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a summarizing thread for the whole ranger forum

i am surprised. i thought the most Suggestions would be absolutely opbut.. i like ur thinking. most of them are really good and creative.

ur idea to honed axes could need a ICD
i am critical to changes regarding EB and traps
shout master would be the 6th of soldier rune. idk if this is okay and when with 10p in bm is it maybe too easy to get
i really like stability training. is like the ele master trait solid rock.

personally i dont like the dev idea regarding greatsword. gs is defensive and we would loose sustain without gs evade on AA.
maul dont need the bleed. its strong enough.
good change for stalkers strike
idk why the elite spirit nerf seems a bit too much.

fat plus for drake ideas. really good suggestion. make them really usable in wvw
the attacks of arctodus and black bear seem a bit to strong for me.
the easiest way to make them more attractive when the bonus item is in f2 place like thiefes have. maybe with an option to give the effect an allie too. but donk know how

the rest of ur ideas are good or i have no opinion yet

bran read the announced changes for the next balance update
they will nerf the rest of the vigor of other classes

Nike.2631:

snow.8097:

They nerfed our shortbow range…a shortbow that shoots so wide as a longbow is not logical. sure it sucks when we had more range at release but shortbow is q good weapon.

Momentary Aside: Historically, some of the longest ranged bows in the real world have very short arms – the Mongolian cavalry bow. Likewise crossbows have longer ranges than something huge like a dai-kyu.

Materials used in construction has a LOT more to do with range than the length of the bowstring .

Now back to our fantasy world.

oh really? cool didnt know that
i just thought of the longbows in old england. they were feared.
but in general i think longbows have more range then shortbows
shortbows were really useful for fights on a horse and so very mobile.
while the longbow are very static with long range but hard with hard hitting arrows.
and i think we can see this on ranger

while i wrote my last post i got this idea

pvp

stronger attacks after a not hitting attack

get a slight amount of dmg back when our pet doesnt hitted our target

like here many player metioned our pets have sometimes problems hitting moving targets.
so we have less dmg outpet and cant gett the 100% of dmg a lot ranger talking about.
my idea would be that the pet gets some percent more dmg after every attack they couldnt hit.
for example: our wolf starts autoattacking our foe. the first dont hit and the pet gets a slight dmg buff ( like some stacks of the one bm trait, bloodlust, might, some percent more dmg). that stacks for every attack fail and when they hit one attack the dmg is way more harder but after that hit the buff is gone.

risks…coukd br a lot its just a idea that comes to my mind
not balanced buffs could make pets as strong like in bm times.
hard burst combos
maybe intended attack failings via our control abilities could make one attack of our pets incredible strong hitting attacks
problems with removing/gaining the buff of pets
definition when it is a failing (foe is just moving out of range or dodges)

urdriel.8496:

runeblade.7514:

Allie Murdock.8152:

The Ranger isn’t expected to do burst damage. By sustained, we mean that the Ranger should excel at surviving (resilient) through burst while still doing enough damage over time to take the opponent down.

If we have to trade burst damage for surviving, can we at least get resilient without the need to trait to be tanky? Every other class can do that but better.

Anet nerfed ranger vigor, nerfed pets, nerfed shortbow, but we must excel at surviving……..

they nerfed our vigor…and the vigor of all other classes. so no reason to qq about it.
they nerfed our shortbow range…a shortbow that shoots so wide as a longbow is not logical. sure it sucks when we had more range at release but shortbow is q good weapon.
they nerfed our pets because they did hard crit dmg (stalker and birds) while we were settler tanks. that was unbalanced and needed to be changed. bm was kittening easy mode. yes oh yes imagine beastmaster… were op and the dmg the pet does were strong..we were strong…with our pets…do anyone gets the irony on this old meta regarding many posts here?

i dont know how the ideas for pet health buff in wvw were discussed. how should i in over 30 pages (anywhere summarizing posts?)
but there are many problems.
wvw is not only zerging and big battles. wvw is roaming, taking camps solo, fight other roamer.
should the pet gets +50% hp in general when we enter wvw? or just in zerg fights? when its a zerg fight? over 25 allies? foes? player? in which radius the players should be counted? what when we fought a pve mob the pet got dmg and then we get in a zerg fight? do we see how our pets gets a lot of hp back? what when we fight another roamer – a 1vs1? and the foe cant beat our pets when we are downed? what when we get downed in a big battle? sometimes the groups are too busy fighting and have no time to finish us. we press lick wounds and the pet heals us easily because they have enough health to tank it away? would that buff to the pets balanced? or not? is it worth it? is more health enough? what when we get the 50% buff and the pets die still? do the pets also needs more toughness/armor?

for us this questions could be easy but for anet that changes are a lot of work and maybe all this points let them think…no…or less then 50%

i cant understand why People like to permastow the pet with no buff.
Okay i am against the idea of permastow for a dmg buff, then no one would like to use his pet because that buff would be probably too strong and most rangers will only run the “Aura” of one pet because its the strongest.
But i can understand when they dont like to fight with the pet but kitten it then let the pet on passive what is the Problem?
A permastow is a nerf for themselfes, EB cant Trigger, random benefits like a knockdown and conditions on foe are gone. Even when the pet is on passive Body blocking of projectiles are a nice benefit
I think some ranger here are overdramatic.

WvW

Ferocity on Spotter

For Group Play is spotter really important and sometimes the only way to find a Group for dungeons.
But with the coming Critical Damage Changes it would be the Chance for ranger to be more important in Group Play outside the Spirits.
I dont know how the new formula will be but what about +150 Ferocity on Spotter?

There is no risk when the balancer add a balanced amount of ferocity to spotter.
I would suggest a Maximum of 5% crit dmg?

Pet mechanic

new Little window on pet bar

When the pet will activate the F2 is not easy to say, except we are able to see permanent what the pet is doing. I think what could help is a Little window in the pet bar that Shows the next attack of the pet. In the pet menu we can see Icons for the 3 normal attacks and a 4th Icon for the F2. The Icons should Flash like our Autoattack chains. With that Little Feature we are able to say more precise when our Special attack Triggers. Not only the F2! We can see when our pet trys to trigger the knockdown or the AoE poison field and so on. Its not the full control of our pet that we want, but with that we are able to time our Actions better with our pet.
That would be a great buff IMO with just a Little UI window!

here i cant say what the risk could be, it would be interesting if its even possible to implement this

pvp

Blind on warhorn #4

the ranger have less Access to blind. Okay we have the sun Spirit and our birds, but the birds are random and the Spirit effect is just local and easy to evade.
Warhorn #4 would be good for it to apply some seconds of of blind. The Animation of the attack itself is really good for blind.

PvP

Access to torment OR confusion

improving shortbow

I think one of These conditions would be cool for the ranger.
I think the #4 shortbow could apply torment or the #5 shortbow some seconds confusion. Not both at same time.
Maybe with MoC we can get some seconds of confusion on stun or some stacks torment on predators instict, Just some ideas where we can get it

I just ask for one of them.
Its really easy for a ranger to stack bleed, poison and burn. With confusion AND torment it would be too strong, condition overload.

PvP

rework of torch #4

Making Torch more interesting for Powerbuilds

Currently the Torch is a condition based weapons. Thats okay, but i think with a Little rework a power build could use that weapon too.
My idea: make #4 a chain attack.
“Swallow the flame” – Gain X Stacks of might for some seconds/ one stack might per second
“Puke the Flame” – Apply some seconds of burn on ur foe

Maybe the combination of some stacks might with condition burn could be really strong

WvW

triggering traps

Able to get Access to the Combo field

Okay its very typical for a trap to Trigger when a foe steps into it. But i think it would be really helpful for the ranger when we can activate them by ourselfes. My idea: we placing the trap and like after activating the Spirits we see a new Icon. When we press the trap again they activate, even without a foe Walking into it.
This would be very helpful in WvW for stacking Might or frost Aura and various Combos outside the wvw

idk, maybe the Balance Team thinks it is too strong, but i think its okay.

sry Allie Chris aksed me to repost it

- The thoughts behind the Design of the ranger
– Which builds do devs Play in PvP with Ranger (and yes you Need to say that a lot of devs Play ranger, most People cant believe it)
– The minds of the Balance Team on the current Ranger. I think Chapman already did it after Eagle Eye Bug few months ago.
– Do not allow that Player compare with other classes. I know you already stated it…but some People dont want to understand that every class has its own playstyle.
– Be serious against utopic Balance suggestions. This Community is difficult because they strongly believe…the ranger is the weakest of them all.
– Its absolute needed to Show in CDI the Balance notes for ranger. When the notes are good (probably even with a super duper wombo Combo mega giga buff a lot of ranger will say…“no. too weak”) we will less see People flaming around.
– You will probably know the most suggestions in ranger Forum, something like that “Druid ranger/Staff Ranger”, “Remove pet/Stow Pet for dmg buff” and state ur thoughts…and pls dont use anets favourite sentence “Nothing is off the table”. Please please not!
– The thoughts behind the ranger weapons. I think the most ranger hate themselfes…errrr the weapons of their class… Longbow and Axe main Hand for example

Allie Murdock.8152:

Hey everyone,

If possible, please try to keep your post specific to one game mode. Also, please be sure to include the game mode at the top of your post.

Thanks!

Hey Allie i think ist very difficult to be more specific regarding to Play genre when we discuss about a Profession. The most here will talk about balancing and weapon/trait ideas.
And These ideas are for all regions of the game. So it is not useful to select if a longbow Change is in PvE or WvW.

of course it will happen that someone has balance ideas that would be probably really OP.
but i thi k it is important for anet that they read other minds of that ideas. otherwise we would had never saw the balance previews for october and december.

okay in real i think only ranked pvp players and experienced wvw commanders should have the right to discuss about balqnce suggestions instead of players who have less knowledge about balance.

when we just look to the class forum activity.
with 235 sites in ranger forum its one of the most active betweens the classes.
just necro and thief are so active too.

hundreds of ideas will come.
i think the best woukd be for ranger cdi strict themes we discuss
like
-pets (ai. attacks. use. superior pets. useless pets.)
-traits (synergy. traitlines with wrong traits. useless traits. important traits)
-weapons (viability. possible changes. synergy between weapons.)
-ranger ingame (wvw. pve. pvp. dungeons. team play.)
-other stuff

otherwise in the first two hours we will see three sites and more and we cant discuss because there are too many themes that we rangers like to discuss.

wow chris nevermind that a dev responds me on a weekend
okay i repost it on monday.

it is just that a lot rangers think anet hates rangers. Most of them just see the nerfs rangers got and not the buffs. They dont want to understand anet. U stated the pets are difficult to fix and they just keep saying “fix it NOW”. thats not fair and there is the difficulty.

but okay that doesnt belong to this thread

to ur Suggestion for the cdi
the idea is really good and fits perfect for cdi and i think for the balance forum.
but maybe it is needed to say that when someone has different ideas, that he writes different posts.

Chrissyyyyyyy
What i would like to see in Ranger CDI:

- The thoughts behind the Design of the ranger
- Which builds do devs Play in PvP with Ranger (and yes you Need to say that a lot of devs Play ranger, most People cant believe it)
- The minds of the Balance Team on the current Ranger. I think Chapman already did it after Eagle Eye Bug few months ago.
- Do not allow that Player compare with other classes. I know you already stated it…but some People dont want to understand that every class has its own playstyle.
- Be serious against utopic Balance suggestions. This Community is difficult because they strongly believe…the ranger is the weakest of them all.
- Its absolute needed to Show in CDI the Balance notes for ranger. When the notes are good (probably even with a super duper wombo Combo mega giga buff a lot of ranger will say…“no. too weak”) we will less see People flaming around.
- You will probably know the most suggestions in ranger Forum, something like that “Druid ranger/Staff Ranger”, “Remove pet/Stow Pet for dmg buff” and state ur thoughts…and pls dont use anets favourite sentence “Nothing is off the table”. Please please not!
- The thoughts behind the ranger weapons. I think the most ranger hate themselfes…errrr the weapons of their class… Longbow and Axe main Hand for example.

Chris…i think u know it, but this CDI will be difficult for ur Team.
prepare yourself bro.

yes the guard nerf is fake, but honestly i could imagine that anet would like to nerf it.
Dont Know but when they do the Little Group of shout rangers are killed IMO.

i cry for the humanity when i read such OP suggestions…

toubi.5683:

Giugo is rank 80.There is a video on youtube.

can u pls make a link to it?
when its true that someone got rank 80 anet should let the whole community know

we can apply Long immob Durations on foe too
Spiders, muddy Terrain and one of my favourite rune..Rune of the Grove. Dat random immob helped me a lot in pvp against thiefes…

Anyone noticed that it seems like getting immob debuff can Interrupt your skills? I was often get interrupted by using my heal just because a foe applyed it >.<

kitten just no
okay a slight dmg buff on axe mainhand would be okay i think, nevertheless is Axe mainhand a good choice.
Okay on lv 80 all 5 axes of splitblade are weaker then the AA, but do not Forget the bleed that makes it stronger.
And wintersbite is one of the strongest sustain skills the ranger has. We can apply 3s of chill, thats good, plus 10s weakness on 10s cd. Thats almost perma weakness when we do it right. Less dmg from foe and he cant dodge as often then without. Some People seem to underestimate that debuff. And yes we have the bear to apply weakness as AoE for 13s on 40s cd (untraited). But thats not as strong like the axe #3.
Okay warrior can apply perma weakness with mace too..but come one…its warrior he is too strong in general

no toby, izzy is not the reason for the Op´ness of warrior.
The balancing is about the two guys we can see in every Ready up stream.
And i think they like their warrior very well, as u can see in other streams ( “WARRIOR!!!”). For example the preview of the new heals.

And why should a dev, thats a normal Player too, like all skills in the game? Thats his personal opinion. A lot of rangers dont like the shouts.

the biggest facepalm was in fact that thread here

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Ranger-Builds-for-WvW/first#post3647351

prysin collected some good builds for wvw ranger. i think they will help u

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/upgrading-ascended-armor/first#post3566208

i made some weeks ago a suggestion to upgrade asc armor to change stats on it.

bye prysin
i will miss ur intelligent and true texts about the ranger. i hoped u will write in cdi as a real ranger with good knowledge.

The damage of offguards are good enough, maybe a bit too high.

I know a trait was suggested that a guard applys 1s immob on blend. I know thats not mobility, but u want mobility to chasing kiting foes and thats a good way.

“we had the Feeling that the warrior has too much skills with Long cooldown. So we decided to remove the cooldown in General from Warrior. We think he will be in a good place in pvp now.” – Greetz Anet.

xD

if thats true then :

ele will stronger then ever. they change attunements every 3s. with lets say 1s quickness they will have the most time quickness. this will lead to faster bursts.

guard: when the staff is really defensive then spirit weapon guards will be a new meta. now spirit weapon guards have less defense but with the staff it could be very strong.

ranger: stupid idea really. i hope thats fake when not anet listened to the QQ ranger community. with that elite beastmaster will be unkillable

thief: boring. good to defend a point in pvp.

war: right timed condi cleanse and the war has…okay i doesnt matter for him.

wow allie
prepare for the big Ranger-QQ-CDI
The all-you-can-flame can begin xD

guys ist about Balance, not only buffs=P

1) Warrior (too much of everything, slight corrections and i think he is balanced)
2) PU Mesmer ( defensive of enorm condi dmg and dmg of phantasms is too much)
3) Ranger ( Ranger is not as bad as everyone thinks, just some synergy between skills, effects and traits would be cool )

i would suggest wait a bit for new legendarys
collect the t6 and everything else needed but the specific gifts..just wait
maybe the new ones will be much cooler! i wait for a cool axe. even my beacon of light is cool too :p

the actual meta is berserk i think for thiefs so yes a lot of?
i not said i kill thiefes with only longbow. i said that we can with lb take a lot of health out of the thief. a weaponswitch is needed for everyone.

i have no interest anymore to teach u the truth. some people r just unteachable. i can say personally and for all normal/good rangers (u probably not urdriel, i hope someday) that rangers r not as weak as a lot of players think. ranger have so much potential but so much rangers that dont want to see it. instead of learning and playing how to be a good player, they go to this forum want to QQ about whatelse and what its really sad – they find some others who cry too. not thats everyone just a few that cry a lot of and loud.

i hope after the next big balance patch the rangers will be happy. but probably not because there is one bug fix on spirit elite and our EB. even we get thousand buffs. special people will cry “no buff will ever bbalance out the nerfs we got in the past”

the most survivability of thiefes r their stealth and their evades
but they have less toughness and vitality
when a thief get a hit he loose a good amount of points.
what if when u r the noob who cant demolish a thief with LB? nevermind?

a stealth nerf on barrage?
never heard about it
the only thing i read was 50% longer cripple duration

sure. 5s are a bit more realistic then ur exaggerated 10s.

okay urdriel no problem
then show me a random youtube video where this happens
when its everytime so that f2 triggers after 10s you dont need to search for long

i do not defend anet. some balance things are actually really worse. i think a reason coukd be because both balancer play warrior as main (just look the guys cheer when the word “warrior” falls ).
i just want to see a evidence for the 10s delay. except u say us its not true. 10s is too high i am sry its just around 5s guys.
theni stop urdriel

urdriel.8496:

snow.8097:

WvW rank 245
I know two good Ranger commanders and a lot of great Scouts using ranger

And urdriel stop act like " every F2 Needs 10s to channel"
that this is uncool everybody knows but 1) never 10s, 2) not everytime
Ist an issue but not the rule
Nevertheless yes would be cool if it gets fixed, but actually not possible. Deal with it and do the best of it

never 10s??? 10,15. and pet casting the skill when you are downed after 20 secs………
Not every time, but , too often……..

give me a Video link to Show that this happens. Show me and the devs how Long it Needs to Trigger when the pet is next to you.
Or do it Needs so Long because u let ur wolf running around 20m far away? Or u spam F2 so often that u Interrupt itself? Never used the tactic to call ur pet back and then activate F2 that the pet Triggers it faster because the next attack is already interrupted and dont Need to act it before the Special attack?

U just state Things without any evidence.
I read just read weak arguments. The only one is “Pet mechanic (30% of our dmg) is broken”. Anet said how the state is, Prysin told us what would happen if pets acts like intelligent Players.
One strong Thing that would help the ranger is my suggested Little window to Display the next pet attacks. With that help we can time our F2 and when it Needs to Long then it was our mistake because we didnt catched the right Moment.

WvW rank 245
I know two good Ranger commanders and a lot of great Scouts using ranger

And urdriel stop act like " every F2 Needs 10s to channel"
that this is uncool everybody knows but 1) never 10s, 2) not everytime
Ist an issue but not the rule
Nevertheless yes would be cool if it gets fixed, but actually not possible. Deal with it and do the best of it

Prysin…i love u :´(
U understand me

i said what the balance team eant and not what the ranger community wants urdriel.

wow a 1500 arrow is easy to evade? really? i thought in real life they follow the foe to death!
look at guard autoattack of cepter. the orbs are so slow that we can evade them in900 range.

Signets are strong what r u talking about. when ur cd is too long then use sigbet mastery for 20% less. i tould u the state but as i said some people r blinded.
it seems like that a lot of rangers want to be a victim. they see their role as a absolute underdog and shout for compassion.

we have signet of renewal why no one sees that skill? when u watch ur pet u have a full cleanse.
what this skill could need is a tooltip of range.

yeah okay more synergy would be nice thats true

the difficulty is the freedom. tough/vita/heal is too bunker. what could kill him or what should kill the user?
some stat combinations good be too strong. thats the reason why devs take so long to discuss which amuletts with stats could be cool for pvp.

long time ago where the acended weapons were announced i thought crafting new weapons would be like this xD
but think of all the work we had with naming the new combos xD around 300 possibilities

all i want and i think all what the two Balancer want are intelligent posts about ideas how to make classes more balanced or other cool ideas to make the classes more fun to play.
most suggestions i read in all forums for ranger (ofc not all!) were too strong. EB and BS at same time. Active effects of Signets for rangera without traiting. Enlargement gives u 75% more dmg.
maybe we dont get buffs because the balance team have the feeling we do not know what “balance” is?

oh and gotejjekten pls feel free to read my posts on my profil. there is anywhere my posts in “the list of buffs” next to my QQ about the sylvari cultural armor change :P

Hey my ranger friends

I just had a random idea.
What about making Torch #4 a bit cooler?
I remember an old guild mate who thought that we dont throw our torch to the foe, but spit it like a flame spitter (right Translation? xD).
I think that would be cool if we merge it with a buff.

My idea is like that
“Swallow the Flame” – Swallow the Flame and gain X stacks of might/gain one Stack might per second
and as a chain like sword #2:
“Spit the Fire” – Spit the Fire to your foe and burn him for 6s

It just Comes to my mind to make Torch more viable for Power builds.

“really? ranger is perfect as he is now?? omg……”
i never said Ranger are perfect
I am just the opinion that perma QQ about stuff will never help.
Some People are just blinded and think rangers are UP and suggest stuff to “Balance” the ranger that would make him too OP
i mean come on guys, EB on master?! that we can use Empathic Bound and Bark Skin at same time? Never in favor of Balance.

“kitten we need 30 points to be able to use active signets in rangers , all other classes can do it without traits……..”
Omg yes we Need to put 30 to use the active effects, but our active effects are much stronger then the most other Signets! See the whole Picture urdriel!
The most Signets of the other classes apply a stun or some conditions, or give allies some boons. Less Signets are comparable with a 6s invuln, 8s Stability PLUS 25% more dmg of u AND our pet, a full condi clean with that we could cure (in theory) the conditions of 10 allies and a much stronger attack.
Thats why we Need to invest a lot of more traitpoints!

“Pet AI(pathfinding, f2 delay, cant hit a mobile opponent) is stupid and Anet said they will not fix it because it is really hard to do.”
Yeah the old discussion. Everyone knows that issue, anet stated this and i can understand it. I dont like it but why the hell should we discuss this theme over and over when anet already told us the state?!
We cant Change it now, what we can do except the very helpful “fix it anet or gtfo” is to tell them what could help. I suggested a Little window that Shows the attack Icons to see the next attacks of our pet, that would help

“Our Core mechanic, our pet is broken, but you says that ranger is perfect….”
Give me one sentence where i said this

haha great idea xD
Watchwork Moa! Making Stalker to Little cats like once the Ranger in Heart of the Mists!

We will probably see never something like that. Why should anet sell things just for ranger?