Guild Wars 2

Jski.6180:

Dan.2940:

displacedTitan.6897:

The people complaining need to engage their critical thinking skills a bit more. WE (myself included) complain about everything in this game. No one has a good suggestion for a reward that wouldnt cause some part of the playerbase to revolt on these forums. Until everyone stops with the sky is falling crap everytime something happens ANet will not change what they do. Learn to let other people have their cake and eat it and then you can have some of your own.

Actually, if you have been reading the comments, there have been suggestions made, and some which i would be totally fine with. Unique Skins, weapon or armor, a UNLIMITED finisher (and maybe one a little more creative than dolyak? we already have a pvp dolyak finisher), to name a few. All of which have no effect on the economy, they are just rewards to say “HEY, I DID THIS, LOOK AT MY COOL STUFF”.

The problem is that “HEY, I DID THIS, LOOK AT MY COOL STUFF” means every one else who did wvw and pushed the meta ap will have them too. If you truly want something to look like you did well in wvw then it needs to be a much harder skin to get. Its like the old legendary when ppl where first getting them finished in wvw you would not go near that person knowing they played a lot now its not so much because more ppl have legendary.

I really don’t see the problem with everyone who did the achievement getting the unique reward, they had to contribute X amount of sentries, X amount of dolyak kills, X amount of keep captures…. Etc. They helped, they had to have helped, how much they helped is questionable, but if they took their time to complete the achievements, they deserve it just as much as anyone else. Having a certain skins doesn’t make you a better player at all, and if you think only real WvWers should be getting the skin, that’s greedy.

The achievements easily clocked people at 40 hours, I think anyone that played for that long deserves something unique that nobody else can get unless they also did the achievements.

displacedTitan.6897:

The people complaining need to engage their critical thinking skills a bit more. WE (myself included) complain about everything in this game. No one has a good suggestion for a reward that wouldnt cause some part of the playerbase to revolt on these forums. Until everyone stops with the sky is falling crap everytime something happens ANet will not change what they do. Learn to let other people have their cake and eat it and then you can have some of your own.

Actually, if you have been reading the comments, there have been suggestions made, and some which i would be totally fine with. Unique Skins, weapon or armor, a UNLIMITED finisher (and maybe one a little more creative than dolyak? we already have a pvp dolyak finisher), to name a few. All of which have no effect on the economy, they are just rewards to say “HEY, I DID THIS, LOOK AT MY COOL STUFF”.

Tongku.5326:

NargofWoV.4267:

Flytrap.8075:

I’m grateful for the Tomes of Knowledge, personally.

Less time wasted leveling my new Elementalist, more time in WvW.

A lot of my guildies already have all their slots filled with level 80’s what good is a tome? I don’t plan to every make another 80 in this game, so a tome is useless to me. Personally speaking.

Tomes = skill points
skill points = gold
gold = one of the things lack of which WvW players continually complain about

I personally can’t believe how many people do not see this. It doesnt take a PVE player or WvW player, or anything, you dont have to grind for anything either, its a very quick and fast way to make gold in this game. No grinding or max crafting whatsoever required. All anyone has to do is check TP once in a while, run cursor over things and read the descriptions, come to correct conclusions, insta profit. That simple.

I personally can’t believe that there are people in this game that are stupid enough not to see this.

Woah woah, are you honestly calling other people stupid after making that comment? How much gold do u make from 10 level ups and 10 skill points? I also believe i can level up 10 times in a matter of hours, so please explain how i’m going to make 7 weeks worth of cash from doing these achievements rather than dungeoning.

I personally can’t believe how people can see this reward as being deemed “fair”.

I pat Anet on the back for the way they have shaped this game but when they make stupid decisions like this, to skimp out on a reward that won’t even harm the economy, IN A GAME, makes me lose hope in them.

Atherakhia.4086:

This is an mmo. The overwhelming majority of players expect to be rewarded for thea mount of work they put in. While some people may not have had to work toward these achievments, other people have. Not only that, but the reward should reflect 7 weeks worth of work.

This doesn’t mean they should have given us all a full suit of ascended armor, but a unique skin to reflect our contirbution to the effort? An ascended weapon with a unique glow? A unique weapon skin? Anything…

I fully expected the generic 1st 2nd 3rd place rewards to be bunk. A gold, silver, bronze finisher was all I was hoping for. But everyone who completed this achievement should have gotten something equivilent to what others get in PvE.

It often takes 2 days to do all of the achievements for a living story event with only a few hours each day and from that you get a skin, a bag of loot, etc. For 7 weeks of effort (took me 5 weeks to get all the achievements without going too far out of my way to get them done), I get far less than I receive from a couple hours of doing a living story event.

And then worse still is we had a blog post outlining some rather amazing loot changes coming for sPvP and a video this evening going into further detail about all of that. How much do you want to bet the sPvP rewards are inifinitely better?

WvW is a second thought for ANet and the amount of effort that went into this season is proof that they can’t be bothered to take it seriously.

While I agree with the majority of your comment, you can’t even say that they put sPvP in front of WvW… SPvP up until now had ranks that unlocked pvp skins as a reward, is that motivation? Sure you could say it wasn’t anets fault for gw2’s missed esports opportunity, but when everyone was looking for their sPvP support at launch, they were off in PvE land, they neglect both WvW and sPvP, but I’m pretty sure in the long run, WvW has been given alot more attention… Edge of the mists? GvG area in the JP? Ruins? Meta achievement for playing WvW?

Solstice.1097:

Dan.2940:

Solstice.1097:

Do you want even more non-WvW players in WvW chasing rewards?

Do you play WvW for the rewards or for the game mode itself?

First we complain about too many PvE players chasing rewards and then we complain about not good enough rewards. There is no right answer and so we the WvW community look like a bunch of whiny jerks and then we wonder why Anet doesn’t want to give us more attention.

I agree the rewards are lame but I honestly can’t think of anything that would have made me excited that would NOT have also had a more detrimental effect in filling WvW with more rally-bait carrot-chasers.

My point is – no matter how correct or justified you are, know what you want to accomplish and be constructive towards it because right now we’re just solidifying our place on the back burner.

I think that people have every right to whine about the rewards right now. This was a 7 week meta achievement and we got a reward you can grind out in hours of playing… I play WvW for the game mode, but sometimes people need motivation to play, so many more people played WvW just for this reward and it was amazing! Now that people know the reward isn’t worth the time, it won’t be nearly as fun in season 2, when not even half of the population will be participating.. They screwed up once again on something that seems like such simple logic… I really want to know who brainstormed these rewards, because they seriously need to be talked to or fired. End of story.

I’m not sure if the intent of my post reached you. Yes they have every right to complain but how is that helping anything? Being negative is going to get us less Anet attention, not more.

So is that why flame kissed armor is being changed? From people keeping quiet?

Solstice.1097:

Do you want even more non-WvW players in WvW chasing rewards?

Do you play WvW for the rewards or for the game mode itself?

First we complain about too many PvE players chasing rewards and then we complain about not good enough rewards. There is no right answer and so we the WvW community look like a bunch of whiny jerks and then we wonder why Anet doesn’t want to give us more attention.

I agree the rewards are lame but I honestly can’t think of anything that would have made me excited that would NOT have also had a more detrimental effect in filling WvW with more rally-bait carrot-chasers.

My point is – no matter how correct or justified you are, know what you want to accomplish and be constructive towards it because right now we’re just solidifying our place on the back burner.

I think that people have every right to whine about the rewards right now. This was a 7 week meta achievement and we got a reward you can grind out in hours of playing… I play WvW for the game mode, but sometimes people need motivation to play, so many more people played WvW just for this reward and it was amazing! Now that people know the reward isn’t worth the time, it won’t be nearly as fun in season 2, when not even half of the population will be participating.. They screwed up once again on something that seems like such simple logic… I really want to know who brainstormed these rewards, because they seriously need to be talked to or fired. End of story.

tribehead.2586:

Herro, im tribe and ill be playing main bunker from now on. I can play main bunk defensively on guardian and offensively on warrior. I also play a spirit ranger but that role is being filled by another teammate on warrior. We are looking to find some good players since we need to fill 2 slots for the core, but I also want to make it an overflow team. Basically I want to start open recruits with dueling and testing in tournys. message or mail me ingame if you are interested.

TLDR; Hi my name is Tribe, and i play all speccs that require little to no skill, this is the 50th post I have made looking for players to carry Gods Sacred and I, why hasnt anyone joined yet??

jimmyimo.2089:

kitten this game. Email me when it is fixed. Utter garbage. Even Tetris is more competitive than this piece of kitten. Stop making PvP attractive for casuals it is honestly horsekitten; if someone does not have time to practice for a 100 meter sprint they are also not going to make him run only 10. What the actual kitten. Go integrate a kittening dedicated healer already so I can carry these kittening kittensticks and then you at least create an environment that allows for other game types. Now, you have to split it up because otherwise it becomes a kittening faceroll festival. Are you sure you created Guild Wars 1? Because I cannot believe this incompetent bunch of mentally handicapped developers would ever be able to create a PvP oriented game like that one.

/Uninstall

I hate to agree with this, but i do…. CC warriors, hardly any skill required (go ahead qq warriors, you know its true), necros that can literally spam skills and win, people who bunk in a hotjoin? What is this crap? I play a game to have fun, not to rage when someone beats you by out spamming their skills…. And the way you earn glory in a hotjoin? through wins? Everyone zergs even that much harder now, this is turning into WvW…

Pyroatheist.9031:

Gracious.4279:

Chaith.8256:

Gracious.4279:

hey, this is me female mind games.

If you know me chances are you either actually know me or you have a ginormous amount of hate towards me. I just wanna make this thread to say that Im addicted to guild wars pretty badly, and openly admit that. Im not new to getting trolled, or trolling others for that matter. But I just wanna make it clear that I do not at all run an OP mesmer build, contrary to very popular belief..

I understand hate towards mesmer because of clones and how much an advantage that aspect gives them. But if you think Im just a cheesy mesmer, let me explain what I have been running in all forms of pvp, for about 10 months now.

basic shatter build 20/20/0/0/30 main focus being to rupt skills for more damage, and plenty crit damage to go along with fury on phantasms and increased chance crit on mind wrack. I use GS, sword/pistol.

My utilities are Arcane Thievery, Blink, and Portal. I use Mass invis mostly, as my elite.

I wanna see some of you pro mesmers out there try running arcane thievery and then call me a cheesy mesmer, when 80% of mesmers are running decoy, veil, blink, and mass invis with buffs on stealth.

Im just tired of all the unconditional hate… can we please all just cool out? I wanna play at least 2 matches of hotjoin or tournies without someone hate mailing me. The only thing thats gonna happen is I send all your condis back to you in a 1v1, you die and get mad calling me a cheesy mesmer. Also, portaling out from a 3v1 to backcap is a good play, ask the best mesmer themself, Legend Supcutie.

Does anyone else use Arcane Thievery?

Why do you love yourself so much? Why are you making self-titled thread, implying the gw2 community has any popular opinions about ‘Female Mind Games’ the Mesmer? Addressing the haters? Why did you attempt to change the topic of the thread to Mesmer Utilities when it’s clearly about your e-fame, lol?

Chaith youre just mad cuz youre not the only Maurader title in ebay HotM. And youre one to talk about E-fame. Youre one of the gw2 esport maniacs.

I respect you bro, but you dont feel the pain of being a mesmer who doesnt go with the meta yet still get called OP. Im just another squirrel thats helping the game by running something different, and I really wanted to know if other ppl use arcane thievery.

Also I barley ever use the forums, you be trollin just to get mad at someone for explaining their experience over the year.

Right, but people actually know Chaith, and he also doesn’t go around making threads devoted to tooting his own horn.

If he doesn’t care about e-fame, why is it that he found the need to comment complaining about someone else being an e-fame farmer? I’m sorry but some of you forum posters take this game, and the forums WAY too seriously and if you honestly have nothing else worth complaining about in your life, you have it pretty good. Sure it’s clear that FMG made this post most likely in attempt for some small e-fame gain, but why make a stink about it? Especially when the most views any streamer has ever gotten on twitch for gw2 probably caps at 200…

Chaith, your a good guy (hence “Good Guy Chaith”) but lets be real here….
Why do you put “Chaith” in your gw2 stream title if you don’t want people to watch it due to you being a known player? “Engi” will do just fine, and viewers following you will get an email nonetheless.

Chaith.8256:

Gracious.4279:

hey, this is me female mind games.

If you know me chances are you either actually know me or you have a ginormous amount of hate towards me. I just wanna make this thread to say that Im addicted to guild wars pretty badly, and openly admit that. Im not new to getting trolled, or trolling others for that matter. But I just wanna make it clear that I do not at all run an OP mesmer build, contrary to very popular belief..

I understand hate towards mesmer because of clones and how much an advantage that aspect gives them. But if you think Im just a cheesy mesmer, let me explain what I have been running in all forms of pvp, for about 10 months now.

basic shatter build 20/20/0/0/30 main focus being to rupt skills for more damage, and plenty crit damage to go along with fury on phantasms and increased chance crit on mind wrack. I use GS, sword/pistol.

My utilities are Arcane Thievery, Blink, and Portal. I use Mass invis mostly, as my elite.

I wanna see some of you pro mesmers out there try running arcane thievery and then call me a cheesy mesmer, when 80% of mesmers are running decoy, veil, blink, and mass invis with buffs on stealth.

Im just tired of all the unconditional hate… can we please all just cool out? I wanna play at least 2 matches of hotjoin or tournies without someone hate mailing me. The only thing thats gonna happen is I send all your condis back to you in a 1v1, you die and get mad calling me a cheesy mesmer. Also, portaling out from a 3v1 to backcap is a good play, ask the best mesmer themself, Legend Supcutie.

Does anyone else use Arcane Thievery?

Why do you love yourself so much? Why are you making self-titled thread, implying the gw2 community has any popular opinions about ‘Female Mind Games’ the Mesmer? Addressing the haters? Why did you attempt to change the topic of the thread to Mesmer Utilities when it’s clearly about your e-fame, lol?

E-fame from gw2? Is he going to get a whole 20 viewers when he streams the game now? Maybe he just wants to talk because hes bored, you didn’t have to click the thread link, but you did, just like 400+ others. DAE use scorpion wire though?

Is this a GW2 AA meeting?

Hi, my name is Dan, and I’m also an addict.
It started on day one, GW2 launch release, I had preordered the game to get that 3 day head start! Oh boy! Coming straight from GW1 I knew I was in for a treat… A treat that would keep me playing day after day…. At first it started off with the simple pve grind, but eventually I became bored as the mobs would not quench my thirst for kills so i converted to a hardcore pvper and eventually met some chill people, one of them being some kid named female mind games. Everyday we would log on to gw2 take our medical herbs and spices and continue our brutal addiction of slaughtering innocents who were not up to par with our pvp skills. Although our guild had no real moto, there was a bible rule we all followed “Thou shall pack a bowl and play gw2”. It has been more than a year now and we still share this addiction. The Great Depression of Esports has come and gone and has left everyone dazed and confused, I even question my own motives sometimes, do I want bear finisher? Or a PvE legendary weapon?

I feel you gracious, I feel you.

Gracious.4279:

Tough to guess.. but if I had to put my money on it

Your whole $3.50?

Infor.9703:

Since grinding glory surely means you are skilled in tpvp?

Dude, don’t you know? Gods Sacred plays bunker guard, hardest specc to play in the game! His team is trying to find a skilled stun lock warrior because none of them have the required skillcap to play it.

Tron Jeremy best Shortbow #3 spammer [NA]

It’s quite clear that playing the same maps in WvW over and over can be boring and get quite dull so my friends and I brainstormed the idea for WvW seasonal reskins. It’s a simple concept, for whatever actual season we are currently in, reskin WvW!

For example,
During Halloween:
Reskin the map with fog, swamps, cemetaries.
Make the NPC’s Ghosts, skeletons.
Make the towers haunted and creepy looking.
Maybe add in a halloween extra objective.

During Christmas:
Reskin the map with snow, lollipops, stockings
Make the NPC’s Reindeer, snowmen, elves
Make the towers snow forts
Maybe add in a Christmas extra objective (Snowball fights?)

I feel like something as simple as a concept as reskinning WvW with these skins would greatly increase interest in the are of WvW, bring people back, keep people entertained. Reskins for mobs should be fairly simple since those skins have already been created, old skins from halloween and christmas events can be reused for the map aswell.

Dio.2394:

Dan.2940:

Yes, but it seems like you’re dodging around the statement that you do enjoy PvP by saying that you just enjoy WvW in general. PvP is the biggest part of what makes WvW what it is, if we were just fighting mobs that wouldn’t be any fun. Now what i’m saying is, if you are with 1 or 2 friends and i were to walk into you guys trying to fight, would you run to your camp or tower for support? or fight the fair fight? I’m already outnumbered so why do you have to retreat to a camp to fight? These are the people i’m talking about.

A couple things.

First, what makes something fun for you is not always what makes something fun for someone else. Maybe just realize that and leave it be instead of trying to berate people for not having your “superior” form of fun.

Second, there are actually lots of good reasons to “hug towers” (or camps). If that tower has no one in and you are responsible for keeping it from being taken, you want to be in that tower as much as possible. If someone is running supply to said tower, stopping to 1v1 and losing might cause the loss of the tower. Similarly, if you are in the tower and go out to 1v1, you might cause the loss of the tower.

I spend much more time than I would really like on defense and I can’t tell you how many times I have seen someone go out to duel someone 1v1 and then two thieves un-stealth and gank the person.

Also, I have on many occasions seen 1-3 players trying to encourage the defenders to come out and open field fight and then once the defenders are too far from the door to get back inside, a zerg of 10-15 comes from the other direction and takes the tower.

You personally might not engage in such tactics, but they do happen frrequently, and EBay is more fond of them than any other server I have faced.

Ok, i’m not pushing my form of fun on him, but he admitted to enjoying fighting others, is that called something else in WvW? Cause i thought that’s still technically PvP…. In the end, we are enjoying the same thing, WvW. You’re right, he may find fun in fighting in bigger groups, and for me in smaller groups, but my statement was adressing the players who will only fight you if their group is bigger than yours or if they have a tower or camp to support them. That makes it a quite unfair fight for the people on the receiving end, don’t you think? So why is it that these people don’t enjoy fair fights? Even if you lose, what’s to be afraid of dying in a game?

I just find it annoying, as well as many others, when we go to WvW expecting some player activity and some fair fights, and when we get there, people hide in the towers or camps, leaving no choice but to zerg… What happened to small group fights of 5 or 10?

Stone.6751:

Not exactly.

What I’m saying is that I enjoy WvW as a complete package that includes small group roaming, camp flipping and yak killing, the leadership of commanding a group, coordinating and communicating with my team, offensive siege warfare against towers and keeps, the strategy of where to attack and when, large scale battles (zerg on zerg), and yes even scouting can be an important role and enjoyable at times (depending on my energy level and mood).

I’ll happily hang out and scout a tower or camp for a brief time and communicate enemy movement and numbers to our commanders if its going to benefit our overall success. And yes, I would do that over a 1v1 duel if my overall goal was to be alive at that particular camp as a scout for the benefit of my team.

Some of us do enjoy playing for points, playing with strategy and tactics, and look at the entire picture of what our server is doing instead of simply focusing on getting into as many fights as possible.

Now let me also clarify that fighting is a very enjoyable part of the package that is WvW. In fact without it the whole thing would be rather pointless. Running around PvDoor is incredibly boring and if that’s all there was to WvW no one would play (except some people farming I suppose). My ideal night in WvW would be with a group of 3-7 people flipping camps and towers, disrupting our opponents supply lines, distracting their focus on defending their BL instead of going offensive into our BL, resetting upgraded towers, maybe ninja-flipping a keep if we are lucky, and all the while running into small groups of 5-20 enemies to fight. But, my actual focus in WvW is to help my server win, and I’ll take on a number of roles in order to make that happen be it scout, yak escort, running supply to repair walls, etc.

On the issue of my Guardian’s build the point I was making is simply that not everyone is optimized for 1v1 fights. I’m pretty confident that unless you really suck, you are probably going to kill me in a 1v1 fight especially if you are roaming and looking for just such a fight. My guardian has a staff (terrible single-target damage), is set up with traits that only benefit me when I heal/buff allies, etc. So while I want to run with groups (small and large), I’m not really interested in dueling. This would be even more the case if I’m doing any of things I listed above – yak escort, supply run, scout, etc.

Make sense now?

Yes, but it seems like you’re dodging around the statement that you do enjoy PvP by saying that you just enjoy WvW in general. PvP is the biggest part of what makes WvW what it is, if we were just fighting mobs that wouldn’t be any fun. Now what i’m saying is, if you are with 1 or 2 friends and i were to walk into you guys trying to fight, would you run to your camp or tower for support? or fight the fair fight? I’m already outnumbered so why do you have to retreat to a camp to fight? These are the people i’m talking about.

Delvoire.8930:

inazuma.7021:

Wait… Scarlett Johansson is the Big Bad?

I would pay lots of Gems for that.

New Scarlett Johansson skin tight suits incoming.

Martin Kerstein.3071:

DoctorOverlord.8620:

@Dan.2940 – Actually I’d be fine with one of the CM’s who has a sense of humor

A CM with a sense of humor? That is crazy talk :P

You can’t just comment like this and not follow up!

Shiren.9532:

DoctorOverlord.8620:

Spendingallmytime.7249:

To sweeten the pot, the forums offer DoctorOverlord.8620 as a pawn in your dastardly deeds.

Bah! I am too preoccupied with my own schemes to aid in other’s plans! My intent is to see whether this Scarlet truly warrants the classification of ‘Villainous Mastermind’ or if it is just graffiti and poems. This mystery entity has shown a skilled ability to avoid a charr ranger’s arrows but how will they deal with the venomous barbs of an MMO forum?

@Dan.2940 – Actually I’d be fine with one of the CM’s who has a sense of humor

Scarlet is really Jennah’s emo sister, jealous of her popularity and Logan’s attention for Jennah. Her way of acting out is to write threatening poetry about Jennah, and fan-fiction about Logan. The final conclusion is Rytlock is brought in to baby-sit where they both bond over their feelings for Logan.

So if they are sisters, how do you figure Scarlet being made of leaves?

If you’re looking for an Arenanet dev to post a response pretending to be “Scarlet” I think you might be setting yourself up for dissapointment…

Tanith.5264:

Should we attach any significance to the colors used in the vandalism? Red, black, and green?

Red – There will be blood
Black – Once you are dead you see black
Green – The hulk will be attending

3 colors are used – Half Life 3 Confirmed

galandor.1059:

So I just built a turret build and was curious to see peoples thoughts. Yes I know, blah blah, they are not viable, blah blah. Anyways, I was curious if there are any other turret engi’s out there that mind sharing their builds.Trying to build one atm and I am curious to see others builds and how they compare to mine. I built mine as a side point defender as that is a point where I can put my turrets into strategic locations, up on ledges, away from the points, to shoot into the point, etc., Good players will obviously walk over and attack the turrets taking them out 1 by 1, I know this, but I feel I might be able to give them some defense with my abilities, knockbacks, shield throw, etc.,

I had to come to a decision to either go for more turret damage and toughness, or reduced cool down on my pistol, I elected for the toughness and turret damage, but I gotta play around with it some to see if I really miss the lower CD on the pistol.

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=VVRw;0B-cPFs0Q6NSFx0;9;6TT9;403B05B5;0CV;1o;0Rk06Rk069cl

edit: Blah, I just noticed I don’t have a kit, therefore, speedy kits, is utterly useless, meeeeeeeeeeh, scratch the build, back to the drawing board ><

Swap healing turret for med packs, GG, free speed. But then you don’t even need the trait because med kit comes with 1

Gnat.9405:

In that case for every character we will either be able to A.) slam all the scrolls on one character if it is X amount of XP or B.) Create tons of level X characters if the scroll is similar to the scroll we got from the achievement chest.

Should be interesting either way

I doubt they changed anything about the scroll from the last one we got, it’s probably a 1 time use consumable that makes a character lvl 20.

Gnat.9405:

So this experience scroll will be given to a character for their first birthday. Therefor, I’m assuming it will be soulbound on acquisition.

My question is, unless I’m wrong and the scroll will be account bound, what use will a one year old (presumably level 80) character have with a scroll that gives xp?

i’m assuming the scroll will be account bound, like the last one we recieved, otherwise, you are right, it’s useless.

Stone.6751:

Dan.2940:

Sil.4560:

God, YB is as bad as BP with hiding in the towers. Almost an hour in their BL and I couldn’t get one person to actually duel me. Always gotta be 3:1 or better. One guy of higher rank than me actually hid inside a camp, behind the guards of all things. Wouldn’t come out and play, so I walked off, went in a big circle, came back, and capped it anyway. I am disappoint.

I honestly don’t understand why people bother playing the game if they aren’t going to PLAY THE GAME. If you’re in WvW, you obviously enjoy PvP so why are you making the NPC’s do the work for you? Or why wait until you outnumber the enemy to attack? If you don’t enjoy using SKILL to beat players, go back to PvE where you can gang up with your group and auto attack a mob to death.

If you “honestly” don’t understand, allow me to explain.

Not everyone plays World vs. World because they want to duel players. Some people play because they enjoy WvW in its entirety – and fighting is just one part of it! I for one really don’t enjoy PvP at all in almost any game.

Additionally, some players are not built for dueling, so there is no illusion that someone who is roaming solo is probably built for it and will likely spike them. My Guardian is a great example of a really good team player built off buffing and healing others, and in a mid-large group she is a beast. But she doesn’t do enough burst damage to take down most players 1v1, and if I’m facing a Mesmer or a Thief I’m smart enough to know the fight is just going to be annoying.

So if I’m the guy standing in the camp defending it – perhaps communicating enemy movement to a camp that we strategically need to feed a tower or keep we are trying to upgrade – why would I give that up to jump into a 1v1 fight with someone who has multiple advantages over me in 1v1 play?

BTW, it wasn’t me in the camp but I thought it might help you to understand an easy concept that apparently isn’t understood by some people.

So what you’re saying is, you enjoy roaming with a zerg, but you solo roam to towers to report 1 or 2 enemies coming by? Yes, that sounds like an important job. It just baffles me that people play WvW, knowing that 70% of the gameplay there is PvP, and then they say they don’t enjoy PvP. Healing and protecting allies against enemies is technically PvP (refer to monks from gw1).

Frosch.7809:

Many people do not want to fight 1 vs 1, if you can’t accept it then that’s entirely your problem. Calling it “idiotic” does not get you any more duels. Your way of defining the Game is not everyone’s, actually the roamers looking for 1 vs 1 are a minority in WvW. Go to a fight club maybe? But you have to stick to certain rules there, oh my…

You clearly aren’t reading my comments properly, i never mentioned that it had to be a 1v1. Heck i ran into players the other day that wouldn’t even fight me with 2 people, what’s up with that? I’m only saying that players shouldn’t have the mindset that they need more players or some form of advantage to beat other players, not saying that they are entitled to 1v1 me. Look at it from another perspective, i’m roaming with 4 other players, they also have 5 players, but instead of fighting us, let’s lure them to our tower so we can use our siege and NPC’s. I guess some people call that “smart” but to me, that’s just as bad as a thief running away with stealth. There is no chance of you killing them once they go in that tower, just like there is no chance of you catching that thief.

Kronyx.2570:

Its funny how many of the people complaining on players running away from duels are Mesmers and Thieves. Whenever I see a thief who has not attacked me yet, I don’t even bother. Why? Because when I do kick their kitten down 5% hp they run away.

Read my signature, Thief, Ele, Guard, Engi, and i also have a lvl 80 Warrior, but apparently i’m labelled as thief main when i make a comment? It’s great that you can get a thief down to 5%, just goes to show that they are only OP at running right? I’m curious as to what you play so i can label that class as your main and explain to you how your class is OP at running or taking care of themselves.

Rangers – Can run for days
Warriors – Don’t even get me started
Mesmers – Don’t have to run, 3 invis, 1 blink
Necro – No explanation needed
Elementalist – Can mist form into portals, has a blink, Armor of earth, Fiery GS
Guardian – Brick house, retaliation for days, doesn’t need to run
Engineer – Rocket boots, perma swiftness, invis, Elixir S

Every class is capable of running, or taking care of themselves if it comes down to it, so you can’t even pin down the thieves abusive stealth mechanic as a cheap getaway. It’s literally their only form of survival.

Frosch.7809:

Some people will always complain about others not playing the way they want them to and call it unfair or cowardly or what not, i couldn’t care less about that.

Go to PvP if you want duels or organize a fight club. WvW is about your server, about teamplay, not about anyone individually, and every server uses numerical superiority to their advantadge. People conveniently ignore that.

Oooh people play “idiotic” because they won’t let my stealth abuser backstab them!

Yes, lets go to sPvP to duel when we just finished gearing our player and getting them to 80, so we can duel with stats that are less than in WvW. Makes sense man.

Obviously WvW is about team play, I never once said that you had to solo roam. Zerging is also part of WvW and is technically intended for WvW. HOWEVER, when you have players with the mindset that they can’t beat someone unless they outnumber them, have siege, or have NPC’s to help, you can’t tell me that is not idiotic thinking. Do you enjoy fighting a elementalist who fights near a tower, gets downed in a 1v1 and mist forms into the tower to deny your kill? Or perhaps you enjoy players who will go into a group of 10 and hunt down 1 player til hes dead? Guess that takes some serious 1 spamming skill!

Art.9820:

Dan.2940:

Sil.4560:

God, YB is as bad as BP with hiding in the towers. Almost an hour in their BL and I couldn’t get one person to actually duel me. Always gotta be 3:1 or better. One guy of higher rank than me actually hid inside a camp, behind the guards of all things. Wouldn’t come out and play, so I walked off, went in a big circle, came back, and capped it anyway. I am disappoint.

I honestly don’t understand why people bother playing the game if they aren’t going to PLAY THE GAME. If you’re in WvW, you obviously enjoy PvP so why are you making the NPC’s do the work for you? Or why wait until you outnumber the enemy to attack? If you don’t enjoy using SKILL to beat players, go back to PvE where you can gang up with your group and auto attack a mob to death.

Don’t even bother Dan.

Some friendly advice.

Yup. I know that people won’t change the way they play just because i made a comment, but they might think twice about how idiotic their playstyle is.

Sil.4560:

God, YB is as bad as BP with hiding in the towers. Almost an hour in their BL and I couldn’t get one person to actually duel me. Always gotta be 3:1 or better. One guy of higher rank than me actually hid inside a camp, behind the guards of all things. Wouldn’t come out and play, so I walked off, went in a big circle, came back, and capped it anyway. I am disappoint.

I honestly don’t understand why people bother playing the game if they aren’t going to PLAY THE GAME. If you’re in WvW, you obviously enjoy PvP so why are you making the NPC’s do the work for you? Or why wait until you outnumber the enemy to attack? If you don’t enjoy using SKILL to beat players, go back to PvE where you can gang up with your group and auto attack a mob to death.

nothing.7941:

Lolfael.7512:

wow you nerds take this game 2 seriously lol!

You’re just having a hard time dealing with how much better our nerds are than yours. Back to crown pavilion with you, we have some doors to kick!

While i’ll admit that BP is getting better every time we get matched up with you guys, there’s still a great population of your server that still tower hugs and requires a large group or siege to win a small fight.

Narcin Roc.3018:

I cannot believe this is happening. This isn’t the first time this has happened, and i doubt it will be the last. Load into a 1v5, amazing.

Oh hi there Narcin, you might want to cover up the chat before posting a screenshot, i now know that Joe goes to school in Boston and they have some “good kitten” there, which i can only guess is referring to indoor plants.

BlackBeard.2873:

Dan.2940:

Hawatak.8049:

No we didn’t —--15 char

Why do people say “15 char” at the end of their posts?

Every message must be at least 15 characters, so quick responses add that to meed the minimum.

Ah, i see —--15 chars
xD

DoomMagick.5963:

Dan.2940:

DoomMagick.5963:

Just like to point out this EB [Charr] guild is a sack load of kittenty hackers. that is all.

[CHAR] are a lot of things, but hackers? Not in a million years.
Please know what you’re talking about next time before accusing people of hacking, you instantly get titled “Noob” unless you have some kind of proof (Pics, Video).

I could care less what you or anyone else title me, think of me or any kittening thing.. I HATE hackers/cheaters and call them out every time I possible(when there’s a guild of em) in hopes people realize ohh so that’s why they SEEMED “good”; placing any form of hacks on forums gets deleted and you get warned.. i know because I have tried before, sorry. pics can’t prove someone is teleport hacking because there are teleport skills, but there are only SO MANY and when they go beyond those or like the downed [CHARR] warrior who teleported to avoid being stomped last night..lol
I also received a couple PM’s from people from EB saying how much they hate [CHARR] no i will not put screen shots of it because they clearly wanted to be anonymous. It only further encourages me to peruse informing everyone what these guys truly are.
Your welcome.

Next time you see it, record it. There’s no excuse for accusing someone of hacking when you literally have no proof to back it up. I’m not calling you a liar, but it makes your post, and statement, worth nothing. I know a decent amount of players from CHAR and they just like to troll people. Not all of them, but a lot of them, that is why people on Ebay complain about them. I’m 90% certain that none of them would even consider hacking, so generalizing the whole guild as hackers is pretty unfair.

Next time record it, if it’s true, the player(s) will be banned for certain, until then, you can’t do anything about it. Spreading potential lies about their guild doesn’t make you a better person than a hacker.

Hawatak.8049:

No we didn’t —--15 char

Why do people say “15 char” at the end of their posts?

Aeolus.3615:

Dan.2940:

Aeolus.3615:

Xirin.8593:

Aeolus.3615:

the only problem i found with thief is their stealth finish that dont get KB, if they dont have stability on, they should be knockbacked.

Stealth does not provide invulnerability to knockback…

As i said it was on the stealth finishing action, i dint want do say stealth avoids KB… sorry i dint said if is smoke field or black powder that makes concecrations or shield 5 fail to KB the thief, either the cases if no stability then shouldbe KB as any other class.

PS: my doubt was if was a smoke field combo or black powder itself that negates the KB effect when thiefs fineshes in stealth .

bad English i know…working on that!

Dude, if you see a smoke field, dont walk inside of it, it blinds you :l …. Use the knockback outside of the field to knock them back. If you are downed, you can’t do anything if they drop black powder, but downed skills only delay the inevitible

As i said caster is not blinded it doesnt need to enter smoke field to cast sanctuary at distance, as example if castter use a traited santuary when it tries to save a downed ally with sanctuary, thief performs the stealth kill w/o being KB, ive noticed this as in allied thiefs do the same that is how i noticed thiefs werent being KB when finishing in that case.

Sanctuary only knocks back targets when it hits them, you can stand just outside of sanctuary and stomp someone, you missed the thief because you couldn’t see them and they were standing a good distance away. Not the best way to counter a stomp.
The shield of absorption #5 shield skill, works every time if they don’t have stability, or aren’t blinded.

Aeolus.3615:

Xirin.8593:

Aeolus.3615:

the only problem i found with thief is their stealth finish that dont get KB, if they dont have stability on, they should be knockbacked.

Stealth does not provide invulnerability to knockback…

As i said it was on the stealth finishing action, i dint want do say stealth avoids KB… sorry i dint said if is smoke field or black powder that makes concecrations or shield 5 fail to KB the thief, either the cases if no stability then shouldbe KB as any other class.

PS: my doubt was if was a smoke field combo or black powder itself that negates the KB effect when thiefs fineshes in stealth .

bad English i know…working on that!

Dude, if you see a smoke field, dont walk inside of it, it blinds you :l …. Use the knockback outside of the field to knock them back. If you are downed, you can’t do anything if they drop black powder, but downed skills only delay the inevitible

Whispering.8672:

There is no need to change servers. Anvil Rock is a great place. We have all had our ups and downs but Anvil Rock is on the way back up. We have a great group of people on our server who make the game more fun for all.

Join us!!

Booooo, i swapped from AR because nobody was serious about WvW, our keep in Eternal was constantly capped by the enemies so you couldn’t even do the JP, the AR population is too dominated by sPvPers. Although in most cases, sPvPers are very good players due to only playing PvP, they hardly step foot out of the Mists. I was almost the same way before i swapped servers, discouraged from playing WvW because there was nobody there.

However…. If we all thought this way, all the lower tier servers would die, that’s why i approve of bigger guilds from higher tiers to swap down to servers like AR, too many high tier guilds stack on one server to win, wheres the fun/challenge in that?

Expiatus.4210:

Dan.2940:

Wow Nick, be respectful please
Join me in Ehmry, and together we will be unstoppable, you know you want to.

You got a Luke/Darth Vader vibe going on there….and yes EBay is very much the “dark side”.

Yeah, we do, and he doesn’t realize that if he doesn’t swap servers hes gonna get his hand cut off

Obscure One.4357:

Silas Drake.8946:

Obscure One.4357:

mrmadhaze.8706:

Misinformation. Misinformation everywhere.

Yeap.

Clarifications
Stealth is a defensive means of mitigating damage by becoming untargetable. Stealth grants neither invulnerability nor stability. Note skills with long warm up times that are activated while the target is visible and then gains stealth during that time are not interrupted and target as normal. Subsequent attempts to target (or generally know where the player is) are nullified for the duration of said stealth, thereby mitigating direct damage by up to 100% depending on how well the attacking player can predict the position of an invisible target.

Just wanna throw this in there. Some attack need a target to active, not everything is melee sweeping auto attack or ground targetable. Also stealth provides(spec provided) a lot of condition removal, tons of healing over time, and in the case of say my Mesmer boons.

If stealth didn’t provide so much outside of its targeting issues and gaining the stealther position I think we would have a whole new conversation.

Imagine no healing and free offensive conditions removal in some way. Or even a penalty for healing.

I hope one day a mmo comes around without a pure invisible mechanic for stealth. It only brings headaches for both user and victim.
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Incorrect

You are associating the things the Thief can do when activating or while being stealthed to the stealth effect itself. Stealth does not inherently cure conditions nor provide healing.

Stealth can provide healing if traited for it, Shadow Refuge also heals you while activated.

Jinks.2057:

Dan.2940:

You guys could start your own thread trying to troll each other for 5 pages back and forth, just agree to a duel to settle this, or chill on the video game drama

We fought twice and he got smoked twice.

I then offered to 1v5 his guild….he refused.

I know you did, but without video proof, trolls will be trolls.
You should know that of all people Jinks

Thing that was stupid about voting was, you could vote as many times as you wanted, as long as you had the time and the money… To me, that doesn’t truly depict a favorite… It could have been 1 person who voted for Kiel 1,000,000 times and the Evon voters only voted once or twice because they assumed everyone else was voting for him anyways. Players should have been given 1 vote per account…

I can’t judge either fractal before they are even released, but how much gw2 asura lab content do we need? Don’t give me the excuse that GW1 content is old and we should stick with new stuff, its content from GW1 that we didn’t experience or see… There was already a ton of content in the Asuran area regarding the inquest so how is THAT not “Old news”. Unless you are really addicted to the story of the inquest I don’t see why you would vote for Kiel based on that…

Waypoint costs vs Black lion key price drop is a debate that could go either way, for me, waypoint cost reduction is useless, its a few extra copper or silver, how often do i travel that i need to reduce the price of the already low price to WP? Black lion chests now give A LOT of RNG skins that people LOVE, and with each new patch, more skins are released, some of which can only be obtained through the chests. I don’t agree with RNG, but if Anet only makes these skins available in that way, why not take the reduced key price.

You guys could start your own thread trying to troll each other for 5 pages back and forth, just agree to a duel to settle this, or chill on the video game drama

DoomMagick.5963:

Just like to point out this EB [Charr] guild is a sack load of kittenty hackers. that is all.

[CHAR] are a lot of things, but hackers? Not in a million years.
Please know what you’re talking about next time before accusing people of hacking, you instantly get titled “Noob” unless you have some kind of proof (Pics, Video).

http://weknowmemes.com/generator/meme/250246/

Guess you’re looking for a girl group because of people like THIS who are trying to get it “in” on a online game.

GodsSacred.3580:

Hey Gods Sacred here r52, top25 QP bunker guardian NA just wanted to slide in and let you know that I would like to have a chat with you in game sometime, ill pm you soon.

Sacred, thought you and tribe were bunking it out in a corner somewhere?

Wow Nick, be respectful please
Join me in Ehmry, and together we will be unstoppable, you know you want to.

Tisk Tisk Nick, hop off that sinking ship that is Anvil Rock while you can and swim to the bay!
Ehmry bay that is.

Xenon.4537:

Dan.2940:

Xenon.4537:

I think the simplest fix would be to put a 5 second icd on the smoke field leap finisher proc.

Thieves don’t have cooldowns, increasing the initiative use on that skill would nerf D/P S/P and P/P thieves into the ground. Then you’ll get thieves complaining that their class needs a huge buff.

I don’t think you understood me. The stealth from executing a leap finisher in a smoke field isn’t exclusive to the thief. Putting a 5 second internal cooldown on that proc would affect everyone equally, and it has nothing to do with initiative. The only thing it would do is prevent stacking stealth from the same combo field.

Lol, do you know how choppy that would make thieves? Why should other classes be able to stack invis in a smoke field but not thieves, the stealthy class?

Do kite fortunes still drop? I think i have like 150 scraps and kinda wanted another helm.