Nothing is innovative.Its just a copy from another stuff that is changed a tiny bit to be called innovative imo in gw2’s case.The holy trinity stuff isnt innovative either.They knew certain people do not like it and its like i know A doesnt like apples now I will give B grapes.
There’s nothing quite relly innovative about gw2 is doing here.Heart quest makes me LOL!They just replaced the godkitten exclamation mark or question marks with hearts.Dungeons….meh every mmo has tha.Living story and events……..Every mmos has those just that they don’t churn it out every 2 weeks.WvW just like any pvp in any game just that is whose side has a bigger zerg wins.Spvp….Yawn.Crafting they dumbed it down.Resource gathering like finding nodes,trees and stuff are annoying.Story quests and instance at the first few levels are great until Mr.Salad head turns up.Underwater fights those are new but still yawn!!! If they add an underwater city as a next major expansion that would be great.Events……just another npc quest where you activate it by standing close to the quest/event area.
This shows how little you know about the game. Heart quests are nothing. There are 300 of them in the game, compared to 1500 dynamic events. Heart quests were added for one reason only..to keep people in the area where events spawn. That’s it. Saying that they’re like traditional quests is missing the point. And even then they’re STILL not like traditional quests. First, there are multiple ways to finish them and second they’re often finished incidentally when doing events in the areas around them.
Dynamic events are most certainly not like traditional quests. For one thing, you don’t have to talk to someone to start them. Many will start without anyone around. So not like a traditional quest. Many of them have different events that spawn out of them, depending upon whether an event is failed or if it succeeds. Again, different from a traditional quest.
In traditional quests in most games, you have a static situation during which you get a quest. That situation never changes. There’s a burning town in Rift, and that down is always burning. It’s never not burning. You can’t stop the town from burning. In Guild Wars 2, you can be in a perfectly normal town, selling, and it can be invaded and burned down. After which you can take it back and it will be rebuilt. If you can’t see the difference between this and a traditional quest, I guess there’s not much more to say.
Oh.noes!!!Stop stalking me!!! Stop attacking what i post!You said Gahena is picking out your post.Now arent you the same.
The Caek is a lie.
hahaha they should have glados chasing you around while you are “jumping” the puzzle instead of solving
Monkey on a cake? Hmm… Maybe Trahearne would be better. Oh the horror.
lol.Salad head is ebil.
There’s nothing quite relly innovative about gw2 is doing here.Heart quest makes me LOL!They just replaced the godkitten exclamation mark or question marks with hearts.Dungeons….meh every mmo has tha.Living story and events……..Every mmos has those just that they don’t churn it out every 2 weeks.WvW just like any pvp in any game just that is whose side has a bigger zerg wins.Spvp….Yawn.Crafting they dumbed it down.Resource gathering like finding nodes,trees and stuff are annoying.Story quests and instance at the first few levels are great until Mr.Salad head turns up.Underwater fights those are new but still yawn!!! If they add an underwater city as a next major expansion that would be great.Events……just another npc quest where you activate it by standing close to the quest/event area.
why don’t ya add some monkey chasing you at the back while you jump like temple run,adds more difficulty to the puzzle and kitten more people off.
Omg there is Zaitan!!!! One shot Zhaitan with a bow that shoots rainbow unicorn.Thus,a new hero and legend is born.Zhaitan was slained by a bow that shoots rainbow unicorn!
Who knows, we might actually raise good points and fresh ideas.
This is always the hope of course.
I don’t mind that Vayne has his opinions. What I do mind is that he attacks people with other opinions and calls them subjective or anything else while at the same time he does exactly the same.
If he loves GW2, that’s great for him. But he actually derails threads by methods that he accuses other people of. He then incorrectly thinks that I am defending the method itself which is not true in a lot of cases. What I really accuse him of is the pot calling the kettle black, not that he has a different opinion to mine.
There are points I wanted to discuss with him and it’s ok if it gets heated at times. It got out of hand once not too long ago and I apologised for my part in it. He didn’t. My guess is that he thinks he’s right so he the method doesn’t matter. I am not entirey convinced of that strategy.
Now before this thread gets even more derailed, I will commit to it myself. I will again stop responding to him in this thread and just speak of the topic of the thread before it goes out of control.
Anet set up GW2 with a certain idea in mind. Perhaps it’s not the same idea they started out with (see the discussions on the manifesto for that topic), but at some point the foundation was laid and the game came out. This is a year ago now.
Over 3 million people bought the game. That’s not bad I’d say. I don’t think half of them are playing anymore on a regular basis but that’s normal in my view for MMOs.
For the sake of the discussion we can exclude people who left the game and forgot about it. They are lost to the game and so be it.
Then there are people who are perfectly happy in game. My guess is, they don’t come here a whole lot.
And then there’s a big grey area. People who like this game to some degree, but varying degrees. All this for different reasons as well. Some find it too childish, some find the combat system lacking, the story telling poor, endgame missing, the game to be grindy or too easy etc etc etc. Some will say all of the above.
My guess is that the people who post here to complain generally do like something about the game and want it to go in a different direction. And at that point we are all selfish kittens. We want what we want, but why wouldn’t we?
I object to someone calling someone else selfish because they simply want something. Apparently they feel threatened by someone else’s wishes, as if them saying it will make it true and ruin their experience. Which you could call selfish at the same time.
So, I think people (and I don’t exclude myself) have a tendency to attack opinions, whereas the only thing that could be considered constructive would be to actually discuss opinions and try to understand why someone says something rather than just disagreeing with it or throwing mud. That’s why I attack method more than content, because I know opinions are opinions but they get derailed by the way people discuss rather than actually discussing things.
Ironically I find myself talking about method to people rather than content as a consequence but my point there is this: I don’t care which opinion you have. You can think GW2 is the best game ever and Anet are game gods. It’s ok to be a white knight or a fanboi. But I do find it a shame that the methods people use actually detracts from their views.
There are always exceptions, but I see that people get upset at each other more about the way they talk to each other than the actual opinion.
And so the OP here feels the philosophy behind GW2 as a game was ill conceived. Some will agree, some won’t. Bottom line is that it’s always personal.
I can only say that their current philosophy fails for me. It doesn’t keep me entertained enough to play this game as a MMO. I play it as a single player RPG that I pick up once or twice a year. If it hadn’t been named Guild Wars I probably wouldn’t have played it at all.
You speak wise words… I teared up reading this post T^T.Thumbs up!
That ain’t no joke. Everyone should read your comment slowly, and give it time to sink in. It’s kittening sad.
Yeah, someone being cooked alive hardly phases kids these days when they’re seeing people get blown to bits by their grenades in CoD and banging prostitutes in GTA.
It isn’t any different from how the world used to be.
In my opinion it’s better for someone to have an understanding of sex and violence than to be horribly shocked at 18 because they were sheltered their whole life.No doubt. I’m not really saying one should shelter their kids, God knows I wasn’t, but I do believe there should be some limitation on just what kids are watching/playing.
Yes,we shall haz more tv shows like teletubbies and play games with weapons that show rainbow effects for da kidz.
People who call Guild Wars 2 childish are probably misusing the word. A bow the shoots unicorns isn’t childish…there may be another adjective you’re looking for, but childish isn’t it. I’d call it creative…maybe artistic. My son is 25, and he liked the Dream enough to get it. He’s many things, but he’s not childish.
I think you might be confusing a style decision with what constitutes maturity. I assume some people feel unicorns are for children. I know quite a few grown people who like unicorns too.
Light be be for grown ups too. And I can also point out that many of those who crave darkness all the time are teenagers anyway.
People can call GW2 childish or anything they want.They are not misusing the word in anyway.Nobody called your child childish.
A whole lot is not subjective. It’s just not specific. It’s casual language. It means many or even a bit more than many. It’s not saying most. It’s casual language. When people are talking casually, casual language is allowed. Not every point in these conversations is going to be scientific.
Since the specific meaning of “a whole lot” depends upon the person, or the subject, it is subjective. It seems normal behaviour to speak in non specifics and generalities but that doesn’t stop it from being subjective.
Like your point about snacks and meals…the analogy doesn’t hold. This is where your opinion, which is completely subjective, starts to sound a bit disingenuous.
Thanks for not explaining why it doesn’t hold, but that’s what I’ve come to expect from you. So it’s an unsubstantiated opinion on your behalf.
And don’t turn the tables here. YOU are the one that started calling out people for being subjective. I don’t think it’s wrong to be subjective because that’s what opinions are. I am just saying that you rail on other people for being subjective but you do it yourself. I am not implying that I agree with you that subjectivity is wrong. So you are the disingenuous one here, not me. Just saying.
You have an opinion about what serious content is. But one man’s serious content is another man’s snacks. In real life, meals are important, snacks are not. In video games, you can’t really call one thing snacks and one thing meals, because there’s no nutritional value or what’s good or bad for you here. You’re simply using language as a way to dismiss the opinions of others.
In my mind, dungeons are snacks and open world content is meals.
I do agree with your point about having to do things quickly however. Which is why I’m glad achievement points mean so little.
And that’s my point, it’s all subjective. It’s my opinion and I have reasons for that opinion. Just because you have a different view doesn’t make me wrong or disingenuous. I thought it was clear it was my opinion, my view, not a general truth. That’s your own interpretation.
I see content that comes and goes as snacks, because of the duration and the fact that it doesn’t satisfy me and because it’s just a little bit at a time you need more of it more often. You would agree that the LS stuff has a higher frequency than expansions and are smaller than expansions. That’s why I see an expansion as a full meal: I can eat at my pace and feel satisfied for a while. I don’t need a new meal for a while then. It’s like ordering from the Chinese restaurant. You get a lot of variation, there’s always too much so you always have lots left over for the next day. So the analogy stands. I even gave an explanation for it.
You have a different frame of reference, but you can’t reasonably deny that from my frame of reference this analogy does make sense.
I support you Gehenna.We know who is the most subjective here and only thinks his opinion only matters.We know who doesnt like other opinions and call them subjective.We know who that contradicts every opinion he doesn’t really like.We know who who thinks all his own opinions are not subjective.
Yeh its pretty sad.Its build like this so people below the age group of 15 can play.Lill girls and boys will go awwwwwww over “A bow that shoots rainbows and unicorns”.Can.t blame Anet though,they make this game for money they couldn’t careless if its childish.They just want to keep churning out temp content so they can put those temp items in the gem shop to sell later.
What’s your age? Because I have a strong feeling you’re too young to properly enjoy games like GW2. Maybe in 10 years, once you’re 26 or older, maybe with responsibilities such as a job or your own kid, maybe then you’ll appreciate a game like this.
I did not say i didnt appreciate the game,its you who think otherwise.I think its you who have got a problem with people saying stuff about gw2 they aren’t positive.
Well, I always felt GW2 was too childish. It don’t mind so much that the game has a generally casual approach. I can play other games for the challenge, but I do find it a shame that the game itself feels so childish.
Characters all look too young
Voice acting is childish
It’s one party after another
The world doesn’t feel threatening, even in Orr
A bow that shoots rainbows and unicornsSee, people can like what they want, but for me, I need to stay away from that stuff, to be able to get something out of this game at all.
Yeh its pretty sad.Its build like this so people below the age group of 15 can play.Lill girls and boys will go awwwwwww over “A bow that shoots rainbows and unicorns”.Can.t blame Anet though,they make this game for money they couldn’t careless if its childish.They just want to keep churning out temp content so they can put those temp items in the gem shop to sell later.
4.. i have an underwater one too :X
how bout donating one for me :p
Game needs more skill customization.
80 levels of the same 5-10 weapon skills, 4 of which are actually useful gets old fast.
They are too busy with their living story crap to even care.Cuz living story = more$$$$ in the gem store
i thought we were supposed to see something big like skills for this update because its the 1y anniversary. but instead its just Anet = Oprah giving away QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEN JENNAH MINIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS! and one for you! and one for you! and you too! WOW!
if we could put gifs in here i would totally put the Oprah BEEEEEEEEES! gif.
lol
I won’t even consider this an update, its like nothing happened, but the addition of new ripoff boxes. No content was added to be experienced, no bugs been fixed, no new weapons/skills been added to every profession (as been said for some time now). Nothing. Is your gameplay plans for 2015 and we’re stuck on this festival bull**** from last year, this whole year and next year? Stop with these stupid festivals/joyful events as if it was a party every single update and nothing else but “important new gem store item been added for purchase” and talk to brainless npcs as patches content… wtkittend of content is that? Getting really annoying because i can already see what’s next update will be like and the one after AND THE ONE AFTER without even needing a crystal ball…
How on earth do you manage to apply the term party or festival to an invading army targeting most of the world?
how is that not content?
You make no senseoh c’mon now with this invading thing… its more mindless zerging with reskined enemies, same crap we’ve got since day one. Do you seriously log in and go experience this ‘new’ mindless zerging when its exactly the same crap everyone been complaining since day one? This is not new content for people to enjoy, this is same crap we had since August 28th that received tones of complains because there’s nothing challenging or rewarding, just mindless aoe/auto attack spam. Where’s the creativity in this team? Every patch is the same~ talk to npc, watch a crappy cutsceen and go spam some aoe on a ‘new’ mob they’ve added… wth is this. GW2 is turning into a huge Horde Mode title in which you buy skins with gems and go kill mindlessly with zero goal.
So true
ArenaNet has fixed and polished so much content, why are you concentrating so much on all the things they haven’t?
As far as I can tell, Anet hasn’t fixed or polished much of anything since beta. When the things they haven’t polished outnumber the things they have, people have a reason to complain. Try to find one new patch without at least 15 bugs. You can’t do it. Anet absolutely needs a Public Test Server at the moment, because apparently they are unable to test the content properly themselves. Proof of this? Look at every single patch since beta. Now go to the bugs section of the forums.
kitten right.
ArenaNet has fixed and polished so much content, why are you concentrating so much on all the things they haven’t?
Because that’s the only way they can make and justify their point.
Completely ignore all the positive aspects but point out the negatives.
You see it a lot in politics (i.e. never say nice things about your opponent) and you see it here among MMO players.
…………..Whats the point on focusing positive aspects on the game,shouldnt we be focusing on the negatives so we can improve it.I don’t get your fanboy logic.
Of course we should be. But kittening and complaining about being ‘disappointed’ about not fixing the negatives is pretty short-sighted.
You expect the world out of Anet and a 100% bug-free game (go find me a bug-free game, I dare you) and fail to see that they have done a lot in QOL improvements.
I expect them to continue to fix bugs. Some take longer than others.
So what?People cant complain about stuff they are not happy about?Is that it?If I had a dead kittenroach on my plate of food and i complained about it im short-sighted.People are not allowed to complain/criticize the game?So you would want have the whole forum dedicated omg thank you Anet.Good job anet.Wow nicely done anet.Focus on the positives all they long huh.
I bet you’re one of those people who would troll on and criticize a player in sports despite him being well above average.
“Our star baseball player is getting a hit 3 times out of 10? 70% failure?! TERRIBLE PLAYER!”
There are always time for improvement, but what we have is good now. I don’t expect Anet to stop fixing bugs. If the QOL improvements started to disappear, yeah I’d get PO’d. But we have it good and I give Anet leeway. I’m not going to pick on them because they have done a good job so far.
And there is a difference between criticism and constructive criticism. All I’m seeing is pretty generic and outlandish statements (only mesmer classis good at utility? da kitten?) on how Anet is screwing up this game. That’s not constructive.
In your eyes yeah Anet does kitten well 10/10 most of the time.If they do they wouldnt have complaint threads on their forum.Only in your eyes they have done a good job so far.
I’m far from a fanboy. You may have missed my long post on the farming nerfs awhile back, where I kittened at Anet, but also provided constructive criticism, which OP has failed to do.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Very-Disappointed/first
I’m more of a ‘reasonable’ and ‘fair’ player. If this game deserves to be criticized, then I will agree with it. But if you’re biased, unreasonable or down right clueless then I will do my best to point out what’s wrong with what you wrote.
Sure what you post is considered constructive criticism,what other people post are considered unreasonable
ArenaNet has fixed and polished so much content, why are you concentrating so much on all the things they haven’t?
Because that’s the only way they can make and justify their point.
Completely ignore all the positive aspects but point out the negatives.
You see it a lot in politics (i.e. never say nice things about your opponent) and you see it here among MMO players.
…………..Whats the point on focusing positive aspects on the game,shouldnt we be focusing on the negatives so we can improve it.I don’t get your fanboy logic.
Of course we should be. But kittening and complaining about being ‘disappointed’ about not fixing the negatives is pretty short-sighted.
You expect the world out of Anet and a 100% bug-free game (go find me a bug-free game, I dare you) and fail to see that they have done a lot in QOL improvements.
I expect them to continue to fix bugs. Some take longer than others.
So what?People cant complain about stuff they are not happy about?Is that it?If I had a dead kittenroach on my plate of food and i complained about it im short-sighted.People are not allowed to complain/criticize the game?So you would want have the whole forum dedicated omg thank you Anet.Good job anet.Wow nicely done anet.Focus on the positives all they long huh.
I bet you’re one of those people who would troll on and criticize a player in sports despite him being well above average.
“Our star baseball player is getting a hit 3 times out of 10? 70% failure?! TERRIBLE PLAYER!”
There are always time for improvement, but what we have is good now. I don’t expect Anet to stop fixing bugs. If the QOL improvements started to disappear, yeah I’d get PO’d. But we have it good and I give Anet leeway. I’m not going to pick on them because they have done a good job so far.
And there is a difference between criticism and constructive criticism. All I’m seeing is pretty generic and outlandish statements (only mesmer classis good at utility? da kitten?) on how Anet is screwing up this game. That’s not constructive.
In your eyes yeah Anet does kitten well 10/10 most of the time.If they do they wouldnt have complaint threads on their forum.Only in your eyes they have done a good job so far.
ArenaNet has fixed and polished so much content, why are you concentrating so much on all the things they haven’t?
Because that’s the only way they can make and justify their point.
Completely ignore all the positive aspects but point out the negatives.
You see it a lot in politics (i.e. never say nice things about your opponent) and you see it here among MMO players.
…………..Whats the point on focusing positive aspects on the game,shouldnt we be focusing on the negatives so we can improve it.I don’t get your fanboy logic.
Of course we should be. But kittening and complaining about being ‘disappointed’ about not fixing the negatives is pretty short-sighted.
You expect the world out of Anet and a 100% bug-free game (go find me a bug-free game, I dare you) and fail to see that they have done a lot in QOL improvements.
I expect them to continue to fix bugs. Some take longer than others.
So what?People cant complain about stuff they are not happy about?Is that it?If I had a dead kittenroach on my plate of food and i complained about it im short-sighted.People are not allowed to complain/criticize the game?So you would want have the whole forum dedicated omg thank you Anet.Good job anet.Wow nicely done anet.Focus on the positives all they long huh.
ArenaNet has fixed and polished so much content, why are you concentrating so much on all the things they haven’t?
Because that’s the only way they can make and justify their point.
Completely ignore all the positive aspects but point out the negatives.
You see it a lot in politics (i.e. never say nice things about your opponent) and you see it here among MMO players.
…………..Whats the point on focusing positive aspects on the game,shouldnt we be focusing on the negatives so we can improve it.I don’t get your fanboy logic.
ArenaNet has fixed and polished so much content, why are you concentrating so much on all the things they haven’t?
Thats the point to make them look on the things theyve missed and havent fixed
spend it so that you get reincarnated back as a filthy rich tycoon and buy up ARENA Net and give us awesome content.
I see what youre doing that ANET.You clever living story is just a joke to make the world living.You take us for fools.
What’s this to do with exclusive items returning…
living story,temporary,once in a time loot(temporary loot).Once over.No one can get it.They put gem store.tada.
I see what youre doing that ANET.You clever living story is just a joke to make the world living.You take us for fools.
You are aware that it’s possible to convert gold to gems, right? It’s not making people spend actual money on gems.
Sure you can convert gold to gems for people like you who have the patience yes,to those who don’t are coerced into spending their $ just to buy stuff of their gem store.It becomes all apparent now why they have temporary content so that certain items from the past content would end up in their gem store because players who missed the event would think they lost out and would want to buy them.The living story is just some crap just to distract you while they weave their magic around their gem store.
You’re my boyfan
Probably next year or never……..
Forget about getting you dragons anytime soon.ANET are just focused on pleasing the farming majority so they can keep the game going.I can tell you that 99% of people who post positive stuff about ANET are hard core farmers.
Use real cash ,buy exp boost and gems.Use gems to buy crafting item.Insta craft yourself to lvl80.That is what crafting do.
another guy paid by arena net or an arena net staff posting stuff on their own forumn
Arena net are only focus on living content so they can put RNG boxes more often in the gem store to make $.
Seriously why are you posting your that “its your birthday today”in the general discussion where we should be discussing about things related to the game.I couldnt give a flying kitten about your birthday.I hope this thread gets moved or locked and happy closer to death day.
Even if there is no holy trinity skills in this game.People will tend to play the holy trinity way.
i farted 3 times still havent load
Step 1:You place your hands on the mouse
Step2 :You look hardly on the screen and target your enemy until your eye wince.
Step3 :Lick your lips and move your mouse cursor to point on the enemy
Step4 :You click on your mouse to attack
Step5: Keep on clicking and attacking until the freakishly long health bar depletes
Step6: Loot drops from monster
That is how drops work my friend
it has been taken to fetch this token and dress me up pretty and mini games
Dislike:
-Living Story
-More Minigames added than actual content
-Lack of real-world threat
-Zerker Elitists
-Empty mid-high level zones
-Events that respawn after a few minutes (ex. troll in queensdale). And didnt Ree in the almighty manifesto say something that this should not happen?
-Lack of added zones
-Lack of meaningful substantial content
-Lack of solo-duo mini dungeonsSupport:
-solo/mini dungeons
-more zones, and DEs
-more personal story
-more abilities and skills
-less mini games
-less living story
Totally agree with everything that you’ve said bro.
so true.Couldnt agree more.They need to change the collect x amount of stuff for new shiny things. I think that is their way of generating content.
What do you dislike about gw2 and what kind of elements from other games that you would want to have in gw2
To sum it up the combat sucks
The art style is fantastic,the events are breathless. Im stumped and wordless to describe this game.
Lol simplesimon I dont log into the forums and make post all day I belive its you
The forum is a lie
GW2 skill system is super uber boring and that is why many people are leaving and I believe some of their staff often post stuff on forums with regular accounts to praise the crap out of their game or dumb down criticism on their game.
To be honest all of the living stories were boring and the super adventure game box was just a silly experimentation.Can we please do some more work on the boring skills system?
There seem to be more trolls……than people willing to give a chance for new ideas to make the game better.
………Your imagination is pretty limited.Hence you get bored of anything.