Guild Wars 2

Instead of trying to create something strange and unique just play a standard p/p build like the one below which is more viable even in zergs .
You can chane sigil of fire for sigil of force . Don’t make complicated something that is simple.Specially for the new thieves.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQRAqa4alsMp0pdPx8J8PNxOhsdgFD480FPn+E-TFCBAB7pfQiHAAOq/AwJBILlfMqEEp9HY4IAQGA9xA-w

just from my experience

As someone mentioned before Runes of rage should get tested .Seems interesting for example something like this ?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsYVl0Mp0pFOx3J0PNBPBt9AmdA8LK9Gk2C-T1SBwAF3f4xDAwsSwIHBgrKrwqUB0hAAl+gFHggcq/A4EAQGA9xA-w

or this for perma vigor ,fury,swiftness
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsYVl0Mp0pFOx3J0PNRPBtVA8+JNZKd/j1ODA-T1SBwAF3f4xDAwsSwIHBgrKrwqUB0hAAl+gFHggcq/A4EAQGA9xA-w

i’ll try this spec just for fun in WvW .Probably i won’t kill a kitten but the survivability is over the top and it looks fun to play .Nice and strange trolling build mate .

For WvW turns like this

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQRAqa6Yl8MpopdPx0J0PNBNBxdNyxM0KAdHl+2EA-TFyCABnofwinAAAHgAuU+xj6PacSAYZ/BCVCSKgFVWB-w

Mystogan.4157:

i landed with hoelbrak-sigil of battle and sigil of force i get around 20 stacks of might in a fight and hit around 4-5k crit

I’ll try valk armor with hoelbrack with battle+strength sigils ,or force as well, and traited signets ,mix zeg-valk the rest, seems nice.

The truth is that for a DPS thief Power runes is the only way to go and thank god there are some nice power runes.

Yes mate but what i’m trying to say is that you won’t loose dps even with 0 in CS . No problem carry on your testing.

@ Mystogan .Consider that you gain 10% dmg from Fluid strikes 1-15% from Lead attacks that’s much more consistent dps output than Executioner. And a tip mate : don’t forget to have signet of agility as one of your utility and energy sigils on both weapon sets

I cooked 60 pieces of Orrian truffle and meat stew for my d/d 0-6-6-2-0 build and sold 50 at the next day .This food doesn’t worth . i prefer plates of Trufle stake (=100 power +70 precition ) or even Chocolate Omnoberry cream which helps me stack might better and longer specialy when trait a signet.

I agree with the above posts S/D 10-0-0-30-30 Pack runes is realy fun to play AND very effective .Zerg weapons , Valk armor, Zerg/Valk trinkets .Lots of evades and damage

I love the mobile non stealth thief .

What pistol/dagger offers to zerg fights ?
Ok i’ll answer that because i made the statement .
i changed my build above a little so it’s this

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZUQRAqY4alsMp0plPx5J0PNBSBxdDCw79+F3Y+dFCA-TRSAABKcEAi+BAkj+BAOBAkcQAQS9nJVCOmyve2fgUALqsC-e

well it may not be an optimal build but it does fine.

DPS burst is not better than a power D/D or D/P or any other power spec for sure BUT a dead thief, which is easy to happen in zerg fights by a single position mistake, is NO damage at all. With this spec i can stay IN the zergs and survive (better and longer than a power spec at least).
The best thing is the constant AoE Bleed and LONG cripple duration through caltrops and daggerstorm and clatrops on dodge (two energy sigil might fit better for this) . It is situational i know, but it is EXTREMELY irritating for the opponent zerg .You are gonna get focused for this reason remember that.
Specialy at choke points is even better .You will notice that combined with your allies damage.even in outnumbered situations they can not pass through cause it ticks continiously for 15 seconds .and that’s for Clatrops utility only . The bleed does a lot of damage and remeber that it’s the last condition that is being removed and if it gets removed it will more likely be reapplied so the opponents will have wasted some usefull condi clear utilities .
At open field battles you are the Poison Assasin so change daggerstorm to BV . the combo is simple precast BV + steal -dodge – sneak attack – shadowstrike .Great presure to the target with all these condis ticking on him .If he doesn’t have condi clear he will heal or drop dead.

Variations

For weapons i suggest shortbow with energy + sigil of poison (for 5 sec poison) .
(D/P is my escape – o kitten tool)
D/D for more offensive play .
BV- instead of daggerstorm for more quickly condi burst (but single target).
Blinding powder to Shadowrefuge for offensive or defensive use
Sigils of Battle or Energy as an alternative to the weapons.
Resilience of Shadows for Shadow rejuvenation for heal( i prefer the first because i don’t stay in stealth much and makes me tanky) .
Fleet shadow for whatever you like or for 10 points in deadly arts, but speed on stealth is great imho.

Choise is yours.

TL:DR
condi thief doesn’t kill fast but it really makes the situation VERY messy wherever he/she fights and can be IN the zerg fights.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZUQNAqYVlsMp0pdPx5J8PNBNRxdNkCXo3XxXshaFAA-TRSAABKcEAi+BAkj+AAOBAdcIAQS9nJVCOmyve2fgUALqsC-e

that’s what i play now
For zerg fight change BV to dagger storm
For solo roaming change resiliense of Shadows to shadow rejuvenation .
Change Clatrops for any other utilitie you want

CHEESE spec for sure .

This is a beast condi thief i’ve been playing the past few days .Tested in large zerg fights it’s really amazing how tough the thief is with this simple build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZUQNAqYVlsMp0pdPx5J0PNBNRxdNkCXo3XxXshaFAA-ThSAABaoEUhjAQ0PAADOEA5oPACTQAcCAQS9nxU+1z+DkCYRlVA-e

Your bleed do a lot of unoticed damage .
CONSTANT Bleeds all the way ClusterBomb+Caltrops+ Daggerstorm + Sneak attack and a lot of stealth = a lot of toughness + condi clear.
You can change some thing but this is the main idea.
I love krait runes.

Nice video mate and skillful gameplay of you as usual .

@ Oscuro .9720 .Well mate for berserker rangers change shortbow to Dagger main hand if you notice him early enough to be able to switch your weapon.Have your inventory open at the botton right corner and switch.
When you change your weapons pick Valkyrie .I can assure you vitality is much more important for thieves than toughness .

I always like watching thieves killing people with any spec .
The irony is that after all these nerfs we are a very effective class in a lot of aspects of this game .
Nice video keep up.

@Oscuro .Mate i wholehartly agree with you this spec ROCKS and is devastating, more people sould try it.
It makes me fell like real killer – assasin .This is the main role of a true thief .
Some of my statements was a referance to the whole thief community.
Another suggestion is Valkyrie armor with Lyssa runes or Berserker armor with Speed runes (don’t forget them).

@Argathium stick that build it REALLY WORTHS and give the credits to Oscuro.9720.
Though it’s not something new he deserves it.
They are gonna hate us A LOT MORE.

Coloxeus these were great fights with S/D (difficult to play this weapon set after the nerf) and you did great .Evades…..? hell yea somehow the berserker thief must survive.
Do not pay attention to the others ‘super pro I’am the greatest OP super dupper thief of all’ .
I dislike them for their behaviour .

Really nice watching you mate keep it up

i really LOVED this build when i came upon and can be played every where .Even in Zergs is very much viable.
You may want to try later this :
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/thief/?7.1|a.5p.h1.8.5p.h17.0.0.0|5.1p.h17.0.0.0|1g.710.1g.710.1g.710.1g.710.1g.710.1g.710.0.0.0.0.0.0|2s.0.2t.0.2s.0.3t.0.2s.0.2s.0|p3a.u56b.a4.5.0|2m.7|57.5c.5b.5a.5v|e

very nice and effective build position and ranged burst damage away of the AoE is the key .Position is very easilly done with this spec.
The shortbow auto attack and cluster bomb makes everyone run away from you thanks to the high damage out put .1800 – 2300 k auto with stacks and food and buffs in WvW .
if you fill squisy get 1-2 cavalier ascended trinkets or knights armor with Wurm runes .
You will not believe what you can do.
+1

I think it’s a good idea. We can buy exotic armor and weapons, why not runes and sigils ?
The cost of some runes and sigils is ridiculous.
By this way they will become cheaper and accessible to poor players .Why sould only the rich ones sould have access to them ?
What do you say ?

Maybe my WvW s/d-sb spec will get better i’ll give it a try

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vYUQNAsYVl0Mp0pdPxyJ8PNhs9YnqQAgrgT194qkPtC-zAzAY/AitgIHQEEMCDARAM5XEN2yZR0Y11YKXhatLkKGhQAmHDA-e

I play this DPS build for WvW with great damage output(with perception stacks and gurd buffs is super). The survivability is also great .

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vIMQJARSjMdUGajHehwJaAB9QDritwU4HUPsjNsNA-zQyAY/ARRwILQEIgkXR0YLjFRjVbjpcBUxLqmMAMLA-e

If you want to use the dolyak signet change the amulet to Cavalier.

My main is a thief as you notice and playing it is very easy.
Warrior = easy mode

@ Liza it’s WvW not tpvp .You can’t have this spec in tpvp

I don’t think he will ever post his build (why should he) but looks pretty close to this one (though my first attempt to predict it was a failure ,might this be as well ) Any way look at it that’s what i managed to discover

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vYQQRAqY8alsMp7plOx8J8PRRw9wpJtpeKI7Y1F0f4qA-zADBoLRGnBArBkiIykFAEBgpQFRjt2uIas6aYKXC1aXQqYIkCQQhVA-e

He may changes the food and stones-oil and I ‘m not sure about the sigil of S/P .
Also he has Master of Deception for thiefs and changes it to Cloaked in Shadows for the Necro and Mesmer.
He is an exelent thief player (how couldn’t he after 3.3k hours of Spvp and WvW ?)
Nice video man ,really nice and educational .
I also have to accentuate your humble and decent behaviour in this forums .
Thank you for being here.
Carry on.
PS : I edit it to be more accurate

The guy made an effort and he did good .Ok his gameplay wasn’t optimal but he did it ok. The players against him wasn’t the best bout ok he beat them .He uses D/P so what? Is it a reason to flame him? I hate the critisism against other fellow thief in the thief tread .Instead to encourage him and give him more advise you flame him .All of you who are so good and specialist you post videos when you play great and win .What about the times when you don’t and you loose? Aren’t there any ?I don’t think so .
Stop this attitude I don’t see any reason why you sould act like that expect of your high egoism.
What do you have to separate? The fame ? OOO the fame ………

“While the footage isn’t great I do give the OP credit for a solid play-style and not relying on food, stacks, Guard Leech or other buffs to come out on top.”

^^This . +1

I really enjoy your footage mate .I’ve seen all of your footages.Some players are bad some are not. Nevertheless your playing style is really good.
I have a strong feeling that your are wearing Celestial armor. That’s a slap in the face for those who say that celestial is crap, but it is a very nice armor for doing damage AND surviving at a 0-0-30-20-20 s/p-d/p build.Correct me if i’m wrong .
I have been playing it myself for time to time just for the change .I mostly play d/d-sb 10-30-30 and now i play s/d-sb 0-30-10-30-0.
Pm me if you like for further discussion.

Really nice bravo mate.

Look at the Superior Runes of the Pack (adds Power ,+100 Precision is always welcome and the forth gives 5% for Fury might and swiftness when get hit,in WvW happens very often).
I also like as an alternative S.runes of the Air or S. runes of rage.
All the runes at the previous posts above are great .My personal preference for valkirie armor 10-30-30-0-0 are runes of speed and for my ascended Valkirie armor either for 10-30-30-0-0 or 0-30-30-10-0 are runes of the traveler.

Yes he /she can rez a dead mesmer. A hidden mesmer can be stealthed (with Shadow Refuge for example) to go unoticed and teleport inside the rest of the party.

@ Travlane
Well my fellow thief I could think only one other possibility. Check all the autotargetings and target assists on .Take Sb-S/P and potition your self first at the incoming way of the mobs .Though I play in a T1 EU server I never had so much problem with looting .
On the other hand you may were unlucky to have so much power eles and necros during these events but it’s difficult for such a thing to happen often (at least at my server) .

Is it so hard for ANET the one who looses the match -up to go down 1 Tier ,the winner to go up 1 tier and the second place server stays the same tier ? Why things have to be complicated ?

@ Travlane
I take for granted that you play a Power spec and no way a condi spec right?

@ killahmayne
Cheesy is the spec you have shown on the video .It will be the new meta for the warriors ,though a few people know that.
THE Overpowered spec ,is a warrior with dual swords – Long bow Dire armor ,rabid/dire ascended trinkets trated swords 0-30-20-0-20.The person you block with the sword dies, simple as that. Add burning ,bleeds etc you must face 3 or more to be challenging.The damage is INSANE.

Fellow thiefs do your best ,though i know it’s tough.
D/D 10-30-30 is my preference.

Venoms need to be some stun breakers and some other condition removals. Specialy for the new healing skill MUST be unblocable .These things may change a venom share build to be viable. The 5 venom build without these changes is very difficult to survive that’s why thieves don’t prefer it over other specs.

I play D/D with Sb or S/P 20-30-20-0-0 or 10-30-30 -0-0 Valkirie armor with Runes of Speed , Valkyrie weapons and mix of Berserker and Zerker/Valkyrie trinkets. The extra vitality gives me the option to invest no point in acrobatics and it suits me fine .I believe Runes of the Traveler are overestimated ,but that’s my opinion. I mostly play WvW .

Check messiah’s Panicond P/D build here is very similar to your’s (venom share build don’t have any other good build anyway) with a lot of comments and videos.He has done a wonderful job.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-Panicond-build-P-D/first#post3263631

Come on guys. Mesmers are ok we just ENVY the protection and aegis they have during stealth.

Travlane.5948:

62.5k backstab here on a lvl 80 warrior. (perfect conditions)

none of these builds are max dmg 0_o not even close.

Travlane your are a crazy and very experienced thief .I believe this number is possible with carrion gear 25/x/x/25/x sigil of inteligence p/d ,d/d stack power ,food power !? .You make me wonder ……

I like it .Devs sould keep or improve this mechanic it will become a must for a thief and will add great survivability.

Give me F1-F2-F3-F4 different skills with anything you want Anet and give me more boons like protection on stealth like it used to be,why not stability also . The lighter the class’s armor the more the boons it has access to.
Give me more weapon sets like Rifle, off-hand sword or anything else.
Make a five man group of thieves or any medium or light armor classes equal five man group of guardians or warriors as far as boons granted is concerned . We still have the handicap of armor and hit points.

Thieves can play the damage dealer role or the condition applier as well it depends on what the party needs. I realy don’t think that we should discuss which role is better or worse for the party because :
First, it depends on the players skill.
Second, the party seldom recognize the contribution of our class.
Third ,some will always assert that there are other classes that can do the same thing better than as.
The point here is that we CAN support a party and thief is a powerful class in the right hands.
I am very pleased for the messiah’s effort to bring this up to our forum but please stay humble all of you. No rivalries between us and of course no QQ.

You want the most DPS ? Take it. With 25 stacks from the Bloodlust Sigil and Ascended Weapons and Trinkets is over 10000 effective damage. lol
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/thief/?7.0|8.1g.a7.8.1g.a7.0.0.0|5.1g.h4.0.0.0|1g.a7.1g.a7.1g.a7.1g.a7.1g.a7.1g.a7|1g.67.1g.67.1g.67.1g.67.1g.67.1g.67|u69a.u39b.0.0.a4|39.1|57.5e.5g.5b.5u|e

It’s nice to see thieves have found their guts to make the life of other classes difficult I agree with all the above builds.
Wurm runes are great and instead of Traveler which are very expensive try Superior Runes of Speed which are great too.
Power of a thief must be close to 2200 to cause significant pressure to other classes in order to press their panic buttons quickly.
I prefer Daggerstorm over BV for the reflection- AoE damage and cripple and Hidden Killer(every crit counts) mostly but it depends on the situations.
Well done fellow thieves ,well done.!!!

This is one of the few constructive threds I’ve seen for quite some time now in the thieves fora .Well done keep going .

Very good messiah.Useful and dangerous build to play.
Yes post a video it seems people need to see something to believe at.
I know this build is very good your skill is needed to make him survive.
Thieves are not only for roaming they can do just fine in large groups.
I’ll post a video to support that as soon as I ’ll learn how to edit it.(Not gonna take long)

Well you can do a lot in a zerg fight. Use your AoE attacks.
Shortbow for sure and the most important,among other things, keep your Daggerstorm when you see some downed players and enter with Shadowstep (utilitie) to finish them.This can definetly turn the battle outcome.
As I said in an other thred Thieves with the guard buff are very likely to keep playing thief.
Others that are leveling one now is very difficult to keep playing one .
Always speaking about WvW incase you haven’t figured it.

Burst them down .Make them suffer
D/D – Sb FTW

PS: I already have a 80 lvl full ascended c/c warrior lvl 90 wvw rank .It’s very boring to play with…..

Thank god there some people who show in these forum the great contribution of a D/D thief in small groups. The buffs from WvW realy made our life easier having great damage and vitality as a thief class.The thief that have these, are old thieves and these are the ones who are gonna keep playing this class. In zergs we do nice work with all these bunker – cc – condi builds out there ,someone must bring great damage to the team and thief is a good class for the job let’s not forget about that.

Great video man .Keep posting them

It’s sad that only two weapon set will remain good (D/D power builds ,P/D Condi builds). Good thiefs will do just fine in WvW .

Guys burst them down to death they’re gonna cry anyway. Make them suffer.

@ DeeJay
Yea you have a point take a look at this build .Feel free to coment . I am not an elitist person.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYUQNAqYVlYmiOHfS5E+5EB3Dna0m6pgsitTBWtKA-jQzA4fBR6PEFBjsASEAS+FRjt4WENWVdq1LYKXAtLkKGxdgJEgoxA-e

Just remove 5 pts from Acrobatics and put them to Shadow Arts for Shadow’s Embrace

I play something like these build but more damage oriented, same trait lines .I think it’s very nice and very amusing and belive me toy CAN kill faster than a pure condition build .You pressure more with the conditions and the direct damage and crit .
You are not a 3 sec Killer but you can easily manage 2-4 people and if you become more experienced to the build you can kill all of them .
I think the hybrid builds is the current meta for the thief and that’s what ANET wanted for the play style of the thief, a P/D hybrid build.Go for it .It worths.

Mesmer are painted like that not thieves or assasins