Guild Wars 2

You should w8 another 6 months for more “balance killing the game changes”. Im so happy i changed this game seriously and very sad because it was so good game..

this bug was reported a year ago and still no response.

Fighting upscaled enemies and legendary heroes is cool but when you wanna see true skill then watch some tournaments.

I think Lux has the point. Suddenly there are so many pro thieves!

jportell.2197:

This is nowhere near a bug. All it means is you should watch your opponents to see if they have any stuns or dazes on them before you go spamming more on them.

Hmm with those all animations and flashes?? Im not convinced. It promotes chain cc which is far more effective ofc

But stuns and dazes dont stack in duration anyway. These should be different control effects. The overwriting can save enemy with this type of mechanic. I think second stun or daze should be another icon effect. Chain cc is another story but your example → 4s stun overwritten by 0.5s daze is bug for me:/

Is this a bug or intended thing?

Dueling is must have on every mmorpg online. Its really weird there is no that option in gw2.

Rezz.8019:

They never said this would be a PvP patch….

True. But shaving patches should be done every two weeks and big balance patches every 1-2 months!! When ppl need to w8 4 months to read few lines of bug fixes and some “real” changes it must be a joke..

ens.9854:

Video well made. Unfortunately ppl are going to think you are trying to make some sort of statement about pistol whip.

Thanks;) Personally i dont think PW is op but ANET will split this skill anyway. The question is when thats happen.

Hi there! Its solo queue game. Watch in HD. Enjoy!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI6DB4d-YYo

standard build: 10/30/0/0/30
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vYAQNAsaVl0MpypdPx0J8PNhs9oC1Jey7BZNWmlWBaC-TsAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFNoYZxsAA

S/P is the same as warrior! but less hp and armor… There were 30 more topic about hambow opness and hs opness than PW… And ?? Justice is only point of view sadly.

S/X weaponset were pretty hard nerfed last big patch.. Everyone included devs; should be aware of that. Touching anything on thief right now would be very big joke. This topic is unwise, weird and funny towards one conquest game mode where thief is mish mash meat.

AikijinX.6258:

RedSpectrum.1975:

I was having a relatively good day til you posted that thread brother,and I don’t even SP

I’m sorry that I put a damper on your day

WonderfulCT.6278:

AikijinX.6258:

I don’t understand why most all Thief weapon sets get QQ’d and raged about. And I said “Most” not all.

Huh?

Did you not understand it that way. Let me rephrase then. “I don’t understand why most Thief weapon sets get cried over and raged about”

Because thief gameplay is very active style which is opposite to passive meta. Thats why even “pro” players whine about this class.

style.6173:

Justin ODell.9517:

@Sensotix.4106

We didn’t promise anything, we shared our high level road-map plans.

This is why we don’t like sharing dates. I know you’re waiting on things, and the wait is driving me crazy too, but saying we made promises when we clearly did not does not help get the content out sooner.

If you want greater transparency, like I do, then you must accept that dates, features, and plans are not a static promise. Things can happen to shift priorities, dates, or designs, causing things to changed, be pushed back, or accelerated.

Please stop.

/personal rant

I think what you need to understand is that there are obvious balance issues right now and people are frustrated with them. I get that ANET wants to introduce a big feature release with all the excitement of that, but in the meantime, we have smaller problems that could be dealt with now.

My recommendation to ANET is to separate the big features and the smaller changes. Help with some balance.

Its true! Some balance changes should be put with no delay!! 1-2 weeks max no longer. Current changes to wait 4-5 months are so wierd.. In this time new games can appear. Too long for this…

Senso i can feel your pain. Anet didnt response to so many topics.. This is the most wierd tactic ever exist. The bad thing is → they prolong ppl to play more this game by that tactic with nothing. Wait for the solution??. Personally i love this game mechanics but the golden fruit need some special treatment. Shame it for so long recieve none of it…

Azawrath.7304:

vrilek.4038:

10/30/30/0/0 build thief has no access to vigor. Your point of view is WvWvW i presume. Someday you will learn that d/p thief is the most difficult class to master in this game on pvp level. Thief is very weak against condies compare to other classes. Everything you said is so wrong … And PU mesmer which is banned on most 1v1 server? Where did you come from buddy?

I mistyped and i meant to say that not all thieves run 10/30/30/0/0 which means that they can have access to vigor.

Yes I’m talking about WvW.

Can’t tell if you are trolling but D/P thief is one of the easier builds in game. In any game mode in GW2. Period.

You are right, thieves are weak to conditions. Never said they weren’t. I just said that thieves have stealth as a migration to avoid getting attacked or conditions in the first place.

I originally came from Yaks Bend and then transferred to HoD. When PU mesmer first came out I was having a hard time, but I learned how they worked and used their clones against them. What makes thieves so strong is we have all the time in the world and when you realized that you will be a way better thief. I’m still working on it myself.

Maybe in dueling PU mesmers are OP because it is frowned upon to wait in stealth which is why I really don’t duel on my thief.

Also I have thought that we could be in different tiers where average skill is different, maybe we are just facing different difficulties of players which is the reason why our views are conflicting.

Dude im not trolling. If you are thinking WvW is pvp we are losing time seriously. Come try it you will realize thief is soo bottom tier unless you are reallllly pro d/p thief player..

4 months for some bug fixes,, another two to revamp 1 bleed or 4% regen or something else. Its like 1-2 dev person facing bunch of horde maniac players.. Pretty sad for the community.

Azawrath.7304:

hihey.1075:

About engis: a Engi with any skill will not have any problem in using his blocks and Invulns to avoid being backstabbed if he sees the thief avoiding his AoE. Plus, while Shadow Embrace is a good trait for condi removal, the condis put out by a nade engis are usually too many to only rely on SE for cleansing. Also, the Engi has so many interrupt skills that the thief will have a hard time against a good one. I suck as engi and made one just to understand how they work, and guess what, I melt D/P thieves.

About warriors: Their attacks are telegraphed but a D/P does not have any source of Vigor. The only way he could mitigate damage is with blinds, against which Warriors have zerker stance. Also, using hammerstun near the BP field will force a dodge from the thief, making him waste half of his Ini pool. Not to mention the #4 skill insta-aoe knockback, the #3 cripple (usually an immob) and #2 weakness are all great against D/P.

PU mesmers are a counter because if the thief is stealthed to cleanse their condis the thief will not do any damage.

Blinds not affecting D/P thieves is the most fun statement I’ve read in this thread.

Condi Necros have an istant interrupt with Doom. Again, I suck at necro but I kill so many D/P thieves with it that it’s extremely fun.

The only easy thing about D/P is chaining stealth and saying “hey look i’m stealthed you can’t kill me trolololol”. A good player will crush a D/P, period.

A D/P thief can perma stealth. Last time I checked engis do not have perma invuls so eventually the thief will get the backstabs. A thief with a brain isn’t going to stay in the AoE of the engi so there won’t be a lot of conditions to remove. And lastly if the engi wants to interrupt the thief usually they have to see them unless they are using a AoE stun.

For warrior. Now all thieves run the standard 10/30/30/0/0 so there is a chance they are running vigor traits. Secondly for a thief, stealth is a great damage migration tool (Pro Tip) Also the warrior can be stunned to prevent a combo attack or the thief can blind. Berserker stance is only a 8 second skill on a 60 second CD, gives plenty of time for the warrior to be blinded. The problem with D/P is that it is a very very forgiving build to play. So even if the thief gets stunned or immob it really doesn’t matter because they can just perma stealth and regen up to full (The warrior might also be regenerate but it was by the thief’s choice, not the warrior.) And weakness can be removed in stealth before he backstabs.

For PU mesmer: If I recall correctly, PU mesmers really only have bleeds, torment, and confusion, and maybe some others like burning but it doesn’t happen very often. Since they rely on mainly 3 conditions its very easy for a thief to either use Hide in Shadows which will remove the burning, bleed, poison, and another condition. Now they are cleansed and ready to strike again.

“Blinds not affecting D/P thieves is the most fun statement I’ve read in this thread.”
Umm haha? I really don’t see how D/P affect by blinds. Their stealth is not hit based so blinds don’t affect it. And if they need to backstab, they miss once and can just stab again since they don’t unstealth. Hence one of the reasons for the OP’s post.

10/30/30/0/0 build thief has no access to vigor. Your point of view is WvWvW i presume. Someday you will learn that d/p thief is the most difficult class to master in this game on pvp level. Thief is very weak against condies compare to other classes. Everything you said is so wrong … And PU mesmer which is banned on most 1v1 server? Where did you come from buddy?

And thats why they will be more thief nerfs! Thieves got the strongest elites and traps in tha game fellows!

Nerf thief more? Ive already quit this game till the next patch because of constant thief nerfs… Its sad that casual players rule this game..

Very true and sad. When Anet buff thief with no hidden nerfs and add more pvp options ill may come back bb.

Increasing per sec ini regen and nerfing active ini traits is direction to passive gameplay which killed the joy of pvp some time ago.

The last viable tpvp thief build will be nerfed soon. I really dont understand this.. Other gimmick more op builds were nearly untouched.. META condi spam stun will still continue. Spirit zoo spam, necors condi spamm (1 bleed less? wtf), guardian bunker, warriors nc… Personally i dont want this type of pvp, shame it has the greatest potential of all mmo games..

The problem with thief class isnt health pool or damage → its survival. After 10th Dec Thief wont be viable class on 5v5 tpvp type(only one type of pvp anyway since launch). If thieves get +20-30% dmg for all weaponsets and 20% more hp after next patch it still wont be viable class THATS THE REAL PROBLEM;)

You should play s/d thief. You have only ~25 days left, after that just reroll class;)

Ive lost the reason to play the game after reading incoming changes.. But i will w8 till 10th Dec and decide;) Till then im on break. Cheers!

On the last patch when Anet fixed para sigil which supposed to be “direct” nerf to warriors hurt thieves more!

Pistol whip: 0.5 sec stun nerf (with or without sigil)
Daze shot: 0,75 sec daze nerf (with or without sigil)
Seight of hand: 1 sec daze nerf (with sigil)
Basilisk venom: 0,5 sec stun nerf (with or without sigil)
Tactical strike: 0,5 sec daze nerf (with or without sigil)

and nerf on ls strike to steal only 1 crap buff. Where is the boonhate mechanic which was promised for thieves? What are we doing here?

The one thing that scare me its not those nerfs but the time after the patch. How much time it will take to buff thief to be viable tpvp spec again?

What about giving 1/2s cast time on shadow return but make it usable on stun??

TheBandit.7031:

I just don’t understand why the thief needs this kind of buff. This will allow them to be way more mobile too, and classes like the elementalist constantly have their mobility nerfed but thieves get it buffed. Even now there’s no one that can catch a thief or out kite them.

Nah thief will be in the worst state ever after the patch in my opinion. What thief build will be avaible on tpvp spam after changes? Please help im confused…

So Lets put these changes in one.. There will be no thieves on tpvp after the patch. Reason is simple they will lose 50% of their mobilty due to shadow return nerf as s/d s/p thief. This nerf is more blast than nerfing warrior’s healing signet by -50%hps presuming which of course not occur. Last patch cuts our boon hate skill by 50%. I really dont see the reasoning. Less mobility, joke boonhate, squishy hp, less evades, less init regen due to nerf all traits giving initiative.

Just replacing thief by ele or mesme?. And now on Hotjoins we will see some hybrids thieves doing nothing.

my thief;)

jmatb.6307:

Bad thieves will get nerfed hard, but the good ones will still be good, if not better than they were.

Good thieves already left this game sadly.. Average thieves will leave after 10th Nov.. Bad thieves will leave when they realize the pointless of thief class in tpvp spvp and pve. Very simple and true,

Its paradox absurd and so on because i love this game but that nerf will be too much… Thieves have no place anymore now!!! After the patch there is only choice reroll or quit button simple … Maybe in next year ill return but its random.. Great game indeed but those nerfs.. Anet why so much hate!!!

Im playing thief since launch but those changes will force me to reroll class or quit the game. Pvp content is really small and now there will be no thief on tpvp… Sad but true.

Acrobatics X – Assassins Reward. Increased healing scaling by 35%. Moved to Grandmaster Tier.

I dont understand. It will be scaling with healing power? So this buffs only acrobatics + shadow arts builds and settler’s, cleric’s users? Weird..

This is not pvp game.. PVE bugs were fixed right away… No love for pvp since launch im really angry kitten … Some time ago i was thinkg why so much good players left… Reason? nvm I will stay because i love this game but im going crazy ppl wake up!!!!!!!!

They should fix this first. I really dont understand the priority of bug fixes. Be back when its done… Hopefully…

cant play with this bug :/

The bug is i need to take down of 5 pieces of my gear and equip them every respawn to get 2nd and 4rd runes bonus.

They have nerfed every single viable thief pvp build this day… Thank You Anet! I can say one thing. I wish to see 1 major patch with no thieves notes, why? Because it would be the first real buff for thieves —-—>>> no nerfs.

So thats it? Few traits changes, fixes and improving tab targeting? It seems another pve big patch:/

Pvp was just an addition to gw2 since launch. I wish newcoming patch will make changes to right direction.

SoH is good in current state. I would take of 10% dmg wielding a bundle from improvisation and replace it for something like this:

options
1) stealing converts up to 3 conditions into boons
2) stealing applies random venom
3) after stealing your next attack steal health
4) stealing have chance (30%) to reduce steal cooldown by 50%

mini.6018:

vrilek.4038:

Healing signet was banned on few 1v1 private servers.. Reason?

They failed at basic math in school

Or maybe they know hs is op in practice not in theory.

Healing signet was banned on few 1v1 private servers.. Reason?

It was probably the first post about s/d thief being not op. ^^

“making the port of the sword to be horizontal”
Obviously this change will affect current gameplay by thieves but it wont be drastic.
Beside thief can port to the enemy using inf signet, shadowstep and shortbow.

Conclusion → every thief here is better. But mostly in hating on this forum. Make yourself a video fighting decent warrior/condi build and prove your epicness.

Anet should focus much more on PvP.