Guild Wars 2

lol @ any non-staff ele that loses to any type of ranger. ele is the best class in the game and in pvp it is second only to thief in pure kittenry potential.

I’m trying to use OBS to capture some GW@ gameplay but i can’t seem to get the “game capture” setting to work. whenever I try to use it it instantly crashes the game. I can record fine if i play the game in windowed mode but it’s a little annoying to do so.

Is anyone else having this issue/know of a way to fix it?

Thanks

How many gems does one get for “volunteering”? And don’t say none because we all know the answer is never none.

Lazuli.2098:

II was hoping it would be hard for other players to distinguish her animations and to tell her apart from her clones.

this is the reason i hate asuras in pvp.

Manekk.6981:

I’d also add that RaO is absolutely amazing with this build the stability really makes it shine against multiple opponents and with might your condition damage goes through the roof with a well timed drake F2, it’s simply much much better than entangled in my opinion especially now since the update when it can’t so easily be dispelled RaO always useful for you both offensively and defensively while entangled is sometimes very good and also sometimes completely useless there are too many blinks, stealths and other ways to get out of it in a split second a warrior with dogged march and food will just walk out or sneeze on the vine to make it shrivel like a raisin not to mention a single tiny blind will ruin the entire thing before it starts.

the point of entangle when running survival of the fittest is that it is a 48s CD, cleanses 2 conditions, gives fury, gives an immobilize, and does about 7k worth of bleeds. RAO is a great skill but that 120s CD is a joke and imo offers nothing compared to a traited entangle. Running entangle lets me avoid using the horrow that is empathic bond.

The immobilize part of entangle is the least important feature of the skill to me. You’re right that every class can get out of it almost instantly but I don’t care if they walk out of it 2s later. All i need it to do is land it so i get the bleeds on them and have time to drop a bonfire. After do that i can just sit and wait for them to keel over.

Noein.1685:

vespers.1759:

So I’ve been roaming a lot on my condition ranger and while it is certainly fun, it is an extremely poor roamer and i’m finding myself failing because of the limitations of the class rather than the limits of my skill.

bold statement, no matter how broken the ranger is. not doubting your skills, but kitten bro where’s the humility.

It has nothing to do with skill it has to do with not having the tools to do anything else. I’m frustrated that when I get into a 1v2 i won’t win because i can’t safely stomp or interrupt revives. I can down one of them 3 times but it doesn’t matter because finishing them is extremely hard. if i was a thief i could stealth stomp/revive them or teleport stomp them and there’s nothing anyone could do.

I could also win more fights in the enemy didn’t just run away all the time. When a condition ranger goes into a fight they pretty much always go into that fight until the death. other classes say “oops i’m losing” and run away. Where is the fun in fighting a warrior that gets to 5% health, runs away and regens and then comes back 2 more times? My class doesn’t have swiftness unless it runs a bird or a power weapon. that makes no sense at all!

Tragic Positive.9356:

Crapgame.6519:

It is better than rapid fire is over powered or the class is broke But honestly maybe they are just looking for tips/tricks, etc.

I doubt it that this is the case with that kind of attitude of his.
It resembles a letter of complaint.

About something that… Is not even that bad, actually. Subpar, maybe, but we all know that everything will be subpar to Eles and Guardians concerning WvW.

Nobody is saying conditions is required. The point of this is to show the imbalance between classes. If nobody says anything there’s no reason for Anet to change anything.

Because I like playing ranger, I want to see it brought up to snuff and it is unfortunate that condition ranger is in the poor state it is right now.

I would like to see it given some buffs so it doesn’t need to rely on power based weapons (i had to lol when the one guy said use GS/warhorn on a condi ranger) for mobility and i would like it to be given an effective way to stomp that once again doesn’t require heavy investment into power based skills.

I’ve run trapper in the past but found it too hit or miss and i missed having stunbreaks and condition removal. I might try a hybrid power build with traps and see how that goes.

it’s unfortunate because i really like condition dmg but outside of honorable 1v1s in which the other person doesn’t just run away it is pretty bad.

shouts are bad and trying to slot signet of the wild into a condition build results in too much lost condition removal or direct dmg survivability for me. I’d rather have condi removal i can control from survival of the fittest than empathic bond’s random triggering and transfers to my pet…

I do love seeing healing signet on perma poison ranger.

So I’ve been roaming a lot on my condition ranger and while it is certainly fun, it is an extremely poor roamer and i’m finding myself failing because of the limitations of the class rather than the limits of my skill.

build:

2/0/6/6/0
Dire gear and krait runes
Axe/dagger & sword/torch
lynx/wolf
sharpening stone, lightning reflexes, signet of stone (or signet of renewal), entangle.

The problem is condition ranger is only good at small scale fights and 1v1s but it is completely outclassed by other roaming builds. So what place is there for condition ranger?

1. You have some of the worst mobility in the game. Our condition weapons and requirements give us zero access to swiftness unless you run a bird (combat only) and you have 1 gap closer/escape if you count leaping on sword. Generally you’re required to rely on axe 3 or dagger 5 to chill/cripple to get close.

This means once you’re in a fight you are in it until you die because you can’t run away. It also means that you can’t chase other classes when they run away… which is all the time. I’ve fought many, many duels in which the other classes simply run away from me and there’s nothing i can do about it. it is incredibly frustrating to have people run away at 5% health and reset over and over while i lumber after them.

You could run signet of the hunt but then you lose a utility slot which means loss of survivability or condition removal (from survival of the fittest) simply for a 25% movement increase and an active effect that is useless for conditions.

2. You can’t stomp safely. What do we have? we don’t have stealth, we don’t have mistform/DS/invuln, we don’t have teleports. The only thing we might have is stability but that requires running RAO which is worse than entangle on condi ranger or signet of the wild which costs us either condition removal or survivability and has a long cool down. So basically you’re wasting 8s of stab and 25% more dmg to stomp. that’s pretty terrible considering many other classes don’t need to sacrifice anything to stomp safely.

So in 1vX situations you won’t win simply because you can’t stomp. When you try you’ll get CC’d by the downed guy and by the others and there’s not a lot you can do besides hope they won’t kill you while you attempt to stomp. You’re a sitting duck throughout the whole stomp animation and any decent player will take advantage of that to pummel you. A long time ago we had quickness stomps but that got nerfed.

3. You have no way to interrupt revives/revive safely. This is my third major frustration in 1vX scenarios. I can’t win because i don’t have the tools to win. Condition ranger relies fully on wolf for fear/knockdown.
After the wolf fear/KD are done assuming you have to begin with, there’s no way to prevent an opponent from reviving which means no matter how many times you down them, they’ll just get picked up.

This also applies to stopping people from stomping your friends. You mostly just watch helplessly because there’s kitten all you can do. you have no way to safely revive them without getting CC’d to death.

When i compare the state of condition ranger to other classes like thieves (not to mention eles, warrs, mesmers etc..), that have extreme mobility, extreme stomping/reviving powers and high dmg/condi dmg i have to wonder how this game got so unbalanced.

What is the point of condition ranger? It is a very fun build, but it is not even close to a great build for anything. Condition ranger is useless in pve, useless in zergs, decent for point humping in spvp i guess but i don’t play that, and completely outclassed in wvw roaming.

So what are my options here? I love the ranger class but it is frustrating to be so limited.

TFW your class doesn’t have a meta build.

Don’t come to Fort Aspenwood it is awful. During primetime you might as well not even try because it’s all zergs. during off hours the breakdown of the typical roaming experience is 80% boring empty maps, 10% zergs, 9% thieves, 1% actual fights. I’ve been wanting to leave for quite some time because it is just insanely boring. Only reason i haven’t stopped is because unbelievably it still beats zerging.

Gern.2978:

I think all the people in this forum who keep saying how challenging the ranger is to play should look at the results of this survey.

Ranger is a joke in pve and vs terrible players… but all the classes are.

Power ranger is extremely difficult to win on vs any meta builds and semi competent players because it’s so UP.

I always loved the decision to give female asuras and charr the male versions of armor.

Engineers are a joke for condi rangers. On power ranger you’ll get obliterated by any semi-competent engi but then again power ranger is a horrendously weak build so idk why 90% of rangers continue to run it.

Condi ranger is really the only viable build we have for dueling. I get so many rage whispers when playing condi and I always have a good laugh about it.

Man this would be awesome for everyone that doesn’t play thief.

I hope you guys can get this organized.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I found some solo guy ramming a tower I was trying to defend so naturally I tried to stop him. Unfortunately he outplayed me so I ran inside like a chicken when I was nearly dead. A servermate came along and the other guy stopped ramming to /bow to my servermate. They had a duel and my servermate won, backed away from the guy’s downed body and I came out to stomp him (: I got flamed and called an @sshole and I just said “welcome to WvW, enjoy your stay.”

You’re as bad as the people that fight a 1v1 and don’t get stomped because the person that won doesn’t care enough/is polite… gets rezzed by 4 buddies that happen to come along and then /laughs over the corpse of the person they just lost to.

It’s unfortunate Anet won’t give us a place to duel. You could say spvp rooms but they don’t allow all the builds wvw does. Also you can’t tell duelers to go into a corner away from everyone because you need to go where people are to find fights.

I wish people in wvw could just get good and then they wouldn’t need to jump on 1v1s just to get a stomp every now and then.

Sebrent.3625:

What you call “annoyance”, I call “more control over my ability” … and I’m a fan of putting more control in the players’ hands.

except having it go in the direction you choose does not result in less control it results in more control by not having to deal with an unreliable about face so this point is completely invalid.

You want it to roll forward, others want it to roll backwards. Solution? Pick one and have players take a fraction of a second to orient their character to have it go in whatever direction they want.

no… everyone would be happy if it went in the direction you select. I have no idea why anyone would be against the idea of having go in the direction you select. Nobody loses. it would have no effect on your ability to go backwards at all. Another invalid argument.

To add to that as i have already explained, having to use about face slows you down. it is slower to use it than it is to just run normally which makes it a terrible skill outside of situations in which you face the enemy

anyway not going to waste anymore time on this silly discussion. your arguments are terrible and make zero sense.

Sebrent.3625:

@vespers: That is a learned skill with Lightning Reflexes (and other abilities like it). You have to quickly orient yourself right before you use it, then re-orient and keep on going the direction you intended.

I’m very familiar with about face since i use sword leaps all the time but it just adds another layer of annoyance to using the skill.

The other thing is sword leap chains are barely if not any faster than simply running forward with swiftness (and since most rangers have very little you usually have none).

LR is even worse because it is a much shorter distance than sword. By the time you get it off you’re already overrun.

I’ve always felt that lightning reflexes should evade in the direction you are moving. It works nicely when facing an opponent but when running away it becomes utterly useless.

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

vespers.1759:

Curring.9752:

Plus the poison applied by your pets is just a lot weaker due having no condi damage stat (Unless traited). I don’t feel it’s worth the slot.

I need to test this because i’ve never noticed this.

I wonder if it is because poison stacks duration not damage and when you have the permanent poison the pet poison just increases the duration of the existing poison. You never apply your first poison with the pet. you apply it with your evades and then extend it with the pet.

the whole point of the poison master is too boost your own poison damage by 50% run it with Sigil of doom and Volly or Dagger 4 , the pets poison is simply for Upkeep and not having to waste your own Powerful Poison attacks vs any target that is pretty much already dead .

I’d treat poison master , personal poison attacks as your Condi Starting high damage spike then using the pet to cover the down time untill your burning or poison comes off cooldown , or even use the pet to manage a second source of poison vs a Tanky target just for the -33% healing.

its much more than just thinking about Straight up Damage.

Start with a strong poison and just Extend the duration (if you have already Drained the target of condi clears at this point swap pets and pounce on them don’t waste the pet swap)

Yes you just said exactly what i said in my post haha. i was responding because i have never noticed pet poison being weaker in my poison numbers and wondered if that was because i never use the pet to apply it first. but then the other guy said the pet posion does scale with condi dmg so that’s why.

I don’t see any reason to not take poison master over the others. I very very rarely have any trouble clearing condis with Survival of the fittest and evasive purity so there’s no reason not to take poison except in very specific scenarios. Since you already have permanent poison from dagger 4, sword 3 and venom and doom sigils you might as well take the extra dmg. 350 from poison is not bad at all when it takes no effort to apply.

Curring.9752:

Plus the poison applied by your pets is just a lot weaker due having no condi damage stat (Unless traited). I don’t feel it’s worth the slot.

I need to test this because i’ve never noticed this.

I wonder if it is because poison stacks duration not damage and when you have the permanent poison the pet poison just increases the duration of the existing poison. You never apply your first poison with the pet. you apply it with your evades and then extend it with the pet.

except your mobility on condi ranger is some of the worst in the game and they’ll just run away haha.

these two classes only die if they choose to die by not running away.

poison is weak on its own but couple it with poison master, condi gear and venom/doom sigils and you have permanent poison. Basically you can stack upwards of 30s of posion and permanently maintain it without needing to try at all. Just go about your regular evades and it’ll be there. It also ticks for like 336 which is pretty decent. I use it all the time in 1v1s because when running survival of the fittest there’s no need for empathic bond and bark skin is meh.

That being said, i have no idea how good it would be in groups. condi ranger in general is pretty bad in groups and the poison application is single target rather than aoe.

I’d be happy with more than the 3 emotes we have now.

Personally when i join a story run i expect at least a few people to watch cutscenes unless otherwise stated.

this happens with all arrows, not just ranger arrows so i’m not sure why you’re singling them out. My guess is because you’re just another god awful player that can’t comprehend the fact that longbow is not a dps decrease anymore. Standing on high ground also extends the range…obviously… and they don’t jsut vanish once they hit 1500 range… obviously.

Range is literally the only thing rangers have if they don’t go full condi. the second you gap close you can just kill them with auto attacks. glassbow rangers die to farts and anything not full glass does pathetic damage with LB. they are also useless 1v1 and mostly useless in zergs that use retal because landing 10 hits can do 3.8k self dmg.

100% agree that it needs to be boosted but not by 10%. They need to get rid of the in combat slowdown because it just ridiculous. A base 25% to everyone would be awesome while keeping swiftness at 33%.

it’s unfortunate some classes have easy access to permanent swiftness and others have… nothing which requires them to waste runes or slots to get 25% (not even 33%).

morbidillusion.2759:

vespers.1759:

it’s not really that there’s no counterplay but that there’s no way to do anything to stop the initial burst that comes from stealth when you can’t see them coming… because they are invisible.

Thieves are rarely invisible before they engage. Thieves cannot remain stealthed indefinitely – and only D/P thieves can even have stealth up without being in combat. Sources of stealth last 3 seconds, dude.

LB rangers and kill shot warriors have the same effect in WvW. You can’t keep track of everyone so one of these guys cheese-balls you from 1200-1500 range. You only hate thieves because you can see them kill you and know what happened.

In wvw you often don’t see them coming or you see them go into stealth and then have to guess when they attack while they have all the time in the world to sit in stealth while you dodge around and waste skills trying to mitigate the coming burst. And then if you do get a lucky dodge you are punished because the thief just stays stealthed… lol wat.

it really is kittened.

Complaining about losing to a Thief in WvW is usually ridiculous. If you’re zerging, you’re probably using horribad spec that relies on 20 other people as its main form of defense. You can’t complain about dying to a Thief if you’re specced to do nothing but AoE burst zergs. If you’re actually using a spec that good for skirmishing/roaming/dueling then you can beat any thief 1v1 as almost any class.

You sound like another one of those guys who loses to thieves before they even attack you. You instantly panic. You try to run away instead of fight back. You have no idea what he’s doing or why he’s doing it. You have exactly one line of strategy when a Thief gets on you and it is to immediately hit Signet of Stone/Mist Form/Endure Pain/Death Shroud and run to your allies.

The idea that stealth has no counter play is ridiculous. It’s like saying the only counter play to Warrior stuns is a long cooldown stun breaker. How about you dodge, blind, block, or interrupt him? Same exact stuff works on Thief stealth skills. Once the Thief achieves stealth, he is in the same spot he was when he wasn’t in stealth. Just press 1 and you get to deal free damage on the Thief. There are counters to stop stealth in the first place and to punish stealth when it works. If you think stealth has no counter play you’re simply ignorant to how it works.

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AlCojester.4316:

Svarty.8019:

Because there is no counterplay to stealth.

Yes. 100% agree with you. Putting down AoE is too kitten hard.

it’s not really that there’s no counterplay but that there’s no way to do anything to stop the initial burst that comes from stealth when you can’t see them coming… because they are invisible.

In wvw you often don’t see them coming or you see them go into stealth and then have to guess when they attack while they have all the time in the world to sit in stealth while you dodge around and waste skills trying to mitigate the coming burst. And then if you do get a lucky dodge you are punished because the thief just stays stealthed… lol wat.

it really is kittened.

Watch me gank people while they are busy doing other things…

Then again it is a thief video so why should I be surprised.

there are so many incorrect statements in your post i’m jsut going to laugh.

good day sir.

Zenith.7301:

I wouldn’t. Somehow a channeled skill that’s visible and can be reflected can’t do 10k but an invisible backstab that can be teleported by precasting steal or infiltrator’s signet or shadow shot somehow is OK.

I mean, does backstab or combustive shot get you killed against retaliation spamming zergs? I didn’t think so.

this sums it up very well. The only people claiming RF is OP are terrible.

2/0/6/6/0 → shed condis like crazy and have great condi dmg.
Dire Gear
Krait Runes
Sword/Torch & Axe/Dagger
Lynx Pet

Pop lynx F2, pop sharpening stone and splitblade, pop dagger 5, pop entangle. 25 stacks of bleeding and then swap to torch and drop a bonfire. the end.

Also I have yet to meet a single power ranger that has lasted long vs my condi ranger let alone been close to killing me. Most of them run with literally 0 condi removal and don’t hit hard enough to do much dmg before i can close and roflstomp them.

I’m not using any traits related to traps and my winter’s bite is still at 1s (actually a lot longer than that).

sometimes i log into the game after not playing for hours and am locked out without doing anything.

huzzah.

sunny.5789:

is this confirmed actual numbers? if so that’s really hilarious. 85 people in the whole kitten game can play EB… good god.

unbelievably that still beats the green text and green downedstate.

what the heck. no wonder it fails to go off so much lately. it also continues to flash after the yellow bar is filled.

first pets got broken now this too. thanks.

i used trapper runes for a while and they were fine but since you need to stack traps you have very few stunbreaks. i now use krait runes and i like them although the torment is lackluster.

you could also go with undead runes or even grenth if you wanted to focus on chills.

It’s because Ranger is still one of the weakest classes and is easily countered in pvp by pretty much any other class when played well.

I love the pet mechanic and it’s part of the reason i chose ranger BUT it needs serious overhauls.

Pets need a massive health boost and boost to their AoE and condi resistance. Right now they are useless in zergs and even in small fights vs condi classes. In all the other mmos i’ve played pets have been something you don’t even bother to go after because it simply isn’t worth it. they could survive in group fights, they could tank bosses and they were useful.

GW2 pets are frankly garbage because they aggro everything, attack on passive, and die to a fart. if they gave them the HP boost they got in pve in wvw it would help a lot and i can’t for the life of me figure out why they chose not to give it to them.

PyroKenny.1427:

I have yet to experience that problem actually… But then again, I don’t pvp.

it’s a non-issue in pve. there they jsut die to boss attacks instead. in wvw they just eat every condi and can’t do anything about them… bam dead in seconds

There’s absolutely no way to keep them alive while fighting a condi class is there…

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

vespers.1759:

I think they have a right to be annoyed when dueling on the east wall of SMC. You see a group of players from all factions standing around while 2 fight and you run up and get involved? how brain dead does one need to be to not recognize it as a duel? that’s also an extremely common dueling location.

And how brain dead can people be to pick a location like that to host a bubble event such as this? What is wrong with you ppl?

this is the guy that runs into duels and fights… gets ganked by the duelers,… comes back… gets ganked again and finally comes to forums and complains about the toxic duelers.

Ario.8964:

Vespers, take into account if the ranger is played well that matchup could go either way. Rangers have some good ways to deal with thieves so saying that thieves completely counter rangers is a false statement. In some ways, the ranger can be considered braindead when you take into account the fact that most of your damage can be dealt from a very long range giving you a positional advantage over a thief considering 1) You don’t really have to set up a burst you just kinda press 2 and watch the numbers 2)You can generally see when someone is coming towards you so you should have time to prepare for the encounter.

i wonder how they see me coming when i’m invisible… and how they can counter the initial burst that kill most of them instantly when i’m invisible… or where the very long range comes in in the clusterkitten that is all the pvp maps…

hmmm

I think they have a right to be annoyed when dueling on the east wall of SMC. You see a group of players from all factions standing around while 2 fight and you run up and get involved? how brain dead does one need to be to not recognize it as a duel? that’s also an extremely common dueling location.

if it’s just two people fighting somewhere random i can understand interfering and they don’t really have a right to complain.

Lamuness.3570:

I am seriously starting to consider dropping this class that I’ve played since the beginning, and picking up something that doesn’t require a brain like, Ranger or something

hahaha always get a good laugh from a thief calling literally any other class brainless. It’s even better when they pick ranger because thief has every advantage in the world vs a ranger.

oh well.

5 targets like all the other party buffs (empower allies, strength in numbers etc..) and I believe it prioritizes party members in a larger group.

Puck.9612:

vespers.1759:

Since you’ll be dead if you get caught anyway there’s not much point in running defense imo.

I know this is just an opinion but I see a lot of people post this and I hate that this gets spread around about rangers. It’s true if you build for 100% offense with no thought to defense, condi removal, etc. you will likely die when being focused, but if you run something slightly more balanced and are good with your melee weapons, rangers become very hard to kill.

Longbow can be fun in a zerg if you get into a sniper party, something to pick out enemy commanders, or squishy back line players, to call target on and focus down. But for this to be effective you need to have a good sized zerg to run with.

The front line ranger builds on the other hand work really well even in smaller groups because you can stay with the hammer train providing decent condi removal, a good deal of damage, and a fantastic water field, which has pulled out a win for my guild a bunch of times after we lost our entire back line.

I was referring to the build i put up above. The only defense is sos and situational awareness. Glassbow ranger is one of the squishiest classes but thats what makes it fun imo. If you get caught out of position you get punished for it. Obviously if you go for more defense you’ll survive better but your effectiveness will be lower. Imo you are most effective as a log range spiker in a zerg anyway when eles and necros exist.