Guild Wars 2

Rebound.3409:

A friend thief who was leg both s1 and s2 can’t get past emerald mid..and he plays like crazy.

A friend thief who was leg in s1 tanked mmr and then formed a team to farm soloqers and in s2 payed for taxi, can’t get past emerald mid. I have those friends too.

Wait how is he emerald mid if he was leg in s2.

I m so tiered of people whine for no reason, in this season i was playing against top 100 and bunch of esl teams members. And i lost some. Why i don’t whine ? When i even faced them in “kitten” sapphire tier which made my progress stale for a while.

Rebound.3409:

Who cares about being legendary. You are blind if u think that.

People don’t want to be stuck, after playing 4-5 + hours in the same tier for days. Nobody is even thinking of legendary.

Dno, if they don’t like being stuck – then they ll achieve legendary eventually. Which means everyone ll get legendary. Which means everyone is entitled enough to be legendary.

If they don’t like matches itself and only thing they care is progress, then you know, spvp not the mode they are looking for.

Rebound.3409:

One thing is for sure. After seasons are over or after people get their wings your pvp experience will not go up. It will actually go down in to the slums..because this whole circus frustrated people so much they will simply stop playing this arbitrary game mod. So all you elite pvpers..brace yourself for queues.

Seasons were intended as a means to bring fresh blood in pvp. It achieved completely the opposite.

So what does fresh blood want ? To be a fresh legendary no matter how bad they are ?

Previous season i could understand people whine because matches were unbalanced and long loosing streaks happen.

This season, i don’t see an issue. If you can’t climb, that means that’s the right place for you to improve skill wise, if you don’t want to … then there is nothing to discuss.

What i have noticed is this bug usually happens to me after Taunt. Especially often against Druid’s pet taunt.

Just my experience.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

You can still win improperly. Happens all the time.

You can’t lose improperly though. Never ever happens.

Jourdelune.7456:

You are wrong. MMR is fine.

It’s the MM (match making) that suck because it’s not MMR vs MMR, its MMR vs PIPS range.

So, the problem is not MMR. It’s MM with PIPS range.

Since veteran don’t want to play with noob, MMR for your team is a must… should be the same for opponent.

True, yet i believe in this case they will need to relocate rewards from progression to participation. Because let’s be real, there are really few enthusiasts who will keep playing just for the sake of competition.

Sw/Sw M/Sh Warrir Str/Def/Dis. Merc amulet.

37-8 T_T

Dojo.1867:

Well you click your skills and really are playing on a super low skill floor. Yet you make threads claiming you are in MMR hell.

You really really should not be any higher with the way you play right now. First thing you should learn is use proper hotkey control and stop clicking skills via mouse. Post an update once you achieved this and I will give further feedback. Not playing much mesmer though.

Sure she should be lower then she is now, that’s why she in MMR hell. System doesn’t allow her to fall.

So i yet fail to see to see how your comments are connected to this thread when everyone in d3 are equal trash in comparison to each other.

jessiestiles.9437:

Arcade.8901:

Wow, i completely support you on that matter. After reading forum for few days, i came to conclusion that i don’t really care about sPvP. So such brilliant ideas are not so bad, because i will not be around to actually participate in their further implementation.

Honestly if they used the same matchmaking as last season would you feel like that? Or would you have grinded your way to legendary and just complained about it in the forum then come back for next season?

I m ok with s1 system with dymamic que. About me complaining I do not actually get it. I did legendary in both seasons solo q only. I won’t like any system which is not based on leaderboards and mm which is not based around matching MMR vs MMR.

PowerBottom.5796:

skurken.4192:

Spend that 200k on fixing the game, give the pvp team a bonus if they fix the problems that are. Spend that money on some new content or what ever, but dont pay “pros” 200k, for 1k twitch. Throw the “E-sport” to the garbage, it’s embarrassing.

No rewards for competitions -> no1 plays the competitions -> much fewer players in PvP and fewer content like stramers on twitch -> PvP is dead.

Those 200k are well spent.

Pro league finals has less viewers then random LoL solo qer who streams how good he is at picking his nose.

Yeah. PvP is not dead in this game. /kappa

Saiyan.1704:

I see people doing it for the rewards tbh. If a player flew to Legebdary then he can just as easily do it again to reap the rewards.

Yeah, but f2p account has limitations. That’s why it doesn’t really cut it.

Otherwise it’s indeed good profit. 100 g ~ for going legendary in 1 day x 7 days = 700 gold. But limitations screw this up.

They can carry people for gold though, but that is different story.

As long you don’t provide video of your game play i assume it’s l2p issue, you are not yet good enough to face 2 mesmers. Git Gud Son ololol.

Wow, i completely support you on that matter. After reading forum for few days, i came to conclusion that i don’t really care about sPvP. So such brilliant ideas are not so bad, because i will not be around to actually participate in their further implementation.

Yeah ! Totally agree on that, Anet you should hire that man as soon as possible. He ll be great addition to your team. Such a brilliant idea!

Jourdelune.7456:

Arcade.8901:

Yeah, i still surprised on the amount of “git gud” flying around the forum, when being legendary means nothing this season.

? Forum noise means something ?

Well…

Guess you need to learn to read… i said legendary means you either grind or easy soloq ride (top mmr) for the win.

Actually, it don’t show you can beat Leeto, Java or Helseth… but you know, you would not be able to. They are occupied to farm lower division to show how good they are.

Do you like this? The best of the world farming baddies and claiming they are good? Wow… I am awestruck.

The League are not competitive. You don’t show you are the best, you show you can grind divisions and it’s easier with top MMR you did posssibly farm (or been carried to) 4 years before.

No prestige here. Come back and beat the NL, RIP or PZ (or the top EU if you are in the old world) many time in row. Now you will get Prestige and show that you can beat the best team in the world.

Farming grinders is not on the same league…

Well i don’t like the system. Because it doesn’t say how actually good i am (at least for me). That’s it. I Threw around 130 games into a season playing on weekends, to get no actual clue about my standing. That bothers me.

Mister Fluffkin.7358:

Arcade.8901:

Mister Fluffkin.7358:

@Arcade.8901: Thats exactly what they do, dont tell me there a people out there that lost every single match at lets say minimum 50 games played, i guess there isnt a single one. But if youre the truelly worst player in the game, why should you win?

Btw, please name me 1 competetive game in the history of videogames where the worst player is winning. WTF?

Like DoTa ? Like LoL ? Like CS:GO ?

In LoL you are small salty Bronze 5, but u are not losing every possible match you trading wins with other worst players in your devision. It’s 50 / 50 win rate. You are sour loser but you win then lose that’s how you learn.

Don’t tell me 1 win then 7 loses then 2 wins and 15 loses is “trading wins” WTF.

Have you ever played Counterstrike??? 0o

Sure the worst players will meet each other sometimes and 1 of them will win, but in any video game, the better the player the more often he will win. Thats counts for CS, LoL, Dota and for GW2.
If you arent the worst person in gw you will climb divisions as well. Maybe not till the highest, but thats the reason behind any ladder/divisionsystem/league whatever.

I did 0o

All those games use MMR vs MMR not MMR vs Random MMR rofl.

Jourdelune.7456:

My team (TFS) is at tier 5 of diamond.

Our thief is on working scheduled, so we are queuing 4 q for 2 weeks or so.

Yesterday, we did got a Legendary player that throw the matches going AFK on home point.

It was the same in high tier ruby, got matches with bad diamond….

Yeah. Legendary don’t means anything in League. Or it don’t means something important.

There is many bad players into the Legendary division. Many many many that should be under rubies. But well… if the goal is to say Legendary players are TOP players of this game… it’s clearly not.

It shows that players can grind game to get Legendary. This is not a skill based ranking system.

Useless grinding ranking system showing that people that have 30 hours+ a week (or people with top 20% MMR) can be Exalted Legendary.

Yeah, i still surprised on the amount of “git gud” flying around the forum, when being legendary means nothing this season.

Lexander.4579:

Arcade.8901:

Lexander.4579:

So I’ve reached my legend rank and stuff and I’ve never been one of these PvE loot hoarders which have been after the legendary PvP backpack since the addition of ranked, but constantly seeing all this mass madness with backpack with people going as far as getting a mental breakdown over not being able to progress in PvP started filling me with the wish to get myself that backpack as well.

So here’s my problem: I have 100% participation as Thief in pvp sticking to it even in the most dire times (s1) and Im not willing to change that since it just fancies my view to see no other classes in my sPvP participation graph. Is there a way to get those profession achievements without getting other classes added to my sPvP class graph?

You can’t. Git Gud on other classes or forget about back pack. Overall git gud /thread

you dont have to “git gud” on other classes since you can just relog on them few seconds before you win the match

and in general you dont really have to “git gud” in gw2 to reach high rank anyway

Yeah, git gud at relogging then.

Lexander.4579:

So I’ve reached my legend rank and stuff and I’ve never been one of these PvE loot hoarders which have been after the legendary PvP backpack since the addition of ranked, but constantly seeing all this mass madness with backpack with people going as far as getting a mental breakdown over not being able to progress in PvP started filling me with the wish to get myself that backpack as well.

So here’s my problem: I have 100% participation as Thief in pvp sticking to it even in the most dire times (s1) and Im not willing to change that since it just fancies my view to see no other classes in my sPvP participation graph. Is there a way to get those profession achievements without getting other classes added to my sPvP class graph?

You can’t. Git Gud on other classes or forget about back pack. Overall git gud /thread

Mister Fluffkin.7358:

@Arcade.8901: Thats exactly what they do, dont tell me there a people out there that lost every single match at lets say minimum 50 games played, i guess there isnt a single one. But if youre the truelly worst player in the game, why should you win?

Btw, please name me 1 competetive game in the history of videogames where the worst player is winning. WTF?

Like DoTa ? Like LoL ? Like CS:GO ?

In LoL you are small salty Bronze 5, but u are not losing every possible match you trading wins with other worst players in your devision. It’s 50 / 50 win rate. You are sour loser but you win then lose that’s how you learn.

Don’t tell me 1 win then 7 loses then 2 wins and 15 loses is “trading wins” WTF.

Mister Fluffkin.7358:

Exciton.8942:

Here is the real problem:
With the current matchmaking system, the worst players will likely be losing. Those players tend to rather quit than trying to improve so they end up quitting.

This puts the next group of second worst players at the bottom again. They will probably repeat such pattern and also quit.

In the end, a large amount of below-average players will just quit. It is fair? It is in a competitive sense as you get eliminated because not being good enough. But is it really healthy for the game? I don’t know.

What exactly isnt fair about “the worst players loose their matches”? 0o

GW2 PvP takes a lot of matches to learn it but every pvp-player went through this. Should everyone that plays for the 100th time become legendary like in season 1? Im at ~7000 matches now and still learn a lot. Whoever really wants to improve should just play a lot and he will become good enough to reach legendary, it really isnt that hard. But people nowadays prefer to blame the matchmaking/teammates instead of taking a look into the mirror…
Im certainly sure that ever good player is able to reach legendary. Sure there are teammates/comps that arent carryable, but in the big picture you will win wore than you loose if youre a solid player that knows how to rotate and masters his build.

Because even worst player should trade wins with other worst players instead of being fodder for everyone who is better then them. Every PvP player in GW2 went through 1 win – 8 looses 2 wins – 15 looses etc ? You kidding me ? Name me one competitive game where you have players facing those kind of stats.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Arcade.8901:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Arcade.8901:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Arcade.8901:

Jourdelune.7456:

Hahahah…

When you get a new BOX (play HOT), you have more chance to go to Legendary than if you have a main BOX with thousands of matches…

Buy to WIN!!!

More seriously… the MMR just for your TEAM is so bad.

Please get rid of MMR entirely if you don’t want to pair MMR vs MMR team.

So we can have pro players QQ on forums about playing with bad players instead of saying the game is completely right (to farms 80% of the players bases because they are on the top 20% MMR).

So grind based ladder !? Why not just pure MMR based ladder ? Cmon.

Random team generation within pip range is not grind.

Still going to be grind. I mean everyone will end up at desired destination in the very end. It’s not like i care or something. But PvP section will turn into salt mine. Can’t wait.

How?

I mean, you get randomly paired and winners advance while losers make a step back. Rinse and repeat in a ladder that has no safe guards and the higher you go the harder it get.

It also has the added advantage of being fair and more prestigious since what you achieve you did without any pampering by the system.

My idea is only bad if you want a grind based reward track. Anybody who want to be rewarded for his skill should adore that idea.

Well, losers will advance sooner or later (amount of matches played determine how far you will go). That’s the point of me saying everyone ll end up in desired destination. And again, i don’t really care. They can’t make anything worse then what it is now.

You only advance if you win more than you loose. How do you expect weak players to win more than they loose all things being equal?

Because it’s random. For every game where you are below level of other 5 players in opposing team you can have in your team 2 guys who can 2v4 or 2v5 entire enemy team. Then you ll get an enemy team way below your own ability and go further.

As everyone else progress sooner or later you will progress too in that kind of system. At some point you will be good enough in your pip range to make yourself a positive win rate.

Luck/Grind based system. Why u assume i m against this system ? As i said they can’t make it worse then it is now so i don’t care. I would buy old Leaderboards based on MMR anytime instead of any abomination Anet tries to spit out every season. But that’s no way going to happen.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Arcade.8901:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Arcade.8901:

Jourdelune.7456:

Hahahah…

When you get a new BOX (play HOT), you have more chance to go to Legendary than if you have a main BOX with thousands of matches…

Buy to WIN!!!

More seriously… the MMR just for your TEAM is so bad.

Please get rid of MMR entirely if you don’t want to pair MMR vs MMR team.

So we can have pro players QQ on forums about playing with bad players instead of saying the game is completely right (to farms 80% of the players bases because they are on the top 20% MMR).

So grind based ladder !? Why not just pure MMR based ladder ? Cmon.

Random team generation within pip range is not grind.

Still going to be grind. I mean everyone will end up at desired destination in the very end. It’s not like i care or something. But PvP section will turn into salt mine. Can’t wait.

How?

I mean, you get randomly paired and winners advance while losers make a step back. Rinse and repeat in a ladder that has no safe guards and the higher you go the harder it get.

It also has the added advantage of being fair and more prestigious since what you achieve you did without any pampering by the system.

My idea is only bad if you want a grind based reward track. Anybody who want to be rewarded for his skill should adore that idea.

Well, losers will advance sooner or later (amount of matches played determine how far you will go). That’s the point of me saying everyone ll end up in desired destination. And again, i don’t really care. They can’t make anything worse then what it is now.

Locuz.2651:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

ok OP, pm me ingame if ur N/A and i have an alt account in ruby, and with couple of my friends i will carry u out from whatever tier or division ur stuck.

You think thats a bright idea?

Instead of OP struggling at sapphire u will carry and make him struggle even harder at ruby diamond or even legend?

But you have no issues with people being carried by paying someone to carry, or simply being carried by MMR ? Strange.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Arcade.8901:

Jourdelune.7456:

Hahahah…

When you get a new BOX (play HOT), you have more chance to go to Legendary than if you have a main BOX with thousands of matches…

Buy to WIN!!!

More seriously… the MMR just for your TEAM is so bad.

Please get rid of MMR entirely if you don’t want to pair MMR vs MMR team.

So we can have pro players QQ on forums about playing with bad players instead of saying the game is completely right (to farms 80% of the players bases because they are on the top 20% MMR).

So grind based ladder !? Why not just pure MMR based ladder ? Cmon.

Random team generation within pip range is not grind.

Still going to be grind. I mean everyone will end up at desired destination in the very end. It’s not like i care or something. But PvP section will turn into salt mine. Can’t wait.

Jourdelune.7456:

Arcade.8901:

Jourdelune.7456:

Hahahah…

When you get a new BOX (play HOT), you have more chance to go to Legendary than if you have a main BOX with thousands of matches…

Buy to WIN!!!

More seriously… the MMR just for your TEAM is so bad.

Please get rid of MMR entirely if you don’t want to pair MMR vs MMR team.

So we can have pro players QQ on forums about playing with bad players instead of saying the game is completely right (to farms 80% of the players bases because they are on the top 20% MMR).

So grind based ladder !? Why not just pure MMR based ladder ? Cmon.

I am advocating to remove MMR completely into a GRIND based Ranking system.

Skill based ranking system will always be better than Grind based one.

Yet, Anet always try to achieve both. Yet fails on both. At this point i just want Anet to make their mind on what they want to achieve.

Jourdelune.7456:

Hahahah…

When you get a new BOX (play HOT), you have more chance to go to Legendary than if you have a main BOX with thousands of matches…

Buy to WIN!!!

More seriously… the MMR just for your TEAM is so bad.

Please get rid of MMR entirely if you don’t want to pair MMR vs MMR team.

So we can have pro players QQ on forums about playing with bad players instead of saying the game is completely right (to farms 80% of the players bases because they are on the top 20% MMR).

So grind based ladder !? Why not just pure MMR based ladder ? Cmon.

Dojo.1867:

The MMR system worked but it was a failure in combination with leagues. Don’t ever bring that abomination back in combination with the league system.

Do you mean s1 system ? Yes, in combination with leagues and the way it was implemented was a disaster.

Yet, i don’t find s2 system better in a lot of ways, it still creates huge loose streaks for people in lower devisions which is not “fun” for them. I mean system which we have now doesn’t protect newbs. And that is what you actually don’t want to happen in any competitive structure.

Yasi.9065:

MMR hell itself is a big discrepancy between actual player skill and mmr. And while season1 and unranked matchmaking would be hugely more forgiving towards fixing that (after all, bad mmr would put you on a team with good mmr players in 50/50 matchmaking), season2 matchmaking makes you work hard for it, throwing more difficult matches at you.

Well here. I have to quote it because of usual misunderstanding on that matter. The system which was in season 1 in it’s core is a LoL match making system. It’s not forgiving at it’s core. It failed because of poor implementation by Anet.

1. Safeguards.
2. No MMR reset / No placement matches.
3. Abuse of a system.
4. Poor meta to define skill.
5. Low pip amount for every devision.

But the system itself works. But Anet always try to satisfy everyone and combine grind system / skill system which will lead to fail in the very end.

brannigan.9831:

Arcade.8901:

PierPiero.9142:

i think this contest is “stupid” : in post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/The-nature-of-MMR-hell
Evan of anet admits clearly that there are some problems and that they are working on them If a company spends money on a problem , it is becouse the problem is real … otherwise none want to throws away his money … MMR hell is something real and known to ANET also ( they said it, not me )

OP was created before the topic you refer to, Tenebria proved it exists even before the topic was created, so the contest is not stupid for the time it was created.

Except Ensign’s model was more toward proving it didn’t exist. Read the whole post don’t cherry pick want you to see. A-net has acknowledged there is a problem that doesn’t mean anybody is 100% right. We’ve had leagues for what four months now of course it will be constantly revised over time. While MMR hell might exist most of the people that think they are stuck in it really aren’t. If they keep leagues solely skill based as they plan is there goal there will always be a lot of people that can’t advance past the first few leagues. If your someone that has lost 20 games in a row or more I wouldn’t wipe my brow going whew A-net is going to make things all better for me with the next iteration. That would be a gigantic mistake imo. People should always be trying to improve and stop trying to blame everything on things that may or may not be effecting them like MMR hell.

Hm i don’t, Ensign’s model still shows that some will be stuck anyway. While others ll be able to progress. I m not cherry picking.

Sure people should try to improve, sometimes it’s impossible though. I was diamond in the first week of season 2, i have faced a lot of top players here on EU. Even Noscos who was bored with NA que times. That the time when i have faced my MMR hell, but i never whined about it. I was actually fine with it.

Dahkeus.8243:

brannigan.9831:

I don’t know why people think that they should keep advancing. I have no clue whether there is an MMR hell or not but whats wrong with being in Diamond. Legendary is meanignless if everyone can get there. Thats the main problem with this whole thing is people think they should be legendary and if they can’t get there something must be wrong. Thats why we can’t have productive discussion on anything because everyone thinks they are a legendary caliber player. Full discoluse I capped out at diamond last season and I may or may not make it this season to legendary. Im about two tiers away so I would say I probably will but you never know I could lose 5 in a row tommorrow. One thing I know for sure is I don’t feel entitled to it at all. I am sick of the sense of entitlement that prevades all aspects of society. Someone has what I want but some invisible force is keeping me down. Now sometimes something might be but for most people there is no secret force oppressing them. Its tiresome to listen to the victim mentality.

^ Totally agreed with this.

If you made it to Diamond, then good for you! That’s actually a pretty good accomplishment! Be proud of being diamond!

I m legendary. It’s nothing special. I don’t like S1 system, i don’t like S2 system. I m purely entitled in my wish to have quality matches. Kitten me.

Ruru.1302:

Ithilwen.1529:

I agree. The devs seem convinced that players don’t “earn” wins if the matchmaker is set up for 50/50 win ratio. That may not be true, but it’s the impression I get.

If it is true, I don’t understand the reasoning. At any rate, the previous system worked and the current system does not.

The previous system didn’t work because of mmr tanking, allowed literally anybody regardless of MMR to reach legendary. This should never be the case. Legendary should be limited to the best players in the game, and this season’s system in that regard is far better than the old system.

Well previous system was better if:

1. There would be placement matches before the season
2. MMR reset instead of placement matches
3. Separation of SoloQ TeamQ
4. Scraping of Safe guards
5. Increased number of pips needed for every division
6. Anti smurf/amber shopping measures.

That way the system in s1 would have been complete copy of LoL ranked.

Pyriall.1683:

The profession requirement was one of the main issues with the achievement. I don’t feel A-Net went far enough with the requirements. You should not be allowed to log in at the end of the match to get credit for the profession win.

I think the daily achievement is worst part of it.

Chaith.8256:

I wonder if WoW players post on the forums for months about how they can’t get the Gladiator flying mounts and rated Arena skins, which make GW2 PvP legendaries look like a cakewalk. It’s kind of a thing in MMO’s.

I m just curious, is WoW suffers from population issues ? As for me and how i see it, they introduced wings to drag players into PvP or at least try it out. The question is how to make them stay or even do you / Anet want them to stay.

If they want to make wings/titles special, then they need to make it like in WoW. 0.5 % only from 1-2 million PvP playerbase able to get mounts/special season title. So in terms of GW2 only ESL players will be able to obtain anything from the leagues. And people will be fine with that. They just won’t pvp. Or will pvp just for the sake of competition.

LordOtto.2650:

@Arcade.8901
Practice, think out of the box how you can progress, life is not balanced, why should you from “x” people have a balance given to a plate for you?! Find your own balance!

You love to read without your eyes!

The problem is, that few on this forum understand the problem with the leagues, think out of the box yourself.

Are those wings are something special and reflects prestige? No, everyone who was smart enough and cared for the wings hard enough abused the system in s1.

People who faced the reality of not being able to crawl their way to certain devision, can now just pay someone to carry them. And that will work.

Wings by itself are not something prestigious, but people like you want to punish players who want to get them via legitimate ways.

I m legendary too, i don’t really care about the wings to force myself to play daily matches because of another problem: this season doesn’t deliver quality matches. And yeah i m one of those wierdos who is never satisfied.

LordOtto.2650:

@Ithilwen.1529
So what if you played against PZ guild members?! I played with and against them, sometimes won, sometimes loose too… and if you are weaker then them they will advance very fast, knowing that they are in winning strike, it’s not like that they remain 3 weeks there with you!
I still wait sometimes 1 hour to play, so what is this you have to wait hours, if everybody leaves?!
I think that’s why legendary players playing a new alt, because the queue time is more then 1 hour, at morning there isn’t a chance to play in legendary….
Please go cry more! Lots of weeks past since season 2, and you still sapphire, and you tell this is the pro players fault?! Phaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Practice, think out of the box how you can progress, life isn’t balanced, why should you from “x” people have a balance given to a plate for you?! Find your own balance!

Hilarious part of it: it’s you who QQed about bad team mates below your skill, premades and life unfairness overall few weeks ago, love to read people’s hypocrisy.

PierPiero.9142:

i think this contest is “stupid” : in post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/The-nature-of-MMR-hell
Evan of anet admits clearly that there are some problems and that they are working on them If a company spends money on a problem , it is becouse the problem is real … otherwise none want to throws away his money … MMR hell is something real and known to ANET also ( they said it, not me )

OP was created before the topic you refer to, Tenebria proved it exists even before the topic was created, so the contest is not stupid for the time it was created.

@LordOtto, sorry to enlighten you, but they did not reset MMR.

displacedTitan.6897:

StickerHappy.8052:

Cyanon.1928:

Erik Waananen.6089:

Sardath.8524:

- the MMR of average/bad players shouldn’t be lowered as much when losing against a team of a significantly higher MMR

I can confirm that the Ranked matchmaking system already works this way, and worked this way for Season 1 as well. The matches in which you lose against opponents that are much higher rated than you do not adjust your MMR significantly.

Sardath.8524:

- they need to add a preseason to fill the gap or to place people in the ladder based on the previous season

We are continuing to explore ideas for the upcoming off season period, as well as ways to improve overall match quality for Season 3, as we know that there are frustrations for many players (particularly during the start of the season) with regard to matchmaking for Season 2.

Erik, thanks for taking the time to join us in this discussion. You have no idea of the peace of mind that bring us the customers that someone is at least trying to address the issues of sPvP season 2.

It occurs to me that ANET could implement a survey system in which players can give feedback from inside the game by completing surveys in exchange of small rewards (this could be a powerful tool for ANET if its well developed).

SURVEY? THAT IS WHAT THE FORUMS ARE FOR.

The problem is they spend too much time and effort on reddit (WHICH IS A THIRD PARTY SITE)

Do you think this forum is an accurate cross section of the entire pvp playerbase?

Reddit which you seem to hate so much gets many more posts and comments than this forum does, regardless of its non-official status. Still Reddit isnt a cross section of the player base in any meaningful survey-able way.

Just look at this thread, people dont even understand the basics of how MMR works when you get match against much higher/lower skill teams and yet I see them griping in thread after thread about how unfair the system is being. As if the system itself is out to get them or something and its not just a lack of player skill.

About the only agreeable thing in this entire thread is that they should show our MMR, to just ourselves, so that people stop crying.

Dno, i enjoy the system, it has it’s flaws tho, but they are not with matchmaking. Feels better then a season 1 atleast, but in the casual game as GW 2 i dunno if it’s a good move to tell people where they belong or not. Time will tell i guess.

No way, Anet can talk.

ReaperJr.5967:

Arcade.8901:

ReaperJr.5967:

Arcade.8901:

ReaperJr.5967:

Elyndis.2130:

The problem with divisions is that, right now, they don’t represent MMR. This makes it just as easy for a terrible player to climb up to diamond as it is for a pro, at least for solo queue. For teams, climbing to diamond and beyond doesn’t necessarily imply skill, either.

What this system does measure is improvement. You are required to get better as a player or team in order to beat the 50% odds of winning consistently, but already being better nets you no advantage. This is why MMR tanking exists, of course.

If you want divisions that measure skill, then we would need to change divisions so that they are a reflection of MMR – not something separate.

Untrue. Ruby is the noob filter. If you’re bad you won’t get past ruby. Also, mmr accounts for 50% of matchmaking.

Untrue. Ruby is the luck, grind filter. Apart of that, it’s pretty much a cake walk, if you tanked mmr like a boss. So nah, Diamond is not a start point where the skill is measured.

Kek.

Uh.. sure mate. Everything is a luck grind filter by your logic then. I’m gonna attribute 30 pips to luck grinding, sounds about right.

Lmao.

Sure, if you gone full elitist after scoring diamond, while i, being in the same situation as you are, still see the flaws of the leagues, and know how lucky i was, bad enemies, good team mates, 2 pips for win, 0 for the loose, but ! If you want to overvalue your achievement xD Good luck with it.

Elitist? Hardly. This is just how mmr and leagues work in general. If you’re good you progress, if you’re not you don’t. Luck is a factor, sure, but not a deciding one. And definitely not enough to account for 30 pips. I’m not saying the league isnt flawed, but if you got to diamond through luck you are definitely an outlier.

Personally, i got there with a consistent 60% winrate so..

It’s definitely enough, due to variables which decide your win/loss rate. Team comp, premade/solo q, brainless/veteran spvpers. Etc.

Especially in this meta of low skill play.

And no, i m not outliner, my friends feel the same way. With MMR tanking, there are loads of diamonds who doesn’t even belong there.

So no, this leagues, is a joke and to be honest, alot of people on wrong divisions right now.

ReaperJr.5967:

Arcade.8901:

ReaperJr.5967:

Elyndis.2130:

The problem with divisions is that, right now, they don’t represent MMR. This makes it just as easy for a terrible player to climb up to diamond as it is for a pro, at least for solo queue. For teams, climbing to diamond and beyond doesn’t necessarily imply skill, either.

What this system does measure is improvement. You are required to get better as a player or team in order to beat the 50% odds of winning consistently, but already being better nets you no advantage. This is why MMR tanking exists, of course.

If you want divisions that measure skill, then we would need to change divisions so that they are a reflection of MMR – not something separate.

Untrue. Ruby is the noob filter. If you’re bad you won’t get past ruby. Also, mmr accounts for 50% of matchmaking.

Untrue. Ruby is the luck, grind filter. Apart of that, it’s pretty much a cake walk, if you tanked mmr like a boss. So nah, Diamond is not a start point where the skill is measured.

Kek.

Uh.. sure mate. Everything is a luck grind filter by your logic then. I’m gonna attribute 30 pips to luck grinding, sounds about right.

Lmao.

Sure, if you gone full elitist after scoring diamond, while i, being in the same situation as you are, still see the flaws of the leagues, and know how lucky i was, bad enemies, good team mates, 2 pips for win, 0 for the loose, but ! If you want to overvalue your achievement xD Good luck with it.

ReaperJr.5967:

Elyndis.2130:

The problem with divisions is that, right now, they don’t represent MMR. This makes it just as easy for a terrible player to climb up to diamond as it is for a pro, at least for solo queue. For teams, climbing to diamond and beyond doesn’t necessarily imply skill, either.

What this system does measure is improvement. You are required to get better as a player or team in order to beat the 50% odds of winning consistently, but already being better nets you no advantage. This is why MMR tanking exists, of course.

If you want divisions that measure skill, then we would need to change divisions so that they are a reflection of MMR – not something separate.

Untrue. Ruby is the noob filter. If you’re bad you won’t get past ruby. Also, mmr accounts for 50% of matchmaking.

Untrue. Ruby is the luck, grind filter. Apart of that, it’s pretty much a cake walk, if you tanked mmr like a boss. So nah, Diamond is not a start point where the skill is measured.

Kek.

Interpretor.3091:

Reaper counters Tempest with a coordinated team. As long as you have someone else to focus DPS the tempest and get it down past its passive condition immunity, a reaper condition and poison spamming a tempest will eventually be enough to take it down which is fine. Tempest has a counter, Chrono did not.

So,… what if ! Tempest has a coordinated team as well ?

Hilarious when people bring up a “teamplay” card and suddenly forget, that teamplay works both ways.

Rest in Pips buddy.

twhite.9310:

Darkadonis’ account name is Hugh.1893 which is also Nightmare(Dev Hugh) so he was playing with them as well. Also, what I don’t understand is how you get paired against a 5Q (3 being in Proleague) and obviously Hman isn’t the worst player, get 490 points against that AND still lose a Pip.

Maaagic.

Cynn.1659:

Teamplay is diamond skin counter. You just have to burst down the guy as a taem.

Haha, well it’s not like i m whining, just saying, the Counter play, to a team burst against Diamond skin is …… Teamplay !!!

You know that fancy lil fellow like Mesmer does it, with something like Well of Recognition, which gives time for Ele…. to become immune again ! Woahhhh.

samzius.5809:

cant say ive ever even seen someone play a bunker guard this season…

i did….

rchu.8945:

Iason Evan.3806:

I agree with your points OP. Another thing that is baffling is Why are people who have already qualified for the tournament playing in the qualifier? This is akin to Tiger Woods circa 2002 at the height of his powers playing in a U.S. Open qualifier when he already had a spot in the tournament. It makes zero sense.

I agree 100%.

It’s like NBA stars go play street court basketball, toying and embarrassing people simply for enjoyment and zero challenge.

Nah, it’s more like NBA team fake their IDs to participate in kindergarten basketball championship when their enemies picked up randomly.