Guild Wars 2

Murre.3548:

We have beat Orng many times without frostball and trebax, and i have it all on recording, We have strong chanses against them dont worry man.

Like 5 of your team, 4 of theirs. You are on ts, they just yolo, they only have party and don’t care. Such is reality, your team is only one that rocks ranked ques thininking it means something about being pro. Reality is you won no match that matters since playing without Frostball.

Reasons behind this dq are quite shallow atm and you want to demand something based on this?

If there will be reason for you to get into match vs. oRNG than you will.

Another ‘I dont wanna l2 swap weapon’ thread
Incredible
Also Church of the Ranger, top kek

Noooooo, my lifeeee, what im gonna doooo
#FREELEETO

Yes, I do realize I did all wrong, yes? Kind of confession, that I did…
Also I find all the trolls flocking in, acting saints, really hilarious
And I thank anyone who tried to get through mine pile of salt to read in to the substance which is:
1. Stop the “pvp = toxic” threads, because they are lies. 90% of times both sides are equally engaged in being “toxic” – something other people omit – which I didn’t and everyone found it funny; also overusing the word ‘toxic’
2. HJ is terrible. Big point actually, because it is part of the game. Some people here bascly say to avoid this part of the game as a solution. I cannot put how wrong is this.

Look at this from perspective of new player. He/she looks on pvp browser and thinks: ‘I guess i should practice first’. What kind of practice you can get in hj nowadays? How often do you see even and fair match there? What lesson comes from 5vs3 blowouts? On winning side you learn nothing, no challenge, no real gameplay. On losing you… well this godkitten stupid.
Sooner or later such a player realizes how autobalance works, and that you can force it and how tons of people do it. The profit! Personally I do not know where the profit lies, I never forced balance. But people do it notoriously. Lesson from this? Cheat your way through for revenue. Is this fine? These people learn nothing. Then they realised that ranked/unranked have bigger rewards. And they screw you precious matches troll boys – with insta npc side objectives, wih no clue whatsoever about rotation, no clue about role of their build in conquest.

Solutions?
1) delete hj completely and leave unranked as ‘practice’ – it would be better than nothing, but I don’t like this solution. Hj is good for quick matches without screwing anyone with leaving etc. Some people actually care for unranked outcomes. I see unranked as place for people who already know the basics, or even for veterans, to test builds.
2) make changes to how balancing/specatate works. After joining the match you get set amount of time to join the game, lets say 15 secs; this way of joining would work like now. If you decide no to join, you are specting and excluded from joining to CREATE imbalance, you can only join to SOLVE imbalance. I would leave volunteering as it is now. Maybe even better is to have only ‘Join’ and ‘Spectate’ buttons and have random teams like in old hj – matches back then well so so muuch better and actually developing for your skills, blowouts were rare.

So, are we going to have fun from my childlish rant with even more childlish troll posts?
Or do we try to have some conversation on root of this type of problems? Like the way hj work, also matchamking solo vs. premade issue, incentive to get better, incentive to form a team etc.?

Eight Samurai.6840:

Josh Davis.6015:

FYI, the Call of the Mists bonus will be enabled this weekend.

+10% PvP Rank Points
+15% Reward Track Progress
+100% Magic Find (PvP Only)

Oh look… yet another pvp promotion this week. I was getting a little worried that all week there wasn’t any news about pvp stuff. But now there’s going to be ANOTHER tournament with ANOTHER call of the mist bonus that ONLY affects pvp!?!?!??!?!? ooooooh man super excited!!!!!!!!! I bet all the pvers and wvwers are stoked for this, man!

much powerful, much buff, much gamechanging

In all honestly makes me feel toxic even more so.

Because I am. When I can’t even do daily in hj because of this idiotic system, I am toxic. When in said hj I am zerged with 3 people and one starts body dancing, I am toxic (chase far offpoint btw to be clear it was zerging).

And you know what? I thrashtalk him, I do.
Ofc this = maximum toxic
Whereas body dancing is not. Boasting when 3vs1 either. Refusing to l2count too.
I can’t even report that. Not like a guy with over 20k ap would got banned anyhow with this amount of gametime in pve, oh well… (they are in pvp for title/track farming, they do not care for the mode, nor they care to play pvp good; but they come in numbers so again, oh well…) He probably found it funny that someone actually cares what state of hj is and gets salty beacuse its terribad, not serving any purpose (inbf4 someone says – its ‘practice’, yeah sure buddy, believe what they tell you). He probably found critique, on his hammer bashing me in gear shield, offensive.

It is not asking for anet to do something, because they won’t. Nice start would be fixing hj, but noooo. I’m just asking all the players, new or coming from pve to be somewhat fair, before they write how toxic pvp is. What does it mean? That you write what YOU did. The TRUE story. 50% of those threads would magically disappear.

Also, fix this hj at last… It’s not like I can play this game with nothing to do or achieve, I’m only in for dailies and even this is just sick. Pure sick. State of the game is so bad that I found myself using forums recently…

Jasher.6580:

The reason people dislike it is because of the snowball effect it has. Whoever wins the first team fight will continue to have an advantage throughout the rest of the match.

If they broke it up into rounds, making each death permanent until the start of the next round it wouldn’t feel as punishing and “snowbally”.

^^ This and I’m back in pvp organising a 5. I always enjoyed conquest, main mode for me, but I guess I just got bored. +it would be much better for esports and pvp scene in general.

In conquest there is too much learning to be done at the same time. Team composition, playing with it in terms of fight AND playing with it in terms of map rotation. People often oversimplify conquest when in fact it is quite complex. And because of that there are STAGGERING gaps in skill levels. This doesn’t help to form a team. Things can easily go sour, people get discouraged. It is often sight – enemies can fight pretty well in terms of actual skill clicking but they rotate so poorly that they are sadly 2vs1 all the time. The other way around can happen too. Deathmatch (or rather arena to be honest) as proposed would help with that – you would have to worry about one objective at the time – wipe enemy. After suceeding with this you can go conquest or stronghold having fight communication worked and in your subconsciousness. Suddenly you only need to worry about other objectives.

Something like this would be greatly beneficial for pvp in general. Easier to form up teams, another real gamemode – all makes population bigger and skillfloor higher.

Sky is falling!

But for reals, no one brought incredibly strong minor traits. Recharging healing skill and toolbelt skills below 25% once in 90secs seems kitten strong to me, actually same for transmute every 15secs. Whole ‘necro counters engi’ is myth with all cc, block, dodges and not so small condi clear afterall (turret pick up 2hard). Transmute can screw all your stacks of bleeding because you applied one more, it is stupid as hell. Not to mention when i have to fear quickly with counter cc -,- Still condi necro has generally upper hand in fight like this but not really such an overwhelming one as some say. I would rather send condi ranger to deal with engi with additional target and not condi cc in form of pet and ublockable entangle.

But now it is about engi being op, which engi is, no denying. But only thing op is CELE engi. I think engi has the biggest number of good builds. But we see nothing else than cele, simply because it is superior, superior too good is excellent and easily considered op. My settler healing bombs trolololo solo blocking 2-3 people on temple lower buff (one of my best actions, carrying so hard i got praises from enemy team, aaaageees ago) = RIP. Rabid condi fun = RIP. Zerk HGH = RIP. Trying to hard to fit Modified Ammo in = RIP. All because cele stats give better results wit easier access, mostly because of superior versality and no hard counters; rabid engi vs necro is whole different story than i wrote up, basicly engi get rekt; at the same time on rabid you might find yourself dealing with some other classes easier than on cele. Sadly i have no idea what to do with this Celestial is worst thing that could happen to engi class in general, it fits all to well, attracts lots of unjustified op statements and kills build variety.
Mentioned earlier minor traits are another thing. Healing one is apparently getting changed but other two remain. Maybe at least give transmute an icon? This trait kittenes me off without control, as engi enemy i always have to take it into account, and as engi i dont even remember i have such a powerful thing. It’s not simple condi clear it’s prevention giving you boon and if incoming condi was stacked it removes all stacks (or at least i think this is the clarification behind sudden dissapearing of stacks, i doubt in sigils being the case do often). Nevertheless it feels extremely wrong for me, just look up on wiki what engi can get for you landing certain condition on him. Toolbelt recharge is OP in one case in current meta – slickshoes. I don’t know what basic skill got changed, I feel like nothing got changed with it. Toolbelt though… it was longer cd than basic skill once, now is around half of it in baseline, and going in Tools upgrades it further. Cd on this stunbreak is so low that engi could suddenly afford this skill on utility bar. Furthermore it gives acces to very good buff such as super speed which helps you escape pressure even more. You can use it freely, it will recharge when you are screwed. I always thought of engi like this:
Strong suits:
– cc pressure (increased with viable slick shoes)
– adaptability (flourishing with cele)
Weak suits:
– weak to condi (not so real with bigger hp pool than previously used amulets and bigger outheal)
– suspectible to cc (denied very hard by slick shoes belt, especially combined with tools minor)
Basicly two changes, just two, made class so strong. Reworking celestial and changing slick shoes belt skill cd greatly. Maybe you can add inteligence to this, but this is general change that has counterplay to it unlike often stunbreak.
How to deal with it?
I say lets start with bringing super speed cd to something similiar to active part of the skill. Tone down healing turret – maybe just shave numbers and provide better scaling with healing power so settler might be usable again in comparision to cele and cleric not complete insanity. However i believe increased cd would work better, especially when blown up, so it gives some more depth to the skill. Nowadays people just roll engi and blow up even when they are already full hp. I think knowing your class should reward more and decision when to pickup or when to blow should have more meaning, with pick up giving more condi cleanse (obviously) and slightly more hps than blowing up. Cast could be increased to 3/4sec too, it is extremely good healing skill, always was. Rest lies within celestial being so good for engi perhaps that ~10% stat nerf will do just that and make happy both anti-engi crusaders and engis that are hungry for reinstating build variety.
Wall of text so much :P feel free to correct my data, i was writing from memory exclusively, and thanks if you read this

random accidential touchpad deleted my essay, this is bs why its not turned off ?
now on topic in short
- gs is good
- LF generating and shroudknight are great, now with stability and much more engaiging skills all hail Robert Gee
- shouts seemed a little apart from gs and specialzation strong suits, but interesting for necro in global terms, but i got distracted during showing them so im not sure
- lulz at guys judging damage by (im almost sure) sentinel amu
- natural predators will probably remain with still low mobility etc. especially thieves will poop on necro like always, but on what proffesion it will not with changes proposed so far? wait and see, huh? in this case i dont need, thief will dominate if this goes through like this
- animations are kitten cool but too much for pvp to be honest on top with mesmer pinky wells, guardian flashy traps and god-knows-what-else for other classes to not hurt pve single prof player feelings, I won’t ever again see magnet animation in fight, not like it is easy for me know
- overall, as far as necro alone goes, AWESOME

“Dragon” – dragons are bad aren’t they dad? I’m gonna fight dragons when I grow up! I understand that Elder dragons are bit different, but stuffing dragon in specialisation name gives me feeling of making it for 12 years old max. Now, I never liked how gw2 story revolves around dragons so much when there is so much more of other cool stuff. Naming specialisation dragon hunter kinda shows – its only about dragons and nothing else Also name is not universal, it’s not timeproof – thats the word!

“Hunter” – hunter is even worse. My main is not hunter. I like bow, I wanted bow, its kitten cool. Traps were unexpected but great. But I NEVER wanted hunter. I like ranger the least from all gw2 proffessions for multiple reasons which are too much to share here. Hunter is even worse, it embodies everything noob from mmos in general and also attracts no-clue whatever playerbase. If I am to use bow i want it to be more of a magic/faith business and NOT dexterity and proficiency with bow. It also feels like robbing ranger which already is not so loved anet child.

Original, timeproof and sounding like specialisation name? Difficult* one too unfortunately. Best ones in my opinion are taken by Orders ranks.

Tactician – traps, ranged, still a guardian. Feels great to protect, command and plan and doesn’t interfere with offensive nature at all. Vigil rank

Cruader – highly guardianlike, feels offensive in manner. It feels not so good as Tactician, crusader strikes me more as frontline, heavy weapon charge (perhaps some ground spear or axe ) Vigil rank

Lightbringer – feels even better than Tactician. Sounds much more guardian like. Longbow, backline is no issue here. Traps fit perfectly with their light exposing enemies. Also would be much more universal for future use.

Shame that none of those can be used
Also shows how specialisations weren’t planned at all at launch.

*is edit, jeez I wouldn’t even notice. This censorship shows towards who this game is addressed. Kids that won’t even read story nor learn correct gameplay.

So, basicly tons of people who need to hide behind 19 others want their “game mode” to be called pvp. Most of wich are lovers of gw1, doge2hard, manly man dem big fights in which i listen to some dude yelling “hammerstun”. What this thread is doing in spvp, pls?

Ranger. Seriously, delete this class already or rework it from the ground. No reward for skillful play – checked. No really viable high end pvp build – checked. Yet rocks on medium/uncoordianted level perfectly, having 10k with 2k range on demand, whereas other classes have to put way more effort to such burst and usually go into melee – checked. Only somewhat useful option is to jump around like monkey and evade evade geo prot repeat – checked. EVERYTHING about this class is wrong atm.

Dragonhunter. Being spoonfed with ranger basicly. I don’t mind bow, I don’t mind traps I want to see them in action. But ‘hunter’ in the name and ‘big game’ in articule description WILL NOT DO.

State of the necro. My second class is thrash. Oh well, except one build which is strange variation of ranger. It’s not like devs anyhow know what necro actually is. Can you eat it?

Gameplay wise I’m so hyped, skills can easily be made so that they don’t feel strange on guard.
But the name.
The godkitten name is JOKE. If I wanted to main ranger i would do that. Meanwhile I didn’t and I started feeling like a traitor some time ago because of having rangers on my account.
As for names I’ll throw you some from your franchise in some way (general specialization, not neccessairly this one): Zealot, Paragon, Justicar (this one i would find fitting for present specialization), Confessor.
And some others: Paladin, Prophet, Crusader (this one I would find fitting for present specialization)

Block projectiles – fine.
Serve as additional target – not so.
Try binding blade with purpose to hit foes that are on your side of the trail and see what happens.

way to dye underwear! as far as i wouldn’t mind more customization, it won’t happen because pegi12 and such a stuff
but dyes shouldn’t be much of a problem, really
and would be so cool!

P.S.: How come you cannot play shirtless? Tons of content of this game is easily doable this way if you want. Saying you can’t is l2p issue no less Kappa

Nice NA esl stream out there boys. 3 turret engis and stream crash. Good job.

StickerHappy.8052:

A lot of tips.

Reflects. LOS. Dodge. RF can be interrupted since its a channel, get close to the ranger then its over.

foefire +1, 2k range, one button equivalent of thief, mesmer or fresh air combo

sorry, but #rekt

StickerHappy.8052:

You guys made me LOL if rangers are broken why don’t you see them in High tier pvp?

WHY?

Because it only kills bad players more frequently.

Perhaps rangers are so bad they can’t kill things they should, huh? You never thought of that, didn’t you? Finding weapon swap button would be nice begining

Profession mechanic stats could be included with minors to to the profession mechanic line. That could make it seem mandatory for some professions even more than now, though. As for condi/boon duration I can’t imagine not having access to those.
As for stats nice idea would be just adding stats via let’s say attribute points. Like one attribute point = 10 stat points. To ensure insane overstacking of power, toughness etc. (wich would be terrible), there should be thresholds when getting more of certain 10 stat points takes 2 attribute points and later even 3 or more if necessary. This could be, ofc, judged as complicated/confusing for new players which… I can’t even
And it would be time consuming and hard to balance which is valid counter argument :P
+1 for Chaith’s idea, it’s good start and relatively easy to implement

enjoyed facing turret engi with vapmirsm rune on defensive lane…

It happens in pve alot too. In SW.
It can even bug when immobilized on ground but you use some ‘jump’ skill like Leap of Faith or Mighty Blow. If floating turrets are a thing, than how come someone will take care of this?

trebbing really good
when charging renewed focus, make sure you use all virtues though
you had resolve active ready and wasted it basicly

First worthy succesor of All is vain thread. Keep it first page boys and girls!

I feel like I have to elaborate some people on an important case.
PvP=Players versus Players
so far not so much of it in stronghold, it will most likely change
there is no denying that there is more player vs player in conquest FOR NOW (some still will say it’s not what they expect from pvp)
some people worked and trained for mechanical skills in pvp encounters, and they feel upset that they can’t make real use of it in stronghold
also stronghold is even worse for solo than conquest because it’s tactic wise harder than ‘hold on to your points, seize theirs’ lol
stronghold looks interesting but i fear it might evolve wrong way – stray away from pvp; playing solo you easily realise both sides just care for objectives, you wont get effective +1 to take care of one player and thus stopping him from running tasks + you can take his supplies. And 1vs1 in order to do so is waste of time.

Siphaed.9235:

I’m going to call bullarky on this case. My last match of Stronghold was against 2 Engineers -1 defended, 1 attacked- and we wiped the floor with them. How, you ask? Well for one I was a Staff Ele that just AOE nuked the clustered turrets with easy. The other was my teammates, one being a Shatter Mesmer that kept doing the clone thing with Feedback too (self destroying turrets, classic). Our thief kept using the “come here!” Scorpion ability to pull the Engi away from the turrets to do the stabby stab out of harms way.

It is once again an overused complaint against a class that you personally have issues with. But by no means does everyone in the community have issues with this class or build. The choice of going outside your personal build comfort zone to instead find a more creative approach to tackling obstacles is the reason why we have so many utility skills, weapon swaps, and the trait trees.

‘clustered turrets’ when was it? 2005?
all i see is well trained monkeys planting floating turrets afar from each other
#defensive line #instacrate #hehadvampirismlolwutfled #soloquenohelpnolove #skrittdoge2hard

Now figure out the story , I don’t have time for this – but you act like a clever, so you probably are, you’ll make it
There is no outrotate in stronghold – my teammates fault -sure, maybe, single medi guard made for mobility isn’t good offender (trying out stuff) but it felt kinda stupid to send skritts to death. That said 2vs1 him. Problem is he got +oned not me. Problem is that turrets deal more dmg and serve more cc than other AI’s build (which by the way is the easiest way to prove that turrets are not balanced). Actually turrets can get better sustained dmg than people whoo build for dmg. When wearing sentinel. Balanced.

choovanski.5462:

only really braindead build is phantasam mesmer imo. hate the stupid dps and instant 6+ bleeds. killed a guildie today (she is a solid cele cele) without even attacking her. just ran around cloaking and summoning. it’s the only build I actually loathe, and no you can’t have it. it’s too disgusting.

also beat a really good warrior with it in 1v1, and i can hardly even play mesmer. carried by stealth and ai.

much lolz
seeing signature and compalin on PHANTASM mesmer
much unbiased
much lolz

Agreed. Played three games and I know it’s going to be scrub promotion. Thing that may make pvers very happy cause they feel oh so good with their cheese just running supply. I just don’t know why even do this if all pvers had turret engi already :O – I’ve met one ofc. Hey! insta crate hihihoho on supply drop ima sooo gud i cant even dodge kill shot (i thought range + gs mobility might be good on this map, obviously i was wrong). Actually I’ve hit like 90% of killshots. But is not solo build. No one cares fow winning with players so no help, just run some pve. Maybe better teams would go for win over enemy team and than go for map control. Dunno, this is going to be extreme cheese. Solidyfying cele, solidyfying thief as zerk roamer and one thing good – making mesmer really desirable. Though probably not as mesmers would wish it’s still portal utility bag Kappa
Experience: terribad, left turrets are even better than on point – buff it more, im gonna count how many kill shots it takes, gazillion probably with its outheal (im assuming that i land all, doge2hard, turrets cant dodge man)
Possibilities: I would like to see how this unfolds for teams and more important – how it unfolds for pvp players, not this bunch of pve seeking something where you can just learn your tactic by heart and repeat reaper, just like dungeon, only thing it’s called pvp
Overall: it’s not pvp as for now (nor I see easy way to change this)

as much as i loved it, there are too much options to throw people down in gw2
but style of ingame commentary could be adapted, was so awesome; also unbeatable/invicible/immortal announcements if hj would ever get to be fixed (so zerg snowball boys don’t get too happy with their achievements) that said – fix hj, it’s not practice, you can’t practice there

GoogleBrandon.5073:

What’s an MMR?

Can you eat it? Been watching a lot of cooking programs, so I know some stuff about preparing food now

golden

clarification ^^
post was meant to be answer on @ronpierce’s post
but I went ham with analysis and had to delete the quote

LAUNCH can “knocback” downed, while regular KNOCKBACK can’t. Overcharged Shot is launch, banish is launch – launch is generally stronger and more rare effect with more input to land it (that’s why Overcharged is kinda broken – just compare to banish and have good laughs). Stealth magnet is visible, maybe only a little less. Gear shield no probs. On rest about engi i don’t wanna speak. Celestial is just better atm, rabid still good, sometimes even better but also meets more hard counters and dies easier. Cele more flexible and reliable. No reason to slot settler, had such good time with healing bombs perma evade troll cele in current shape hurts the class some shaving is needed, maybe making ammy stats standardized with other? dunno, that could break the builds which is no fun; would be good to try this option and revert changes quickly if it kills build, AGAIN smaller, but more frequent balance patches

Removing downed from SR doesn’t reveal :O ? My noscope Banishes, i’m now sure I’ve hit way more than it seemed (though want someone to confirm on that, my mind is a little blown on this). Otherwise im terribad thief not talking on that

Necro changes be good.

You want to nerf fresha air ele or I misunderstood? I get the point, but that would require complete rework towards more accesible cc skills. And I honestly don’t see good reason behind this. For cele i think it’s fine. Can be annoying, especially in duel but can’t really call it op since it lost much dmg with might nerf. (and again here is the problem with celestial)

Guardian hammer – no. Sorry biased main here, though i have some things to back it up. Sure combo is good – still long cd wep skill + medicore cd utility. Also can be undone by the same spec with stand your ground with similar, even smaller cd. Its not op, not even somehow terribly good, its just non stability meta that doesn’t want to evolve (and it won’t happen soon, because of small number of teams). Also many people still run selfish gs, have no clue what they are doing, yet they do pretty well. I like that hammer can bring more to the table but is not so much of an eez mode like gs. Wait for double guardians, one classic balanced and second for double 2h teamfight wrecker

I don’t know what to think about warrior atm. I so dislike shoutbow, so boring for me in general. I love zerker (still seems inferior to medi guard, because of being harder to land burst) and I loved hambow whit some personal twist with conf on rupt (still inferior to shoutbow, good players will usually somehow mitigate cc and survive stances time and your done – basicly very good teamfighter IF your team dictates the terms on which fight is fought; shoutbow performs more reliably.

Ranger needs major overwork. MAJOR – it does not promote skillful play, which is bad; has tons of crap utilities which is even worse. Weapons aren’t good either – one or other bow and then second set some dodge, disengage and not real offensive possibilities (well gs is way better, but still, Maul suffers the same as warrior hammer). At least there is a place to work around.

Mesmer is in the worst place in my opinion. Whatever you try to accomplish, sooner or later, you realize that MASTERING shatter will give you better results. Mesmers revolves around boon hate, but its tied to long cd utilities which can’t really be given space, cuz teef, or guess what -SHATTER. More options on boon ripping outside from shatter. This probably can be adressed somehow. Second thing is clone dependancy. This is way harder. Clones. They die. Other than that, they could be extreme cheese against some bunkerish classes, if buffed. Honestly I don’t know how this could be addresed at the current state of the class. Some rupt builds could finally get a living if triats are better split among trait lines, and mentioned boon ripping options expended. Still dreaming of supportive/cc mesmer style

Just a bunch of my opinions. Sorry for english and typos, there must be quite a lot.

Aenye.2390:

engi is great class to play, i love engi
only problems are:
1) turrets give class kitten bad name
2) hobosack

as for daily, you can’t do much about it; answer would be good, it doesnt matter what it would be like
it could be even: “no, we think dailies are fine as they are”
but it’s not even that

engi is great class to play, i love engi
only problems are:
1) turrets give class kitten bad name
2) hobosack

very creative
not even destructive too
whats the actual point of the thread?
to defend pve lifestyle within pvp ? your numbers are decreasing, im sorry
you won’t soap peoples eyes anymore
not after excessive stacking

that is great to hear

So as topic says I’ve just stumbled on Wall of Champions AGAIN. And I’m astonished that someone ever found it needed to move it but no to update it. It’s small thing and some additional recognition for best players, usually players that form pvp and help developing it. I mean… jeez… it shows Seattle teams, how many metas is it? Those should stay ofc, just add more. Like both ToLs, gamescom (maybe not so valid because that player choosing, well…) and now WTS. To make it visible don’t add too much info per one wall. There is plenty of unused space in the mists after glory vendors gone, that could be used for new walls like wall ’14 and ’15 etc.

What do you guys think? I understand there are more important issues at hand, but this seems wrong and very easy to fix at the same time.

Lexiceta.4156:

easy to hard
engie
ele
ranger
warrior
necro
mesmer
thief
guardian

wot?
how so guardian and ranger are harder then engi? how is that even possible?
as multiclasser and guardian main my opinion is that ranger is the easiest
and as a fact – guardian isn’t hardest, there is NO WAY

as for engi you might meant turrets
engi =/= turrets , turrets is turrets, engi is engi and engi has ANY skillfloor to it unlike turrets and skillceiling is even very high
Edit: not only this is completely wrong – certain builds is what matter more than class itself; like terror necro takes skill believe it or not and zerk necro – lulz i just procd my entire build thief diered lulz
also goes to show that zerker does’nt necessairly mean hard spec

Blackjack.5621:

Only sad thing about current state of solo pvp are turret enngis. In unorganized pvp this build outshines everyone in groups with mediocre players while you don´t need the slightest mechanical ability to pull it off.

You can’t tell me that you like ques at your mmr.

inb4 ranger tells you l2p through VOIP when he is killing npcs for the whole match
mute wars 2 inc

pdavis.8031:

I read that as “torrents”, and was confused as to what the OP was on about….

But either way, turrets are not OP, a bit annoying sure, but certainly not OP.
Don’t charge into the middle of them and you’ll be fine. Try to take out the thumper and flame turrets first with AoE, and you’ll be fine.

Take out thumper

We got the winner here!

also, turrets are op, it just became tabu topic to falsly identify noobs
it’s not like everyone runs cele or soldier to whistand that dmg with big part of it being 1500 range, it’s not like turrets have more passive defense then thief, it’s not like turreter has perma protection and retal, it’s not like world champions like Rom use adjectives like “hilarious” or “insane” on this build (live stream, 2 days ago for your convenience) and two really golden:
it’s not like it takes WAY TOO MUCH TIME/RISK to even afford fighting it
it’s not like there is only one on enemy side, because there are more, and they even dare to offend you when you 2vs1 them
facts

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Terrorsquad.2349:

Funny, I saw top players lose vs Turret Engi team just a few days ago on stream..

Everytime I quote Ark on this a thread gets deleted – but you mean these?

Archaon.9524:

http://www.twitch.tv/xerrex/b/643319170?t=1h51m20s

enjoy cancer

Archaon.9524:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

The kitten is that?

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Also, is it just me or is Decap Engineer slowly creeping back? O.o

is called esports…

helseth enjoyed it too

http://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth/v/3964399?t=2h26m52s

Just this. That’s more than enough, honestly. As for all people acting like: “turrets killed ya? l2p.” – stop lying that you defeat turretts, because we know you can’t
Ah and yes, the most important proof on how op is turret engi. What is the most common tactic? Outrotate it, it’s simple! l2p! Yeah sure, I outrotate 2+ turret engis.
P.S.: I also love this: "That turret engi is even worse then average. I can handle him. Engage. HE INSTA CRATED, THAT PVE %$^@ (ad infinitum) french (sorry, that’s what i personally meet the most often, that one is completely biased) and %^## (ad infinitum again, oh the paradox) and towards the end that’s enough, kitten this game

Lexiceta.4156:

Idk the jump that he got caught in was totally unnecessary, that form of random jump served no purpose.

yes, of course
that’s some great argument you presented, because of this the bug shouldn’t be fixed assuming that this happens only as sort of punishment for unnacessar jumps ONLY or if it only happens only to people you don’t like
because it doesn’t happen when you jump on purpose, it only happens to randomly jumping noobs; not like it bugs you on skills such as people mention (from myself I’ll add Leap of Faith guard gs3)
so, yeah it was valuable to focus on funny sidenote instead of issue itself, that’s quite innovative and completely unbiased
as another funny sidenote I might mention that I even wasn’t refering to that particular situation, but Helseth’s common expereinced and not really when random jumping – here you go, don’t need to be so smart for the second time

Edit: Sorry for grammar and typos

so small, yeah
numerous times per day
so small
go to stairs on foefire, that’s how civilized people do! and maybe take a break for tee when fighting over a node?
plzzz

it’s not only pvp exclusive
in Silverwastes husks have long immob
stuck mid-air is something I experience there many times per day…
I don’t play pvp other than daily because leaderboard, turrets and sometimes lags fix one and I’m back
PS.: also ask Helseth if he likes immob mid-air, he’ll be delighted…

Now
put engi daily and thief daily on the same day…
oh my…
casual thief…
goodbye… change game
I mean, really, whose idea it was to those dailies? And what SICK mind could possibly imagine thief and engi daily on the same day?

Guys!
use ‘top dmg by player’ or whatever it was actually called
it’s way richer than usual and you can see who was real harm for you, no need to upgrade that
as for visilibity – it used to be more noticeable once, but they got rid of that, dunno why

Scrub mentality is real.
they hidin me hatin
not fair! cowardly!
it yells: ima soooo scrub
this class in game to play, i suggest you try it yourself it’s the best way to learn to counter it (unless you are so manly man, that is so afraid of those ‘women clothes’ and so it seems women in general)
when someone says engi is fine (yeah, actually what type of ranger has problem with any engi?) i know it’s troll; it’s the smell (now catch on with some matrix reference)
as for your problem
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win
read this
n get gud son

@Sorel.4970 – You don’t loose to turret engis do you?
I do.
On daily days there are usually 2 in enemy team. They dont hesitate to crate 1vs1 like insta.
No, they don’t stick to close. They come and cc entire teamfight, no timing needed. And shoutbow heals those aa bags of happiness. I prefer to fight pain train then one turret engi.

So yeah, turrets are fine. I wonder what some really top players think about the build, whether it should exist in it’s form. Ofc my comment was about how op shoutbow is, yes

Why celestial on engi? your knowledge is astonishing – outheal gusy n 3.8k pry bar cuz intelligence

Jump Shot – still can jump in place instead of intented area, even on flat ground
RTL – pretty same, but rarer for me; I rather play staff or s/f so that may be why
Overcharged Shot – no self knockback without stab (this I had some time ago, might be gone)
Magnet – not connecting for no apparent reason, launching on pull (pry bar will likely miss, so be happy when you got launched, falling dmg is usually less lol), pulling the target and then target teleports back to previous place without any skill used (even when pulled down, like on Temple)
Generally possiblity of teleporting back after any tele/shadowstep ability used, I feel it’s better now then before, but still happens I believe
I might come up with more later

necros, necros and necros
one pop lich mash 111 harder and calls it skill
second just stands to proc reapers protection +nightmare and says that he has no mobility, oh dear
i’m really starting to hate this prof
even if it’s second in number of matches on my account