Guild Wars 2

glaphen.5230:

borrok.9267:

Stop feeding the troll now please. He said necro has plenty of defensive options, that’s your que to leave.

Necro have plenty of other defensive options, Plenty of fear, torment, cripple, Spectral skills and easy to gain Life Force. They can also kite with ease thanks to being able to switch between melee and range.

This is what ArmageddonAsh said 3-4 months ago, not me, so good job once again.

I should take my own advice here, but I won’t. Necros fear has a lot of CD and there is only a limited source of it. If you get caught in spec wall you probably need to either pay attention because you are autorunning or “l2p.” Torment? Did you really just say we have plenty of torment? Cripple we do have a decent amount of, if you run flesh golem even more. Unfortunately cripple doesn’t stop any class with more mobility than necro. Spec skills are a wasted utility aside from wall, if you intend on running conditions. The do nothing for damage, and the LF you get is mostly for that last resort “oh kitten a hammer warriors incoming with stability and I’m out of endurance” situation. Which will save you erm 2 hits maybe. The biggest advantage of the necros non-damage dealing conditions is one that I don’t think you even mentioned, and I won’t mention it just to see how long it takes you. The ONLY one you should have brought up in your arguments, yet didn’t.

CHIPS.6018:

glaphen.5230:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

No one still uses them ever or with all your experience with Elementalist are you telling me people use the fire line? How many signet Guardians using the 30 point grandmaster. Bear Rangers are new meta haven’t you heard?

where is this study that you have held where you have asked EVERY player what they use? Please link it, otherwise your opinions are nothing more than opinion.

As I have already said bad players using bad builds should not have a balance opinion.

So awesome players like Nemesis’ opinion DO COUNT then, right?

Good.

He said necro now sucks very very badly. Their overall damage is weaker than they were in August 2012, and this is a 100% proven fact. At the same time they didn’t get nearly enough survival buffs to make up for the loss in damage. Their also got fewer build options since they must all use Dhuumfire just to keep the fight somewhat close.

Necro in Jan 2014 is much weaker than they were on August 2012. But player combat experience in Jan 2014 is higher than they were in August 2012. And hence the differences between the combat powers at the two times are not as much.

There, happy now? An expect in the subject has spoken.

Oh BTW let me paraphrase what you said:

“As I have already said bad necros using bad builds without Dhuumfire should not have a balance opinion. Only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire.”

Yes, only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire. If a necro don’t take Dhuumfire his opinion shouldn’t count. They clearly don’t know how to play necro. >_>

How does this
As I have already said bad players using bad builds should not have a balance opinion.
Turn into
“As I have already said bad necros using bad builds without Dhuumfire should not have a balance opinion. Only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire.”
Nemesis is kitten if he honestly thinks Necromancers aren’t far stronger with condition, power and minion builds.

selan.8354:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

You ignore all the buffs and changes other classes have gotten, all the improved condition removal and everything as well.

If another class gets a buff and you do, that is depending on the buff and your build a nerf, for example – Diamond Skin change for Ele, that affects EVERY condition build in the game. Hurts Necromancers more due to the direct damage difference between say a Condi Necro and a Condi Mesmer

and how many of them “buffs” were actually FIXES….

he desperately trying to make a point that simply isnt there. war has gotten sooooo many buffs meanwhile its not even funny.it doesnt even matter what u say anymore, he will just keep trying to find something to prove his point. he refuses to accept any other opinions...only his point is right and everyone else is wrong....oh well.

Like I said his mission is to prevent a necro buff to make his own fights easier. He couldn’t care less about the truth on the necro, because he do not play as a necro and hates playing as a necro.

Here is the unfortunate part: The Anet devs are just like him. They do not play as a necro and hates playing as a necro.

How do we know this? They said so themselves. They flat out call necro boring to play in one of their older interviews. We can also see this when they spent a grand total of 30 seconds when talking about the new Signet of Vampirism in the interview.

Talking to Glaphen is just like talking to a Anet dev right now. Its is like a stone wall.

borrok.9267:

glaphen.5230:

borrok.9267:

Stop feeding the troll now please. He said necro has plenty of defensive options, that’s your que to leave.

Necro have plenty of other defensive options, Plenty of fear, torment, cripple, Spectral skills and easy to gain Life Force. They can also kite with ease thanks to being able to switch between melee and range.

This is what ArmageddonAsh said 3-4 months ago, not me, so good job once again.

I should take my own advice here, but I won’t. Necros fear has a lot of CD and there is only a limited source of it. If you get caught in spec wall you probably need to either pay attention because you are autorunning or “l2p.” Torment? Did you really just say we have plenty of torment? Cripple we do have a decent amount of, if you run flesh golem even more. Unfortunately cripple doesn’t stop any class with more mobility than necro. Spec skills are a wasted utility aside from wall, if you intend on running conditions. The do nothing for damage, and the LF you get is mostly for that last resort “oh kitten a hammer warriors incoming with stability and I’m out of endurance” situation. Which will save you erm 2 hits maybe. The biggest advantage of the necros non-damage dealing conditions is one that I don’t think you even mentioned, and I won’t mention it just to see how long it takes you. The ONLY one you should have brought up in your arguments, yet didn’t.

Once again you can’t read
This is what ArmageddonAsh said 3-4 months ago, not me, so good job once again.
3rd times a charm?

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

borrok.9267:

Stop feeding the troll now please. He said necro has plenty of defensive options, that’s your que to leave.

Necro have plenty of other defensive options, Plenty of fear, torment, cripple, Spectral skills and easy to gain Life Force. They can also kite with ease thanks to being able to switch between melee and range.

This is what ArmageddonAsh said 3-4 months ago, not me, so good job once again.

Jesus, 3-4 MONTHS ago, what is it that you are STILL not understanding that the classes CHANGE. Sorry but you insist on saying SO many moronic things that you are nothing more than a troll that is worth no ones time at all.

Seriously, 4 month old quote in a game that has updates, balancing, buffs and nerfs how often? And poor little you think that a class that was overpowered back then still is, sad. Very sad.

I already listed all the changes and explained how Necromancers have only been buffed since you made all these posts about Necromancers being overpowered. Warriors and Thieves are the only things I see you complain about on the forum and they have both been nerfed since then.

CHIPS.6018:

selan.8354:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

You ignore all the buffs and changes other classes have gotten, all the improved condition removal and everything as well.

If another class gets a buff and you do, that is depending on the buff and your build a nerf, for example – Diamond Skin change for Ele, that affects EVERY condition build in the game. Hurts Necromancers more due to the direct damage difference between say a Condi Necro and a Condi Mesmer

and how many of them “buffs” were actually FIXES….

he desperately trying to make a point that simply isnt there. war has gotten sooooo many buffs meanwhile its not even funny.it doesnt even matter what u say anymore, he will just keep trying to find something to prove his point. he refuses to accept any other opinions...only his point is right and everyone else is wrong....oh well.

Like I said his mission is to prevent a necro buff to make his own fights easier. He couldn’t care less about the truth on the necro, because he do not play as a necro and hates playing as a necro.

Here is the unfortunate part. The Anet devs are just like him. They do not play as a necro and hates playing as a necro. How do we know this? They said so themselves. They flat out call necro boring to play in one of their older interviews. We can also see this when they spent a grand total of 30 seconds when talking about the new Signet of Vampirism in the interview.

Talking to Glaphen is just like talking to a Anet dev right now.

A strong class shouldn’t be buffed just because its boring. It should be made interesting and fun to play but buffing something into god mode just makes everything else more kittenty. You want to play a game with cheats on in single player be my guest but in multiplayer games one person with cheats makes the entire game kitten.

glaphen.5230:

It’s only the same 4 morons who all play Necromancer trying to defend their broken class that I have proven wrong multiple times now. As I said ArmageddonAsh you yourself were calling Necromancer overpowered 3-4 months ago and as all those patch notes listed it hasn’t been nerfed at all since then while you keep trying to say Necromancers have been stealth nerfed and all other classes stealth buffed since the patch notes don’t say kitten. If you are admitting its overpowered now then why are you defending it moron.

Only 4? We have much more than that. The whole necro community is with us. Although we are much smaller now. Most people have changed class or changed games.

CHIPS.6018:

glaphen.5230:

It’s only the same 4 morons who all play Necromancer trying to defend their broken class that I have proven wrong multiple times now. As I said ArmageddonAsh you yourself were calling Necromancer overpowered 3-4 months ago and as all those patch notes listed it hasn’t been nerfed at all since then while you keep trying to say Necromancers have been stealth nerfed and all other classes stealth buffed since the patch notes don’t say kitten. If you are admitting its overpowered now then why are you defending it moron.

Only 4? We have much more than that. The whole necro community is with us. Although we are much smaller now. Most people have changed class or changed games.

CHIPS, borrok, ArmageddonAsh and selan are the only ones posting in this thread. Whole class forum section is kittened since look at Rangers for the past year or even Thieves after anyone mentions anything ever about balance.

glaphen.5230:

How does this
As I have already said bad players using bad builds should not have a balance opinion.
Turn into
“As I have already said bad necros using bad builds without Dhuumfire should not have a balance opinion. Only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire.”
Nemesis is kitten if he honestly thinks Necromancers aren’t far stronger with condition, power and minion builds.

You do know that quite a few builds don’t take it right? Hell mine doesn’t Why take a trait that is nothing more than 1,700 every 10 seconds when i can take a trait that increases ALL my damage by 20% when a target is under 50% health.

Over a course of a fight, Dhuumfire will be better in SOME builds, in others it simply isn’t.

at 1,700 Damage that is a DPS increase of 340dps but seeing at it has a 10 second cool down it is really 170dps. So while solid, it is nothing really that amazing. Seeing as how my Life Blasts hit for 4k+ already an extra 20% damage easily brings it past 5k and thats with my as you put it “tanky” build. Remember this is 20% damage increase to ALL my attacks as well so i can use several different combos and gain more damage than if i just used Dhuumfire.

Now i agree partially, IF you are a condition build then you fail if you don’t take it – however, not every build requires it and not every build takes it. That doesn’t mean that they are bad or anything it just means for that build, their are better options.

glaphen.5230:

CHIPS, borrok, ArmageddonAsh and selan are the only ones posting in this thread. Whole class forum section is kittened since look at Rangers for the past year or even Thieves after anyone mentions anything ever about balance.

Just curious, not been int he Necro forums then? Plenty of comments there.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

How does this
As I have already said bad players using bad builds should not have a balance opinion.
Turn into
“As I have already said bad necros using bad builds without Dhuumfire should not have a balance opinion. Only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire.”
Nemesis is kitten if he honestly thinks Necromancers aren’t far stronger with condition, power and minion builds.

You do know that quite a few builds don’t take it right? Hell mine doesn’t Why take a trait that is nothing more than 1,700 every 10 seconds when i can take a trait that increases ALL my damage by 20% when a target is under 50% health.

Over a course of a fight, Dhuumfire will be better in SOME builds, in others it simply isn’t.

at 1,700 Damage that is a DPS increase of 340dps but seeing at it has a 10 second cool down it is really 170dps. So while solid, it is nothing really that amazing. Seeing as how my Life Blasts hit for 4k+ already an extra 20% damage easily brings it past 5k and thats with my as you put it “tanky” build. Remember this is 20% damage increase to ALL my attacks as well so i can use several different combos and gain more damage than if i just used Dhuumfire.

Now i agree partially, IF you are a condition build then you fail if you don’t take it – however, not every build requires it and not every build takes it. That doesn’t mean that they are bad or anything it just means for that build, their are better options.

I do not remember ever mentioning anything about Dhuumfire in any of my posts besides the one where Tainted Shackles, Doom buff, and Spectral Wall buff were bigger buffs than Dhuumfire after it was nerfed.

glaphen.5230:

Once again you can’t read
This is what ArmageddonAsh said 3-4 months ago, not me, so good job once again.
3rd times a charm?

The key part being 3-4months ago…

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

Once again you can’t read
This is what ArmageddonAsh said 3-4 months ago, not me, so good job once again.
3rd times a charm?

The key part being 3-4months ago…

Key part being the last 2 pages of my posts.

glaphen.5230:

borrok.9267:

glaphen.5230:

borrok.9267:

Stop feeding the troll now please. He said necro has plenty of defensive options, that’s your que to leave.

Necro have plenty of other defensive options, Plenty of fear, torment, cripple, Spectral skills and easy to gain Life Force. They can also kite with ease thanks to being able to switch between melee and range.

This is what ArmageddonAsh said 3-4 months ago, not me, so good job once again.

I should take my own advice here, but I won’t. Necros fear has a lot of CD and there is only a limited source of it. If you get caught in spec wall you probably need to either pay attention because you are autorunning or “l2p.” Torment? Did you really just say we have plenty of torment? Cripple we do have a decent amount of, if you run flesh golem even more. Unfortunately cripple doesn’t stop any class with more mobility than necro. Spec skills are a wasted utility aside from wall, if you intend on running conditions. The do nothing for damage, and the LF you get is mostly for that last resort “oh kitten a hammer warriors incoming with stability and I’m out of endurance” situation. Which will save you erm 2 hits maybe. The biggest advantage of the necros non-damage dealing conditions is one that I don’t think you even mentioned, and I won’t mention it just to see how long it takes you. The ONLY one you should have brought up in your arguments, yet didn’t.

Once again you can’t read
This is what ArmageddonAsh said 3-4 months ago, not me, so good job once again.
3rd times a charm?

So basically you are saying these are no points of your own, despite arguing them?

glaphen.5230:

CHIPS.6018:

glaphen.5230:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

No one still uses them ever or with all your experience with Elementalist are you telling me people use the fire line? How many signet Guardians using the 30 point grandmaster. Bear Rangers are new meta haven’t you heard?

where is this study that you have held where you have asked EVERY player what they use? Please link it, otherwise your opinions are nothing more than opinion.

As I have already said bad players using bad builds should not have a balance opinion.

So awesome players like Nemesis’ opinion DO COUNT then, right?

Good.

He said necro now sucks very very badly. Their overall damage is weaker than they were in August 2012, and this is a 100% proven fact. At the same time they didn’t get nearly enough survival buffs to make up for the loss in damage. Their also got fewer build options since they must all use Dhuumfire just to keep the fight somewhat close.

Necro in Jan 2014 is much weaker than they were on August 2012. But player combat experience in Jan 2014 is higher than they were in August 2012. And hence the differences between the combat powers at the two times are not as much.

There, happy now? An expect in the subject has spoken.

Oh BTW let me paraphrase what you said:

“As I have already said bad necros using bad builds without Dhuumfire should not have a balance opinion. Only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire.”

Yes, only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire. If a necro don’t take Dhuumfire his opinion shouldn’t count. They clearly don’t know how to play necro. >_>

How does this
As I have already said bad players using bad builds should not have a balance opinion.
Turn into
“As I have already said bad necros using bad builds without Dhuumfire should not have a balance opinion. Only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire.”
Nemesis is kitten if he honestly thinks Necromancers aren’t far stronger with condition, power and minion builds.

Did you, who have not even gotten a necro to level 80, just called Nemesis a noob?

Good. That means we won the argument. Go tell Anet that we won and so they should buff necros now.

glaphen.5230:

I do not remember ever mentioning anything about Dhuumfire in any of my posts besides the one where Tainted Shackles, Doom buff, and Spectral Wall buff were bigger buffs than Dhuumfire after it was nerfed.

You do know that it was BECAUSE we got Dhuumfire that we got nerfs to conditions right? Rather annoying when we didn’t even ask for it, we asked for survivability and yet we got Dhuumfire and EVERYONE could see that it was simply Overpowered.

Rather than admit they were wrong, they simply nerfed everything else down assuming that EVERYONE took the trait, which of course they don’t and which then led people (condition builds mostly) to be FORCED into taking the trait due to everything being nerfed.

It was only after Dhuumfire got introduced that we started seeing Nerfs.

CHIPS.6018:

glaphen.5230:

CHIPS.6018:

glaphen.5230:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

No one still uses them ever or with all your experience with Elementalist are you telling me people use the fire line? How many signet Guardians using the 30 point grandmaster. Bear Rangers are new meta haven’t you heard?

where is this study that you have held where you have asked EVERY player what they use? Please link it, otherwise your opinions are nothing more than opinion.

As I have already said bad players using bad builds should not have a balance opinion.

So awesome players like Nemesis’ opinion DO COUNT then, right?

Good.

He said necro now sucks very very badly. Their overall damage is weaker than they were in August 2012, and this is a 100% proven fact. At the same time they didn’t get nearly enough survival buffs to make up for the loss in damage. Their also got fewer build options since they must all use Dhuumfire just to keep the fight somewhat close.

Necro in Jan 2014 is much weaker than they were on August 2012. But player combat experience in Jan 2014 is higher than they were in August 2012. And hence the differences between the combat powers at the two times are not as much.

There, happy now? An expect in the subject has spoken.

Oh BTW let me paraphrase what you said:

“As I have already said bad necros using bad builds without Dhuumfire should not have a balance opinion. Only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire.”

Yes, only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire. If a necro don’t take Dhuumfire his opinion shouldn’t count. They clearly don’t know how to play necro. >_>

How does this
As I have already said bad players using bad builds should not have a balance opinion.
Turn into
“As I have already said bad necros using bad builds without Dhuumfire should not have a balance opinion. Only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire.”
Nemesis is kitten if he honestly thinks Necromancers aren’t far stronger with condition, power and minion builds.

Did you, who have not even gotten a necro to level 80, just called Nemesis a noob?

Good. That means we won the argument. Go tell Anet that we won and so they should buff necros now.

I don’t even know who Nemesis is but he cannot be any good if he thinks Necromancer needs buffs in anywhere but PvE.

borrok.9267:

So basically you are saying these are no points of your own, despite arguing them?

He is trying to use my comments which i made months ago when Necromancer was insanely strong to say that they don’t need buffs now. That is pretty much saying because Ele was INSANE during Beta and early release before getting nerfed into the depths of hell that they don’t need buffs now…

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

I do not remember ever mentioning anything about Dhuumfire in any of my posts besides the one where Tainted Shackles, Doom buff, and Spectral Wall buff were bigger buffs than Dhuumfire after it was nerfed.

You do know that it was BECAUSE we got Dhuumfire that we got nerfs to conditions right? Rather annoying when we didn’t even ask for it, we asked for survivability and yet we got Dhuumfire and EVERYONE could see that it was simply Overpowered.

Rather than admit they were wrong, they simply nerfed everything else down assuming that EVERYONE took the trait, which of course they don’t and which then led people (condition builds mostly) to be FORCED into taking the trait due to everything being nerfed.

It was only after Dhuumfire got introduced that we started seeing Nerfs.

It’s almost as if Dhuumfire was the only thing Necromancers received in the last 6 months, no buffs to anything but Dhuumfire right. I agree lets revert all the changes they made since July and then Necromancer will be balanced right?

glaphen.5230:

CHIPS.6018:

selan.8354:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

You ignore all the buffs and changes other classes have gotten, all the improved condition removal and everything as well.

If another class gets a buff and you do, that is depending on the buff and your build a nerf, for example – Diamond Skin change for Ele, that affects EVERY condition build in the game. Hurts Necromancers more due to the direct damage difference between say a Condi Necro and a Condi Mesmer

and how many of them “buffs” were actually FIXES….

he desperately trying to make a point that simply isnt there. war has gotten sooooo many buffs meanwhile its not even funny.it doesnt even matter what u say anymore, he will just keep trying to find something to prove his point. he refuses to accept any other opinions...only his point is right and everyone else is wrong....oh well.

Like I said his mission is to prevent a necro buff to make his own fights easier. He couldn’t care less about the truth on the necro, because he do not play as a necro and hates playing as a necro.

Here is the unfortunate part. The Anet devs are just like him. They do not play as a necro and hates playing as a necro. How do we know this? They said so themselves. They flat out call necro boring to play in one of their older interviews. We can also see this when they spent a grand total of 30 seconds when talking about the new Signet of Vampirism in the interview.

Talking to Glaphen is just like talking to a Anet dev right now.

A strong class shouldn’t be buffed just because its boring. It should be made interesting and fun to play but buffing something into god mode just makes everything else more kittenty. You want to play a game with cheats on in single player be my guest but in multiplayer games one person with cheats makes the entire game kitten.

You missed the whole point completely.

Because the Anet devs find necro so boring to play, they never bothered to spent the time to test it and balance it properly.

So being boring is a direct cause of necro’s imbalance. Get it now?

glaphen.5230:

I don’t even know who Nemesis is but he cannot be any good if he thinks Necromancer needs buffs in anywhere but PvE.

I can see why you would think this, seeing that not only have you not leveled to level 80 on a Necromancer but you have not even played WvW with it, your whole opinion of it comes from S/TPvP and bias due to how you have to fight against them.

So rather than actually play the class and see WHY it needs buffs and we are not talking Over the top, melt your face buffs we are simply talking SURVIVABILITY buffs then you will never understand anyone’s point of view simply because in WvW you fight AGAINST them (thats IF you play WvW)

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

borrok.9267:

So basically you are saying these are no points of your own, despite arguing them?

He is trying to use my comments which i made months ago when Necromancer was insanely strong to say that they don’t need buffs now. That is pretty much saying because Ele was INSANE during Beta and early release before getting nerfed into the depths of hell that they don’t need buffs now…

As I already said you made those comments 3-4 months ago and as I listed they have only been buffed since then and the only nerf at all they received was the Enfeeble trait. Warriors and Thieves received far bigger nerfs than one trait in the last 3-4 months and that is what you are always complaining about not any of the other classes right?

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

borrok.9267:

So basically you are saying these are no points of your own, despite arguing them?

He is trying to use my comments which i made months ago when Necromancer was insanely strong to say that they don’t need buffs now. That is pretty much saying because Ele was INSANE during Beta and early release before getting nerfed into the depths of hell that they don’t need buffs now…

They are nearly the same points he’s been making in cycles since the beginning. Just because he added a quote doesn’t mean he can fire and forget. It is the same thing over and over again. He goes from skill to unrelated skill calling them op, and now uses quotes from 3-4 months ago to mask his intent.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

I don’t even know who Nemesis is but he cannot be any good if he thinks Necromancer needs buffs in anywhere but PvE.

I can see why you would think this, seeing that not only have you not leveled to level 80 on a Necromancer but you have not even played WvW with it, your whole opinion of it comes from S/TPvP and bias due to how you have to fight against them.

So rather than actually play the class and see WHY it needs buffs and we are not talking Over the top, melt your face buffs we are simply talking SURVIVABILITY buffs then you will never understand anyone’s point of view simply because in WvW you fight AGAINST them (thats IF you play WvW)

Go play Thief and Warrior to 80 now so you can start having the right on an opinion on them. Go take a picture of your Spvp match wheel, I want to see if you have even played it there.

So rather than actually play the class and see WHY it needs buffs and we are not talking Over the top, melt your face buffs we are simply talking SURVIVABILITY buffs then you will never understand anyone’s point of view simply because in WvW you fight AGAINST them (thats IF you play WvW)

Same points can be made about you as usual.

glaphen.5230:

It’s almost as if Dhuumfire was the only thing Necromancers received in the last 6 months, no buffs to anything but Dhuumfire right. I agree lets revert all the changes they made since July and then Necromancer will be balanced right?

When you combine Dhuumfire which is insane in the right builds with the other changes then it is strong, the point -

We DIDN’T want it then and we DON’T want it now

We would HAPPILY have it removed, a few nerfs rolled back and given what we asked for in the first place – But this is Anet and they REFUSE to even think they could have made a mistake.

the ONLY time i can see this changing is when/if they do another Profession “this is our plan for x class” sort of thing where they go into detail about the class and explain where they would like the class to head into.

The last (and only) time they have done this was months and months ago so i think we could (i hope) see another one in the future.

CHIPS.6018:

glaphen.5230:

CHIPS.6018:

selan.8354:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

You ignore all the buffs and changes other classes have gotten, all the improved condition removal and everything as well.

If another class gets a buff and you do, that is depending on the buff and your build a nerf, for example – Diamond Skin change for Ele, that affects EVERY condition build in the game. Hurts Necromancers more due to the direct damage difference between say a Condi Necro and a Condi Mesmer

and how many of them “buffs” were actually FIXES….

he desperately trying to make a point that simply isnt there. war has gotten sooooo many buffs meanwhile its not even funny.it doesnt even matter what u say anymore, he will just keep trying to find something to prove his point. he refuses to accept any other opinions...only his point is right and everyone else is wrong....oh well.

Like I said his mission is to prevent a necro buff to make his own fights easier. He couldn’t care less about the truth on the necro, because he do not play as a necro and hates playing as a necro.

Here is the unfortunate part. The Anet devs are just like him. They do not play as a necro and hates playing as a necro. How do we know this? They said so themselves. They flat out call necro boring to play in one of their older interviews. We can also see this when they spent a grand total of 30 seconds when talking about the new Signet of Vampirism in the interview.

Talking to Glaphen is just like talking to a Anet dev right now.

A strong class shouldn’t be buffed just because its boring. It should be made interesting and fun to play but buffing something into god mode just makes everything else more kittenty. You want to play a game with cheats on in single player be my guest but in multiplayer games one person with cheats makes the entire game kitten.

You missed the whole point completely.

Because the Anet devs find necro so boring to play, they never bothered to spent the time to test it and balance it properly.

So being boring is a direct cause of necro’s imbalance. Get it now?

You are asking for buffs in all your posts, I don’t see anything wrong besides the class being boring to play. You don’t buff a class because its boring, you buff a class because its weak. If something is boring, you remake it so its fun, not buff them.

glaphen.5230:

Go play Thief and Warrior to 80 now so you can start having the right on an opinion on them. Go take a picture of your Spvp match wheel, I want to see if you have even played it there.

So rather than actually play the class and see WHY it needs buffs and we are not talking Over the top, melt your face buffs we are simply talking SURVIVABILITY buffs then you will never understand anyone’s point of view simply because in WvW you fight AGAINST them (thats IF you play WvW)

Same points can be made about you as usual.

Oh silly me, You’re the only one that doesn’t have to play a class in a mode to even understand anything about it. Unlike you i actually PLAYED both classes in WvW. So your point means nothing (again)

I have also stated that i delete characters that i know i won’t play. That’s why even after all this time i still have my Ele because even though i melt in pretty much all situations it being my first class to get to level 80 it is still pretty cool, deffo needs some tweaks though

Also, i am like Rank 17, that shows enough that i dont play S/TPvP i find it rather dull myself. Limited in what gear you can use, what builds you can use everything just feels rather limiting.

Of course i have the odd game every now and then with a friend or something but thats MAYBE once a week, if that.

Not really, seeing as i PLAY the mode i am talking about. Seeing as i am not the only one that thinks that Warrior is a bit too strong (i mean being able to our run light armor classes lol) you however, havent even played the mode with the class you are so insistent on saying is overpowered (it was yes, not anymore)

So again, unlike you i HAVE played the classes in WvW, the only classes (as mentioned before) that i havent played in WvW is Ranger and Guardian Ranger i think i could like if it was more like Hunter from World of Warcraft, i just find the pets to be rather rubbish when i am used to Hunter pets

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Go play Thief and Warrior to 80 now so you can start having the right on an opinion on them. Go take a picture of your Spvp match wheel, I want to see if you have even played it there.

So rather than actually play the class and see WHY it needs buffs and we are not talking Over the top, melt your face buffs we are simply talking SURVIVABILITY buffs then you will never understand anyone’s point of view simply because in WvW you fight AGAINST them (thats IF you play WvW)

Same points can be made about you as usual.

Oh silly me, You’re the only one that doesn’t have to play a class in a mode to even understand anything about it. Unlike you i actually PLAYED both classes in WvW. So your point means nothing (again)

I have also stated that i delete characters that i know i won’t play. That’s why even after all this time i still have my Ele because even though i melt in pretty much all situations it being my first class to get to level 80 it is still pretty cool, deffo needs some tweaks though

Also, i am like Rank 17, that shows enough that i dont play S/TPvP i find it rather dull myself. Limited in what gear you can use, what builds you can use everything just feels rather limiting.

Of course i have the odd game every now and then with a friend or something but thats MAYBE once a week, if that.

Not really, seeing as i PLAY the mode i am talking about. Seeing as i am not the only one that thinks that Warrior is a bit too strong (i mean being able to our run light armor classes lol) you however, havent even played the mode with the class you are so insistent on saying is overpowered (it was yes, not anymore)

So again, unlike you i HAVE played the classes in WvW, the only classes (as mentioned before) that i havent played in WvW is Ranger and Guardian Ranger i think i could like if it was more like Hunter from World of Warcraft, i just find the pets to be rather rubbish when i am used to Hunter pets

Playing an uplevel is not playing the class at all and if you haven’t even played the class in Spvp, that is even worse than me who has atleast played it there. You talk of limited builds and such but uplevels are the kings of that, limited builds that are 10x weaker than a level 80.

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I do not remember ever mentioning anything about Dhuumfire in any of my posts besides the one where Tainted Shackles, Doom buff, and Spectral Wall buff were bigger buffs than Dhuumfire after it was nerfed.

You do know that it was BECAUSE we got Dhuumfire that we got nerfs to conditions right? Rather annoying when we didn’t even ask for it, we asked for survivability and yet we got Dhuumfire and EVERYONE could see that it was simply Overpowered.

Rather than admit they were wrong, they simply nerfed everything else down assuming that EVERYONE took the trait, which of course they don’t and which then led people (condition builds mostly) to be FORCED into taking the trait due to everything being nerfed.

It was only after Dhuumfire got introduced that we started seeing Nerfs.

It’s almost as if Dhuumfire was the only thing Necromancers received in the last 6 months, no buffs to anything but Dhuumfire right. I agree lets revert all the changes they made since July and then Necromancer will be balanced right?

I would receive a revert of Dhuumfire with open arms. This trait should never have existed.

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I do not remember ever mentioning anything about Dhuumfire in any of my posts besides the one where Tainted Shackles, Doom buff, and Spectral Wall buff were bigger buffs than Dhuumfire after it was nerfed.

You do know that it was BECAUSE we got Dhuumfire that we got nerfs to conditions right? Rather annoying when we didn’t even ask for it, we asked for survivability and yet we got Dhuumfire and EVERYONE could see that it was simply Overpowered.

Rather than admit they were wrong, they simply nerfed everything else down assuming that EVERYONE took the trait, which of course they don’t and which then led people (condition builds mostly) to be FORCED into taking the trait due to everything being nerfed.

It was only after Dhuumfire got introduced that we started seeing Nerfs.

It’s almost as if Dhuumfire was the only thing Necromancers received in the last 6 months, no buffs to anything but Dhuumfire right. I agree lets revert all the changes they made since July and then Necromancer will be balanced right?

I would receive a revert of Dhuumfire with open arms. This trait should never have existed.

^ See. He (and i) and EVERY other Necromancer feel EXACTLY the same.

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Playing an uplevel is not playing the class at all and if you haven’t even played the class in Spvp, that is even worse than me who has atleast played it there. You talk of limited builds and such but uplevels are the kings of that, limited builds that are 10x weaker than a level 80.

You just compare:

Not playing a class to playing an upscale and say they are the same? Are you kidding me….

I have played – Mesmer, Ele, Necromancer, Ranger and Engineer in S/TPvP and like i said i find the mode to be rather rubbish, it is far to limiting. That means NOTHING, you are in the WvW forum, if you want to talk about S/TPvP go into that forum, we are here talking about balance in WvW and NOT balance from a S/TPvP standpoint.

This is part of your problem, you are looking at everything being said from a S/TPvP stand point and NOT the standpoint of which it has been meant, WvW. That is why you don’t understand just how much of what you have said is wrong because the 2 modes are VERY different.

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I don’t even know who Nemesis is but he cannot be any good if he thinks Necromancer needs buffs in anywhere but PvE.

I can see why you would think this, seeing that not only have you not leveled to level 80 on a Necromancer but you have not even played WvW with it, your whole opinion of it comes from S/TPvP and bias due to how you have to fight against them.

So rather than actually play the class and see WHY it needs buffs and we are not talking Over the top, melt your face buffs we are simply talking SURVIVABILITY buffs then you will never understand anyone’s point of view simply because in WvW you fight AGAINST them (thats IF you play WvW)

Go play Thief and Warrior to 80 now so you can start having the right on an opinion on them. Go take a picture of your Spvp match wheel, I want to see if you have even played it there.

So rather than actually play the class and see WHY it needs buffs and we are not talking Over the top, melt your face buffs we are simply talking SURVIVABILITY buffs then you will never understand anyone’s point of view simply because in WvW you fight AGAINST them (thats IF you play WvW)

Same points can be made about you as usual.

Good. My first character to level 80 in GW2 was a thief, with full exotic gear. I was there during its 24/7 stealth and culling days. I was one of those calling for it to be nerfed.

I eventually refused to use stealth at all in WvW. I call it flat out cheating. But death comes often without stealth. Trapped between cheating or losing, I changed class and went back to necromancer.

My conclusion is the same: Necro right now need buffs.

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Playing an uplevel is not playing the class at all and if you haven’t even played the class in Spvp, that is even worse than me who has atleast played it there. You talk of limited builds and such but uplevels are the kings of that, limited builds that are 10x weaker than a level 80.

You just compare:

Not playing a class to playing an upscale and say they are the same? Are you kidding me….

I have played – Mesmer, Ele, Necromancer, Ranger and Engineer in S/TPvP and like i said i find the mode to be rather rubbish, it is far to limiting. That means NOTHING, you are in the WvW forum, if you want to talk about S/TPvP go into that forum, we are here talking about balance in WvW and NOT balance from a S/TPvP standpoint.

This is part of your problem, you are looking at everything being said from a S/TPvP stand point and NOT the standpoint of which it has been meant, WvW. That is why you don’t understand just how much of what you have said is wrong because the 2 modes are VERY different.

This means your only experience at all of playing Warrior and Thief is from uplevel characters that lack stats, traits, and skills. The balance of the game is close when comparing Spvp to WvW than comparing an upleveled to an 80 in WvW.

Yes I hope the devs are listening. These people who have the entire Necromancer community behind them want Necromancers reverted back to before this patch.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-June-25th-2013/first#post2339673

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I don’t even know who Nemesis is but he cannot be any good if he thinks Necromancer needs buffs in anywhere but PvE.

I can see why you would think this, seeing that not only have you not leveled to level 80 on a Necromancer but you have not even played WvW with it, your whole opinion of it comes from S/TPvP and bias due to how you have to fight against them.

So rather than actually play the class and see WHY it needs buffs and we are not talking Over the top, melt your face buffs we are simply talking SURVIVABILITY buffs then you will never understand anyone’s point of view simply because in WvW you fight AGAINST them (thats IF you play WvW)

Go play Thief and Warrior to 80 now so you can start having the right on an opinion on them. Go take a picture of your Spvp match wheel, I want to see if you have even played it there.

So rather than actually play the class and see WHY it needs buffs and we are not talking Over the top, melt your face buffs we are simply talking SURVIVABILITY buffs then you will never understand anyone’s point of view simply because in WvW you fight AGAINST them (thats IF you play WvW)

Same points can be made about you as usual.

Good. My first character to level 80 in GW2 was a thief, with full exotic gear. I was there during its 24/7 stealth and culling days. I was one of those calling for it to be nerfed.

I eventually refused to use stealth at all in WvW. I call it flat out cheating. But death comes often without stealth. Trapped between cheating or losing, I changed class and went back to necromancer.

My conclusion is the same: Necro right now need buffs.

Your earliest posts are from last December on a Necromancer so I highly doubt your first character was Thief. Easy way to prove it would be a /age of both Necromancer and Thief.

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No one still uses them ever or with all your experience with Elementalist are you telling me people use the fire line? How many signet Guardians using the 30 point grandmaster. Bear Rangers are new meta haven’t you heard?

where is this study that you have held where you have asked EVERY player what they use? Please link it, otherwise your opinions are nothing more than opinion.

As I have already said bad players using bad builds should not have a balance opinion.

So awesome players like Nemesis’ opinion DO COUNT then, right?

Good.

He said necro now sucks very very badly. Their overall damage is weaker than they were in August 2012, and this is a 100% proven fact. At the same time they didn’t get nearly enough survival buffs to make up for the loss in damage. Their also got fewer build options since they must all use Dhuumfire just to keep the fight somewhat close.

Necro in Jan 2014 is much weaker than they were on August 2012. But player combat experience in Jan 2014 is higher than they were in August 2012. And hence the differences between the combat powers at the two times are not as much.

There, happy now? An expect in the subject has spoken.

Oh BTW let me paraphrase what you said:

“As I have already said bad necros using bad builds without Dhuumfire should not have a balance opinion. Only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire.”

Yes, only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire. If a necro don’t take Dhuumfire his opinion shouldn’t count. They clearly don’t know how to play necro. >_>

How does this
As I have already said bad players using bad builds should not have a balance opinion.
Turn into
“As I have already said bad necros using bad builds without Dhuumfire should not have a balance opinion. Only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire.”
Nemesis is kitten if he honestly thinks Necromancers aren’t far stronger with condition, power and minion builds.

Did you, who have not even gotten a necro to level 80, just called Nemesis a noob?

Good. That means we won the argument. Go tell Anet that we won and so they should buff necros now.

I don’t even know who Nemesis is but he cannot be any good if he thinks Necromancer needs buffs in anywhere but PvE.

Here, watch.

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This means your only experience at all of playing Warrior and Thief is from uplevel characters that lack stats, traits, and skills. The balance of the game is close when comparing Spvp to WvW than comparing an upleveled to an 80 in WvW.

Yes I hope the devs are listening. These people who have the entire Necromancer community behind them want Necromancers reverted back to before this patch.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-June-25th-2013/first#post2339673

where as your “experience” of the Necromancer comes from a totally different mode that is NOTHING like the one we are talking about…

So whose is worse?
Mine for playing the class in the mode we are talking
or
Yours for NOT playing the class in the mode we are talking

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Your earliest posts are from last December on a Necromancer so I highly doubt your first character was Thief. Easy way to prove it would be a /age of both Necromancer and Thief.

Right because your first comment on forums shows how long you have played?
Just so you know, i know people that have played from the beginning that have NO posts.

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Your earliest posts are from last December on a Necromancer so I highly doubt your first character was Thief. Easy way to prove it would be a /age of both Necromancer and Thief.

Right because your first comment on forums shows how long you have played?
Just so you know, i know people that have played from the beginning that have NO posts.

Obviously since I never posted on the forums till recently either? Point is its easy to prove if he screenshots a /age of both characters. I deleted my first characters too but they never got to 80.

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Obviously since I never posted on the forums till recently either? Point is its easy to prove if he screenshots a /age of both characters. I deleted my first characters too but they never got to 80.

3 of my level 80s have gotten the “Birthday” gift. I started during Beta. As you have already seen from looking through my posts show that and also shows a 5-6month gap at one point due to quitting the game for real life issues

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You ignore all the buffs and changes other classes have gotten, all the improved condition removal and everything as well.

If another class gets a buff and you do, that is depending on the buff and your build a nerf, for example – Diamond Skin change for Ele, that affects EVERY condition build in the game. Hurts Necromancers more due to the direct damage difference between say a Condi Necro and a Condi Mesmer

and how many of them “buffs” were actually FIXES….

he desperately trying to make a point that simply isnt there. war has gotten sooooo many buffs meanwhile its not even funny.it doesnt even matter what u say anymore, he will just keep trying to find something to prove his point. he refuses to accept any other opinions...only his point is right and everyone else is wrong....oh well.

Like I said his mission is to prevent a necro buff to make his own fights easier. He couldn’t care less about the truth on the necro, because he do not play as a necro and hates playing as a necro.

Here is the unfortunate part. The Anet devs are just like him. They do not play as a necro and hates playing as a necro. How do we know this? They said so themselves. They flat out call necro boring to play in one of their older interviews. We can also see this when they spent a grand total of 30 seconds when talking about the new Signet of Vampirism in the interview.

Talking to Glaphen is just like talking to a Anet dev right now.

A strong class shouldn’t be buffed just because its boring. It should be made interesting and fun to play but buffing something into god mode just makes everything else more kittenty. You want to play a game with cheats on in single player be my guest but in multiplayer games one person with cheats makes the entire game kitten.

You missed the whole point completely.

Because the Anet devs find necro so boring to play, they never bothered to spent the time to test it and balance it properly.

So being boring is a direct cause of necro’s imbalance. Get it now?

You are asking for buffs in all your posts, I don’t see anything wrong besides the class being boring to play. You don’t buff a class because its boring, you buff a class because its weak. If something is boring, you remake it so its fun, not buff them.

Wrong, yet again. I am angry at the nerfs, not the lack-of-buffs.

I am angry about many of the nerfs. But the one that stands out for me was the Mark of Blood 33% damage nerf. This was the first point I made in this whole thread.

Key here: I was talking about a nerf that was already done to the necromancer, not a lack of future buff.

I can pull out many other examples. But let’s focus on Mark of Blood. So good mister, tell me why Mark of Blood was nerfed by 33%?

I tell you right now, this is a argument you have no chance of winning. I understand necro very well, and Mark of Blood is one of the most clear example of Anet’s mistakes. There is no chance you can justify this nerf, especially since you do not even have a level 80 necro.

Even the devs gave up. Before this nerf came, I openly invited them for open conversation about it. They never replied, because they cannot justify this nerf.

I will also give you the true reason why Mark of Blood war nerfed. It is Dhuumfire.

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No one still uses them ever or with all your experience with Elementalist are you telling me people use the fire line? How many signet Guardians using the 30 point grandmaster. Bear Rangers are new meta haven’t you heard?

where is this study that you have held where you have asked EVERY player what they use? Please link it, otherwise your opinions are nothing more than opinion.

As I have already said bad players using bad builds should not have a balance opinion.

So awesome players like Nemesis’ opinion DO COUNT then, right?

Good.

He said necro now sucks very very badly. Their overall damage is weaker than they were in August 2012, and this is a 100% proven fact. At the same time they didn’t get nearly enough survival buffs to make up for the loss in damage. Their also got fewer build options since they must all use Dhuumfire just to keep the fight somewhat close.

Necro in Jan 2014 is much weaker than they were on August 2012. But player combat experience in Jan 2014 is higher than they were in August 2012. And hence the differences between the combat powers at the two times are not as much.

There, happy now? An expect in the subject has spoken.

Oh BTW let me paraphrase what you said:

“As I have already said bad necros using bad builds without Dhuumfire should not have a balance opinion. Only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire.”

Yes, only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire. If a necro don’t take Dhuumfire his opinion shouldn’t count. They clearly don’t know how to play necro. >_>

How does this
As I have already said bad players using bad builds should not have a balance opinion.
Turn into
“As I have already said bad necros using bad builds without Dhuumfire should not have a balance opinion. Only noobs don’t bring Dhuumfire.”
Nemesis is kitten if he honestly thinks Necromancers aren’t far stronger with condition, power and minion builds.

Did you, who have not even gotten a necro to level 80, just called Nemesis a noob?

Good. That means we won the argument. Go tell Anet that we won and so they should buff necros now.

I don’t even know who Nemesis is but he cannot be any good if he thinks Necromancer needs buffs in anywhere but PvE.

Here, watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zKIo4MlZ9U

I watched the first 2 minutes and he says himself this is about pvp which means not about WvW lol.

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I watched the first 2 minutes and he says himself this is about pvp which means not about WvW lol.

You do know that WvW is balanced from S/TPvP right?

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You ignore all the buffs and changes other classes have gotten, all the improved condition removal and everything as well.

If another class gets a buff and you do, that is depending on the buff and your build a nerf, for example – Diamond Skin change for Ele, that affects EVERY condition build in the game. Hurts Necromancers more due to the direct damage difference between say a Condi Necro and a Condi Mesmer

and how many of them “buffs” were actually FIXES….

he desperately trying to make a point that simply isnt there. war has gotten sooooo many buffs meanwhile its not even funny.it doesnt even matter what u say anymore, he will just keep trying to find something to prove his point. he refuses to accept any other opinions...only his point is right and everyone else is wrong....oh well.

Like I said his mission is to prevent a necro buff to make his own fights easier. He couldn’t care less about the truth on the necro, because he do not play as a necro and hates playing as a necro.

Here is the unfortunate part. The Anet devs are just like him. They do not play as a necro and hates playing as a necro. How do we know this? They said so themselves. They flat out call necro boring to play in one of their older interviews. We can also see this when they spent a grand total of 30 seconds when talking about the new Signet of Vampirism in the interview.

Talking to Glaphen is just like talking to a Anet dev right now.

A strong class shouldn’t be buffed just because its boring. It should be made interesting and fun to play but buffing something into god mode just makes everything else more kittenty. You want to play a game with cheats on in single player be my guest but in multiplayer games one person with cheats makes the entire game kitten.

You missed the whole point completely.

Because the Anet devs find necro so boring to play, they never bothered to spent the time to test it and balance it properly.

So being boring is a direct cause of necro’s imbalance. Get it now?

You are asking for buffs in all your posts, I don’t see anything wrong besides the class being boring to play. You don’t buff a class because its boring, you buff a class because its weak. If something is boring, you remake it so its fun, not buff them.

Wrong, yet again. I am angry at the nerfs, not the lack-of-buffs.

I am angry about many of the nerfs. But the one that stands out for me was the Mark of Blood 33% damage nerf. This was the first point I made in this whole thread.

Key here: I was talking about a nerf that was already done to the necromancer, not a future buff.

I can pull out many other examples. But let’s focus on Mark of Blood.

So good mister, tell me why Mark of Blood was nerfed by 33%.

I tell you right now, this is a argument you have no chance of winning. I understand necro very well, and Mark of Blood is one of the most clear example of Anet’s mistakes.

I will also give you the reason why Mark of Blood war nerfed. It is Dhuumfire.

The Mark of Blood: Removed 1 stack of bleed when used in PvP. Was only in Spvp and this is the WvW forums so I have no idea why you are here now.

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I watched the first 2 minutes and he says himself this is about pvp which means not about WvW lol.

You do know that WvW is balanced from S/TPvP right?

So that must be why my time on Necromancer there means absolutely nothing.

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I watched the first 2 minutes and he says himself this is about pvp which means not about WvW lol.

You do know that WvW is balanced from S/TPvP right?

Also, you do know that PvP is considered BOTH WvW as it is Player Vs Player and S/TPvP right…

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I watched the first 2 minutes and he says himself this is about pvp which means not about WvW lol.

You do know that WvW is balanced from S/TPvP right?

Also, you do know that PvP is considered BOTH WvW as it is Player Vs Player and S/TPvP right…

Watch the video yourself too then. Mousing over the bar shows me him in Spvp the entire time.

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So that must be why my time on Necromancer there means absolutely nothing.

The problem here is the fact that both modes are SO different that you can not think that this is right. It has been said from Release that both modes should be balanced SEPARATELY

This is part of the problem when you balance a mode such as WvW around such a limited mode it becomes a SERIOUS issue.

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I watched the first 2 minutes and he says himself this is about pvp which means not about WvW lol.

You do know that WvW is balanced from S/TPvP right?

Also, you do know that PvP is considered BOTH WvW as it is Player Vs Player and S/TPvP right…

Watch the video yourself too then. Mousing over the bar shows me him in Spvp the entire time.

Right so becuase he is in a empty S/TPvP map means that he is ONLY talking about S/TPvP situation, right okay….

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I don’t even know who Nemesis is but he cannot be any good if he thinks Necromancer needs buffs in anywhere but PvE.

I can see why you would think this, seeing that not only have you not leveled to level 80 on a Necromancer but you have not even played WvW with it, your whole opinion of it comes from S/TPvP and bias due to how you have to fight against them.

So rather than actually play the class and see WHY it needs buffs and we are not talking Over the top, melt your face buffs we are simply talking SURVIVABILITY buffs then you will never understand anyone’s point of view simply because in WvW you fight AGAINST them (thats IF you play WvW)

Go play Thief and Warrior to 80 now so you can start having the right on an opinion on them. Go take a picture of your Spvp match wheel, I want to see if you have even played it there.

So rather than actually play the class and see WHY it needs buffs and we are not talking Over the top, melt your face buffs we are simply talking SURVIVABILITY buffs then you will never understand anyone’s point of view simply because in WvW you fight AGAINST them (thats IF you play WvW)

Same points can be made about you as usual.

Good. My first character to level 80 in GW2 was a thief, with full exotic gear. I was there during its 24/7 stealth and culling days. I was one of those calling for it to be nerfed.

I eventually refused to use stealth at all in WvW. I call it flat out cheating. But death comes often without stealth. Trapped between cheating or losing, I changed class and went back to necromancer.

My conclusion is the same: Necro right now need buffs.

Your earliest posts are from last December on a Necromancer so I highly doubt your first character was Thief. Easy way to prove it would be a /age of both Necromancer and Thief.

My first character is indeed a thief. My thief’s age is older than my necro’s. I can do a screenshot if you really insist. Better ask quick though. I am about to delete GW2 to make hard drive room for those Steam games I picked up over the Christmas sale.

Talking to you makes me hate GW2 more and more, without even playing it. :P

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I don’t even know who Nemesis is but he cannot be any good if he thinks Necromancer needs buffs in anywhere but PvE.

I can see why you would think this, seeing that not only have you not leveled to level 80 on a Necromancer but you have not even played WvW with it, your whole opinion of it comes from S/TPvP and bias due to how you have to fight against them.

So rather than actually play the class and see WHY it needs buffs and we are not talking Over the top, melt your face buffs we are simply talking SURVIVABILITY buffs then you will never understand anyone’s point of view simply because in WvW you fight AGAINST them (thats IF you play WvW)

Go play Thief and Warrior to 80 now so you can start having the right on an opinion on them. Go take a picture of your Spvp match wheel, I want to see if you have even played it there.

So rather than actually play the class and see WHY it needs buffs and we are not talking Over the top, melt your face buffs we are simply talking SURVIVABILITY buffs then you will never understand anyone’s point of view simply because in WvW you fight AGAINST them (thats IF you play WvW)

Same points can be made about you as usual.

Good. My first character to level 80 in GW2 was a thief, with full exotic gear. I was there during its 24/7 stealth and culling days. I was one of those calling for it to be nerfed.

I eventually refused to use stealth at all in WvW. I call it flat out cheating. But death comes often without stealth. Trapped between cheating or losing, I changed class and went back to necromancer.

My conclusion is the same: Necro right now need buffs.

Your earliest posts are from last December on a Necromancer so I highly doubt your first character was Thief. Easy way to prove it would be a /age of both Necromancer and Thief.

My first character is indeed a thief. My thief’s age is older than my necro’s. I can do a screenshot if you really insist. Better ask quick though. I am about to delete GW2 to make hard drive room for those Steam games I picked up over the Christmas sale.

Talking to you makes me hate GW2 more and more, without even playing it. :P

Screenshot where.