Guild Wars 2

I think what gw2 needs is content and mechanics that allow for skillful group content that requires people to actually work together. Right now every roll seems very similar, to the point where there are no roles just 5 players all with the same skills massing their collect strengths to over come a boss rather than each player brings something the group needs.

This leads to a everyone just do dmg and debuff the boss as much as u can and kite.

Today listening to Totalbiscuit, a game caster/review with a large gaming channel on youtube, he said something very interesting.

I quote (and probably not 100% spot on) , " I am Having some of my best times, why? Because coordinated ops with tons of your friends in a massive outfit is a ton of fun. That is what MMO’s are supposed to be about… And more often that not they arent that anymore, they seem to be more single player story based…"

When he said that I though GW2, at least the pve. That is the reason why I stopped playing the game. Most the time it seems like I am playing a single player game where the player might as well be NPC because of how little I need to interact in group with them. Even in dungeons most of the time it takes not strategy just lets throw our group at it and do the same thing we do every fight from 1-80. I miss out fitting big groups and going through the group before a fight telling each man or woman their job this fight and if not working try something else.

I think the game is at best ok. It will suffice for casual players that like to donk around around here or there but if you love MMO and they are your main game this game just doesnt cut it . The leveling and world are great but the is a really big lack of game dirrection at lvl 80.

At 80 presently you have killed the main big bad dragon, you can now pvp or grind dungeons(bad in lore and design) that to most are not that fun for pretty looking items.

nerva.7940:

actually GW2 pop has been steadily growing. most servers are full.

definitly not growing, if you’ve played the game at all the last few months its been a steady decline of less and less people on screen

Zid.4196:

Pre-80 open world PvE and WvW are the only areas GW2 can compete with WoW.

PRE-80 guild wars 2 crushes WoW, post 80 guild wars 2 didnt even show up for the match.

Qid.1937:

Apples and oranges my friend.

lol what do u consider apples to apples?

phlemhacker.1372:

I like GW2 as it is. That said though, I would give my left nut to see a Utopia campaign to GW1.

TBH I wish guild wars 2 kept everything the same up until lvl 80, but then totally ripped off WoW dungeon and raiding…evn vertical progression I miss my sweet gears

After chaining a few dungeon’s the other day I became very bored with the fights, every fight seemed so repetitive.

It usually boils down to, attack foe in melee/apply debuffs..wait until targeted dodge out kite/heal, wait till foe changes target and repeat…. (dodge aoe if there is any/if anyione goes down role to revive them)

I just feel like GW2 missed the boat on dungeon mechanics and could really improve here.

This game lacks strong boss battle mechanics both to bad dungeon design and the lack of aggro mechanics. If you want a good dungeon game this is NOT YOUR GAME. IMO GW@ has the worst dungeons in the game they are all very easy and most fights feel incredibly repetitive, plus u can zerg everything if u want to

GW2 is not for gamers it is a CASUAL SANDBOX of an MMO there is nothing to keep people who like challenges other than how long can I grind.

ANY EPICALLY challenging fight would be an improvement

In good games with good dungeons, I LOVE DUNGEONS….

In GW2 have to go open world as the dungeons are some of the worse ive played

why? They are badly designed and lack need of good mechanics that need good group cohesion to defeat, bot to mention boring as all fights are similar.

LordYz.8941:

One does not simply run on the plains of Orr.

Unless thou happen to be a guardian

maybe your server is diffrent from mine but i see less and less people every day?

1. elitism
2. demands for gearscore, dps meters just to do normal content
3. breaking up the community
4. adding a caste system to a game
5. requiring people play dungeons only to progress
6. making crafting systems even more useless after working all that time to reach max

Ok, im going to go through and explain why your wrong on each one.
1. Eliteism? yes the internet is full of dick bags stupid kitten will always happen
2.Demands gear score. There are two ways to look at this 1) either you are high enough power and the people who are rejecting you are dumb and dicks or 2) you try to jump ahead in content that you have not completed enough of the lower content to do the later stuff.(yes this is fair I dont kitten at games that make me start at level 1 and not beat the final level from the first minute of it)
3. Breaking community, I’d have to say no it doesnt as it requires coheisve guild that work together to best the dungeons that are hard and need people to be geared which is often best done by friends helping. (GW2 has the least together community ever as everything is zerg/puggable) Althought I could see how it could in some areas be playable.
4. Caste? Get real, Just because you have not completed as much content as others doesnt make you any different or less, you are just at a diffrent part of the game.
5. Not true although to get to higher dungeons (which is really the only place GS matters in well made games) it would make sense you get stronger pve stats from lower level dungeons. just like better pvp stats are gotten from pvp. Take wow for example other means such as daily farm and crafting can get you just as good items at a slower rate however which is fair as that is much easier.
6. Crafting in GW2 is the most useless i have ever seen in a game. With very little flavor items and a cosmetic only how could it get any less useful. In other games crafting items can be some of the strongest in game items. (this was your worst point)

I think vertical progression is the way to go, I think GW2 failure in end game has show this to many people.

Nothing is, and as this game flounders and WoW marches on people I think are seeing that vertical progression is still the way to go

Going to play other games because this ones end game is AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!(not really there)
SUPER REPETITIVE GAME PLAY!
-4 wep skills and 5 long cd spells super fun hour after hour?
-No progression who needs it?
-GRINDS hell ya!!!!
-no end, who needs it.
-so many bad design decisions….ya

No GW2 lack of good pve end game killed GW2, frac just a poor attempt to fix this.

GW2 would be so close to perfect(to me ) if it would have taken a page out of the book of WoW when it comes to dungeons. I dont think anyone likes the GW2 dungeons better that WoW’s (at least from what I have heard.

GW2, is by far the best mmo since Everquest? ????I disagree.

While I love the game it lacks progression in a profound manner, this is ok for people who dont play alot but for some who like the hard challenge some games offer this game doesnt hold up. It has the BEST leveling experience I have ever found!!!! But at max level the games is either FALLS HARD the dungeons are very bad, and all that is left is grind or do map complete for pve player.

Although WoW has its pitfalls it is the KING OF MMO, bar none. You can flame n disagree but player base doesnt lie.

Forget houses, Guild halls would be so much more kittenss it could be progressable from land plot to mini castle

I would like vertical progression, I never minded it. It gives me a snese of I’m alwasy gettting strong as a reward for defeating the bad guys, growing to fight the bigger bad guys. It makes the game more emersive to me and gives a good solid track to progress through. ( i dont bother with dungeons that I dont like the armor skins of theres no point)

I like power creep as it makes my dude more powerful and progesses my dude i dont see whats wrong with new content giving more power I like vertical progression. This skins only stuff has lead to dungeons and end game being no exhistant and pointless.

Why do people hate chasing gear? I like it, you do the new content and get your shinny’s as a reward and as a token that saids hey i did this. Do people just want content that is new and dont like reward i dont get it.

Omega Mayhem.7163:

Why we don’t care you are leaving…

We don’t care.

I do and anet does lol

I miss gear treadmills I alwasy liked chasing more powerful items by doing new content its what I do in mmo’s, and I have a blast doing it.

Right now im sitting in lions arch with my favorite skins and exotics at about 150 hrs played and never log on anymore.

Leiloni.7951:

Shadowlancer.7102:

Natural.7013:

More gear progression is the only way this game will last.

No you are wrong, you can add more content, meaning more PvP, more PvE, more Lore, more Events, without ever touching gear stats.

Agreed! Add more content for people to enjoy, but leave out the gear and stats out of the equation. There’s really no need for it.

DO people actually enjoy the current dungeon content?

They abandoned play because its fun because MMO’s are driven by hey I did something what do I get rewarded. It is a win win you can have fun doing the content and get a cool shinny as well. Whats the problem with rewards

Yes the zhitan fight was awful, I would have rather seen him downed not killed and later fought in an epic boss battle on the ground in the explore modes

I wouldnt mind a tread mill, im bored with the cosmetics only as my dude looks kittens and now have no reason to do dungeons.

Many people are pointing out quite rightly that GW2 has a end game profession problem. Now while I dont mind vertical progession with gear aka the treadmill, many do.

I believe a new type of progression is needed:
Idea’s so far..
1)player housing where rare items can be displayed, even tho you cant wear it people would still try for rare items to display add to the house.
2) Guild hall with the same purpose but that the whole guild would work toward adding things both purely cosmetic and functional( https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Guild-Hall-my-suggestions/first#post645949 )< my thread on this
3) Different upgrades to char skills or extra skills themselves to work for

I think all MMO are driven by progression of your hero and if there is no treadmill then some type of progressive system needs to be put in.

ps: add any other idea’s for a new progression system.

To make legendaries “legendary” it should be exceptionally hard to do not just who can farm the most.

My idea would be clear all dungeons/pve large monsters/keep the explorable 100%/ some kind of pvp(not super grind badges)/ And some balls to the wall hard boss dungeon to complete the legendary like a 2nd mystic fountain that appears after the kill completion.

Wasselin.1235:

Well it’s still not entirely clear how hard it will be to get these two ascended items. We can assume it won’t be super easy, as it is there to provide a sense of progression. It sounds like there are actually four different types of ascended gear: no-infusion slot, defensive infusion slot, offensive infusion slot, and omni-infusion slot. So it could actually be that the lesser difficulties of the new dungeon drop the no-infusion slot (or the stuff to make it) and then as you progress you get the next infusion slot up.

We also aren’t sure what will go in the infusion slot exactly. What is the difference between a defensive and offensive infusion? Infusion is described as dealing with agony— does agony lower your damage output and make you take damage? Do you have to decide between taking less damage and doing more damage? How will we obtain infusions? It sounds like their will be different qualities of infusions also: in this update they are capped at “fine.”

If we infer its easy by seeing how easy it was to get exotic’d out. I’d say every level 80 will be getting the items fairly easy if they want them

kittenido.8436:

dirtyklingon.2918:

you missed somethign important OP.

the player isn’t the hero of gw2.

traehearne is.

I agreed it seem that Traehearne is the hero and not you.

Yes he is the hero, but you are his partner “the commander” your a huge hero as well…

I enjoyed the game like most people but that said the game still has some major flaws that hopefully with community feed back will be fixed.

Am I mistaken or is this an MMO? Just because they went free to play with a cash shop model doesnt mean content should dry up so fast. I played about 150 hours and got really bored, as I dont pvp. I know I am not entitled to endless content but this is a discussion board and am pretty tired of “O well you payed 60 dollars, and you expected endgame?!?!”

Am I the only one who doesnt mind vertical progression aka treadmills?

I love doing pve its what I like. A big part of that for me was beating or trying to beat the boss encounters or dungeons in general. And I was ok with I have to do these 5 dungeons to become stronger then next five after I geared from the first. It always gave me a direction in pve, what I had to do to make my hero stronger to move to the next part of the MMO story( fighting the progressively stronger bad guys, until I killed the boss man himself).

I miss a soild progression of dungeons, at 80 I feel like I have no reason to do a dungeon if I dont find the armor pieces more visually attractive. Hell I love how my guy looks and so what now I’m done with PVE until next expansion? I’d much rather have a tread mill than what we have now.

Omega Mayhem.7163:

Turtlemilk.1064:

Xarog.3172:

The overwhelming feeling that I get when I play GW2 is that it’s a game that was released too soon.

It’s as simple as that. ArenaNet is no doubt having regrets.

People love to make this ridiculous statement. GW2 was just about as polished a release as any I have ever seen. Does it have bugs? Sure, every MMO does… even WoW which has been out for many years still has bugs.

And if they had delayed releasing it, I bet you and the guy you quoted would be first in line crying about the delay, saying ‘just release it already!’.

So that ‘it was released too soon’ is just such a tired, worn out argument that it needs to be retired.

Have you not played the dungeons? The stroy modes have decnt ok mechanics. The explorable modes are JOKES, its clear they ran out of time with mechanics and said what the hell just make them do aoe or summon adds and have lots of health, thats like 90% of the Exp modes lol. The Zhitan fight, come on turn cannon at weird angle jam fire button for 5 mins and win HAHA, this game has so much potential but was just executed bad in so many area’s, the biggest being the dungeons.

Omega Mayhem.7163:

Xarog.3172:

I had a lot of expectations for GW2…

I found the problem… but that’s YOUR problem, not the game’s.

Actaully when it becomes the players problems(many have issues with the game) it becomes the games problems because it needs people to make money and keep alive.

100% agree on the dungeons in this game. They are unfun and all few mothodically similar, every fight is deal dmg, if they come at u dodge and heal and repeat.

Bruno Sardine.2907:

Encounters in this game get easier because folks progressively get better at adding to the total dps while not dying…. not because they’re better coordinated in a team sense.

I think about boss fights like WoW’s Azuregos from Sunwell; where you had people going in and out of the real world and “demon realm” to essentially fight two different bosses at the same time that you had to kill within a few seconds of each other or else the fight would fail. Even if you have awesome gear and individual skill, a team that lacks coordination cannot finish the fight. Few of these encounters exist in GW2 and most of them aren’t actually boss encounters.

WHAT HE SAID^^^^^^^ GW2 could learn alot from wow on boss mechanics. Even with out the trinity a lot of boss mechanics could be taken from the king of MMOs

gadenp.7586:

Yes yes, dungeons are easy. Actually they are not. As many mentioned, any content gets super easy if you have a good group, fully geared, know what you are doing and have done it infinity times before.

Until, they make dungeons that can dynamicly adjust to your strengths, most content will get easier after awhile, unless they are so hard only the leet few can do them.

I dont think dungeons should be a total gear test i think they should reley more on skill (do x when boss does y) to say that yes it is ok that the dungeons are super easy because you have some gear and are level 80 is well pretty crappy. I’d go as far to say the hard modes should be hard enough where not everyone can do it on there first few trys. Because if everyone can do it then that leaves lots of good players going wow this is boring.

YES they are easily puggable at 80, should not have much problem save a few encounters. If you have a cohesive group its a faceroll……..

Renegadeimp.8439:

greg.3792:

If PvP meant something i.e. you got some reward from winning that was worth keeping I would play a lot. But no tangible rewards means no reason to play.

You dont need rewards to participate in something. Theres this little thing called fun.

YA WHEN IT IS ACTUALLY FUN!!!!! which most the time its just a grind, and this is an MMO!!!!!!!! Which means there need to be rewards attached to doing content that is how they work.

If you want to sink 200 plus grind hours of your life into the game for a red titled/ cool looking item sure. To me it is a huge joke if it were fun like random rare drops from beating really hard bosses or something fun and legendary i would try but the non-epic grindfest that currently is legendaries….no thanks

Just realized another huge problem with the game

the effort/time put in does not justify the crappy reward you get
The end game is centered around skins. But really who wants to spend hours and hours just getting skins. It feels so much better to get a power upgrade for your hard work whether it be in stats like most games or a new type of ability would be neat but insainly hard to balance implement.

Honestly i would not mind a vertical stat progression instead working my kitten off for skins.

GOSU.9574:

I am just gonna toss this in since I think more than one voice should be heard, and the OPs voice doesn’t speak for everyone.

Aspects of the game and what I like to play/enjoy will differ from other people, just as the OPs does. I know many players who like to do dungeons, who like to do completions, who like to explore, who enjoy the Personal Story, who like to Craft, who like to Gather materials. I don’t enjoy any of this, but that doesn’t make me say this game has issues keeping me entertained, or a lot of the game doesn’t peak my interest.

What I do like:

I like to level characters, learn the skills and traits for a profession, try out various builds, some copied some my own. I don’t mind doing hearts and dynamic events but they aren’t overwhelmingly exciting to me. Eventually I like getting my characters to max level, gearing them out, transmuting armor bits I like on my characters, pvping. My end game is PvP, but I have done almost nothing with it so far.

I think this game is very good overall. I think a lot of touch ups, bug fixes and balancing can take it forward.

Not every game is for every one. If you do not like enough about a game to want to play it, instead of forcing yourself or in some cases continuously posting negative posts because YOU aren’t happy, find another game. We don’t all like Monopoly, I know I don’t. Do I play Monopoly? Nope.

This not every game is for everyone idea is true, but doesnt really apply to a game that needs members to keep going. It needs to have everyone like it when a lot of people are going “games getting pretty meh” an MMO had problems

showatt.9413:

This is the biggest issue that Anet needs to address – the game is simply not rewarding enough.

You get a full set of exotic gear. Great. You should be wanting to get another. But you don’t. Because they’re all just skins, and getting one simply takes way to long.

You should be wanting to get legendaries. But you really dont. Because the requirement is way too hardcore and risky there’s no guarantee you’ll get it even if you work hard. (magic clover and the precursor anyone?)

The game’s packed with contents, but none of them had satisfactory rewards.
Wvw doesn’t give you any rewards besides badge and once again they’re all just skins.
If loot bags drop runes according to your level regularly, or if pvp actually gives you runes that can used in wvw, then people will have more things to do.

Not to mention the declining economy.

Having a server wide trading post actually destroys the economy because farming mats on higher population server is easier (due to the faster respawn rate and wvw bonus) and people transfer to high pop server like flocks because its free. Price drop like crazy and on lower pop server you only get chimp changes from going out of your way to farm. So you stop. And just spam events and buy the mats.

But then eventually you realize you can hardly do any events because there are no people to do it with because…well you’re on a lower pop server. Then you think to yourself ‘well pike this I’m doing spvp". You go to the mist and realize everyone is rolling thieve mesmer and warrior. Turn to wvw, only to find your server has no zerg and you get punished for even trying because your gear breaks. Try to change to a higher pop server but they’re all ‘full". So eventually you think to yourself, "Pike this again, I’m quitting" . After you quit, other people quit with you because there are even few players to play with.

This has happened to Henge of Denravi. It will happen to many other server if nothing is done.

YES WHAT HE SAID ^^^^^^^^^^^^ this game is just not rewarding there is no uniqueness everything is so easy to get that nothing is special. There is no challenge to work for. (legendaries being a huge grindfest and a joke)

NO GRIND? haha u made me smile

Psh if your wearing yellows your a bottom feeder exotics are pretty standard on every lvl 80 hero. The rarity in this game is a joke

The servers are dead because the pve content is dried up lol, i haven’t played in a month other than the Halloween bit. Like people have said all along there is no end game and when the majority of players are at cap there is nothing to do, just grind for the same kitten everyone has.