Guild Wars 2

when the game first came out i’d have agreed with you but now that they have added ascended items and these new rank things they’ve gone way too hardcore.

is playing for 2 years to get your gear and 80 fractals not enough?

no change to guild missions. i guess the mods didn’t notice all the hate on the forums… maybe they are all blind. who knows.

wow i can’t believe you got a ban for that.

that’s some kittening bullkitten.

at the rate this is going it’ll be 2015 before rangers are on par with the other classes.

i don’t have time to wait anymore. i’m out.

if only pets could hit a moving target… and if only thieves couldn’t do more dps by hitting a button 2 times vs a ranger popping everything in a hail mary and hoping it works.

thief mes ele
guard warr necro
engi ranger

there.

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

I’d say the sword is fine the way it is, what it DOES need however is the ability for Dodge to take priority over #1s animation, if i’m mid animation and hit dodge, it should dodge, it shouldn’t not do anything.

you mean you don’t like that it sucks you back if you try to move away? apparently the devs think that is working as intended. they even said that somewhere on the forums but i won’t bother trying to find it.

Maugetarr.6823:

vespers.1759:

zaxon.6819:

so its 1200 a hit.. pretty sure thief shortbow is alot better then that. it seems the only benefit to being a ranger in that situation is having to push less buttons. or you can just put auto shoot on your 1 button and pooof… you are a ranger.

yes assuming ever arrow crits and the target is a glass canon. but a dodge (or even simply running normally at long range) will make most of the shots miss.

the only time you can land all 10 is vs a stunned target or someone who runs away from you in a straight line. at 1000+ range you can literally just side step the arrows.

i fail to see how being able to do 12k dmg over 10 hits compares top being able to do 7k in 1 hit and be able to do that move repeatedly as a thief can with heartseeker.

a simple stun 2, 2 combo for 14k dmg will kill most players easily.

First of all, 2 heartseekers rarely kills people, and unless they are under 50% health, they wont do nearly the 7k damage you keep saying they will. In fact, above 50% you’d be better off autoattacking. What you consider a weakness in a continuous channel I consider a strength. Blind will only last for 1 of the shots, a single block will only block for 1 shot, and it will follow a stealthed thief for almost the entire duration of stealth causing them to have to burn dodges in addition to using stealth.

Loading all the damage into 1 attack in the case of heartseeker means it can be easily negated by the aforementioned methods. In addition, rapid fire is a ranged attack while heartseeker is a melee attack. Ranged attacks will never be as powerful as melee attacks because they do not carry the risk that melee range does.

so you talk about blind and block when i mentioned neither one of those things and ignore the dodge which i did mention and which is the skill that causes the majority of rapid fire to fail.

good job. i can’t wait to see what you come up with next to defend thieves.

and add more dps. the pet is useless. it can’t even catch up to most targets even with 30% movement speed (kitten?) and dies in seconds.

rapid fire should be 5 shots instead of 10 at the same dmg and long range shot should do the 1000+ range dmg at any range (i see the idea for pve but you’ll never be 1000+ in pvp (come to think of it not often in many dungeons either) so you’re being kitten for no reason.

zaxon.6819:

so its 1200 a hit.. pretty sure thief shortbow is alot better then that. it seems the only benefit to being a ranger in that situation is having to push less buttons. or you can just put auto shoot on your 1 button and pooof… you are a ranger.

yes assuming ever arrow crits and the target is a glass canon. but a dodge (or even simply running normally at long range) will make most of the shots miss.

the only time you can land all 10 is vs a stunned target or someone who runs away from you in a straight line. at 1000+ range you can literally just side step the arrows.

i fail to see how being able to do 12k dmg over 10 hits compares top being able to do 7k in 1 hit and be able to do that move repeatedly as a thief can with heartseeker.

a simple stun 2, 2 combo for 14k dmg will kill most players easily.

i fail to see the difference between a mount that does 33% movement speed and a speed buff, except that mounts are kittening awesome.

it would also help balance the classes with virtually no swiftness and those that can keep them up 24/7.

Ruggan.4102:

vespers.1759:

Dasorine.1964:

I wouldn’t argue with vesper, he rolls a greatsword glass cannon ranger! wooo!

Funny thing is the bits of the thief that he complains about are the ones that aren’t going to get effected, its all the other thieves that will feel it because Anet doesn’t know how to fix small issues without wide nerfs

i do? no, i don’t use greatsword. i use longbow and sword/axe. i said GS 2 is our highest hitting skill (except maybe path of scars after the buff) and that it hits about 3.5k in full zerk on most enemies, compared to the 9k a thief can do. it seems rather lackluster doesn’t it? i wish i could hit greatsword 2, 3 times in a row and hit 7k with it each time like a thief can with heartseeker but that would be OP wouldn’t it? even considering we still wouldn’t have stealth.

i’ll complain until anet listens and actually tries to balance the game. if it takes 6 months then it takes 6 months (i wouldn’t be surprised if it does).

If you use Long Bow then you know rapid fire can do up to and over 12k of dmg with the press of a single key. I know, I play a ranger specd for crit/cond and my longbow does that plus some because of the cond dmg

of course, and it also does that dmg over 10 hits that may or may not crit. considering that a dodge will negate 67- of those shots, you don’t do any dmg at all.

it has the potential to be cool as long as the combat is kept to a minimum.

you can just run the dungeons in whatever you have.

Daecollo.9578:

vespers.1759:

Daecollo.9578:

Ranger is one of the most tanky classes in the game, even in full zerkers.

this is hands down the funniest thing i’ve ever read on these forums.

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mcom0zm9MMmwMMMmwMM0xx0amsqmkbM

Protection, Traps, 30% damage reduction when your dieing…

you don’t know what glass canon means do you?

i can’t say i have ever noticed this.

Dasorine.1964:

they still take damage and stealth doesnt stop that.

how do i do damage to someone who is invis other than with a lucky untargetted aoe? also what aoe do i use as a ranger? i have barrage on longbow, nothing on shortbow, nothing on sword, nothing on horn, nothing on dagger, nothing on axe, and nothing of GS. i could run traps, and hope the thief steps into one but unless specced they fall at your feet. the flame trap that is probably the best dps trap will only activate when the thief is right on top of me (unless traited but that’s even more based on luck than untraited) and the terrible burn dmg will surely pose a threat to the thief who hits me for 7k+ a hit!

then of course the thief will simply stealth again in 3 seconds! wahoo! and my pet, who will never land a hit on the thief also provides the thief with an extra target to stealth off of.

Daecollo.9578:

Ranger is one of the most tanky classes in the game, even in full zerkers.

this is hands down the funniest thing i’ve ever read on these forums.

my only problem with ascended gear is the incredible length of time required to obtain them. i don’t feel like doing 700 dailies so i can gear my alts.

i don’t think that’s fair. sure the guy that plays 20 min a night can keep up, but is that really fair? you’re punishing the people that play more to cater to the uber casuals. in the end everyone loses.

Dasorine.1964:

And thus you reveal your ignorance once again, professions have differences if you want to have one of the potentially best bursts that isn’t limited by immediate cooldowns you roll thief, if you don’t then you don’t.

Complaining that your ranger isn’t a thief and that your incapable of using it to its maximum potential at what ITS good at then its YOUR fault.

professions are different? you don’t say? different shouldn’t equal totally unbalanced. i’m not complaining that my ranger isn’t a thief (where are you getting this from?), i’m complaining that the thief can full GC and do hit 3x as hard as a ranger with a skill that can be spammed (222222) and still have stealth every few seconds.

thieves have absolutely nothing to worry about when they run GC, unlike every other class. rangers have absolutely no defense in GC and they don’t even get heavy DPS to compensate for the risks.

if you think that is fine you’re oblivious. rangers should not be forced to run bunker merely to survive a few seconds longer when thieves can parade around with heavy rewards and 0 risk.

Dasorine.1964:

I wouldn’t argue with vesper, he rolls a greatsword glass cannon ranger! wooo!

Funny thing is the bits of the thief that he complains about are the ones that aren’t going to get effected, its all the other thieves that will feel it because Anet doesn’t know how to fix small issues without wide nerfs

i do? no, i don’t use greatsword. i use longbow and sword/axe. i said GS 2 is our highest hitting skill (except maybe path of scars after the buff) and that it hits about 3.5k in full zerk on most enemies, compared to the 9k a thief can do. it seems rather lackluster doesn’t it? i wish i could hit greatsword 2, 3 times in a row and hit 7k with it each time like a thief can with heartseeker but that would be OP wouldn’t it? even considering we still wouldn’t have stealth.

i’ll complain until anet listens and actually tries to balance the game. if it takes 6 months then it takes 6 months (i wouldn’t be surprised if it does).

ensoriki.5789:

vespers.1759:

ensoriki.5789:

vespers.1759:

huehuehue cry thieves cry! hopefully there’ll be a few more nerfs coming after this.

i’d love to see the tears if thieves were rendered as trashy as rangers, necros and engis but alas i don’t think it’ll happen. i’ll just content myself with the bitter tears of reduced OPness.

You know how I know you need to play more?

nope, but i’d love to see you try to defend thieves. 10 points if it isn’t a L2P comment or a comment about how one must play a thief to know thief.

Considers rangers, and engi’s trashy. Engi’s are plenty strong in WvW and Spvp.
Ranger’s are wreckers in spvp, ow-pve, and will be improving in fractals in 9 days.
No but they’re trashy lol wot. Mind boggling the things people say.

Defend what? This changes means jack diddly and was gladly welcomed.
It’s only funny how kitten you are from your clear personal dislike for a profession that you scream for nerfs without shame only highlighting your inability to play. Or in other words, so long as your personal ego is no longer injured you wouldn’t care what happened to the state of the profession.

i don’t play spvp and nobody is bad at open world pvp. they are absolute kitten at wvwvw and dungeons (which is what i play). if you think rangers being acceptable in spvp and open world pvp means they are good and well and don’t need balancing in dungeons and wvwvw you’re really dumb. it’s just a fact.

classes should be balanced for each game mode individually. i don’t care if the ranger is the god of spvp if it blows at wvwv and dungeons.

also minus 5 points for using the “L2P” argument. see my post above if you’re confused. it seems the only arguments thieves can muster to counter the mountains of evidence showing they are OP is L2P and go play thief to understand them.

RedSpectrum.1975:

vespers.1759:

Ruggan.4102:

Distaste.4801:

This stealth nerf is absolutely nothing. Heaven forbid you actually have to think about anything other than damage stats on your thief. The ONLY people impacted this are the ones that abused stealth to begin with. Otherwise those of us that didn’t abuse stealth won’t really notice it. I run with blinding power, shadow refuge and even C&D some myself and I know it won’t be an issue. I already space my stealths out, I don’t want to be that perma-stealth abusing thief that has zero skill outside stealth. Of course I can see why those that do abuse it are upset, now they need to actually learn to play the class and won’t see huge numbers because they will have to pick up some defense.

Yea but you have to keep in mind… the stealth line is what controls a thieves condition removal, stun breaks, buffs, and heals. So basically, if a thief uses cnd comes out of it and gets hit by oooh i dont know… how about 3 ranger traps where the ranger has condition damage trait of oooh… 1.2k… so the trap ticks a very nice amount of dmg… well the thief now has to wait 3 seconds for their Hide In Shadows to be of use even though it isnt on cooldown… wow yea that makes lots of sense. Lets keep a Ranger from using Healing Spring for an additional 3 seconds past the cooldown of the ability just because one of their trait line abilities gave them regen… wow the fire that would be fueled then.

only a thief could complain that he has to be visible for an extra 3 seconds while dishing out 7k heartseekers and 9k backstabs!

if you die in that 3 seconds, you’re unpseakably awful.

Not every thief deals that much damage with those two attacks. Those thieves are what we like to call Glasscannons if they do that much. And he’s complaing since we get punished now for using our heal or when our Last refuge trait kicks in, which he has every right to.

sure, just like i have a right to complain that i only won 5 million in the lottery instead of 20 million, but the only ones who care are the other lotto winners. everyone else just thinks you’re greedy.

it’s called balance, and thieves need it.

kind of makes you wonder if they bothered to play test this game doesn’t it?

Ruggan.4102:

Distaste.4801:

This stealth nerf is absolutely nothing. Heaven forbid you actually have to think about anything other than damage stats on your thief. The ONLY people impacted this are the ones that abused stealth to begin with. Otherwise those of us that didn’t abuse stealth won’t really notice it. I run with blinding power, shadow refuge and even C&D some myself and I know it won’t be an issue. I already space my stealths out, I don’t want to be that perma-stealth abusing thief that has zero skill outside stealth. Of course I can see why those that do abuse it are upset, now they need to actually learn to play the class and won’t see huge numbers because they will have to pick up some defense.

Yea but you have to keep in mind… the stealth line is what controls a thieves condition removal, stun breaks, buffs, and heals. So basically, if a thief uses cnd comes out of it and gets hit by oooh i dont know… how about 3 ranger traps where the ranger has condition damage trait of oooh… 1.2k… so the trap ticks a very nice amount of dmg… well the thief now has to wait 3 seconds for their Hide In Shadows to be of use even though it isnt on cooldown… wow yea that makes lots of sense. Lets keep a Ranger from using Healing Spring for an additional 3 seconds past the cooldown of the ability just because one of their trait line abilities gave them regen… wow the fire that would be fueled then.

only a thief could complain that he has to be visible for an extra 3 seconds while dishing out 7k heartseekers and 9k backstabs!

if you die in that 3 seconds, you’re unpseakably awful.

smooth jazz followed by soothing ocean sounds and whale song. it helps me relax after being reminded how broken pvp is everytime i try it.

Apfelschorle.6472:

oh no thieves will need to run builds other than glasscanonbackstabmash2instawin!

there i fixed your post for you. thieves are bar none the most poorly balanced class i have ever seen a mmo. i don’t even understand how 1 class could end up so OP.

the commander icon in general lacks functionality. you get a “squad” (read: mass of people) that nobody uses because it’s just bad. it isn’t even a party… i don’t even know how to describe what it is… people can join but you don’t know they’ve joined and there’s no party UI. and you get an ability to see supply. how handy.

wait? WAIT? we’ve been waiting for MONTHS. i know that feels like a short time for the thieves wtfpwning everything in sight but for the classes that keep getting shafted every patch it’s a kitten long time.

How is making the gold required any less legit?

The lower health amounts —> a glass ranger has about 14k hp. is that extra 2k hp going to save you when thieves can do 15k in 2 hits as evidenced by the SS above?

the single target nature of those builds —> a 1v1 is a 1v1. ikittenerg they just run around 2 shotting and stealth stomping. such a downside!

the loss of other forms of defenses to utilize these —> you have invis every few seconds. that’s the best defense in the game. i’d love to see other classes run around 15 people all day.

the fact that the main defense many of them need isn’t actually a defense against competent players (read: not you). —> how is it an issue of competence when a class lacks any skill to counter it and has 30% of their dps coming from an AI that is braindead?

You do not roll a ranger and expect to tank like a guardian so why do you think you can roll a ranger and expect to damage like a thief? —> dumb because a guard does no dmg in a full tank build (400h on guard so don’t tell me i’m wrong) while a thief has more defense than a guard ever could by virtue of being invisible every few seconds and still having insane dps vs the tank.

a class should not have the best burst in the game and the best defense. sure a warrior can do a big killshot… but it takes a long kitten time to cast and they are totally out in the open while doing it. nothing can stop a 5k steal + 8k backstab + 7k heartseeker from stealth except a lucky dodge (and dodges don’t stop heartseeker spam).

edit: oh did i mention the pet is also a free invis in addition to its inability to hit a moving target and total confusion vs a stealth class? it can’t even start to run towards the target before it is gone again.

Dasorine.1964:

the fact that you think ranger has no ability to defend themselves makes your “experience” as a ranger laughable.

Not to mention your desire to have the exact same damage as a thief without ANY of the penalties they have.

what penalties?

since the loot fix the puzzles are not the best way.

still wvwvw is just a big game of musical chairs. it does get stale pretty quick.

it doesn’t? i thought it was just twilight at night and sunrise during the day…. huh maybe that’s why it costs 2300 and the other two cost 1900 even though eternity takes two to make?

Ruggan.4102:

vespers.1759:

the stealth is ridiculous, but add in the damage and it’s just a total joke.

the fact that any class can dish 7k dmg by pushing 1 button ( which can be pushed multiple times) just shows what a joke pvp in this game is.

And yet my Ranger, at level 70 was hitting with Barrage on his LB for an average of around 12k due to crits…. not to mention pet dmg and of course conditions.

i can tell you’ve never played a ranger. barrage crits for about 1k in zerk exotics at level 80.

if by some miracle the person is too stupid to move 2 feet in any direction, it will still not hit him 12 times.

0/10 wow really bad.

Frenk.5917:

vespers.1759:

the stealth is ridiculous, but add in the damage and it’s just a total joke.

the fact that any class can dish 7k dmg by pushing 1 button ( which can be pushed multiple times) just shows what a joke pvp in this game is.

You again! When will you finish complaining about thief and start using non zerker gear?

when there’s some attempt to balance classes!

is it fair that i have half the dps of a thief with the same gear and also lack any ability to defend myself?

somebody show me a video of a GC (or even a full tank) ranger taking okittenerg or putting out 7k+ dmg in one hit.

sure i could aoe an invis thief… but with what? barrage? that’ll totally work!… or maybe it’ll just set me up for a nice 8.5k backstab. other than traps, which i don’t use because i’m not a trap build, i have 0 aoe that can be used to hit an invis thief and i’m not alone.

why should one class be heavily rewarded for running with no defense when others are totally punished and have terrible DPS to boot?

all i’m trying to do here is make the devs stand up and acknowledge that they have a completely broken class here that is miles and miles above everything but mesmers and d/d eles.

SilverWF.4789:

vespers.1759:

yes but my glass canon ranger does 1k dmg on it’s 1 and 2 skill… not 3-4k and 7k hearts + 8k backstab. i also have no defense whereas a thief can stealth every 3 seconds.

care to continue this debate? nothing you can say can defend the thief class.

LOL
You have RANGE, you have PET (not only damage but infinite buff stacking too), you have lot of EVASION, you have best SELFHEAL in the game. Continue?

Rangers, especially trap rangers SB/S+WH – nearly best classes for 1vs1 fights. Maybe you need practice more with your build – I dunno, but your cry “OMG I lack of solo-DPS” makes me laught

yes range totally works when a thief heartseekers you from stealth for 7k dmg 3 times in a row and the pet can’t catch anything that isn’t standing still.

the stealth is bad alone, but giving that class arguably the best burst in the game is just ridiculous.

Teamkiller.4315:

vespers.1759:

Dasorine.1964:

vespers.1759:

Dasorine.1964:

vespers.1759:

normal? yes. acceptable? no.

the thief class is just the worst thing ever. 8k hits, stealth every 3 seconds… it truly a class for scrubs.

no complaining on the forums because you died to someone is for scrubs, 8k is hardly the highest damage obtainable in a single button press in this game and stealth is easy to counter if you actually pay attention and learn patterns.

let me guess… you play a thief.

let me guess… you play a glass cannon build with no defense who got ambushed once by another glass cannon build who managed to kill you and because you think your the all glorious master of the game that any time you die due to your own build choice everything else must be wrong?

yes but my glass canon ranger does 1k dmg on it’s 1 and 2 skill… not 3-4k and 7k hearts + 8k backstab. i also have no defense whereas a thief can stealth every 3 seconds.

care to continue this debate? nothing you can say can defend the thief class.

Uhhh…yes I can. First of all, glass cannons are really…really…bad to play for a ranger solo. Glass cannon rangers just in general don’t work in pvp, especially not solo.

If you want to play a glass cannon “ranged” class, go warrior. Put on full zerker armor and you’ll be hitting 10-15k volleys and 20k killshots on crit. You can literally one-shot (I mean shot) thieves (and your glass cannon ranger) with that kind of build. How does that kind of damage suit you? Warriors wear heavy, so they have slightly more damage reduction, have 20% more health, and their utility options don’t suck compared to those of a glass cannon ranger.

I was a glass cannon ranger once. I got 2 shotted by thieves, but of course, you can read the long tl;dr I posted just a few posts above.

TL;DR thieves aren’t OP and you need to l2p. This is coming from one who subs a lv 2 thief ONLY for spvp.

i’ll summarize so the others can also have a laugh:

only thieves and warriors can run glass canon because warriors have killshot (IE: the most useless 1v1v skill ever). since every other class is outclassed by a glass canon thief they shouldn’t try and should go bunker and try to survive thief strikes without hoping to kill them.

Teamkiller.4315:

If it makes you feel better, I can regale you with recent tales of my victories over thieves.

Two days ago, killed two thieves 2v1. Both level 80, not upleveled. WvW
About 30 minutes ago, go jumped on by a thief while I was at 30% health. Hey guess what, i won without even healing. Also lv 80 not upleveled in WvW.

I can give you all the anecdotes you want. They don’t constitute evidence any more than your anecdotes of you being killed evidences thieves being OP.

For the record I play guardian, and yes, there are plenty of thieves that outplay me. In my experience, people like you think thieves are OP and try to play one not realizing that everyone can kill uplevels really really easily. You guys become the type of people that I destroy above ^. Yes, I’ve been totally destroyed by every kind of thief build at least once, they are good players, I don’t cry OP. I’ve also destroyed every thief build at least once as well. They don’t go on the guardian forums crying about guardians being OP.

Sorry, I was extremely proud that I beat that thief at 30% hp and I needed to chest thump (altho he probably let his guard down thinking I’d be an easy kill at that point)

picture? no? then i don’t care.

fact is thieves can run glass canon and have more survivability than any other class along with the most damage. other classes get actively punished for running glass canon because they can’t go invis and run away to compensate for high dps. if a glass of any other class gets caught unawares they die. if a thief is surprised he stealths and skips away.

thieves could take a 50% dmg reduction and they’d still be amazing. if a thief doesn’t win in a 1v1 right now they must be really bad.

also play a glass canon ranger. it’s a glass canon thief without the canon or the defense from invis.

why is nobody saying mesmer? they’re miles above ranger.

Auesis.7301:

Each hit of Double Strike (the first auto-attack in the 3-part chain) hit you for 1k, and Wild Strike (part 2) hit for THREE THOUSAND. What on earth were you wearing? Paper? Might as well have run in to battle in the nude. There is something seriously wrong here.

You have no excuse.

so the solution is to wear only heavy armor and get hit for 5k instead of 7k while thieves run in full zerk without a care in the world because of invis?

and the worst part is a glass canon ranger does about 1k on most of their damage skills. greatsword number 2 hits for 3.5k max.

that totally compares to a thief’s DPS!

Dasorine.1964:

vespers.1759:

Dasorine.1964:

vespers.1759:

normal? yes. acceptable? no.

the thief class is just the worst thing ever. 8k hits, stealth every 3 seconds… it truly a class for scrubs.

no complaining on the forums because you died to someone is for scrubs, 8k is hardly the highest damage obtainable in a single button press in this game and stealth is easy to counter if you actually pay attention and learn patterns.

let me guess… you play a thief.

let me guess… you play a glass cannon build with no defense who got ambushed once by another glass cannon build who managed to kill you and because you think your the all glorious master of the game that any time you die due to your own build choice everything else must be wrong?

yes but my glass canon ranger does 1k dmg on it’s 1 and 2 skill… not 3-4k and 7k hearts + 8k backstab. i also have no defense whereas a thief can stealth every 3 seconds.

care to continue this debate? nothing you can say can defend the thief class.

dinominator.9862:

vespers.1759:

yes it’s one of those things that just makes you scratch your head. same goes for minis.

I originally thought the boxing gloves were silly and no one would want that in the land of Tyria, but sure as the sun rises in the east, I saw someone with them.

oh i actually meant the equipping thing (nobody got time to re-equip clothes/minis every 3 min) but yeah some of the town clothes are bad.

Burl.9567:

The image at the end of the post. Where is that from? I know for certain that isn’t in any of the BLs. I don’t play enough EB to know if that picture is located on that map. Am I reading into something that I shouldn’t be????

looks like stonemist.

why don’t you just grind the mats… or is this because you base your self worth and happiness off what other people think instead of what you want?

you want a grind legend so everyone knows you grinded for it…

yes it’s one of those things that just makes you scratch your head. same goes for minis.

Dasorine.1964:

vespers.1759:

normal? yes. acceptable? no.

the thief class is just the worst thing ever. 8k hits, stealth every 3 seconds… it truly a class for scrubs.

no complaining on the forums because you died to someone is for scrubs, 8k is hardly the highest damage obtainable in a single button press in this game and stealth is easy to counter if you actually pay attention and learn patterns.

let me guess… you play a thief.

ensoriki.5789:

Note subject is in World vs World.
This thread will be ignored until March 26th, after significant changes have been made that may or may not affect your gameplay.
Have fun hombre.

yes because fixing culling will surely reduce thief damage!

the stealth is ridiculous, but add in the damage and it’s just a total joke.

the fact that any class can dish 7k dmg by pushing 1 button ( which can be pushed multiple times) just shows what a joke pvp in this game is.

Croth.6287:

vespers.1759:

they’re still going to be insanely overpowered. they will still stealth every 3 seconds and still dish out 8k+ hits.

wait and see.

Well you can’t have the best of both worlds. It’s either stealth every 3 seconds, and do negligible damage, OR do insane damage by popping most, if not all of your cool downs, meaning having no escape mechanism if your initial attack fails. Also note, that insane damage is applied to a single target only.

hahaa this is a funny post.

what’s negligible damage to a thief? 4k heartseeker instead of 6k? 6k backstab instead of 8k?