Guild Wars 2

Atmo.1325:

So, another hardcore vs. casual discussion. Oh, and another discussion about GW2 content grind…or content in general.

So here are a few points, or opinions, or whatever you want to interpret it as:

• I am having trouble identifying an RPG that isn’t stat based in some way, shape or form. Thus, there will always be a grind in some way. Is the goal of an “innovative” MMO to hide a grind as best as possible?

• Whether you classify yourself (or others) as casual or hardcore, what would you prefer for end game content: A stat crawl or playing dress up with the latest looks? Those seem to be the only two options for progression in the modern MMO.

You haven’t really read the whole thread haven’t you……

Vayne.8563:

xephire.8324:

Vayne.8563:

Chuo.4238:

xephire.8324:

haviz.1340:

Nikaido.3457:

It is rude but it’s also almost impossible not to when you’re in front of someone who has a 151 pages history of vehemently arguing in any thread showing any sort of criticism against anet. (what the f..? I don’t think anyone else in this whole thread has a comparable amount/omnipresence. Paid PR or you just don’t like this game as much as you pretend to and spend more time on forums than actually playing or doing other stuff in your life?)

I don’t think it’s possible to read the general discussion subsection for more than a week without developing a distaste for the One Man PR Army you represent.

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+ one more…151 pages of discussion derailment, lawyering, and quibbling. Does it for free, too. It’d be nice to just be able to have a discussion, comparison, and contrast of a few things around here without having to deal with that. Reminds me of my teenage nephew.

And yea, I’m tired enough of it that I’m actually starting to say things about it…

See I’m in the same boat as you. I’m tired of seeing posts that talk about the game in absolute terms that are simple opinions of a group of people who may or may not be a vast minority. No one really knows. Oh they’re loud. Squeaky wheel gets the grease, but it doesn’t make them right.

You can complain about me all you like, but I’m not breaking rules by contradicting people who just want to bash a game they’re no longer playing or interested in.

If you’re tired of seeing those post why don’t you retire from reading them XD

He was complaining about my posts, and that’s okay, but when I do the same it’s not. Your double standard is showing.

I’m not really sure whose double standard is showing

Vayne.8563:

Chuo.4238:

xephire.8324:

haviz.1340:

Nikaido.3457:

It is rude but it’s also almost impossible not to when you’re in front of someone who has a 151 pages history of vehemently arguing in any thread showing any sort of criticism against anet. (what the f..? I don’t think anyone else in this whole thread has a comparable amount/omnipresence. Paid PR or you just don’t like this game as much as you pretend to and spend more time on forums than actually playing or doing other stuff in your life?)

I don’t think it’s possible to read the general discussion subsection for more than a week without developing a distaste for the One Man PR Army you represent.

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+ one more…151 pages of discussion derailment, lawyering, and quibbling. Does it for free, too. It’d be nice to just be able to have a discussion, comparison, and contrast of a few things around here without having to deal with that. Reminds me of my teenage nephew.

And yea, I’m tired enough of it that I’m actually starting to say things about it…

See I’m in the same boat as you. I’m tired of seeing posts that talk about the game in absolute terms that are simple opinions of a group of people who may or may not be a vast minority. No one really knows. Oh they’re loud. Squeaky wheel gets the grease, but it doesn’t make them right.

You can complain about me all you like, but I’m not breaking rules by contradicting people who just want to bash a game they’re no longer playing or interested in.

If you’re tired of seeing those post why don’t you retire from reading them XD

Vayne.8563:

xephire.8324:

What proof do you have that 100% of your friends that said they are not coming back came back.

See I didn’t say 100% of my friends said they weren’t coming back. But I don’t need proof of something that happened TO ME. I’m relating MY experience.

Saying that any group is a majority is no longer talking for just you. You’re talking for everyone. You’re making a definitive statement.

Let’s say I said I once visited Florida, which I did. I don’t need to prove it, and I don’t care if you believe me.

But if I tell you most people who live in Michigan have visited Florida, I’d have to produce evidence because I’m making a statement which has no actual witnesses.

See you can say you don’t believe I visited Florida and that’s fine. But you’d have to call me an liar (which is also fine).

But you can’t call me a liar if I say that most people from Michigan have been to Florida, because I might well believe it. Still I’d need evidence to back it up.

:)

What proof do you have that 100% of your friends that said they are not coming back came back.

He just admitted playing this game feels like work

haviz.1340:

Nikaido.3457:

It is rude but it’s also almost impossible not to when you’re in front of someone who has a 151 pages history of vehemently arguing in any thread showing any sort of criticism against anet. (what the f..? I don’t think anyone else in this whole thread has a comparable amount/omnipresence. Paid PR or you just don’t like this game as much as you pretend to and spend more time on forums than actually playing or doing other stuff in your life?)

I don’t think it’s possible to read the general discussion subsection for more than a week without developing a distaste for the One Man PR Army you represent.

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Oh uhmm i don’t see any of my friends online at all i wonder where they get their concurrency figure from and all 5 of my guilds i join have only 1 or 2 active members left and they have 400-500 members need i show you any more screen shots?

MikaHR.1978:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Vayne.8563:

Erick Alastor.3917:

Vayne.8563:

Nope, the forum went belly up, so there’s nothing there anymore. It was gw2forum.com though, if you’re interested. And I don’t really care if you believe me or not. Your belief is not required to make something true or not true. There were enough people on these forums to remember how many threads there were about nothing to do at 80. I’m not making it up and if you don’t want to believe me, that’s perfectly fine. I’m happy with that.

No, I won’t show a friends list screenshot, because there are people in these forums immature enough to harass my friends. I’ve already been annoyed in game by people on these forums (which is fine because they’re annoying me, not anyone else). I wouldn’t subject anyone else on my friends list to some of the people who post here.

Again, if you don’t believe me, it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t change the truth one iota.

Indeed my belief is not required, but showing proofs of what you say it’s another matter if you want to clarify your point of view to the readers.
I don’t know anything about your forum, but I remember that in this forum there were VP whiners, but also a lot of people that suggested them to change their minds because this was not a WoW clone.
And about your friendlist, do as I did, no one can be arrassed in that way

First of all, the same sorts of things you see on this forum, you see on other forums. Just look at Guild Wars 2 guru if you don’t believe me. There’s negativity on forums everywhere…in most MMOs, not just Guild Wars 2.

But people really were complaining about not having anything to do. The legendary wasn’t worth going for, because it was too much of a grind for the average person, and they’d hit level 80 run some dungeons and that was it.

Remember back then there were no guaranteed daily rares from world bosses, dungeons didn’t drop the same kind of loot, even, there were no Scarlet invasions. End game back then if you were a PvE’er were dungeon runs (fractals didn’t exist either) and running around Orr doing the event chains.

For a lot of people, they were farming, but for what? They already had the highest stats…and not everyone cares about skins (my sons for example).

So, now a year later…endgame is: same dungeon runs, same running around orr doing event chains, and addition of champ trains. And for what? Gear that noone needs for anything (apparently) BUT with addition that imbalances whole game even more (sans sPvP) because of higher stats.

Nice going Vayne, youve proven the point all by yourself.

For a guy who thought he knew what this game was about (and a guy who loves quoting devs), why don’t you quote the bits about Guild Wars 2 not having an end game? Oh I see, you conveniently forget to quote the stuff that proves you wrong. I get it.

The game was advertising as having no end game and devs said directly what you’d be doing at level cap is pretty much the same stuff you’d be doing while leveling.

I didn’t just prove my point. I proved you only listen to what the devs say when they don’t deliver on their “promises”. But you ignore their promises if it suits your convenience to do so.

Ahahahahahahhahahah

I didnt mentioned endgame YOU did, and you explained quite nicely how GW2 didnt and doesnt have and endgame, and that new tier of gear is still not an endgame and therefore people you mentioned that whined about endgame STILL dont have an endgame but your plain ignorance prevents you from admitting it.

Oh, and its YOU who keep repeating that developers say a lot of stuff and that its all BS and nothing they say matters tiny bit.

Did anyone every tell you laughing at people is rude? Just curious.

You contradict yourself with almost every post and then try to pin that on me. Having fun?

Have any more pearls for us today?

Oh and he spelled ever wrongly..

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Vayne.8563:

Erick Alastor.3917:

Vayne.8563:

Nope, the forum went belly up, so there’s nothing there anymore. It was gw2forum.com though, if you’re interested. And I don’t really care if you believe me or not. Your belief is not required to make something true or not true. There were enough people on these forums to remember how many threads there were about nothing to do at 80. I’m not making it up and if you don’t want to believe me, that’s perfectly fine. I’m happy with that.

No, I won’t show a friends list screenshot, because there are people in these forums immature enough to harass my friends. I’ve already been annoyed in game by people on these forums (which is fine because they’re annoying me, not anyone else). I wouldn’t subject anyone else on my friends list to some of the people who post here.

Again, if you don’t believe me, it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t change the truth one iota.

Indeed my belief is not required, but showing proofs of what you say it’s another matter if you want to clarify your point of view to the readers.
I don’t know anything about your forum, but I remember that in this forum there were VP whiners, but also a lot of people that suggested them to change their minds because this was not a WoW clone.
And about your friendlist, do as I did, no one can be arrassed in that way

First of all, the same sorts of things you see on this forum, you see on other forums. Just look at Guild Wars 2 guru if you don’t believe me. There’s negativity on forums everywhere…in most MMOs, not just Guild Wars 2.

But people really were complaining about not having anything to do. The legendary wasn’t worth going for, because it was too much of a grind for the average person, and they’d hit level 80 run some dungeons and that was it.

Remember back then there were no guaranteed daily rares from world bosses, dungeons didn’t drop the same kind of loot, even, there were no Scarlet invasions. End game back then if you were a PvE’er were dungeon runs (fractals didn’t exist either) and running around Orr doing the event chains.

For a lot of people, they were farming, but for what? They already had the highest stats…and not everyone cares about skins (my sons for example).

So, now a year later…endgame is: same dungeon runs, same running around orr doing event chains, and addition of champ trains. And for what? Gear that noone needs for anything (apparently) BUT with addition that imbalances whole game even more (sans sPvP) because of higher stats.

Nice going Vayne, youve proven the point all by yourself.

For a guy who thought he knew what this game was about (and a guy who loves quoting devs), why don’t you quote the bits about Guild Wars 2 not having an end game? Oh I see, you conveniently forget to quote the stuff that proves you wrong. I get it.

The game was advertising as having no end game and devs said directly what you’d be doing at level cap is pretty much the same stuff you’d be doing while leveling.

I didn’t just prove my point. I proved you only listen to what the devs say when they don’t deliver on their “promises”. But you ignore their promises if it suits your convenience to do so.

Ahahahahahahhahahah

I didnt mentioned endgame YOU did, and you explained quite nicely how GW2 didnt and doesnt have and endgame, and that new tier of gear is still not an endgame and therefore people you mentioned that whined about endgame STILL dont have an endgame but your plain ignorance prevents you from admitting it.

Oh, and its YOU who keep repeating that developers say a lot of stuff and that its all BS and nothing they say matters tiny bit.

Did anyone every tell you laughing at people is rude? Just curious.

You contradict yourself with almost every post and then try to pin that on me. Having fun?

He is only laughing he didn’t type(laughing at Vayne).Therefore he is not rude.

Any idea who designed personal story?He/she is doing a poor job

Next think you know will be time gating the time you log in and play and you have to pay to play for longer hours

Yep ANET/Ncsoft are just milking off what’s left of the cow right now

Maby never?Like we will never get an expansion instead we get ascended gear.

Nope they advertised it as gear grind in the first place never as a casual game.As Vayne will say learn to read what your game is about before you buy or its your problem

Tom Gore.4035:

champ.7021:

Vayne.8563:

Funny my friends list is full of people who said 100% they’re not coming back. Most of them came back.

Odd thing that.

Yes it is odd that when Anet focuses on only one kind of player they lose part of the population and keep the other. Very odd indeed.

The problem is if they try to focus on every kind of player they aren’t actually focusing on any kind of player.

They focus on 2 very specific crowd.One that loves grind and one that loves bow that shoots rainbow unicorns.

Nothing much has changed, the whining in these forums have increased to show displeasure over Anet’s dirty way of doing things.

none of the above.

Curb your enthusiasm bro.GW2 has turned into Grind wars 2 and you haven’t missed much.

tequatl dropped me a disappointent

Tequatl dropped me a disappointment

Hit a girl’s boobs in orr for 40 times that ill do, kill 40 risen mindlessly nty….

No more farm ty.

colesy.8490:

Top PvE guild? You sound like a bunch of filthy elitists.

I challenge you to infract his post!!!

More skills OMG please!!!! More weapon skill option,more selection more combo more instanced dungeons instead of open world dungeons that are absolutely horrible.Underwater maps, ship fights with the guildies as crew…

Why not make ever end gear have the same stats as promised?They can drop magic find i’m sure they can revert the stats for ascended and legendary gear.

its still in beta, can’t judge whether its inferior yet…

cool down for lfg?ROFL.

Chuo.4238:

Knighthonor.4061:

lol but you all were against having Raids Dungeons, as if this was a better idea…

I’d love a dungeon that’s designed around a large group of people. Just not one that’s gated with gear. It should, like the existing dungeons, be accessible to anyone, no matter what they’re wearing.

And it should be challenging because it requires skill, teamwork, and planning – not just gear with bigger numbers on it (yawn…)

I’d love something like that. Instead, we get…this. Ugh…

Yeh if its an instance raid, we have more time to plan strategies with our guildies rather than with a bunch of random people all over the place and peeps guesting our servers.Good luck getting any coordination at all.All i can see is peeps kittening whose the better leader.

Vayne.8563:

Chuo.4238:

Tachenon.5270:

GuzziHero.2467:

Why didn’t Anet tell us this was coming when the game started?

Would you have bought the game if you’d known then what you know now?

Absolutely not. I really feel like they advertised one game, and delivered another.

xephire.8324:

Well Anet and the white knights of the game will tell you the game is changing to suit the needs of the player base.You can’t do anything much :/.

And here we have our case-in-point:

Vayne.8563:

OP, what makes you think Anet knew the game would be changing in this direction?

Anet launched a game with a plan…they saw that plan not working and changed their plan. Developers have to do this all the time.

Nice prediction, Xephire. I think we all saw this coming :P

By the way, changing the plan is a lot like advertising one thing, and then selling someone another. It’s not cool, unless there’s an awful lot of upfront communication. Which ArenaNet don’t do. So yea – not cool.

I never said it was cool…I only said it happens. You’re perfectly within your right to be upset about it. I count a good dozen people that post here that are upset about it. The last of the Mahicans so to speak.

It’s not going to change anything, but if it makes you feel better to come here and complain about a game that pretty much changed last November….it’s your time and energy.

It’s amazing that people are razzing me for enjoying a game I paid for and saying so, trying to make me look like there’s something wrong with me for not being unhappy.

I guess misery really does love company.

And you’re razzing us for being ungrateful for being unhappy about the game?

Mogrey.3891:

xephire.8324:

1 week!?it took me 1 day.

i craft all the mats by myself didn’t bought anything

Me too ^^

1 week!?it took me 1 day.

Zplus.4217:

Buttercup.5871:

OP, before you shout murder, check your sources. What you are stating is incorrect information.

Look at the Pax interview with Colin. It wil either be a legendary backpack or one legendary trinket. Cut it out with the pitchfork attitude and don’t believe everything you read.

Funny that’s exactly what people said when the ascended trinkets came out.

Funny that after ascended and legendary there will be an OMG tier weapon coming out.

Buttercup.5871:

OP, before you shout murder, check your sources. What you are stating is incorrect information.

Look at the Pax interview with Colin. It wil either be a legendary backpack or one legendary trinket. Cut it out with the pitchfork attitude and don’t believe everything you read.

No need to be so testy.The OP is just making a humble request not to release legendary trinkets its not shouting murder or pitchfork or anything.

Spiral Architect.6540:

xephire.8324:

why not?more content.

New tiers of gear are a very lame excuse for content.

Yep,tell it to Anet. Not my idea.Couldn’t agree more.

Yes crafting ascended items will give you months of game play,months of content!Isn’t it great ^^.You will never feel bored because you have lots of things to collect etc.On the way to getting there you can also explore their beautiful world etc etc..

Yeah don’t go for the legendary if you don’t feel like it cause it’s only for those who like tho grind stuff in game which tends to be the stand out crow in the game.But in the end a legendary weapon is just some shiny thing an artist drew.

Well Anet and the white knights of the game will tell you the game is changing to suit the needs of the player base.You can’t do anything much :/.

I don’t think ANET bends to the wishes of one person :/

Not some!! Many i think

champ.7021:

xephire.8324:

champ.7021:

Vayne.8563:

xephire.8324:

Anyway don’t show your support for ANET if you don’t like the direction they are going so they won’t make another WOW like game….

Yes this game is very much like WoW. I mean they both have swords and staffs. It must be a WoW clone.

Saying a game is like WoW doesn’t make a game like WoW. Just sayin’.

Yup i hate when people say this game is like wow. Saying that gives no context to what this game really is and if anything if this game is exactly like wow (which it isnt) at least it looks a kitten ton better.

I say its like wow-Exclamation
Expressing astonishment or admiration.I didn’t say wow clone.Learn how to read its all about the language and nuances

sorry my reading comprehension is pretty bad right now. my sincerest apologies dearest sir/ madam

Apology accepted.

Ya people like to grind for this kinda of thing am i wrong?

why not?more content.

champ.7021:

Vayne.8563:

xephire.8324:

Anyway don’t show your support for ANET if you don’t like the direction they are going so they won’t make another WOW like game….

Yes this game is very much like WoW. I mean they both have swords and staffs. It must be a WoW clone.

Saying a game is like WoW doesn’t make a game like WoW. Just sayin’.

Yup i hate when people say this game is like wow. Saying that gives no context to what this game really is and if anything if this game is exactly like wow (which it isnt) at least it looks a kitten ton better.

I say its like wow-Exclamation
Expressing astonishment or admiration.I didn’t say wow clone.Learn how to read its all about the language and nuances

Anyway don’t show your support for ANET if you don’t like the direction they are going so they won’t make another WOW like game….

Khal Drogo.9631:

JBDanger.2603:

xephire.8324:

Do what i’m doing now don’t play the game and boycott it and post on forum to vent your anger!

I pretty much have already. Basically for the last month or so, I’ve only logged in to do daily’s if that! There’s nothing here keeping my interest until new permanent areas are opened up to explore.

I will probably play once a month if Anet is lucky. Meanwhile I hear there is this amazing casual friendly card game that will blow the minds of game companys investors.

You mean heart stone?

Wow this game has serious class balance issues….

Aberrant.6749:

xephire.8324:

Aberrant.6749:

xephire.8324:

Aberrant.6749:

xephire.8324:

NO thank you.I want easy boss so that i can smash it quickly and get my loot.

Not sure if serious…

I’m dead serious

But… you already have so many of those. Does every single boss really need to be like that? Isn’t that selfish to ask? Why not have a wide spectrum of boss difficulty so that there will be something for everyone?

Yep saves time.

And makes for an extremely boring game.

Hey it is already one lol.

Aberrant.6749:

xephire.8324:

Aberrant.6749:

xephire.8324:

NO thank you.I want easy boss so that i can smash it quickly and get my loot.

Not sure if serious…

I’m dead serious

But… you already have so many of those. Does every single boss really need to be like that? Isn’t that selfish to ask? Why not have a wide spectrum of boss difficulty so that there will be something for everyone?

Yep saves time.

Charak.9761:

I got my title, and I can say this,

This is garbage, you want real raids make an instance, open-world to heavy.

Well they will tell you this,nobody plays the game anymore i don’t see anyone on maps or open world anymore. Normally people are doing instance so you wouldn’t find any people on maps.So arena net doesn’t give a bird of making instanced raids.