Guild Wars 2

ShelBlackblood.7826:

vespers.1759:

Maybe they do it because people like you are willing to spend 200 euros on it anyway.

Don’t “people like you”-me please ;o

I didn’t buy HoT. Those 200 euros where spend for the main game and the things I loved about it (2nd acc, charslots, afterwards buying all GW1 expansions + 3 hero slots).

How should have I known a year ago how this game would be today? x_X seems like I got taught better now, the hard way though

Sorry i assumed you bought HoT. My apologies. At this point the only thing we can do is wait. If we buy they have no incentive to change. I’m going to wait and see how raids and content releases go and decide then.

ShelBlackblood.7826:

The more I read about HoT and the “bright” future of Guild Wars 2, the more disgusted I get. Some guys here wrote it perfectly, ArenaNet’s new business model is just gross, shady and pretty disrespectful to their existing customers.

Uuuuuurgh WHY WHY WHY did I spend over 200 euros on this game?? HoT keeps on destroying pretty much everything I loved about GW2. And there are STILL those blind customers everywhere who swallow everything and even defend actions that restrict people who don’t want to pay for and play the expanision, they are being obviously robbed of something they already had before. We have paid lot’s of money on this game too so for FUNs sake, don’t treat us like F2P players! This is not normal. Seriously, how in the world can a few people here still defend such actions? For the love of god, I don’t understand humanity sometimes. This is driving me insane.

Let me pay 50 Euros again and make a private server with a GW2 version of 1 year ago….. that would feel like christmas eve right now

rant over~ I know this post’ll so get infracted again

Maybe they do it because people like you are willing to spend 200 euros on it anyway.

Mobott.5908:

vespers.1759:

PyrateSilly.4710:

vespers.1759:

I still haven’t preordered.

Well since the game is already live it’s no wonder you can’t pre-order

HoT isn’t a preorder? You must be “having a blast” in raids… owait… Maybe you’re using a swag new legendary weapon… owait… Maybe you’re playing awesome new WvW features?… owait…

Also on a thread related note, i’m doing map completion and taking bets on whether or not it’ll be locked behind HoT too (and by extension legendary weapon crafting).

Nah, but I am having a blast with my elite spec, and with the new PvE content (and the gliding), and the story, and the Revenant, and so on…

Thank you for proving my point.

Farming Flats.5370:

That being said , Vespers , as a non-Hot player ,how do you feel now that you can no longer have Guild Boons ?

I don’t like it at all. I feel a good expansion provides content that makes people want to buy the expansion, instead of taking away core mechanics to force people to buy it.

Fractal rewards nerfed, dungeon rewards nerfed, guild buffs nerfed… it’s all about devaluing the core game to make HoT seem more appealing. We’ve had these things for year and suddenly on the eve of the exapnsion oops suddenly they get “shifted” to other areas.

I would actually love to buy the expansion because i like the game, but i can’t in good conscience buy it before i think it is finished and before i see that the content makes it worth 5/6th the price of the base game.

what we have now is a clear case of desperation from Anet. They’ve released a completely unfinished expansion with many core features like raids still a complete mystery and they’ve admitted they didn’t include many features they wanted to ex: WvW. Now they promise these things will be added but so far they’ve haven’t materialized. What has materialized is a general nerf of the core game.

I would actually love to roam on the new maps because they are more visually interesting than EB, but they are larger and more complex and there’s nobody there so it’s pretty boring. 1 fight every 30 min is not pleasurable.

Save yourself the pain and go to EB. More people and more tightly clustered objectives means more fights.

I ran dungeons for enjoyment about 2 1/2 years ago. Of course after you’ve run the same content over and over and over for that long the fun starts to wear off.

Ele in full nomad does 1200 ticks with the water auto and 300 ticks of soothing mist.

PyrateSilly.4710:

vespers.1759:

I still haven’t pre-ordered. I don’t pre-order on principle because it doesn’t benefit the consumer. Yes, HoT is STILL a pre-order.

I’ll buy it when I see what all the features that they didn’t bother to finish before tearing HoT out of the development womb end up looking like. Currently HoT is grossly unfinished and Anet has even admitted this is true… Happens so frequently now… rush unfinished product out the door, apologize and promise to fix everything later.

We’ll see what raids, the missing WvW features and other missing components look like when they arrive. I’m certain they will not justify the price tag being 5/6th of the original game that has far far more content but i will likely buy because it seems having the new skills will be necessary to stay relevent in WvW which i where i spend most of my time.

If not i’ll find another game to play. Not a big deal.

No MMO is EVER finished. They all add over time. So saying the HoT is still a pre-order is just wrong. That’s like saying WoW is still pre-order and you won’t buy it till everything is released. It will never be finished until they shut the servers down. That is the nature of MMO’s.

I both agree and disagree. Balance is never finished and always evolving, but when an expansion launches with many of the features that form the core of the experience missing, it is a grossly unfinished mess.

We’re not talking about small changes and additions, we’re talking about major features of the expansion, some of which Arenanet has freely admitted they weren’t able to finish before “launch”. I wonder why they chose the released date they did if they couldn’t finish the content by that date….

It’s like buying a car… yes you expect a certain amount of software updates to come out for it, but you sure as hell don’t expect it to come without wheels.

oh look Courtyard is gone too.

Fluffball.8307:

vespers.1759:

Pink Ninja Man.4375:

If you are playing WvW for rewards, you have gone to the wrong place. I would recommend to keep playing Druid if you find it fun. That’s what games are played for anyhow, not just for the shinnies.

Oh look THAT guy appeared. THAT guy always appears doesn’t he?

I think you’re misunstanding his intent. If I may speak for him, I don’t think he’s saying “real WvWers play only for the win” but rather “you don’t get any rewards in WvW no matter what you do.”

Maybe I did, and I agree that WvW rewards are generally garbage and people play it for the fun not the rewards, However said rewards are even worse for druids. We have other classes playing what they enjoy and also getting rewarded, and then we have support playing what they like and getting nothing because of stupid game mechanics. Look at all the guardians running around with their lootstick in hand pressing 1 and collecting bags while doing kitten all while healers keep the group alive and get nothing because they don’t tag as many enemies.

I don’t think ignoring this imbalance because loot bags are not the primary motive for WvW is the right approach to take.

Zanther Deathbringer.4762:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Zanther Deathbringer.4762:

vespers.1759:

Algerius.5238:

no more
karma trains in the new maps, no more blobs.

That’s easy when there’s also no one to play the maps kek.

Oh ya?

Last reset

http://imgur.com/cdF7q2n

This number got bigger later in the night

T1, reset night, and a weekend, all combined together and there’s only one queued map? Not a good sign.

Its been like that for as long as I can remember

But you know, a week after xpac release during Halloween. Couldn’t have had anything to do with it that weekend!

Dunno how it is in T1 but a couple months ago in T2 we had 160 man queues for EB and the BLs were generally at 30-60. Now there is generally never a queue for anything but EB except for a short one (sub 10) on a single home BL on reset night.

I think halloween may have an effect but I highly doubt it is as huge as people say it is. I guess we’ll find out for sure this weekend.

I still haven’t pre-ordered. I don’t pre-order on principle because it doesn’t benefit the consumer. Yes, HoT is STILL a pre-order.

I’ll buy it when I see what all the features that they didn’t bother to finish before tearing HoT out of the development womb end up looking like. Currently HoT is grossly unfinished and Anet has even admitted this is true… Happens so frequently now… rush unfinished product out the door, apologize and promise to fix everything later.

We’ll see what raids, the missing WvW features and other missing components look like when they arrive. I’m certain they will not justify the price tag being 5/6th of the original game that has far far more content but i will likely buy because it seems having the new skills will be necessary to stay relevent in WvW which i where i spend most of my time.

If not i’ll find another game to play. Not a big deal.

Pink Ninja Man.4375:

If you are playing WvW for rewards, you have gone to the wrong place. I would recommend to keep playing Druid if you find it fun. That’s what games are played for anyhow, not just for the shinnies.

Oh look THAT guy appeared. THAT guy always appears doesn’t he?

Algerius.5238:

no more
karma trains in the new maps, no more blobs.

That’s easy when there’s also no one to play the maps kek.

I agree but I guess we should be thankful they are still in the game at all given Anet’s history of completely throwing away finished content.

All the living story content and events could have been permanent real content… instead of temporary features. The old alpine WvW map didn’t have to be tossed to make room for a new one. Raid on the capricorn didn’t need to be completely removed because they didn’t like underwater combat…

Anet just loves to spend resources on making content that will never be seen again.

PyrateSilly.4710:

vespers.1759:

I still haven’t preordered.

Well since the game is already live it’s no wonder you can’t pre-order

HoT isn’t a preorder? You must be “having a blast” in raids… owait… Maybe you’re using a swag new legendary weapon… owait… Maybe you’re playing awesome new WvW features?… owait…

Also on a thread related note, i’m doing map completion and taking bets on whether or not it’ll be locked behind HoT too (and by extension legendary weapon crafting).

Well the kitten poor content in HoT isn’t going to sell the expansion so you need to kitten over the people that didn’t buy.

kittenty game design 101

I still haven’t preordered.

the smoke filed made it back to F2 but in true ranger fashion we also had to get a damage nerf to compensate lmao.

Kraiz.6720:

. Than i started to see the devs giving in and changing things that were complained about loudly enough.

Devs listening to feedback from the community… The horror!!!!

Name a source of money that has been buffes. Go ahead, i’ll wait.

Well we may be obstructed by blades of grass and the air but thankfully we can still shoot through tower walls.

What the hell did I just read?

wow nice of them to update the dialogue. Linnea still says “Bjarni you stay here”. NPCs are talking to people that aren’t even there.

Thanks for the clarification.

I know… I am in the right place and it simply isn’t here.

Did it get moved? I haven’t been here in a long time but it was always next to the Linnea NPC. The wiki also shows it here.

Trying to complete wayfarer foothills…

1 heart left.

Helping Grimarr Molesmasher/Grimarr Molesmasher is missing and wiki shows he was removed in 2014.

Okay the last hear is probably Help Bjarni honor the Spirit of Hare except he’s not there either! And the kitten NPC that’s left had dialogue that says he is still there… I check wiki and it shows the heart still exists.

So for the love of all that is holy where the hell is the last heart? Why does this have to be so hard and kitten?

Boy don’t we all miss the days when thieves could fight a zerg single handedly?

I mean… all these nerfs are so unjustified.

cillard.3986:

Notsoperky.2348:

At least they admitted they released the new maps without really testing them or finishing them Maybe next time they will ask real wvw players to test from an early stage and then listen and act in the feedback.

My worry is that it may be too late.

The absolutely DID invite entire WvW guilds into the beta testing. My guild is one of those that was invited and we perhaps one of the most prominent, if not the most prominent, WvW guilds in NA.

We took our time to test their game, because we care about it that much, and spent our time writing up feedback about the glaring issues we found with the new maps. For the most part, they were completely ignored. Whether it was due to lack of resources or lack of importance, who can say….. but those people still defending ANET at this point need to get a grip. These forums are getting spammed with complaints about the very issues we raised to ANET literally months and months ago. They chose to ignore them and implement the maps as is.

(read this before it automagically disappears, as criticism usually does)

You should make a thread expanding on this for us to read.

This is an interesting question. They claimed dungeon rewards were being removed to go to fractals and raids… clearly they didn’t end up in fractals… Will they end up in raids? Who knows… it’s going to be months before those even come out lmao. At least we can still grind SW trains until our brains leak out of our ears and our eyeballs bleed (but Queensdale and Frostgorge trains were also nerfed because they needed a reason for people to even go to SW).

I think generic white male aka john smith is doing a great job with the economy.

So to summarize WvW post expansion:

Rangers are obstructed by gentle slopes, blades of grass, and often the air itself, but they can shoot through tower walls to compensate.

So how are you guys enjoying raids?

Owait

ReaperJr.5967:

vespers.1759:

ReaperJr.5967:

vespers.1759:

My heart bleeds for the class that was best in game in all game modes for 3 years and is now slightly less good.

See? Exactly what I mean. No point trying to convince haters. They will always insist on exaggerating how relatively good ele was and downplaying how relatively bad it is now.

You’re right you won’t because ele has not been nerfed, it is simply less dominant as competition has arisen to challenge it. Imo that’s a kitten good thing.

I didn’t say anything about it being nerfed except about the fire traitline which WAS nerfed. It isnt competition when the elite specs are blatantly better than dd ele.

The elite specs are blatantly better than all the old specs, that problem is not unique to ele. Plus D/D continues to dominate the old specs so idk what the issue is really since you’re in a far better place than others.

I never said i hate the developers. I’m not sure where you read that? Perhaps you should quote me so i can see? That’s what i thought. Disliking the expansion does not equal hating the game or the devs. In fact i rather enjoy the elements they have gotten right, of which there are many, but it’s the ones they didn’t that are the problem.

And don’t worry i haven’t preordered the expansion… Yes i consider hot a preorder until we see raids and the mysterious planned things they are going to be adding.

Isn’t the tiger actually a 10s CD?

Anet where is 24h tiger bug fix? Why is smokescale only loved pet?

ReaperJr.5967:

vespers.1759:

My heart bleeds for the class that was best in game in all game modes for 3 years and is now slightly less good.

See? Exactly what I mean. No point trying to convince haters. They will always insist on exaggerating how relatively good ele was and downplaying how relatively bad it is now.

You’re right you won’t because ele has not been nerfed, it is simply less dominant as competition has arisen to challenge it. Imo that’s a kitten good thing.

Cogbyrn.7283:

vespers.1759:

This comment is literally a giant middle finger to us.

Why?

Because he admits they kitten WvW and rushed it out the door before it was finished. They will still take money for this of course, despite it being a broken and unfinished product, with the vague promise it’ll be fixed “in the future”

Well it’s been 3 years and WvW is still garbage so what makes this time any different? They set an unreasonable deadline and instead of respecting us and waiting they went forward and screwed us.

The gaming industry is plagued with people that enable this kind of behaviour and it kittenes me off. If you ordered a hamburger and it came undercooked you’d send it back. If you bought a car and it had no wheels you’d send it back. But for some reason people are happy to purchase unfinished games and wait for a mysterious point in the future that it will all be fixed… except that never really works out does it?

You’re purchasing an ever-changing service, not a product. I’ve played WvW fairly regularly for the past 3 years, even in its “garbage” state, and had an absolute blast.

If they release late, they get yelled at by someone else other than you who says they are giving players the middle finger by not hurrying up. They push out what they have done at their deadline and continue work, and someone like you comes out and says they are giving us the middle finger by admitting that they didn’t get as far as they’d like and they still have work to do.

Company sets unreasonable deadline that results in unfinished product… fanboy claims we’ll yell at them for “releasing late” when they are not required to make a release announcement at all. Not my fault they couldn’t deliver on their promises. They didn’t have to rush HoT out the door, they chose to.

Also many other games including Bioshock Infinite were applauded for pushing release back to make sure the game was as good as it could be. I would actually be PLEASED if they had postponed HoT to make it better, as would anyone that wants a decent expansion. Instead we get something rushed and Anet shrugs, pockets your money and promises to do better in the future.

My heart bleeds for the class that was best in game in all game modes for 3 years and is now slightly less good.

This comment is literally a giant middle finger to us.

Why?

Because he admits they kitten WvW and rushed it out the door before it was finished. They will still take money for this of course, despite it being a broken and unfinished product, with the vague promise it’ll be fixed “in the future”

Well it’s been 3 years and WvW is still garbage so what makes this time any different? They set an unreasonable deadline and instead of respecting us and waiting they went forward and screwed us.

The gaming industry is plagued with people that enable this kind of behaviour and it kittenes me off. If you ordered a hamburger and it came undercooked you’d send it back. If you bought a car and it had no wheels you’d send it back. But for some reason people are happy to purchase unfinished games and wait for a mysterious point in the future that it will all be fixed… except that never really works out does it?

I would like to see them make a new map so we have 1 alpine BL, 1 desert BL, 1 new BL and EB.

having 3 of the same BL is lazy.

I’m not sure I understand how you think trap aoe differs from regular aoe. The lord stands in lava font and meteor shower…. the lord stands in wells… the lord stands in symbols etc. What exactly makes traps different?

Your argument is poor OP.

Gotejjeken.1267:

Archon.6480:

I might have been too hard on the OP. For those of us that have been playing Ranger for the last three years, this is obvious. Right? Is any veteran Ranger really surprised by this? If they wanted to change this, they could just make the pets move faster.

They do NOT want pets hitting more reliably then they do, or the PvP crowd would burn the forums down.

Unfortunately this is probably true. Seems Anet listens to the PVP forum as everything that ends up there results in a swift nerf.

E-SPORTS!!!

Anet clearly knows this information already and has for years. the fact that they haven’t fixed pets and are STILL releasing new broken pets shows they don’t give a single kitten.

I haven’t bought it. I’m waiting to see what they do with balance and how raids end up. There’s still all the same things there was to do before, albeit with nerfed rewards because kitten you for not buying HoT amirite.

Also I am pretty much an exclusive WvW player so nothing outside of that matters to me in the least. It depends on what you like to do I guess.

princode.2750:

Theres no way this amulet is balance…any bunker with this amulet can 1v4. Theres a different between tanky and unkillable. I’m basically a guy who main bunker in spvp. Is guard bunker or druid bunker still work. Ans is yes I can still bunker against 2 player but when there’s 3 I will have issue.

I’m sorry but if you can’t kill someone 2v1 let alone 4v1 you’re probably kitten.

Awesome.

Is it in combat only? I’ve asked everywhere in game and not a single person seems to know.

LionZero.3479:

Projectiles are currently a mess anyway in HoT, things obstruct a lot more for no reason specially on lord npc’s, yet at the same time projectiles can partly hit through walls and portals, just another feature in the long list of features.

Longbow ranger is a frustrating experience. OBSTRUCTED! OBSTRUCTED! OBSTRUCTED! oh a gentle slope? OBSTRUCTED!

I haven’t played ranged in so long i wondered if it has always been like this… but it is really just the expansion?

oh boy no drops for a week? poor you. I was lucky if I got one every few months back when I actually gave enough kittens to run fractals.

Thankfully the fractal skin vendor arrived and gave me the skin I’ve been hunting for several years and there’s no reason to go back.

incisorr.9502:

Quadox.7834:

Yup it has gotten pretty insane. I have played the game a fair amount (4k ranked arenas on mes) and recently, more than once i have actually just stopped playing in the middle of a match and just watched. Watching Chrono/Rev/Daredevil and some others just looks crazy now- the window to hit them is abysmally low. Now, i am definitely not arguing that daredevil is op (it isn’t), but the design of most of the classes is just weird at the moment. Full zerker duels take as long as cele ele vs shoutbow used to take before patch.

daredevil isn’t op? rofl please

Daredevil is just as broken as mesmer if not even more broken with all the new kitten they got. You can’t hit them unless they fail and the damage they do is ridiculous. They have about the most condi removals in the game and the most overpowered and kittened mechanic in the game which is stealth , providing the easiest disengage there is and survivability when everyone else would just die when collapsed on by the enemy.

I have to agree with this. They are invulnerable via evades almost constantly… and then they blind spam. They hit extremely hard and fast, have great condition removal, disengage potential etc. They are also impossible to lockdown as they’ll simply teleport out of any CC.

insanemaniac.2456:

Taltevus.3289:

2.) Elite specs becoming the carrot at the end of the stick.
Obviously was not the original idea and ultimately blemished HoT release.

oy m8, the betas were there for u to test things. they gave u elites for free in the betas so u could make sure they work.

Actually no, they gave you them for pre-ordering. Also anyone that thinks a proper beta can be conducted in a weekend is a kittening moron.

The BWEs were betas in the same way the Star Wars Battlefront “beta” a month before launch was a beta.

They are for advertisement and hype generation.

If the target golem didn’t double back the wyverns would never have landed a single hit.

lmao what’s worse? the fact that an incompetent moron was allowed to create these abominations or that Anet didn’t give enough kittens to make sure this stuff worked before dropkicking it out the door?

scaramanga.4915:

If all this negative feedback does in fact get something changed and reworked to the good of rangers, I think Anet needs to be prepared for the complainers to come straight back here and cry about rangers getting some love.

Anet, if you in fact DO something and help rangers, then be aware that you will get the same bunch of kittens coming back here and crying for a nerf , reguardless of how big OR small you help rangers. That being said, STOP and think before you fix something and feel secure in your change, so you don’t backtrack again and listen to the cry babies.

wat