1. by “can” do you mean you can go in and attempt, or that you can complete it? because technically you could enter a dungeon/wvwvw naked. doesn’t mean you’re going to do well.
The only thing I can’t successfully complete using just exotics is Fractals, and that’s because Fractals is never-ending. So I’ll say it again, this time with no ambiguity: There is NOTHING you can successfully complete with full ascended gear that I can’t successfully complete with full exotics.
except fractals…
and if people can complete everything with lower tiers of gear wouldn’t that also make exotics useless?
see where this goes?
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
Strange, people complain when their hard worked for exotics suddenly become obsolete and you need to replace them. Who would have thought?
If exotic equipment is obsolete, then why am I able to do everything you can do with ascended equipment in exotics?
1. by “can” do you mean you can go in and attempt, or that you can complete it? because technically you could enter a dungeon/wvwvw naked. doesn’t mean you’re going to do well.
you can complete dungeons and maybe do well in pvp with 80 rares, or 35 whites. does that mean exotics are irrelevant.
2. you cannot do high level fractals without having multiple ascended items with AR.
so another fail argument here.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
that’s the whole point here. it takes way way way too long.
Translation: “I want my best in slot gear now!!!.” /stamps foot
haha you have to attack me because you have no response to my argument.
GG!
Vespers, I think you’re missing the point of ascended. I’ve played here since September, and the issue back then was that the end-game was too easy to reach, even for a casual player like me. I would reach it, and then I go level another alt, and another, and another. And then delete one because I didn’t like it and remake.
However, other people just quit. Ascended was supposed to be gear that takes longer to get, and requires more effort than exotics or else it would be completely pointless. Yes, the ways of getting ascended wasn’t very great when it initially came out, but with each patch every month, they’re introducing more and more ways to get ascended, while keeping the challenge and time to get ascended relatively the same.
You can’t expect ascended to be easy to get as Exotics, but you can expect so many new content that ties to ascended, letting you have more variety of gameplay of getting it instead of just one or two. It’ll take time, but results are showing already with the recent patches.
i don’t have a problem with new gear tiers. i have a problem with them saying i need to do a daily every day for YEARS to gear my characters. i have 3 80s with 3 builds each. do the math…
and since i’m not in a super guild with 400 people i’m also limited to dailies. my guild isn’t big enough to do guild missions so i guess i’m just screwed.
can you see why this is frustrating to people?
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
No offense, but in one game I stopped at 4500 when the max level was 9999. It just wasn’t worth the grind and the power difference was much easier to make up in other methods.
If the power increase from this items isn’t important, remove them. They are clearly useless and unwanted.
yup. they could easily add AR without needing to stick it into gear, and that AR could be changed to only come from fractals since that’s the only place it is needed in. that way fractal runners could progress and everyone else could be unaffected.
there was no need to add a new gear tier and then make it so ridiculous to get. i don’t even mind new tiers of gear, but the time and methods of getting ascended is just bad.
if the new tier came from dungeons and such i’d be okay with it.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
If you’d stop lying to your friends about what’s needed to play the game, maybe word of mouth wouldn’t be so bad. But once you say you NEED this end game gear (which you would in other games, but not in this one), then you are essentially doing the game a disservice.
BIS gear is a must in most games because of gated content. Here’s it’s a luxury and a compromise.
Maybe you should let people who play this game explain it to your friends instead.
did you even read? you DO NEED this gear for fractals.
Not for fractals < 20. You can do fractals before 20, and by the time you advanced up to level 20, you should be easily close to getting your first fractal pieces.
i wish to see you do high level fractals with no AR or just the rings.
Why would I? You do sub level 20 fractals first to get AR, and then you progress to level 20+ and get more AR as you go.
It’s simple logic o.O.
yes you can get your ascended rings in fractals. but after that it’s dailies for more AR… and it’ll only take you ~12 months worth of dailies to do it for only 1 character with a few gear sets.
that’s the whole point here. it takes way way way too long. if you have more than 1 80 you might as well just give up.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
Confirmation in the form of an ad hominem wasn’t needed; I already know everything I need to know about you from your previous post.
in your opinion it doesn’t need fixing, so you just tell everyone to quit if they don’t like it instead of trying to fix it. that implies that you think quitting things you when you dislike something about them is a reasonable thing to do.
go ahead, tell me i’m wrong.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
this argument falls flat. just because wvwvw is often 1 sided doesn’t mean you should just say “well kitten it” and not even attempt to make it balanced 1v1.
this is the logic that has given us superpowered thieves/mesmers/eles for the past 6 months.
I seem to recall ANet saying once before “we don’t try to completely balance WvW”. So they’re not attempting to make it completely balanced.
By the way, some of those “superpowered” thieves/mesmers/eles have been good pickings if I catch them roaming 1v1. Especially anywhere near a cliff.
forgive me if i don’t believe stories from the guy who thought players got equal gear in world vs world.
my main gripe is the unbalance in wvwv. i don’t care about fractals. i just want some decent pvp.
Forgive me if you used “PvP” to mean “WvW” just to trap me with that. Classy.
i thought it was obvious that world vs world was the only pvp zone with ascended gear.
Well it would be obvious except there’s already a section of the game marked "PvP’. Which is different than WvW by a not-insignificant amount.
last time i checked the wvwvw forums are in the pvp section… because you know… it’s a pvp zone…
Last time I checked, it plays by PvE rules, because . . . it’s also PvE?
it doesn’t know what it is and that;s why it blows so much. the mobs and nodes should be removed and balance should be added.
anyway your defense is really failing so you should probably just give up. wvwvw is primarily a pvp zone and always will be despite the random pve elements that make no sense.
. . . you listed WvW as PvP and not WvW and then decided to skewer me over me calling WvW “PvP” as you did before you suddenly changed the term up just to laugh.
If I act defensible it’s because you went and swapped my Coke for Diet Coke and laughed that I must have poured Diet Coke for myself when I didn’t like it.
pvp means player vs player. please explain how wvwvw is not pvp.
There is a section of the game marked “PvP”, there is a section marked “WvWvW” which is usually shortened to “WvW”. So far in talking with people, they have been content to call “WvW” by that and “PvP” is reserved for that section. You know, “Heart of the Mists” in-game.
there is a section called structured pvp and one called wvwvw. they are both in the pvp section of the forums because they both involve pvp. but all that aside, there’s no ascended items in spvp so that only leaves wvwvw.
just sayin.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
If you’d stop lying to your friends about what’s needed to play the game, maybe word of mouth wouldn’t be so bad. But once you say you NEED this end game gear (which you would in other games, but not in this one), then you are essentially doing the game a disservice.
BIS gear is a must in most games because of gated content. Here’s it’s a luxury and a compromise.
Maybe you should let people who play this game explain it to your friends instead.
did you even read? you DO NEED this gear for fractals.
Not for fractals < 20. You can do fractals before 20, and by the time you advanced up to level 20, you should be easily close to getting your first fractal pieces.
i wish to see you do high level fractals with no AR or just the rings.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
this argument falls flat. just because wvwvw is often 1 sided doesn’t mean you should just say “well kitten it” and not even attempt to make it balanced 1v1.
this is the logic that has given us superpowered thieves/mesmers/eles for the past 6 months.
I seem to recall ANet saying once before “we don’t try to completely balance WvW”. So they’re not attempting to make it completely balanced.
By the way, some of those “superpowered” thieves/mesmers/eles have been good pickings if I catch them roaming 1v1. Especially anywhere near a cliff.
forgive me if i don’t believe stories from the guy who thought players got equal gear in world vs world.
my main gripe is the unbalance in wvwv. i don’t care about fractals. i just want some decent pvp.
Forgive me if you used “PvP” to mean “WvW” just to trap me with that. Classy.
i thought it was obvious that world vs world was the only pvp zone with ascended gear.
Well it would be obvious except there’s already a section of the game marked "PvP’. Which is different than WvW by a not-insignificant amount.
last time i checked the wvwvw forums are in the pvp section… because you know… it’s a pvp zone…
Last time I checked, it plays by PvE rules, because . . . it’s also PvE?
it doesn’t know what it is and that;s why it blows so much. the mobs and nodes should be removed and balance should be added.
anyway your defense is really failing so you should probably just give up. wvwvw is primarily a pvp zone and always will be despite the random pve elements that make no sense.
. . . you listed WvW as PvP and not WvW and then decided to skewer me over me calling WvW “PvP” as you did before you suddenly changed the term up just to laugh.
If I act defensible it’s because you went and swapped my Coke for Diet Coke and laughed that I must have poured Diet Coke for myself when I didn’t like it.
pvp means player vs player. please explain how wvwvw is not pvp.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
If you’d stop lying to your friends about what’s needed to play the game, maybe word of mouth wouldn’t be so bad. But once you say you NEED this end game gear (which you would in other games, but not in this one), then you are essentially doing the game a disservice.
BIS gear is a must in most games because of gated content. Here’s it’s a luxury and a compromise.
Maybe you should let people who play this game explain it to your friends instead.
did you even read? you DO NEED this gear for fractals.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
i’m also not required to get exotics, or do dungeons, or level at all. if i wanted to i could stand in a field and /dance 24h a day so does that mean we shouldn’t try to fix things we find ridiculous?
That’s EXACTLY right. If you don’t find getting exotics, doing dungeons, or leveling at all to be fun, you’d be a kitten fool to waste time doing it. The simple solution…the ONLY solution…is to find something you enjoy doing and do that. And if you can’t find anything you enjoy doing, then it’s time to find another game to play. Period.
this argument falls flat. just because wvwvw is often 1 sided doesn’t mean you should just say “well kitten it” and not even attempt to make it balanced 1v1.
this is the logic that has given us superpowered thieves/mesmers/eles for the past 6 months.
I seem to recall ANet saying once before “we don’t try to completely balance WvW”. So they’re not attempting to make it completely balanced.
By the way, some of those “superpowered” thieves/mesmers/eles have been good pickings if I catch them roaming 1v1. Especially anywhere near a cliff.
forgive me if i don’t believe stories from the guy who thought players got equal gear in world vs world.
my main gripe is the unbalance in wvwv. i don’t care about fractals. i just want some decent pvp.
Forgive me if you used “PvP” to mean “WvW” just to trap me with that. Classy.
i thought it was obvious that world vs world was the only pvp zone with ascended gear.
Well it would be obvious except there’s already a section of the game marked "PvP’. Which is different than WvW by a not-insignificant amount.
last time i checked the wvwvw forums are in the pvp section… because you know… it’s a pvp zone…
Last time I checked, it plays by PvE rules, because . . . it’s also PvE?
it doesn’t know what it is and that;s why it blows so much. the mobs and nodes should be removed and balance should be added.
anyway your defense is really failing so you should probably just give up. wvwvw is primarily a pvp zone and always will be despite the random pve elements that make no sense.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
Why? So we can replace one set of complaints (time sinks) with another (nothing to do)?
Protip: you’re not required to do dailies if you don’t want to. I, myself, appreciate being rewarded for something I was going to do anyway.
i’m also not required to get exotics, or do dungeons, or level at all. if i wanted to i could stand in a field and /dance 24h a day so does that mean we shouldn’t try to fix things we find ridiculous?
your argument is terrible.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
this argument falls flat. just because wvwvw is often 1 sided doesn’t mean you should just say “well kitten it” and not even attempt to make it balanced 1v1.
this is the logic that has given us superpowered thieves/mesmers/eles for the past 6 months.
I seem to recall ANet saying once before “we don’t try to completely balance WvW”. So they’re not attempting to make it completely balanced.
By the way, some of those “superpowered” thieves/mesmers/eles have been good pickings if I catch them roaming 1v1. Especially anywhere near a cliff.
forgive me if i don’t believe stories from the guy who thought players got equal gear in world vs world.
my main gripe is the unbalance in wvwv. i don’t care about fractals. i just want some decent pvp.
Forgive me if you used “PvP” to mean “WvW” just to trap me with that. Classy.
i thought it was obvious that world vs world was the only pvp zone with ascended gear.
Well it would be obvious except there’s already a section of the game marked "PvP’. Which is different than WvW by a not-insignificant amount.
last time i checked the wvwvw forums are in the pvp section… because you know… it’s a pvp zone…
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
this argument falls flat. just because wvwvw is often 1 sided doesn’t mean you should just say “well kitten it” and not even attempt to make it balanced 1v1.
this is the logic that has given us superpowered thieves/mesmers/eles for the past 6 months.
I seem to recall ANet saying once before “we don’t try to completely balance WvW”. So they’re not attempting to make it completely balanced.
By the way, some of those “superpowered” thieves/mesmers/eles have been good pickings if I catch them roaming 1v1. Especially anywhere near a cliff.
forgive me if i don’t believe stories from the guy who thought players got equal gear in world vs world.
my main gripe is the unbalance in wvwv. i don’t care about fractals. i just want some decent pvp.
Forgive me if you used “PvP” to mean “WvW” just to trap me with that. Classy.
i thought it was obvious that world vs world was the only pvp zone with ascended gear.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
this argument falls flat. just because wvwvw is often 1 sided doesn’t mean you should just say “well kitten it” and not even attempt to make it balanced 1v1.
this is the logic that has given us superpowered thieves/mesmers/eles for the past 6 months.
I seem to recall ANet saying once before “we don’t try to completely balance WvW”. So they’re not attempting to make it completely balanced.
By the way, some of those “superpowered” thieves/mesmers/eles have been good pickings if I catch them roaming 1v1. Especially anywhere near a cliff.
forgive me if i don’t believe stories from the guy who thought players got equal gear in world vs world.
my main gripe is the unbalance in wvwv. i don’t care about fractals. i just want some decent pvp.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
Agony resistance? What about roaming in WvW? That little extra is important. You are basically gimping yourself in that respect if you don’t “choose” to do it.
Agony Resistance I’ll give you, though so far that’s sectioned off in a little corner of the game I never have to deal with, and neither does anyone else.
Roaming in WvW is subject to so many other things which feed into it that I’m not even going to get into it. Suffice it to say, if you are roaming WvW alone and have to fight more than one person, you are better off running for cover instead of fighting. And even if you have to fight one person, don’t take them on their terms, take them on yours.
this argument falls flat. just because wvwvw is often 1 sided doesn’t mean you should just say “well kitten it” and not even attempt to make it balanced 1v1.
this is the logic that has given us superpowered thieves/mesmers/eles for the past 6 months.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
For all the people who say “you don’t have to do them!1!11!!1”
Where is the choice? Anet tries to pride themselves on “choice” but why introduce something that is this important without much of it? Why is the only way of obtaining the best items in the game boring? “I can’t wait to get home so I can get my daily done so I can get an ascended piece!!” Said no one ever. What if you have two or more characters? If anything Anet should at least enlighten us on how they plan on addressing this issue.
Tell me the event you have to have ascended gear to complete, please.
Why wouldn’t you want the best gear in the game?
Answer the question, please.
I’ll answer for him:
Jade Maw within Fractals level 21+
As I understand it, Agony is an unavoidable part of this fight, so Agony Resistance is required.
As you understand it.
Do you understand you get the required gear for those levels WHILE leveling Fractals?
uh no actually you get 2 rings from fractals. that is not enough for high level fractals. you also need to run fractals without AR to get the AR.
you’ve lost.
LOL….“you’ve lost.”
Immature much?
no because he’s arguing without having any clue what he’s talking about.
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For all the people who say “you don’t have to do them!1!11!!1”
Where is the choice? Anet tries to pride themselves on “choice” but why introduce something that is this important without much of it? Why is the only way of obtaining the best items in the game boring? “I can’t wait to get home so I can get my daily done so I can get an ascended piece!!” Said no one ever. What if you have two or more characters? If anything Anet should at least enlighten us on how they plan on addressing this issue.
Tell me the event you have to have ascended gear to complete, please.
Why wouldn’t you want the best gear in the game?
Answer the question, please.
I’ll answer for him:
Jade Maw within Fractals level 21+
As I understand it, Agony is an unavoidable part of this fight, so Agony Resistance is required.
As you understand it.
Do you understand you get the required gear for those levels WHILE leveling Fractals?
uh no actually you get 2 rings from fractals. that is not enough for high level fractals. you also need to run fractals without AR to get the AR.
you’ve lost.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
For all the people who say “you don’t have to do them!1!11!!1”
Where is the choice? Anet tries to pride themselves on “choice” but why introduce something that is this important without much of it? Why is the only way of obtaining the best items in the game boring? “I can’t wait to get home so I can get my daily done so I can get an ascended piece!!” Said no one ever. What if you have two or more characters? If anything Anet should at least enlighten us on how they plan on addressing this issue.
Tell me the event you have to have ascended gear to complete, please.
Why wouldn’t you want the best gear in the game?
Answer the question, please.
fractals and pvp obviously.
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Most ppl who post or say any thing feel very strong about there views i am not an exception to this nor are you.
True. This however does not mean that the counterpart (the people that feel strongly about something post here) is also true. In fact, it is not.
I guess its just odd to me if ppl dislike the game why are they still on the forms in the first places? If you given up on it what they point of posting on it? I find ppl still like this game even with there complains and that why they stay arone here posting.
because they want to fix it…
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Since someone brought it up already, do you guys think a celestial amulet (outside of PvP) is a wise investment at all for someone who tends to change and try new ranger builds every so often?
If you change a lot celestial would totally be a good idea, will it be as awesome as another set? Probably not, but celestial gear works for literally all builds, it’s normally not the best option if you’re min/maxing but it’ll work.
hey where’s the screens of these 4k barrage hits?
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1. total lack of class balance and no change for months—> 3 classes dominate in PVP and 3 classes dominate in PVE. the classes that are bad at PVP are also bad at PVE.
2. lack of any area for relaxed PVP —> you have ZvZ or TvT. no arenas or 1v1 areas.
3. ascended gear atrociousness —> here grind for 24 months to get your gear!
4. guild missions that exclude the majority of the population—> oh you have a small guild? too bad!
this game was awesome on release and then they just went about ruining it with mind boggling patch after mind boggling patch.
i really don’t see the logic behind any of it.
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The initial cooldown on a mesmers downed skill 3 aint short. You’re lucky to get it off. And unless you’re a zerker mes, you’re not going to be dealing that sort of damage.
As with any class, to go full glass cannon you’re giving up something. That a mes is down on the ground and has the ability to still dish damage to get back up is an intended part of their build. Working as intended.
yes it is totally comparable to the 500 to 1k i do while downed in full zerk.
totally balanced! just like the rest of the mesmer class.
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my idea is a map without objectives. it’s basically empty. team size is limited to 5 players and they must be in your party. all others are hostile. no armor repairs either.
genius right?
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
this is why: 8k backstab, 4.5k surge and 7k heartseeker.
edit: oh i guess this is a dungeon thread but idc i’m leaving this here anyway.
I have no idea what kind of spec and or gear you have but methinks that damage is a problem with your gear/spec not the thief that attacked you. One of my main toons is a thief and he is not geared for glass canon (mixed valk/knight/zerk gear) build and even I can pull off those numbers (or close to them) on a toon if they’re not geared for toughenss. Normally in WvW I hit people for around 5k with backstab on average, 3.8k-4.2k for someone geared for toughness, and 7k+ for someone who is either undergeared or geared for glass canon. If the guy who hit you was indeed glass canon spec then you would have been backstabbed for more then 8k unless you are geared/speced for survivability.
This is the major gripe with thieves though. People who want to roll around in wvw and loldps without specing for defense whatsoever. Then when a thief comes around and they get destroyed like a paperdoll. Then they come on these forums and complain about whatever class that destroyed them and say how OP they are and how they need to be nerfed, classic.
everything in this post is just wrong.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
I thought this was a funny topic with hilarious pics, instead it’s just another “OMG I got killed, nerf that, nerf this, QQ” thread. I was even about to post some funny pics.. /sad
yes indeed it is. why? because after months of being two shotted you start to get a little annoyed with it all.
maybe you should try to play one of these neglected classes and i can guarantee you’ll be QQing right along with the rest.
Funny thing is I did. I leveled a warrior just to discover why people hate thieves so bad. You know what? I have never been killed by a glass cannon thief. And since I find eles the most annyong class I’m now leveling one in order to discover how to beat them.
This could have been such an epic thread..
no no i meant a neglected class not a warrior. do you even pvp?
A neglected class? Oh fine, so the problem is YOUR RANGER, not thieves. And nope, I don’t pvp. I wvwvw, and you?
begone thief!
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