Guild Wars 2

What ever happened to all those people asking us to fight for first? Now that we have it, whats the deal? honestly… you tell us we need to recruit more to SoR, and fight for first, and we did exactly as asked of us, and now a bunch of people are either giving up or complaining. Kudos to everyone on JQ and BG who haven’t stopped caring, and to those who aren’t throwing blame around.

Jahn.7019:

Burl.9567:

Foghladha.2506:

P.S. SOR: Taking first place this week really would be a heck of a way to wish Roger “Oldroar” Rall happy birthday. (5/14). He may be gone but his legend lives on in all of us. Let’s make it happen

That’s actually pretty cool.

Wow, that is very very cool.

I just saw the post on the SoR community site, cool indeed.

Burl.9567:

Oresh.4729:

one of the big three is going to take a vacation in t2 soon

and looking at all this pies and score , t1 is way more balanced than the others tier.

Someone doesn’t know how glicko works…

Haha, there’s still a 100 point rating difference between T2 and T1… no ones going anywhere lol

Lets see how this week goes. Yay for long queues -.-

Boulderbolg.3460:

I am curious if the JQ or SoR communities are considering pledging to Camelot Unchained’s Kickstarter? If so, we should all go separate realms on the same server! >:)

It’d be funny if everyone ended up on the same realm by fluke.

CuddleStrike.8215:

WRONG! :P

Lol yeah you got them muddled

Veritas from HB left due to airforce
Smokee left due to real life etc.

Both are missed cries

Yeah I kinda figured I had something mixed up

acehale.6592:

Miiaah.5416:

Valneer.3854:

I’ve played WvW pretty frequently and I swear I’ve never seen this HB commander people are constantly referring too.

Maybe because he stopped playing the day after BG won, and if you were here before that, many times he would run without commander tag because he liked the 15-20 man groups that would reap havoc on zergballs and usually Waypoint port every few minutes. If you weren’t in his TS channel you wouldn’t know he and HB even existed other than where they were, things were being flipped, rapidly and efficiently. It was a style that many of us enjoyed and actually put in extra hours to be a part of because it was constant pressure and amazing battles. As went Smokee, went BG, and when he left, trying to find these type of battles and strategy are not easy to find. Heres a video of what is was like runnin with HB , has his tag on a few times and is the one on TS. The Hammer warrior you see is also a great commander and fun to run with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uLuW0hMtUo

Why did Smokee and Orcommander quite playing?

From what I understand, Smokee left due to work. I think he wen to the airforce or something iirc.

I could be mixing him up with someone else, but i think it was mentioned in one of these threads.

Xandror.2356:

As it is one of the monthlies to kill WVW invaders this month, I thought I would give it a try. I found a commander on the map and sure enough there were about 30 people following him, so I figured I had a good chance. For 20 minutes we wandered around, sometimes just stood around waiting for more people to show up. Sometimes we slaughtered some NPCs for whatever reason. Just as I was nodding off from boredom, a large enemy force showed up. Finally, I thought, some action? But no, not really, we immediately ran away. Only the people caught off guard were slaughtered (such as myself, foolishly thinking a battle was in order).

I caught up to our force which was defending a castle. About 100 invaders came and again our guys just ran away, but I stood my ground. My framerate on my high-end PC reduced to about 5 fps and I noticed about a 2 second delay between what I was doing and what my character was doing. I Was killed in what seemed like slow motion.

I am a former WoW player, I held a gladiator title and also had the “Battlemaster” achievement, so I have done my share of pvp. In 1 hour of playing WvW I did not get a single kill for my monthly, nor did I experience a moment of enjoyment. In fact I have been gaming since 1980s, and this “World Versus World” is the worst PVP game I’ve ever played. From Atari’s Warlords in 1980, to Street Fighter, to Doom to WoW I’ve never experienced PVP that was so boring, so unbalanced. A game where you would not even see an enemy for 20 minutes. A game where skill doesn’t even have the slightest influence on the outcome. A game won by whatever side decides to show up, and has more tolerence for extremely boring grinds.

I could pay some real money and join the server that was on the winning end of this. I can’t imagine it being fun, outnumbering a team 3 to 1 that just runs away anyway, but at least I would get my monthly done. If a large fight did occur it would be so laggy and sluggish I could not see it being enjoyable on any level.

You do realize WvW tends to have a lot of strategy behind it right? People are often communicating via TS, or Mumble or whatever. There are engagements you should sometimes avoid, and engagements you should go for. Especially in times where both servers are hammering on you. You cant fight everyone and succeed. You have to pick fights sometimes. WvW isn’t mindless.

Fuzzion.2504:

This week is coming to an end.

To BG and SoR, thanks for the challenges. Lookin forward to our next matchup.

Heres the Asian timezone update

Anyone else notice that this week is actually the closest the scores have been between all three servers?

Spartyr.6795:

Israel.7056:

Who’s supposed to take our place in t1? Kaineng? They’re barely winning t2 right now.

Yeah this is funny really, since you guys are currently in 2nd place, and you came in 1st just a couple weeks ago.

I don’t think anyone’s going anywhere for quite a while.

Exactly, BG is even gaining rating at the moment

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Let the 2v1 begin! They’ll do whatever they have to in order to subdue beastgate. Having fun jumping into choo mega zerg solo. My record is 23 seconds so far =D

So you were that brave soul that ran at us….

A salute to your efforts.

Honestly, the whole weapon/armour skin thing. I think people fell victim to their own self generated hype with that. They only ever said it was karma items being made available in WvW. Basically an alternative to going into the Orr temples to gain the items.

They never said it’d be unique, dungeon or racial skins. Some sites took that out of context themselves, and were edited to fix those assumptions.

The abilities were always meant to be mostly passive, and were implemented so that they would not unbalance WvW. I think what we got is good, it’s what I expected, and it doesn’t mean any individual will be overpowered for having any of the abilities. Once again, I think people built up too many unrealistic expectations in this department. Not sure what people wanted.

As for UI, the nameplate thing that many people will mention isnt such a big deal for me. I disabled enemy nameplates and only see names appear when they are close to me, and on mouse over. I don’t see a massive sea of red text.

Draygo.9473:

Quenta.2978:

I feel let down. Like dropped on my head let down.

So they removed culling and you feel

let down?

Really?

I am so excited that culling is gone. I dont understand why WvW players are not happy that culling is gone. That one line in the patch notes is bigger than all the PvE stuff for the last 3 months combined.

people tend to equate the number of individual line items to amount of work done rather than sit down and think the actual scope of the change. Completely glossing over that actual work done to get that change in place. Culling by far, has been the most technical and time consuming fix pushed to date, yet people still see it as a single line item and freak out.

jkctmc.8754:

Ethose.5694:

jkctmc.8754:

There were more changes to PvE, and sPvP than there were for WvW. I think I’m done with this game.

I’m so sick and tired of being ignored by the develepors. I don’t know why every game mode I choose in every game gets the least attention.

There were less notes but an entire WvW progression system is a huge change. Removing culling is a huge change. Those are just 2 notes.

It isn’t about how many notes there are.. it’s about what the notes are.

They shouldn’t have done anything with PvE, or sPvP. Instead all the time should have been on WvW. They’ve been working on the other two for MONTHS ignoring WvW.

Half of what they hinted at being in this patch, IS NOT.

It’s not like culling could have been any harder than creating the entire array of Fractuls, and the multiple world events, and holiday events they’ve done for the PvE crowd, or the new sPvP maps, and such.

Culling required a system rewrite, which is much more difficult and time consuming than creating a fractal. They had to change the basic way their systems send data, stream line processes, and still stay within bandwidth minimums. I’s a complex process, and is no where as easy as you seem to think it is.

jkctmc.8754:

There were more changes to PvE, and sPvP than there were for WvW. I think I’m done with this game.

I’m so sick and tired of being ignored by the develepors. I don’t know why every game mode I choose in every game gets the least attention.

Culling is one of the biggest fixes this game has seen, and is primarily a WVW benefit… and your complaining its not big enough? You have any idea the amount of work it would have taken to roll this fix out as is?

Lets see how this week goes

Jeknar.6184:

For all posts we can see that:

TC is the most loved
SoR is the most hated

Keep up the good work both of you.

We’re really good at annoying our opponents in T1

Tyaen.5148:

I forgot my own rules for forum etiquette so I update my sig.

I really miss playing, I hope ANet gets this patch right. So looking forward to playing again if they do.

You better come back, solely because your sig says you play an engi, and I want to see more fellow engis in WvW lol.

thewanderer.8561:

Score update………..

Thank you, much appreciated.

Another score update? It’s been a while

Anyone with a score update?

Proumbro.1376:

KeeZee.7312:

Someone mentions T1 without SoR and Choo zergs the forums.

WHAT?!?! Who mentioned T1 without SoR?!?!?

zergs

For the Swarm!

Need more Overlords

Aurust.8961:

FOR GRAPE JUSTICE!!!!

From SOR NA, thanks guys for the hard work you put in when we can’t. It’s massively appreciated.

Binafus.8153:

The graphs show the servers are equal in numbers.

JQ is just better.

Care to show us these graphs?

Sardonia.8196:

covenn.7165:

When this culling patch comes out, with or without the other W3 changes, there is going to be a huge influx of people on every server that will log in to check it out. I am curious as how that will effect all the matchups.

Culling may be fixed, which is a good thing, I have a feeling though that lag will just get worse. I have a fairly supped up rig and it gets quite laggy in large battles. I hope something is done with regards to that as well but we shall see i guess

This is what i’m worried about the most. Culling will be gone, but lag will persist.

wish.3102:

wondo.2870:

I think what Talentless was trying to say, but it came out wrong is that players from SoR tend to run from 1v1’s or small engagements and stick to their large groups even if the odds are fairly balanced.

OMG I totally agree with this. Every freakin time I find anyone from SOR alone I have to chase them half way across a freakin map to kill them. Like this guardian from CHOO, I chased her from outside hills all the way to this supply camp before she stopped, and the only reason she did is because some Ele from JQ showed up and knocked her down. Stop running from 1v1s please.

I’ve run into the same situation with both BG and JQ, its not just SOR. I had the same BG thief run from my engineer 4 times.

pot.6805:

Zerglings gon’ zerg – Ghandi

Just need some widow mines and you can easily deal with the zerglings :p

Dredrum.2563:

Burl.9567:

Dredrum.2563:

Kain would make for a 3 way match which we don’t have right now, you have sor players posting how they don’t care and just want to kill. So it’s a 1 v 1 where numbers win and that is it. We want a 3 way fight where the strat is put back into play.

If that is your goal, Kain isn’t going to give it to you.

Well sor sure isn’t bringing it either.

Trying playing during a different time zone then

Orikx.9671:

tkalamba.2541:

Dredrum.2563:

Jahn.7019:

Look at how close T2 is.

I bet you none of those servers wants anything to change. Too bad the populations are so skewed in T1, otherwise it would be great to have something like that here too.

Yup and only way most of think that could happen is with a different server in #3 spot.

I doubt there are any other servers in that could fill that role.

It’s going to take guilds from other servers to actively fill existing gaps. Say a few guilds looking for a challenge moved to SoR from anywhere else just to fill the troubled timeslots. It could help balance T1 to make it really close around the clock. The problem is, not many guilds are willing to make the move.

It’s beyond that though. It’s going to take guilds in non-NA time slots moving to SoR to help. I don’t know that there are that many left on other servers except Kain. Kain blew through the ranks on WM alone so there obviously isn’t many servers out there with coverage in those areas to fight them. Unless guilds from the EU server came over.

The simplest solution would be for some of the strongest timeslots of each server force balance themselves. Kain guilds moving to SoR probably wont happen. It’s going to take JQ to relinquish some of their guilds in the name of Balance, It may even take an NA guild to move from SoR into JQ to help them out in the NA. We could probably balance out T1 without having outside transfers.

Honestly, I think the responsibility for balance will fall on multiple servers. People will need to suck it up and check their egos and force balance in T1. Whether that means some guilds from JQ volunteer to move to lesser servers to round out coverage, or other guilds from other Tiers move up, close matches and balance wont happen. T2 is currently in a unique state of decent balance and close matches. They wont want to move anywhere, so it will take either a shift within T1, or T3 servers to make the move.

This will likely mean there will have to be a coordinated effort from all 3 T1 servers to shift guilds around, as we already know, some servers are stronger in different time zones (SoR in NA, JQ in Asian, BG in Euro).

Just having Kain and SoR switch places will likely not solve anything.

Dredrum.2563:

Jahn.7019:

Look at how close T2 is.

I bet you none of those servers wants anything to change. Too bad the populations are so skewed in T1, otherwise it would be great to have something like that here too.

Yup and only way most of think that could happen is with a different server in #3 spot.

I doubt there are any other servers in that could fill that role.

It’s going to take guilds from other servers to actively fill existing gaps. Say a few guilds looking for a challenge moved to SoR from anywhere else just to fill the troubled timeslots. It could help balance T1 to make it really close around the clock. The problem is, not many guilds are willing to make the move.

dirtyoldgoat.5496:

Burl.9567:

We stopped playing the ppt game early in the week knowing we weren’t going anywhere any time soon.

tkalamba.2541:

and considering were not even actively trying to gain ELO, imagine how slow a decent would be?

Jahn.7019:

but the fact the score is like this without SoR even trying,

I dont understand why you are not trying? What is the end goal of giving up?

To avoid burnout.

It’s not that we’re giving up, its just we realize, with our current coverage, theres only so far we can get, and we don’t need to stress and play 12 hours a day per player just to end up in 3rd again. Instead, our focus now is to just have fun, try and get some other guilds to move to SoR and just do what we want for the time being.

Burl.9567:

Im Not Braxton.6283:

Burl.9567:

Im Not Braxton.6283:

Xaaz.8472:

Miiaah.5416:

Fuzzion.2504:

Asian timezone domination update

And that map chat is exactly why a lot want Kain here, I would think JQ REALLY wants Kain in T1 more than anyone, when 20 mans are getting steamrolled no matter where they pop thier little heads out, yes they do get bored. Not sure about the rest of the world but Spring finally hit the Pacific Northwest in NA and that has to take a toll on numbers as well, across all servers of course but if one server has 100 extra people that is really going to effect those timezones. Is is spring in Asia?

Get over it already. Kain isn’t getting anywhere near T1 unless SOR quits completely. T2 is quite close and competitive. They are where they belong. Stop asking for other servers to do what you can’t in every single post and just live with how it is. It’s unbalanced, get over it and move on. The whole game has turned to kitten, and the constant whining in these threads is pathetic.

The gap is below 100 points already. Kain will get here.

You don’t get how the Glicko system works do you?

I get how it works. SoR is doing bad for what they have shown. Which they are losing points for it. I know once Kaineng gets close they will push even harder. SoR is starting to lose moral in my belief too. They were such a mighty server like SoS.

We are about to be losing by 90k points and we only lost 10 elo. Can you image how much we have to lose by to drop even more??? If anything, SoR will be gaining elo in a couple weeks and not losing it.

and considering were not even actively trying to gain ELO, imagine how slow a decent would be?

Johje Holan.4607:

So you need people like 7pm-12am Taipei time?

That would be 7am -noon US Eastern which is when I like to play on the weekends. Do you have queues during the week prime time US?

That is correct, we need people during that time period.

As for the second part of your question, yes, we have queues, but they are short, on average of about 5-10mins during US prime time. You should have no issues in either time slot.

EasymodeX.4062:

Help me understand how +15.712 translates to dropping rating?

The overall projected rating, we had a difference between SoR and Kaining of 101 points earlier today, its now roughly 81. Even with us gaining rating, Kaining could still overtake us simply due to the difference in gains.

DivineBeing.2086:

tkalamba.2541:

DivineBeing.2086:

I actually believe Kaineng may rise up this coming reset. SoR may be doing good now with their Glicko rating, but remember it is the weekend where half their members can stay up.

SoR’s Glicko rating will drop as the week progresses due to their overnight coverage. Kaineng’s will either remain the same or rise further due to the other two servers overnight coverage not being able to play ball with Kaineng’s.

There’s a rating difference of 101.64 so far between Kaieng and SoR. It’s not an easy gap to close in a single week.

And so it has begun, SoR dropped rating and Kaineng’s went up :o.

The difference is at around 81 points now, still some room to go either up or down, but odds are unless we start not showing up, it’d be atleast another week.

DivineBeing.2086:

Zikory.6871:

I don’t think we’ll see Kain move up relatively soon but if the scoring stays consistent inevitable.

I actually believe Kaineng may rise up this coming reset. SoR may be doing good now with their Glicko rating, but remember it is the weekend where half their members can stay up.

SoR’s Glicko rating will drop as the week progresses due to their overnight coverage. Kaineng’s will either remain the same or rise further due to the other two servers overnight coverage not being able to play ball with Kaineng’s.

There’s a rating difference of 101.64 so far between Kaieng and SoR. It’s not an easy gap to close in a single week.

Tajz.9826:

Wow unbelieable hold inside our hill on SoRBL tonight. FOO & Choo were decided to have a barbeque party both at our lord room lol.
Sadly the party had been called off as FOO decided to golem rush our BGBL garrison made us ported there to witness another awesome defense from BG at garrison

We always yelled “Bald guy (Waha Foo) is here!” and he’s like 9 life cat where ppl just put instant res necro on him :P

GJ so far guys, we’re having fun! Epic video incoming!

That was quite a drawn out battle, and we probably would not have been able to get Hills if it wasn’t for Foo drawing your attention. Well played guys.

Lets see how this week goes

Wow, I just realized we’re going to be Red next week…. I dont remember ever being red, this is going to be the biggest adjustment I’ve to make in WvW, too much being blue.

fivekiller.1432:

Proumbro.1376:

Why are you saying that I have a hidden agenda? And then you turn around and call me a cynic???

I bet you talk about me behind my back too…

And quit calling me bad, I can read between the lines you know. I wasn’t born yesterday jeeze.

You always try to make it sound like you guys are the only ones who have any skill. All this chest thumping is getting old.

You aren’t the only ones logging in every day fighting hard whether your server is ahead or not :/

I wouldnt have taken that post too literally… I’m pretty sure its a joke… Unless you are joking as well.

Pixels.6532:

3/1 – JQ/SoR/BG – Headlines! Headlines! Read all about it!

Recent spike in heart-related ER visits due to “Chest Thumping” say doctors

Scientists find key binding leads to higher K/D ratio; however, community expresses some concern over key binders’ inability to turn left, walk backward or stop “and smell the roses.”

Researchers correlate performance anxiety with Stonemist Castle, but concede “It could just be lag.”

Covenn still grumpy, study finds

Icoa commander Joker loses key confidence vote in forums, vows to review campaign and improve skill clicking.

Mist invaders generally happy with new raises, still finding other things to complain about.

SoR leaders express concern after fellow commander allegedly spent 15 minutes attempting to fire what turned out to be an enemy catapult.

Study finds recent claims of Blackgate having 45% posers to be highly inflated, numbers have held steady at 5% once Blackgate Invaders learned /pose was not an actual emote. /shrug

Mist Invaders generally confident their hopes will be dashed with March update

This is awesome haha, definitely chuckled at this

Mohmohchan.4120:

yep! i have no idea whats going on character mf bug.. pretty lucky i guess. I have twilight and kudzu on my warrior, bifrost and spark on my elem, and the 2 precursors that i just got.

Wanna give me one

Mohmohchan.4120:

thank you for the 2 precursors in 2 days. [Dawn] [Dusk] thats my 6th legendary

What? No? You’re lying surely?

2 in 2 days?

Spurnshadow.3678:

Well, I haven’t seen any specific numbers with regards to all the monies raised for transfers. I’m a very defensive person and I’ll probably get a lot of crap from my guild leader about saying anything, as we usually try to stay off the forum drama, but I just can’t help it.

So, all of the NA guilds that transferred here have paid for themselves. The Oceanics, needed a little help. All of the WvW players donated some gold freely of their own accord. What we have raised and spent is enough to transfer @40 people over, give or take depending on that days gem price. If you look at a guild the size of MERC, for example, which i think has about 400-500 members, that is helping 10% or less of them transfer.

That’s it.

That’s all.

Even the guilds that needed help farmed their kitten off to help out their own guld mates. There has not been thousands of gold spent/bought/gifts/bribes. This has all been done out of the spirit of generosity to help some of the poorer members out so they could be with their fellow guildies.

KnT, Blackgate

In all honesty, and this is coming from you opposition, this is a respectable way to handle transfers. They come on their own accord, and you help out the guys who are struggling to pay their own way over.

Resonance.4216:

joocheese.6314:

Beldar.6234:

Grats Joocheese!

Saphaire Everburn – FoE – Blackgate

Thanks!
Looking forward to getting back in the fight. I’m itching to kill me some BG! sorry, killed enough JQ to last me for a couple days. Miss killing BG since we were both in tier 2.

Before the trolls start coming out of their caves, all of this is in jest… it is both an honor and a pleasure to be fighting the two best servers in NA

Well your ppt is +75, so you should probably get in there eventually.

Most of us are still at work…

Burl.9567:

tkalamba.2541:

Burl.9567:

Thesilentflute.8761:

Kaineng gave us a better fight in T2. I don’t think you guys belong here In T1. Shape up or ship out. Cause Kainengs coming up next to knock down your doors.

edit: spelling

I don’t think you have the proper NA to compete in tier 1. WM is a great guild, but I don’t think they will be able to carry your NA deficiencies.

I think the guy you’re quoting is BG, not Kaineng

I suck at reading comprehension….

Haha no worries

Burl.9567:

Thesilentflute.8761:

Kaineng gave us a better fight in T2. I don’t think you guys belong here In T1. Shape up or ship out. Cause Kainengs coming up next to knock down your doors.

edit: spelling

I don’t think you have the proper NA to compete in tier 1. WM is a great guild, but I don’t think they will be able to carry your NA deficiencies.

I think the guy you’re quoting is BG, not Kaineng

covenn.7165:

kevinskyrider.3271:

Gratz on getting OCX SoR! Good fights.

Huh? There is OCX on SoR now? When did that happen? Source?

So far I’ve seen it mentioned earlier in this thread, been attempting to get some sort of confirmation on it.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

I would like to be the first to welcome the guild Oceanix (OCX) to SoR.

Happy hunting

When did this happen? Welcome to the team OCX