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Xcorpdog.2840:

vespers.1759:

Condi druid is better. It doesn’t have the dps of an engi, but it does have spotter, frost spirit, glyph of empowerment, and grave of the land.

So it brings a heck of a lot more with it than an engi does.

The Op was asking about dps and I answered with regards to dps. I didn’t say at any point that engineer was better at buffing than a druid.

Ignoring the fact that my comment was not directed at you, you can’t separate the druid from the buffs. Nobody is taking a PS warrior for their smoking DPS, and nobody is taking a druid for that either. Engineer on the other hand offers nothing but DPS.

The party buffs are huge, and benefit the entire team signifcantly. I would rather have a condi druid than an engi pretty much anywhere. The only place an engi would really be more useful is for running circles at VG and breaking bars.

Condi druid is better. It doesn’t have the dps of an engi, but it does have spotter, frost spirit, glyph of empowerment, and grave of the land.

So it brings a heck of a lot more with it than an engi does.

Fractals: The molten firestorm. He just flies around avoiding all dmg and not really doing any. Feels like a straight timegate with the amount of flying around he does. Mossman gets an honourable mention.

Story: The kitten pale tree that stands there doing nothing but autoattacking and every autoattack is an interrupt on a 1s cast or so. Lazy, terrible and boring design. Canach gets an honourable mention for never working properly.

Open world: Probably mordremoth right now given that he either bugs out and doesn’t appear or bugs out and doesn’t die correctly most of the time.

In raids/ dungeons

Thief/DH tie for first withtheir 11111111. Rev is a close 3rd but at least it has energy management.

Ele also has braindead rotations but it has to avoid being 1 shotted. Warrior rotation is basic too but actually makes use of all the 1-5 skills.

And then you have engineer that has a rotation that is just plain bad and doesn’t flow at all.

Press 1 to maximize dps.

Wonderful class design Anet.

- Spend 2H in dragon’s stand
- Whole map disconnects
- Some of us get back in and manage to get to mordy
- Kill Mordy only to have him fly around and spawn bramble things before the cutscene… event fails.
- Whole map dies and nobody gets any credit.

It’s a kittening disgrace that kitten like this is happening this long after launch, but Anet is more concerned with adding outfits to the gemstore.

Maybe they should get the garbage contractor to come back and fix what they managed to bork…. unless Anet specified that they wanted a search function that didn’t work, which given many of the decisions we’ve seen lately wouldn’t even surprise me.

It’s funny because since the 15th i’ve had almost as many asc drops as i had in the previous two years of fracts combined. Got two on christmas day.

praise rngesus

^ that. If it doesn’t specifically say condition dmg it applies only to power. For example glyph of empowerment is 10% to power dps, and grace of the land is condi and power dps.

It’s just a “joke”… That’s why you made a serious thread requesting underwear be added so you can look up the chracter’s skirt and be “satisfied”

Don’t ban me mods this post is a “joke”.

Cleric’s cripples the tank too so you’re better off with magis or even shamans

So basically because i have all the fractal skins and i don’t need them anymore the drop tables should be changed despite many other people not having close to all of them. Oh that’s nice of you. Apparently because something is worthless to you it’s worthless to everyone.

I have got a fractal drop ever… In several years of playing. So clearly the drop rate is too low and that’s “incredibly stupid”. The amount is kitten on display here is too kitten high.

Oh no the community wants something… Better ignore it!

Good logic there.

Oh you can still find a group, it will just be composed entirely of underlevel, clueless F2P players regardless of what you put in the LFG.

Needless to say they are kitten that make the nerfed dungeons even more poisonous.

Wait a second… people actually thought ascended gear was required?

Ziantra.8502:

Let me be the first to say I love HoT mastery! It’s fun and totally not grindy.

This is where i stopped reading.

HoT story summarized:

1. Go visit frogs and never see them again
2. Put an egg on a pedestal for some reason.
3. Go to Rata Novus and learn nothing
4. Go for a walk in the woods to find your friends.
5. Come across mordremoth very suddenly and murder him.
6. The end

Epic as kitten.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

I still think it’s useful information to have posted somewhere on the official forum.

Absolutely. It astounds me that ANet will post stuff on twitter and not here or on Reddit and not Facebook. It’s not all that hard to automate the process of cross-posting. There’s nothing wrong about uses multiple channels to communicate, but it seems like even a C-student in Social Media 101 would choose to coordinate the message(s).

Apparently devs are not required to post and really they’re totally doing us a favour by releasing “meaty” (Gaile’s words… lol) information on Reddit.

In Anet’s wacky world this apparently makes it okay to ignore the official forums… somehow.

I appreciate your efforts.

I also find it pathetic that the devs are posting on Reddit instead of on the official forums where they belong.

Edited post to avoid future ban… if only the mods would migrate over to Reddit too…

Azure.8670:

vespers.1759:

Acratin.3910:

I admittedly wonder how people determine that they have a certain level of DPS at any given time.

The short answer is they don’t. unless they are using a DPS meter (which is pretty janky too) they are just guessing.

They see X hit or X tick and assume that’s their dps. Maybe they got that number, but without knowing how they maintain it over the course of the fight there’s no way to know.

Take every post you see with dps claims with a grain of salt. remember that the average forumer is a l33t gamer (read: a pretty stupid creature).

going to strongly disagree here. There are actually people on these forums, specific people, who have been playing since launch with myself, that sit and crunch these numbers with precision

Yes i agree that those people exist and we know who they are…. But they are vastly outnumbered by the people that theow out numbers like candy to defend their favourite class. These people also never provide anything to back up their claims… Because they are guesstimations.

Anyone know of a decent up to date artificing guide?

Not looking forward to the 400g it’s going to cost but this is crafting wars 2.

Yep for open world pve you can make anything work. Viper is currentmy the best condition armor out there and shortbow will work fine for smacking mobs down.8

Acratin.3910:

I admittedly wonder how people determine that they have a certain level of DPS at any given time.

The short answer is they don’t. unless they are using a DPS meter (which is pretty janky too) they are just guessing.

They see X hit or X tick and assume that’s their dps. Maybe they got that number, but without knowing how they maintain it over the course of the fight there’s no way to know.

Take every post you see with dps claims with a grain of salt. remember that the average forumer is a l33t gamer (read: a pretty stupid creature).

If you’re doing PVE what you have sounds great. For WvW i prefer to run dire, although some people like rabid too (personally i’d rather have the extra vitality and trap trait over the bleed on crit).

As for shortbow… imo that weapon is complete garbage in every game mode. axe/dagger + sword/torch is great for WvW and axe/torch swap for pve is good. Movement speed outside of a kittenty shout build has always been condi ranger’s main issue. However now you can druid for the 33% movement speed and use your dagger 5 and axe 3 to get in close quite easily.

imo condi ranger works best in that 300-500 ranger sweet spot where melee can’t hit you and ranged can’t either because you’re dodging and evading around them.

Laziness. Don’t believe any other lies.

Outfits may be easier to make, but they’re charging $10 for those kitteners.

So frankly igaf about how hard armor skins are to make, those are the only thing worth that much money (assuming they are nice etc.)

Thaddeus.4891:

Axiarus.2376:

Norjena.5172:

vespers.1759:

1. equip zerk gear and sword
3. equip shiro
4. press 1
5. ????
6. top DPS charts

It’s disgraceful that a class like this exists and also poops out boons like it consumed a bottle of laxatives at the same time.

99,9% of all revs are just horribel bad and don´t even understand the basics of this class.
And non-rev haters are even worse.

Are you saying he is wrong? That is literally how to top charts with Rev.

Yes he’s wrong. We are talking about raid here and most revenant here don’t use Shiro, they use Mallyx. Shiro is a better option only if you have no Chronomancer or your Chronomancer can’t give you perma quickness.

In raid, you use 6 utilities skills, swap between the 2 legend and auto-attack. True, that doesn’t make it hard of a profession, but we are far from Shiro, Press 1 rotation.

oh sorry let me fix it then.

1. equip zerker gear and sword
2. equip relevent legend
3. press 1
4. ????
5. top dps charts.

of course it was an exaggeration, but it’s pretty hilarious that a class relies on the auto attack to maximize dps.

here’s a guide for WvW:

1. equip zerker gear and hammer
2. press 2
3. ???
4. obliterate everyone in sight.

Why is it that the easiest classes to play are the most rewarding too? one would think a class with a higher skill ceiling would have the potential to do the most damage when well played… instead we get revenant.

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

vespers.1759:

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

so where is the screenshot , don’t post it here give us a external link.
also ps a condi ranger alone vs the Vale i was doing 3.4-4.2k in bleeds alone on a high stack at most per tick and aslo 2.2k from poisons+ 4.3k over 4 seconds with burns(that breaks down to 1.075k from burn)

thats 7.35k without max buffs as i was on a Green circle Duty and red vale so tell me again how ranger dps is weak , also i know my pet also did atleast 1.2-1.5 a hit as i was running MDG and i maintained it below 50% as the only time you’d get hurt is through personal mistakes and at that point i had a perma 15might.

so please do post your tests and an external link so i can see how many damage sources you are really testing.

you mention providing tests but provide none yourself. you claim you’re getting these damage numbers but without a dps meter to track these numbers over time your claims are completely worthless. maybe you got those numbers but only maintained them for 15 seconds. your dps over the course of the fight would therefore be much lower. you can’t just say “i saw X tick” as if that somehow equates to dps because it doesn’t. at all.

in fact you can just give us a video of your fight so we can watch your ticks over time and make a guess.

also Rev ect they are not Balanced , and promoting rev as Normal? and ranger as weak just shows power creeping , GET ready for Rev Nurfs ect because they will come if that is your point of view accounting rev as standard every class should aim for thats not how the game works.

u wot m8?

who cares if rev is OP? all that matters is what rev CAN do and right now it CAN put out 13k autos while also kittenting out boons. we need to compare what IS to what IS not some airy fairy BS about future nerfs somehow making ranger dps higher in comparison.

its no LONGER a DPS RACE , its about smart play vs stupid players.

actually no… raids are literally dps races because of the timers…. thus one can conclude that a smart player would bring the dps class to ensure success. Can ranger work? as we have seen, yes they can, but they are not as good as others.

See above for my issues with this post.

Also, i saw this video from Josh Glad, who is a very good ranger player. In this group he seems to be the tank, the healer, and condi dps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Pk3GBfTz0

i actually think this looks good as druid is indeed viable here. But he also gets to control aggro which helps dps tremendously as he doesn’t need to chase the boss around. he also has a team that doesn’t require much healing either which helps.

I would love to see if he ran this vs the other bosses.

yes good point with the druid build , though my guild already had a tank/healer druid so i went with Condi damage and druid support just incase the tank made a mistake but my main role was KB red orbs and condi damage through poison master/sun spirit/sharpen edges and vipers nest though thats our team comp.

Raids are not a dps race , you can Mathimaticly gauge the correct amount of dps needed to finish the boss before timer enrage , you don’t need Maximum dps at all times or a build that is 100% dps , 80% of the build as dps is enough to finish the boss before the timer , hence the Smart play rather than " dps race" .

after a few tries , my guild did do the obvious full out dps and tank/heal , then found human error is not worth the dps rush just to shave off 2mins and increase the chances of Failing because of said rushing / lack of outside support excluding those dedicated to boons and tanking , and that lead to me being the condi/supporter only if the tank/healer needed it so we made a yin/yan system if the tank heals , i damage , if the tanks damaging and the teams needs no healing , i keep dpsing.

again pointing to smart play.

the point about the rev is , if people start to use the current Unbalanced aspects of a class as the Standard people should aim for when it comes to damage , they will be disapointed when things are Balanced and people like that enforcing it now , will regret somthing later on Hastey actions lead to consequences (deleting armour sets, or a charater entirely just like the necros before HoT and they kicked themselfs in the teeth because some roled to a different spec as they aimed to do more " Acceptable damage or in this case Socialy accepted" but in the Reality of things necro was fine ( it was all the words that enforce somesones choices and thats where i draw the line its their choice to do or don’t but that leaves no room reason for people to set the Bar so high for no reason.

if people are intenting to put rev in a perspective of “this is what you’re damage should be at” i don’t agree with that , and will wait untill real Balance changes to arrive before i pass any opinions or my reviews on certain classes.

as to why i haven’t mentioned anything in my post history about Revs yet and i will soo as when i find reasons for its Balance to be Acceptable not a power creep as other classes left behind again (that leads to me saying they will be nurfed upon a review of balance possibility same goes for reaper/chrono/DH.

when it comes to balance there will always be one class or a set of skills to act as a weight to stop power creeping from going Rampant.

If you’re consistently clearing the content with your group then clearly it is working for you, which is great. What you’re describing is basically what i was doing when running condi druid for VG.

As for rev, i think the “press 1 to win” gameplay is ridiculous and needs to be toned down but my hopes are not high. It’ll likely be a long time before we see significant changes with them.

Until then, there’s not much reason to not bring revs and other huge dps classes, simply because they make everything so much easier.

Tragic Positive.9356:

vespers.1759:

See above for my issues with this post.

Also, i saw this video from Josh Glad, who is a very good ranger player. In this group he seems to be the tank, the healer, and condi dps.
…

With all due respect …
… That can_not_ be called a very good ranger player.
He is not using Quickdraw for Bonfire (nor Serpent’s Strike for damage mitigation), he’s using spike trap for whichever reason, he’s not using Frost Spirit at all.

Plus he’s using all his evades on cooldown, not strategically. If he decided to use Dagger for DPS, he must have made a horrible mistake.

He did his job even as a Ranger – is much more like it this time.
The video doesn’t really say anything about Ranger’s viability. Revenants and Warriors can do the same thing if not a lot more.

I think he’s primarily a WvW player, but this is one of the few videos available of a DPS druid in raids i’ve been able to find. I agree his build is weird as hell. Based on what i’ve seen of his previous videos, all of his builds are weird. There’s definitely things he could improve on. That being said his dps is good, his party support is good, and he also tanks. He may not be the best at any of those things, but it still works.

If you’ve followed everything I’ve said in this thread, my point has never been to argue that ranger is better than warr or rev. in fact I’ve said multiple times ranger is much worse. My point was that although ranger is not optimal, it can still be viable, at least for the VG fight. His dps is not the best, but in the triple role he isn’t hindering his team either.

Would a min/max party take a druid like this? hell no. But in a more relaxed environment, he isn’t being carried.

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

so where is the screenshot , don’t post it here give us a external link.
also ps a condi ranger alone vs the Vale i was doing 3.4-4.2k in bleeds alone on a high stack at most per tick and aslo 2.2k from poisons+ 4.3k over 4 seconds with burns(that breaks down to 1.075k from burn)

thats 7.35k without max buffs as i was on a Green circle Duty and red vale so tell me again how ranger dps is weak , also i know my pet also did atleast 1.2-1.5 a hit as i was running MDG and i maintained it below 50% as the only time you’d get hurt is through personal mistakes and at that point i had a perma 15might.

so please do post your tests and an external link so i can see how many damage sources you are really testing.

you mention providing tests but provide none yourself. you claim you’re getting these damage numbers but without a dps meter to track these numbers over time your claims are completely worthless. maybe you got those numbers but only maintained them for 15 seconds. your dps over the course of the fight would therefore be much lower. you can’t just say “i saw X tick” as if that somehow equates to dps because it doesn’t. at all.

in fact you can just give us a video of your fight so we can watch your ticks over time and make a guess.

also Rev ect they are not Balanced , and promoting rev as Normal? and ranger as weak just shows power creeping , GET ready for Rev Nurfs ect because they will come if that is your point of view accounting rev as standard every class should aim for thats not how the game works.

u wot m8?

who cares if rev is OP? all that matters is what rev CAN do and right now it CAN put out 13k autos while also kittenting out boons. we need to compare what IS to what IS not some airy fairy BS about future nerfs somehow making ranger dps higher in comparison.

its no LONGER a DPS RACE , its about smart play vs stupid players.

actually no… raids are literally dps races because of the timers…. thus one can conclude that a smart player would bring the dps class to ensure success. Can ranger work? as we have seen, yes they can, but they are not as good as others.

See above for my issues with this post.

Also, i saw this video from Josh Glad, who is a very good ranger player. In this group he seems to be the tank, the healer, and condi dps.

i actually think this looks good as druid is indeed viable here. But he also gets to control aggro which helps dps tremendously as he doesn’t need to chase the boss around. he also has a team that doesn’t require much healing either which helps.

I would love to see if he ran this vs the other bosses.

Prophet.1584:

just a note: I wonder how many people commenting on how dead ranger is have actually beaten Sabetha or even Gorseval? I know I have.

How is this even relevant? I’m not sure how you figure beating those bosses with a DPS ranger in the group means DPS ranger is good…

DPS ranger is not good compared to other classes, especially the power builds. I could see condi ranger being fine vs Sabetha because she doesn’t do anything, but will it compare to a condi warr or condi reaper? lel no it won’t.

Obviously DPS rangers contribute something but since they are not optimal it means your team has less room for mistakes and other people need to do more to compensate. Maybe you got carried… who knows. You provided literally nothing with this post. Gives us a video of your hot DPS. Even better, include the DPS meter with your video so it’s not “well i saw a 10k burn tick and 5k bleed therefore my dps must be at least 15k”.

Prophet.1584:

Core ranger does better than 5k dps, it always has and only 6k is required per participant to beat the bosses on average. unless that screen scraper is also taking into account the team dps with and without the ranger you’re not seeing what the ranger brings in addition to personal dps.

My numbers are based on solo testing without any outside buffs while running a raid build that focuses on party dps, not a max personal dps build. It is assumed that you will be getting buffs from other players in a raid. Of course ranger dps will increase signficantly with full party buffs, but so will the dps of every other class and since every other class has better dps to begin with… it’s still worse.

The other thing is calculating the benefit of ranger buffs is extremely hard to actually measure. The dps meter looks only at personal dps and not party buffs, which does make up a significant part of a druid’s contribution, but that also makes up a significant part of other class contributions too. A condi warr is doing 20k burn ticks in addition to banner buffs the meter doesn’t take into account etc.

However, looking at ranger buffs. The main one is Grace of the Land and its uptime is way way way worse than people make it out to be. You are not keeping up that 5 stacks on everyone all the time. Not even close.

So I agree that right now the only reason to take a ranger to raids is for a healing druid in a competitive group, because every other class except thief brings good things. I do think you can get by with a good condi player for at least the first boss though.

I have used the jaxnx dps meter quite a lot and yes… It is enlightening. Although this meter is innacurate it gives a general sense… Condi ranger on a target golem does about 6-6.k dps with brief spikes up to 7. Power ranger is simply abysmal at around 5k. I’m sure others will get this higher, as i don’t claim to be amazing. This is vs a stationary target with no outside buffs and raid builds (none of that stupid self might stacking) which maximizes condi and power dps. Compare this to a condi zerker which can maintain 10k dps vs a golem with a much much easier rotation or rev that can do 9 with auto attacks.

Imho power ranger DPS is so pathetic there’s no point in bring it to raidz at all. I’ve also run condi druid against VG and noticed some things. Dps in phase 1 is good, as the boss doesn’t move. Your dps is still lower than other condi classes ofc, but you can pump out GoL quite often and make use of spirits. Is this good enough to make up for lower personal dps vs another condi class? vs a straight condi ranger? I have no idea.

In the split red boss is basically anti condi. Pet can’t do dps and you have less people to buff. Condi druid also has no cc….

After this the boss moves around and your dps tanks. You can still maintain decent GoL uptime.

Overall i think a well played condi druid is viable for VG but not optimal. remember that if you have a healing druid they’ll also have spotter and spirits. I believe the bugs with them are fixed now for what it’s worth.

As for gorseval…. There’s no point in bringing any dps ranger when other classes can do so much more dmg with much easier rotations. The timer is tighter and you need to bring more damage. Stacking is also easier as there’s fewer mechanjcs to split people which makes the healing druid’s buffing and healing easier to distribute, so the second druid is less necessary. Why bring a condi ranger when you can take a condi warr that does more dps and is easier to play? 20k dps on the meter vs gorse on my first day with condi warr essentially spamming zerk mode and lonbow skills… I will get that even higher easily. Why bring power ranger when literally everything else is better?

Imho ranger is in sad state. We have revs that dish out 13k autos and condi classes pumping out 20k bleed and burn ticks with much more forgiving rotations than ranger. Healing druids are destined to become obsolete when raids get to farm status and druid continues to be the most nerfed class.

PS 23k RF is not strong when other class can do itthat dps in two autoattacks in 2s.

Ranger DPS is very bad on both power and condi builds. Some people will likely try to argue but it’s true. We are outclassed by everything, especially power builds.

Clearly Anet has chosen Reddit to be the official forum because it has a working search feature.

Reading this thread i’m left shaking my head at the absurdity of this whole situation. The official forums should be where announcements and coomunications should be found first. Using Reddit so extensively is just kittened. This is disgraceful.

1. equip zerk gear and sword
3. equip shiro
4. press 1
5. ????
6. top DPS charts

It’s disgraceful that a class like this exists and also poops out boons like it consumed a bottle of laxatives at the same time.

Oak da Vite.9054:

Well, they do it for rangers. Without a blink. Even without trying it out. Announced by staff members that are not even responsible for the class (funny sidefact: person announcing the change on twitter is responsible for revenant).

This. They’re too busy giving druid a nerf every second day to bother with any of the other classes.

It’s less about the ascended gear doing anything as it is about pugs wanting some way to evaluate a pug. Basically if you’re going to take an unknown quantity, you might as well take one with best in slot gear.

Of course this has no relation to skill. I myself don’t have ascended gear because i refuse to craft anything and the drop rate is dead. I actually played a ton of fractals previously and have experience in the game. I know my rotations and how to play my class so realistically I could easily more than make up for the dps loss from ascended gear would give a worse player.

It’s a little like taking a player based on AP. it might mean they’re good, but it might not.

this skill is hilariously lackluster. it is incredibly easy to avoid except in melee range and it barely does anything when it lands so what’s the point of using it? lol.

Druid won’t be fixed for a lot longer than 8 weeks.

I wonder why Anet decided to make druid a heavy healing class if they were just going to decide that healing was too strong within 24h of release?

I mean really? did they put druid together in a weekend? Because it feels like they did. Surely if they spent months on it they might have at some point realized that they would eventually think it was too strong?

So now we have an elite spec that is basically garbage because of their stupidity. Thankfully though they can act swiftly to fix “bugs” that make the class stronger whilst ignoring legitimate bugs that might also make it stonger (bristleback 50% HP nerf and the F2 can’t hit anything… astounding!).

Verdant Etching.

Ofir.2405:

Man not only that but they fixed the “bug” with Bristleback health but didnt even look at its problem with landing any of its attacks.

So much this.

- Spend 2h in Tangled Depths doing events to get to the meta.
- Decide 20 min before it starts to do an “adventure”
- Choose Scrap rifles which of course i fail because that “adventure” is complete kitten
- Come out to find I have been thrown into a different map and can’t rejoin my party because the map is full.

- Waste all my time.

Thanks Anet.

I agree. It isn’t elitism… good damage builds are simply a requirement for success. You can cry about playing how you want and being kicked for running your terrible build but the reality is if you want to beat the raid you need to do it.

Raids are not dungeons, they are not fractals. You simply cannot beat the timer unless everyone is running as much dps as they can possibly squeeze out. The VG actually has a very, very generous timer. it only gets worse after him.

My raid group is not bad by any means, but we still have far too many people not running good builds, not wanting to go over skills, and many aren’t even running food. We managed to beat VG but Gorseval is going poorly and people are getting demoralized. it is not fun to never make progress and waste hours and hours because some people refuse to change.

Lord Kuru.3685:

They’ll come. Right after the fractal leaderboards, probably.

el oh el.

I’m getting this too. Some areas of the game are simply broken. The ogre lane in TD simply does not work for me. When I go in by FPS isntantly drops from 40 or so to 10 and the audio bugs out. Some areas of VB are similar. I’ve also noticed that sometimes my FPS in maps that are usually good like AB are sometimes just horrible (not large group fights either). I haven’t changed anything about my computer, so what’s happening?

specs:
7870
8350
8gb RAM
1tb WD blue ezex
Win 7
1080p

I feel like it might be an optimization issue because i should be able to run this game just fine.

Rothschild.8361:

Hi,

Im a berserker war, i palyed war for more than 4k hours. From my own exp, be honestly, I can do more than 45k damage only by using hunderd blades when im in berserker mode with 25 stacks of might. My critical chance is 101% with fury, and critical damage is 245% when im in berserker mode. On agverage, i can do more than 120k damage in the first 3 sec after actived berserker mode.

This is like using the damage you do vs the dredge mining suit in fractals as an indicator of what the class can do… ie: irelevant.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Better yet go condi

This. Toughness scaling in high level fractals encourages running condi anyway.