Guild Wars 2

ohhhh okay. thanks.

I don’t use gs much

mirror blade no longer bounces? can’t seem to find any patch notes

they’re just using standard player models (which you should use if you spvp, it’s in the options) which provides consistency with animations/movement.

Updated to this point.

Summary:
- 23 responses
- 3 in MMR Hell
- 11 think they are in the right division
- still no players believe they should be emerald/sapphire (probably due to safety barriers?)

Topic edited to be more objective.

Resulted updated to this point.

@Highlie – thanks for answering

Just curious – if your current division is Amber and you think you should be Amber, what makes you believe in MMR Hell? I’m a little confused… thanks!

@Agemonn – thanks

updated to this point.

Current results:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eWgyYRZILttZDnmbMZgsjnNbieU1Ywlqq7gWrYRv-Sg/edit?usp=sharing

Summary so far:
- 17 responses
- 3 MMR Hell believers
- No one thinks they should be sapphire or below

Highlie.7641:

Yes there is a MMR hell (you ever see 4 people rush home at start)
some type of color (i’m hoping amber)
where ever i choose to stop.

So suppose you played every single day and you had an infinite amount of time, where do you think you’d end up?

Agemnon.4608:

I honestly don’t know but at least Ruby since I made it the previous two seasons too and did beat an exalted legend 1v1 on point once with a thief but they might not have been ideally built for 1v1’ing and I got a backstab in so I don’t know how reliable of a measure that is.

So you think you’d hit Ruby – what’s your current division?

Sooloo.1364:

I doubt you’ll get many, they’re tired of being told they’re wrong by people that have never experienced what they have. This poll is just a kitten for people that ride win streaks.

That’s why there’s a questions of do you believe in MMR hell and where they think they should be? If they truly believe there is MMR hell, then at least tell the people where they think they should be.

Based on your previous posts, I’ll answer for you

MMR Hell: yes
current: sapphire
proposed: diamond

You know what, given that the skill gap between pro league players and the rest are so high, lets assume they are one division above legendary.

i’ll edit the topic to reflect this range

@Saiyan – feel free to alter you response if this might affect your results.

@MMR Hell believers – need to hear more from you guys

from the 2nd line of his post

Hi All!

On a related topic, if you could all respond to this question, might help the community better understand the current status of MM/MMR.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/What-division-do-you-think-you-belong-to/first#post6222925

Please answer the following questions:
- what is your main character name (or well known as)?
- do you believe you are in MMR hell?
- what division are you now?
- what division do you think you belong to?

Current Results – hopefully you’ll see some familiar names and you can rank yourself accordingly.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eWgyYRZILttZDnmbMZgsjnNbieU1Ywlqq7gWrYRv-Sg/edit?usp=sharing

but is it possible for someone with low MMR to always be put on the losing side despite being this late in the season where most high MMR players have already climbed out of sapphire?

Essentially, what this means is their MMR is so low that they are the bottom of the bottom of the pip range and there is no other players lower than them? in that case, there should only be a few of these players because not everyone can be bottom of bottom.

maybe YOU have to, but not EVERYONE has to get an organised group.

a lot of people solo Q’d to legend.

I think it’s a pretty fair match-up.. really just comes down to skill and who kittens up first.

WvW: thief because they can freely stealth, play the waiting game and blow your cd’s.

SPvP: mesmer because they have to attack you head-on.

snaplemouton.1294:

Sooloo.1364:

Yeah the reason you’re advancing is because of your MMR, same as my diamond char. The games are easier and my team mates are better. Simple as that. If this game used true match making, nobody would ever get 10 wins in a row. This system is design to allow good MMR to climb on top of bad, that’s why so many people are upset.

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/226726/eeeh.png

LOLLLLLLLLLLL stronghold…

How many divisions do you need to cross to get your backpack?

And check your PM :|

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

FLIMP.8172:

So what stops a legendary from stomping amber newbies? how would the amber newbie feel being on the receiving end of all these legendary players ruining their games?

if there are too many legendary kittenet back to amber, they will end up fighting one another.

no games will be ruined.

1. There aren’t that many legendaries online at the same time (hence 20-minute queues) so if they do queue, they will most likely be on the same team and will stomp the amber team

2. Amber would be a mix of players with a large range of skill levels which will essentially mean newbies will be getting stomped left and right against legendaries, diamonds, rubies, sapphire, etc.

3. You’re about to replicate the problem Anet fixed by giving us different starting positions at the beginning of the season…

So what stops a legendary from stomping amber newbies? how would the amber newbie feel being on the receiving end of all these legendary players ruining their games?

Another reason could be bad team mates? Something along the lines of:

“OMFG, I played so well and carried the team but I got scrubs on my team so we couldn’t win. If only <insert reason>”.

Not promoting the game but this was a very well written piece on MMR/MM:

http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745504371#post-3

This in particular was quite interesting:

If I were to summarize match results into 5 broad buckets it would be these:

1. My team won. We beat the other team by a long shot.

2. My team barely won.

3. My team barely lost.

4. My team lost. We lost by a long shot. It wasn’t even close

5. It was a broken match somehow. Maybe someone disconnected,
was screwing around or we played with fewer than 12 people.

(of course there are more cases than this – I am overly simplifying here)

Most players will say that they want a match to be either type 2 or type 3 as I described above. Those sound even. Barely win or barely lose. But I believe when psychology comes into play, most players actually expect type 1 or type 2 to be the result. Even an amazingly close type 3 match can turn into a highly negative experience for a lot of players. And if you keep “barely losing” it’s not a very fun night. Winning is fun and good. Losing is less fun than winning.

So waiting a really long time to lose by a long shot is obviously not good. But waiting a really long time to barely lose is also a negative experience. And if we assume that your chances of winning are 50%, that means that even waiting a really long time for a “better” match means that you’re going to wait a really long time to probably lose half the time… If your expectation was that you were going to wait a really long time for an awesome match where you either 1) Won by a long shot or 2) Barely won… but still won nonetheless, your expectations for what the system can or should do are in the wrong place.

Can we get back on topic? I’m interested to know as well. My ele is quite squishy also

@OP – maybe this needs to be asked in the Ele section…

It was over in a flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaashhhhhhhh~
(obviously because I’m OP and not because of MM)

Overwatch was down due to maintenance for 2 hours.

In those 2 hours, I managed to get a total of… wait for it… 3 games!!!

Woo~ now I’ll be able to equip and unequip gathering tools while waiting for my 20-minute queue pops!

Boy will time fly!

I’m loving Junkrat

SPESHAL.9106:

BrotherBelial.3094:

I have a perfect 50/50 win loss ratio. That’s what people are talking about when they say 50/50.

I keep talking about common sense over algorithms in this thread, but maybe it’s simpler to just ask common sense questions…

Should a bad player win 50% of their games?
Should a good player lose 50% of their games?
Should solo players face premades with teamspeak and optimal build/profession synergy?

If you agree with Anet on these questions, than this season makes perfect sense to you.

If you have common sense and logic, you realize it’s sheer folly.

Should a bad player win 50% of their games?
Yes, if their MMR accurately reflects their skill level because they will be playing against players of similar level. If by “bad player” you mean their “real” MMR is lower than what it should be, then they will probably lose games until their MMR hits the right value and then get 50/50 matches.

Should a good player win 50% of their games?
See the above answer but reverse the thought process.

Should solo players face premades with teamspeak and optimal build/profession synergy?
Yes if there are insufficient players. No if there is. We don’t have the figures but Anet do so I’m guessing they’ve done their maths and realised that splitting the queues will probably significantly increase queue times and cause more people to leave compared to business as usual.

Question for you – do you think more/new players will play GW2 if they split? or will it simply make the solo queuers happy while causing grief to players who want to queue as a team?

Personally, I’m not bothered by facing premades and to be honest, I don’t even check at the end of the game to see who’s partied together. It generally doesn’t affect the outcome because there are hardly any super coordinated teams out there. I win just as many against premades as I lose against them.

Obviously, once in a while you’ll get a blowout game and lose to a premade but that happens just as frequent as against a team of solo queuers – nothing new outside the ordinary.

Use my build on page 1 of my forum post as a the base for your build (link in signature). It’s pretty much the sPvP meta build with some slight tweaks.

Based on what you’re after, I’d swap:
- shield for torch
- signet for viel
- perplexity runes for torment runes

Especially this week’s matches – they were pretty boring…

Hey

Not really… PU is great if you use a lot of stealth but I’ve dropped torch/veil and picked up shield and signet of illusion instead.

Shield IMO gives you more survivability and utility.

Echo of Memory/Deja Vu:
- gives you 2 blocks
- gives 2 phantasms
- an additional phantasm from mental defense
- using the chronophantasms trait, that’s 3 more phantasms (total of 6)
- combined with persisting memory that’s s 12s CD reduction on the block
- combined with the alacrity from chrono traitline, it’s pretty much on cool down again for you to do another double block.
- then you get the condi clears and heals from the 6 shatters, not to mention the additional random clones you get from illusionary reversion if you dont have 3 phantasms up.

Obviously this is the ideal setup and it’s not going to always happen but that’s the theory behind it.

Then you got Tides of Time:
- on demand aoe stun
- high chance of interrupt (2x stun) proccing perplexity runes
- on demand quickness for important skills (heal/moa/mass invis)
- blocks projectiles

So weighing it up, I don’t think I’m really sacrificing much. I think I come out on top ;p

I think you guys are missing the point… he’s not a warrior main.

Indirectly, he’s saying if someone who knows how to play warrior tries it, they can probably create a decent counter for mesmer. Not saying it’s true but there is potential.

Ross Biddle has mentioned this a few times also.

I tried in PvP – the cast time is just far too long… it’s a great phantasm but I feel like it’s an eternity by the time it comes out.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

During the last 3 days of S2, I had taken a leave from work and had time again. I grinded as hard as I could in solo ques. I was actually on a win streak and only two games from legend when ranked got closed.

…

Trevor Boyer.6524:

I’m actually having the exact same thing happen to me right now. Made it to t7 diamond then suddenly a magic lose streak begins, full of nightmare matches where team mates are unable to win even a single combat over the course of an entire match, make gross errors in rotations, argue and in general do not listen to anything spoken in /t chat to the point that one could confuse it with players trying to throw the match on purpose.

Pretty kittened off about it actually.

Sorry! I’m really leaving now.

/exits topic again with Bjorn’s credibility

wow~ someone is a little touchy and sour.

-checks post history- oh right… you were one of those people who didn’t make it to legend and blamed MMR!

Never mind me – please continue as you were

/exits topic

Not trying to insult or anything but is it possible that you didn’t rotate well?

If you can kill 9/10 players you come across, why don’t you go into the team fights and help your team win the fights rather than rotate between far/home and hopping on treb (which mind boggles me to be honest).

You mentioned that you didn’t have time to assist them – maybe you need to rotate with them from the start?

The fact that you have a significantly higher score than your team suggests that you won your 1v1/1v2 fights, captured your nodes and held your own but it also suggests that you didn’t support your team enough, hence why they have low individual scores.

I’ll dedicate my next video to you

skcamow.3527:

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Fay.2357:

Furajir.3815:

Fay.2357:

Furajir.3815:

Fay.2357:

It’s just your standard condie build with sc/sh + staff. He’s running insp/ill/chrono, probably a mix of rabid and dire based on the crit rate.

Thanks a lot Flimp!

looks at acc name

That’s a new one.

I asked him, not you, take a seat.

Goodness, such hostility for being literally exactly correct? It’s not like it’s rocket science to figure out a build from a video. It took me about 30 seconds of clicking to random parts in the video to figure out exactly what the build was, and anyone with actual knowledge about the class should be able to do that.

Always.

Making.

Frands.

.. Good stuff, FLIMP!

Hm I could be mistaken but I think I just saw a ghost.

EDIT: Yep, I did.

And Flimpy, great to see new content from you but can’t deny the cringe feels from your competition … then again it’s always a bit of fun seeing noobs getting stomped, well done.

And that is absolutely why WvW is fun and you can get some “good” footage! Any one who plays the game enough knows it’s not possible to 1 v X against good players unless they’re running zerg/bad builds.

I do have a few 1v1’s with some decent players but I think they’re boring to watch unless people want to learn?

Fun = 1 v X
Tutorial = 1 v 1?

Edit: oh and thanks

Spartacus.3192:

Zelulose.8695:

Then out rotate the mesmers. (hopefully having one of your own and maybe a revenant)

Id like to see the people who can out rotate Portal mesmers.

uh… thief?

Haha! Fay is pretty much spot on

Build:
http://tinyurl.com/flimpchrono

Front page also edited.

Same. I see it but for some reason I always dodge too late…

I’ll blame my aussie ping :p

Return of the FLIMP!

Volume 11 (WvW):
https://youtu.be/UDHy7r0btJA

Well based on the conversation between myself and AG (Tichorum), he said AG could host the event – not sure if that will include casting… I’ll confirm with final details in the following week once AG gets back to me

Also, rules says:

Criteria For Who Cannot Participate:
- Players who are currently participating in the Pro League for season 2 are not allowed to participate on full premade teams (more than 2 weeks played in the current season cannot play)

So I’m guessing you can play as long as you’re not in a premade…?

updated interest/register list

Chase.2798:

FLIMP.8172:

Spoke to AG and it might be in June… he’ll get back to me within a week

Would probably be better, gives more time to find teams for a late night tourney and allows those in college and hs to compete without it interfering in their studies

Very good idea! Forgot about exams and what not – maybe we’ll aim for end of June

Spoke to AG and it might be in June… he’ll get back to me within a week

So that would make it more ideal would it not? Or do a lot of people travel during that time?

No date set at this stage. The time is a bit late for the AG guys to wake up so I’d like to gather some interest first before I get them to commit to a date.

I’ll speak with them to see if we can get a tentative date for 28th of May (?).

Hi guys,

Given the absence of any tournaments in our timezone, I’ve been speaking with Tichorum from Academy Gaming and they have agreed that if we can get 8 teams, they will be willing to host a tournament for us! hurray~

Proposed starting time:
Saturday 9pm UTC+10 (Melbourne, Sydney)
Saturday 8pm UTC+9 (Seoul, Tokyo)
Saturday 7pm UTC+8 (Singapore, Kuala Lumpur)
Saturday 4am UTC-7/PDT (Los Angelas, Vancouver)

Specific date has not been confirmed (maybe late June – this is flexible at this stage).

Server will be on NA.

If you are interested, please post in this thread or PM me.

You don’t have to have a full team – we’ll allocate you to a team once numbers are confirmed. This means you can get involved as a solo/duo if you wish.

Teams Registered: 1
- FLIMP’s team!

Solo Registers: 2
- Chase
- Ross Biddle

LOL! great video.

very nice editing and very entertaining. the double portal stomp was the highlight for me haha

Archon.6480:

Um, I find this ironic, several of us where saying the matchmaking was broken in S2 and he comes out with some stupid self indulgent rant about you suck if you are on a 30 game losing streak and you need to carry. Then makes some nonsensical statement about “if the game score is 400-500 you are the problem because you didn’t carry.” All the while he was being placed on stacked teams where he could have done almost nothing and won.

Now he says boohoo, the matches were boring and no one is watching anymore. Maybe he could have put aside the BS early on and acknowledged the problem with the rest of us?

I sort of see the irony but I think he also touches on the fact that the difference between a pro player and a “good” player in legend is like day and night, especially this late in the season which results in blow-out matches.

I’m not sure if this is comparable but I think it might be the same feeling some of us are experiencing when we are playing unranked. E.g. you’ll come across some guy in a 1 v 1 and you’ll 100-0 them without even trying.

Would this be the same feeling the pro players are getting when they play? I’m in legend atm and I wouldn’t call myself a “bad” player but when I’m matched against a pro in 1 v 1 in ranked, it’s quite clear that I have no chance of beating them.

P.s. where’s my super staff skin! I’ll take hammer instead now though cos I managed to grind 350 bauble baubles <3

Thanks Fay – I knew you’d answer me

Was even tempted to put an @Fay in the title…

Thanks again!