger I am downed by some players in one to two shots – I don’t find the downed abilities OP at all.

haha true true.

Why dont you use traits, gear and weapon??

Tip for you:
Ranger is OP and unkillable atm. Dont go PvP without Gear, Traits and Weapons.

Sad Warrior (tPvP) – most wanted profession in enemy team.

Daecollo.9578:

Its not effective and too situational, some enemies have stability or can stunlock multiple times or teleport out, infact most enemies you will be fighting do this.

This^^

But, many ppl here talk about Zergy Noob Join (place where you can farm glory without skill, gear or even without brain).

Homonavn.6348:

shimzor.6057:

PvP build with PVE gear? How can you go to mist in PVE gear?

Facepalm

PvP means Player versus Player. WvW is also PvP. You think about sPvP, but since hes talking about PvE gear im assuming his talking about WvW. He also stated “WvW roaming” so…

If we compete who has a more beautiful armor in PVE its also PVP since we compete with other players???

No! WvW is another form of PVE.

Homonavn.6348:

Remember, sPvP isnt the only PvP in game

Sad, but it is the only PvP in this game. I would like to see more PVP game modes.

uberkingkong.8041:

All engies F1-F4 skills are interrupted, if not by stun then by daze because I see it happen.

I don’t think Mesmer skills are interruptable, and they shouldn’t be because just because your dazed doesn’t mean your clones are dazed with you.

“Engi skills are interruptable. The F1 skill “Bandage-self” is essentially a heal skill which can be interrupted, the rest are instant-cast, thus removing the possibility of being interrupted in the first place. (assuming that you need a cast-time to interrupt)”

PvP build with PVE gear? How can you go to mist in PVE gear?

Homonavn.6348:

Warrior is one of the strongest classes when up. Rangers arent. So therefor its logical that rangers are better in downed state then a warrior is

Warriors strongest?? Have you plajed sPvP? This thread is about sPvP and FYI warrior is bottom tier ranger is top tier in spvp.

Nuka Cola.8520:

Well if there’s any kind of indications such as spectating/progression i don’t see any problem with pve items in spvp. If you want to brag about your rank 50 armors play in a server that doesn’t allow pve items, that simple.

This is PVP game, if you wish to pwn ppl without max lvl gear you can always go back to WoW.

Farry.8259:

1. A friend of mine (who is one of the? few) played like 3000 hours PvP (im not even joking). And now what? I cant even inspect him to see what he was achieved.
2. GW2’s pvp has no progression at all… you play 1 match and your friend plays 1000 matches. What is the difference now between you and your friend? He has now some other animal rank.. Woah great! And you cant even inspect him to see his progression… if there was any…
3. Oh and really REMOVE THE DOWNSTATE FROM sPVP! This has to happen for sure!

Go back to WoW, why did you bother to install GW2 at first place??? This skill based game, there is no pay to win (you dont need to pay at all you dont need money and you dont need to grind gear). Ppl here play for fun, we love PvP we dont play just for gear.

Farry.8259:

I stopped playing GW2 becuase of the lack of these things. People who are still playing GW2 come from GW1, they have never experienced a good and polished e-sports game. I dont want to insult anyone, I think its true.

And this is joke for sure?? GW1 and GW2 players never experienced a good and polished e-sports game, but you (a wow player) gona teach us about competitive e-sports…..

ROFL

Atherakhia.4086:

Nah, this is the main defense of thieves and mesmers. It should require the enemy to fire off a few brain cells in order to resume the fight.

Why then Thief dont need to fire some braincells? Brain cells using should be same at both sides.

@Yusei
Dont listen lies.

Here is best warrior build its imba for sPvP,its good its viable.

EvilSardine.9635:

apt.9184:

Guys try stun build I am not going to tell u guys the build cause I don’t want everyone running it but its really nice spec. I can beat top eles and guards with it and if I can pull of stuns right I can beat mesmers before they even do kitten. But it takes a lot of practice. I have been playing it for 2 months or so and still have not mastered but once I do this kitten people. Necros are only pain in kitten because they can corrupt boon cause I run all lysaa. But still I make sure to run signet of stamina just for that.

lol. Every serious PvPer runs stability. Stuns would only work against bad players.

Even vithout stability, there is no chance to land long and slow mace swing (ultra long “telegraphed” bad animation) stun even on average player.

Kharr.5746:

How about you try it in a real scenario? You had 18 stacks vulnerability + full adrenaline bar + berserker armor + scholar runes + might stacking using a full glass build against a non-moving target with 1800 armor.

Honestly, that damage is terrible for such a scenario when thieves can open with a 14k backstab from stealth. Your real eviscerates wouldn’t break 8k in combat against glass cannons, and probably 4-5k against bunkers.

This.

Yet another thing, there is no chance to land eviscerate on moving target (no need to dodge just change direction and eviscerate miss).

AlexRD.7914:

and the warrior is useless anyway so, yeah.

But, warriors have sturdy body!

*and they r balanced around COF P1.

this is how the warrior should look like

and this is warrior from GW2 sPvP (current state)

Yiyojin.3241:

Outrageous privacy violation.

Dont play naked!!!

Mijo.3274:

Shimzor i was NOT attacking you, i asked how do u remove condition, and btw, did u watched daecollo and nahan posts? They really spend all day trollin about how warrior suck.
I did not said Defektive suck at all, he’s probably the best warrior out there and if u reread my comment you’ll find no hate in that.
I really wanna know, how do u remove condition without mending?
And for the stunbreak, it’s true i dont use them, but even Defektive dont use them right?

I also spend my free time “trollin” about how warrior suck, but thats truth and we cant do anything about (i can only support Daecollo). We can only troll and hope that devs can give us some love in new patch (but soon not in another 6 months).

U can find Balanced stance in both Longbow and there is signet of stamina in hammer build (endurance regen pasive + cure all condi active). Other then that mending is awful (cure 2 random condi with 25 sec cd), with Healing Surge you can heal alot more (if full adrenaline bar) and/or recharge adrenaline when you need it.

Kurow.6973:

Also, sitting in stealth does nothing for you.

Nohing except healing and condi removal. Devs can give that “nothing” to warrior

Kurow.6973:

However, while you sit in stealth, you can get bombarded by AoEs and attacks.

You can see aoe on ground, but they cant see you.

Kurow.6973:

Currently, thieves are one of the worst classes in this game pvp-wise.

There is also a profession called “warrior” but you cant see them in competitive games.

Mijo.3274:

shimzor.6057:

Mijo.3274:

shimzor.6057:

Mijo.3274:

Nahan.5043:

This build iz no special its the normal useless warrior build…
Stop trollin around – warrior is still useless in pvp and thr buffs we get were useless to, so stop playing and defending your favourite class. Face the reality.. Warriors are just good in pve. A-net cant balance kitten deal with it.

this is kind of guy that i cant understand, spending all his day hatin and whinin on the forum without anything constructive, GTFO pls

Please correct typos there is a “PvP” in thread title, but this build is pure PVE build and its bad build.
Regardless of the build purpose change mending for healing surge its alot better in both pve and PVP (more healing + full adrenalin recharge on demand).
Also you cant play warrior in tPvP without balanced stance.

1) bull charge->frenzy->100b is useless in PVE, this is a PVP build of course and works very good, try it and then reply to me
2) Mending have a lower recharge and cure 2 conditions, i dont know if you ever used warrior in pvp but if you did you know conditions are a great problem for our class, imo mending is a must have in pvp
about balanced stance, i use it instead of fear me a lot of times, i just prefer fear because it have a better “support” factor due to being an AOE and it’s usefull for stomping and ressing
btw, if you say it’s a bad build, post yours, i’m curious, maybe i can change mine

1) was playstyle back in days when haste was 200% (ur build is fake troll attempt without stunbreaker)
2) played 636 tournament games as warrior so far.
3) There is no good build for warrior atm (but i can recommend you https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Defektive-s-tPvP-Longbow-GS-Warrior-Build/first or https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Defektive-s-PvP-Hammer-Build-SkillCap-Edition-1)

Btw, yesterday i defeated a duo thief + necro with this build, both rank 20+ an full life, so i now what i say and this is not a “fake troll” lol, i wanna ask you: how do u remove conditions?

Let me understand, all posts in your thread tells you that ur build is bad and noone support you + you dont have stunbreaker, but you are awesome player and you have good condi removal (judging by ur story) .

On the other hand, you wanna tell me that Defektive build is bad (despite almost hundred supporters in his thread) because he dont have condi removal tool.

Is that what you want to prove with that story “yesterday i defeated a duo thief + necro with this build, both rank 20+ an full life”.

Mijo.3274:

shimzor.6057:

Mijo.3274:

Nahan.5043:

This build iz no special its the normal useless warrior build…
Stop trollin around – warrior is still useless in pvp and thr buffs we get were useless to, so stop playing and defending your favourite class. Face the reality.. Warriors are just good in pve. A-net cant balance kitten deal with it.

this is kind of guy that i cant understand, spending all his day hatin and whinin on the forum without anything constructive, GTFO pls

Please correct typos there is a “PvP” in thread title, but this build is pure PVE build and its bad build.
Regardless of the build purpose change mending for healing surge its alot better in both pve and PVP (more healing + full adrenalin recharge on demand).
Also you cant play warrior in tPvP without balanced stance.

1) bull charge->frenzy->100b is useless in PVE, this is a PVP build of course and works very good, try it and then reply to me
2) Mending have a lower recharge and cure 2 conditions, i dont know if you ever used warrior in pvp but if you did you know conditions are a great problem for our class, imo mending is a must have in pvp
about balanced stance, i use it instead of fear me a lot of times, i just prefer fear because it have a better “support” factor due to being an AOE and it’s usefull for stomping and ressing
btw, if you say it’s a bad build, post yours, i’m curious, maybe i can change mine

1) was playstyle back in days when haste was 200% (ur build is fake troll attempt without stunbreaker)
2) played 636 tournament games as warrior so far.
3) There is no good build for warrior atm (but i can recommend you https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Defektive-s-tPvP-Longbow-GS-Warrior-Build/first or https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Defektive-s-PvP-Hammer-Build-SkillCap-Edition-1)

Demosthene.2195:

shimzor.6057:

Demosthene.2195:

peter.9024:

Cmon Daecollo, we really wanna try to keep this section somewhat productive..

Being pigeon-holed into Leg Specialist, Signet Mastery, Fast Hands and Mobile Strikes in nearly every decent build is hardly productive towards build diversity. No matter how ridiculous OP’s suggestion is, it seeks to solve the exact same problem.

In another words …

Far too many traits are necessary or semi-necessary to even run a build, especially in tPvP. PvE is more forgiving. It’s not a problem isolated to Warrior profession only (Elementalist chief example of this).

I dont get you guys, why you wana make warrior viable in tPvP? Warrior sucks *he is big bad and ugly) and should stay banned from competitive teams (or even removed from game).

That’s a loser mentality. My guild has beaten quite a few teams just yesterday running anywhere 3 to 4 Warriors. We will continue to make teams where members choose the profession they are best at, and builds which fit the overall strategy and their particular talent. Balance patches can sort the rest out, but honestly, GW2 Warrior is in far better place than GW1 Dervish before flash enchantments update.

I could run any other profession starting with Mesmer and Guardian, but I don’t dig these professions, don’t “feel” them and won’t play at their maximum potential – all the while they could get nerfed to the ground with coming patches, leaving me completely dry. Meta is temporary, skill is permanent. At this point you might as well suggest that Warrior PLAYERS leave the game. Some have left, yes.

PS. What’s the point in competing for top 1000 in a dysfunctional rating? If they split premade from solo, and structure premade ladder as per GUILD team rather than sum of individual player scores, we MIGHT get a worthwhile ladder, where rating matters. Currently, it does not. You play to get better, profession of your choice.

You completely missed the point. My guild tryed 5 warrior team and they won 3 games. But keyword here is competitive games, i dont care about ladder i wanna be viable. At competitive lvl nobody wants warrior in team (since that is a handicap). If you cant understand my point find a good team and join as warrior (and you gona be forced to change profession or kicked out).

@That’s a loser mentality.

Why? Just because warriors want to be equal to other professions (or atleast not that UP as warriors r now)?

Demosthene.2195:

peter.9024:

Cmon Daecollo, we really wanna try to keep this section somewhat productive..

Being pigeon-holed into Leg Specialist, Signet Mastery, Fast Hands and Mobile Strikes in nearly every decent build is hardly productive towards build diversity. No matter how ridiculous OP’s suggestion is, it seeks to solve the exact same problem.

In another words …

Far too many traits are necessary or semi-necessary to even run a build, especially in tPvP. PvE is more forgiving. It’s not a problem isolated to Warrior profession only (Elementalist chief example of this).

I dont get you guys, why you wana make warrior viable in tPvP? Warrior sucks *he is big bad and ugly) and should stay banned from competitive teams (or even removed from game).

Archaon.6245:

phantasms are a standalone npc with their own hp and stats and they’re not clones…so i should be able to use them with F skills too since mesmers rely upon clones/phantasms as much as rangers on pets imo, but Anet doesn’t think so…the only class with this broken mechanic is ranger, and there’s still no reasonable explanation to it…

What about minion necro?

Mijo.3274:

Nahan.5043:

This build iz no special its the normal useless warrior build…
Stop trollin around – warrior is still useless in pvp and thr buffs we get were useless to, so stop playing and defending your favourite class. Face the reality.. Warriors are just good in pve. A-net cant balance kitten deal with it.

this is kind of guy that i cant understand, spending all his day hatin and whinin on the forum without anything constructive, GTFO pls

Please correct typos there is a “PvP” in thread title, but this build is pure PVE build and its bad build.
Regardless of the build purpose change mending for healing surge its alot better in both pve and PVP (more healing + full adrenalin recharge on demand).
Also you cant play warrior in tPvP without balanced stance.

JonPeters.5630:

I’ll probably post this in general later as well but this was a larger balance pass and we will likely let this meta sit a bit longer than previous ones while we work towards taking time to push more less effective builds towards viable status.

Jon

Sorry Jon, my english is not the best, does this mean that we need to wait another 3-4 months for another balance patch.

Another thing bothers me. Is there a plan from dev’s to make warrior profession viable in competitive games its kinda boring to be banned from tPvP, because currently nobody wants warrior in team (i dont blame them, who needs useless profession, its pure handicap).

Luthan.5236:

sPvP needs to be free or very cheap and the money needs to come from advertising and stuff and getting more attention to the game(and maybe then players that want to try PvE part and buy style items from the gem store).

Of course premades won’t have that problem. But premades are only a small part of the playerbase.

Or are the millions of players in other games like LoL all playing as premade teams? I’m sure most is random.

This ^^^

1. Solo Que
2. Balance
3. Allow warriors to play competitive tPvP (i think we need to nerf other professions not to buff warrior in order to slow down game).
4. F2P HOTM

Harrier.9380:

shimzor.6057:

“Heal remove Conditions” – Lies again, heal remove only 1 condition (25 sec CD) and only if you trait for it.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mending

Just sayin’

Wait this is sPvP forum?? Someone use mending in spvp?

Ant.3415:

Your nerfs to the healing of elementalist was too dramatic, considering so many other classes were buffed. Please consider tweaking the healing back up, it’s imbalanced that thieves have more mobility and burst and stealth in a single build, considering you’ve significantly hurt ele mobility & healing.

Overnerfed? How?

6+ months on top of the food chain in sPvP….

After patch still on top… How is that overnerfed? Have you tried warrior, or if its to hard to play overnerfed warrior did you try to play any other “non god mode” profession???

Zenith.7301:

Daecollo.9578:

Warriors are fine: links a video from beta

Guess what, grenades at me and in 7 seconds my warrior was ALSO downed.

At least 17k hp, endure pain, heal removes conditions. You last more than the pet stop trolling.

Another “competent guy”.

“Heal remove Conditions” – Lies again, heal remove only 1 condition (25 sec CD) and only if you trait for it.

RamataKahn.4283:

Daecollo.9578:

Why is ranger’s pet better then the Warrior?

Pros:
- More health.
- Ignores most pathing.
- Double the armor (due to perma-protection.)
- Better boons/buffs. (perma regeneration!)
- More sustain. (more HPS, better buffs.)
- Better temporary abilities. (better invulnerabilities.)
- Easier to use not so animated knockdowns. (self-explanatory.)
- Better condition removal. (All you need to do is switch me out to clear all conditions! Not only that my master can cure them off me!)

Cons:
- Less damage.
- Can’t be controlled by a player.

I’ll kill any ranger’s pet easily. So no they aren’t better then us.

Can a rangers bet do this???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QD9KX0NT4o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBJ3lUCB5I0
Yeah didn’t think so.

Ahahahahaha….

“Published on Sep 27, 2012” lol this was great patch (judging by the video from saved on beta weeked, published mid 2012.)

Ty you r really competent.

waka.9826:

I’m a girl btw.

He thought IRL (not how you feel).

TheGuy.3568:

Yeah but my DD ele doesn’t use armor of earth. Or the traited one. I got out of the habit of being dependent on a kitten load of stability and rely on stun breakers and dodges. You are comparing the wrong things here.

Why no mending? Out of habit due to SoR I am used to tick healing. So my mind usually works from that perspective giving me a active heal never really works and since I am lyssa (you are gong to need to read up on this as it is clear you don’t know the details of this build) there will be times I cast it jut for the low cooldown on getting another boon. I don’t use mobile strikes because I am lyssa. I have full wipe sitting there in case I get into trouble.

My ele does have better condition removal but I am only 15 in water. My build has never had the insane removal they are no nerfing. So/shrug

In terms of DPS you have to build your might as an ele to really do any sort of damage. As warrior I don’t have to do kitten (though I do get quite a bit of might). My stats are balanced in a needle head. Remember most of my gear is zerker and I am perma fury. I don’t need to hit as hard as a full zerker. I don’t need to get all of 100b off. The way is not to just watch me one shot. Play enough classes and you’ll realize 3k attack is 3k attack you will hit hard enough to kill.

I know this is going to sound condescending and I mean it too. Too many warriors are obsessed with the big numbers they never get off and the survivability they give up for it. They feel one failed bull rush equal a loss so they lose their minds and cant run. On the other hand I Just cancel out sword immobilize switch GS for 100b and can pressure hard enough while taking much less damage this way. It allows me to do enough DPS to drop an opponent and enough cc to keep him still while still being more mobile than him when it comes to ground covering.

BTW dude this isn’t some new spec its is a pretty basic lyssa set.

I mean you can criticize my build I ma the one who runs it. Until I personally feel stressed like I can’t out run some one there is no reason for me to change it. The first time I really got beat by a warrior he was running this spec more or less.

The fact you said I have once source of stability lets me know you don’t know kitten about this build lol. IMHO you should only comment on builds you actually know.

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAha

Eles complaining @ warrior forum about sPvP.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

dejay.2598:

why does ele get RTL nerf when opportunity cost is lower? warrior & ranger now outshine our class 100% and i want to know why this biased unfair change

Let me draw out a situation for you to understand. You say, one skill of yours equivalent to 20% ok, now it would be fair if we miss one skill we wasted 5% of our skill.

1vs1 Eles using Dagger and Warrior using Snife GS.

First, War spot Eles. He use his Auto attack to get 1 hit in. Eles realize he getting hit, and he spot War near. Eles uses RtL to approach him. (5%) while War (0%). War see RtL coming and he is good, he dodge backward (0% skill wasted), Eles miss (5% wasted and put on 40s CD). Since War is so far away, Eles can not use Lightning Lash to attack. So Eles change to Fire (RtL wasted and on 40s CD, 5%, and put Air Attunement on 10s CD). Meanwhile War still get some free shot at Eles ( 0% wasted). Eles use Burning Foot to approach again (10% wasted, RtL and Burning Foot). War is good that he predict the skill coming, he dodge backward (0% wasted and 2 dodge being used). Eles still can not hit the War due to the range of Claw was too short. More Free shot for War. So far Eles has used 10% of his total skill (RtL and Burning Foot), put Air on 10s CD while dealing no kitteno War. War used 0% of his skill in total and 2 dodge and some free hit on Eles.

Then Eles switch to Earth (put Fire on 10s CD and Air right now say, 5s CD still), using Magnetic Grasp with the pray that please hit him (15% skill wasted and still no dam). War getting hit and being immobolize (0% skill Wasted, while waiting for endurance to refill). Eles approach with Magnetic Grasp and hit War with dams. (15% of total skill being used, Fire and Air put on 10s CD and the result is tinny bit Dam from Magenic Grasp). Eles proceed with Ring of Earth and War get hit and apply Bleeding, then Earth Quake to KD War and Cast CE like normal (in total of 30% skill). War oh no, I am being KD, and his endurance has been refill for at least another dodge. He dodge the CE at the very last second (2.5s when Eles start to cast) cause CE to miss. Eles best burst skill has been missed just like that.

OK War decided to still keep distance with Eles because he know Eles has no more Mobility skill (RtL is on 40s CD, Eles can not switch to Fire due to Fire still in CD), so he start with Cripple Shot. Eles being cripped and start slowing down. Now Eles has two choice, either use Cantrip to clear condition or Tune to Water to clear condition. Eles decide to go to Water (Put Earth on CD while Air is off CD). Then Eles go to Air but because RtL is still on CD and with Switfness from Arcane, he is barely able to catch up to War and War decide to change to GS and use Rush and Whirlwind Blade to keep a distance. Then he switch back to Snifle and keep getting free shot at Eles, not to mention all other skill with Snifle and Aimshot. Eles approach too close, ok here go Snifle 5 to knock Eles back and hey Cripple him, and keep getting free shot hit.

In short, that is what happened. Please tell me if anything in this sencario that I overlooking and that you can not pull off in real fight?So how many skill Eles has to be wasted to be able to hit War just once and not even stratching his armor a bit? (15%) + Free shot from War compare to your 20% skill wasted, I would take over 20% skill wasted + Free shot hit anytime.

Conjure GS, I believe that is what you are talking about. It take 2s to Cast and can not cast while Moving. The only reason Eles pull of the GS like you said is to run away which means Eles already out of option and that is the last resort. But being stay still while low health, any class can finish Eles in just 2s and there you go, Eles never get a chance to get away.

ahahahahahhahahahahahahahhaha

RLY

Opc.4718:

shimzor.6057:

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

Ok, you people are just plain dense….

What part of THEY AREN’T HARD, BUT HARD>>>ER<<< THAN MOST PLAYERS can no one get through their thick skulls? Then again, judging by the “They r realy easy to kill” and " i didnt met pvp player" I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised by the actual question being ignored…

Its you who ignoring answer.

Just Learn to Play (until you can kill them easy)!

So we’re getting into a debate now about the relativity of comparative adjectives…

In this case, harder doesn’t mean “not easy”, it means “not as easy”. I can see what OP is getting at, the health pool doesn’t feel the same as what you would face against a real opponent. Lets not get off topic here.

“The NPCs feel harder than near any player of the same profession most of the time…”

“Harder then most players” all in caps not hard to read.

Where you find those “players”???

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

Ok, you people are just plain dense….

What part of THEY AREN’T HARD, BUT HARD>>>ER<<< THAN MOST PLAYERS can no one get through their thick skulls? Then again, judging by the “They r realy easy to kill” and " i didnt met pvp player" I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised by the actual question being ignored…

Its you who ignoring answer.

Just Learn to Play (until you can kill them easy)!

easiest thing to kill in PVP:

1. training dummy
2. AFK player
3. total noob player
4. training NPC
5. Noob player

PhelanDisturbed.1650:

Can ANYONE in this forum say anything other than L2P?
http://i.imgur.com/hzSrHgP.jpg There. I L2P. That doesn’t make the NPCs any easier. I didn’t say they were actually HARD, but they are hardER than most players I’ve come across.

Your 2nd place in NoobJoin is means something? It mreans, you taged good amount of enemies. Noobjoin is noobjoin noone there rly knows how to play, its place to test builds or for PVE players to farm glory, i know that NPC’s are harder to kill then ppl in HotJoin, there is no skill in hotjoin (just mindless zerg) .

If you cant kill NPC (bot without brain) how can you kill player with brain who know how to play??? Yes you can kill other noob in Hotjoin but that menas nothing.

Just learn to play. When you kill NPC you can try with real ppl.

P.S. So far, i didnt met pvp player who can get killed by NPC.