Guild Wars 2

Lol I really didn’t think they’d do anything for WvW but I’m honestly impressed. Plus we’re getting guild halls. Good job, ANET.

Not to be a Debbie downer but didn’t the same thing happen when FA came up to T2 after S2? There was that one close week and then everything went back to SoS running away with the score? Hopefully, things will be different this time though. YB looks like a stable server for T2 since they seem to have a healthy appreciation for ppt and fights.

Zaxares.5419:

I’m honestly surprised TC and JQ didn’t team up to take on BG again during Weeks 1 and 4.

BG nearly closed down the WvW forums with QQ, the last time it happened. I don’t think anyone wants to deal with that level of crying again.

DoomKnightMax.6592:

My question is, which one should I transfer to?

Unless you’re an expert in 1v2 1v3, 1v4, you might want to transfer to T2 or stay on your server, if you’re looking to solo roam. I can’t speak for TC since I’m on the server but when I’m facing BG/JQ, I rarely get a good 1v1. A lot of people in T1 don’t solo roam but roam in parties of 3-4. If you don’t mind that, JQ would probably be a better choice than BG. Good luck on your choice though.

Jeknar.6184:

Funny… My server population grew during this season…

Can’t speak for everyone of course but from my server/tier experience, I notice that commanders/guilds put in a lot of OT during seasons and get burned out. After seasons, they either leave the game or go extremely casual. Happened in S1, S2 and now S3. And I hear a lot of the same thing from other players in different tiers.

Everyone but a few delusional servers knows that seasons is bad for the WvW population. I’ve noticed that the WvW population drops every time we have one, not to mention the bandwagoning that goes on right before each season, which destroys servers in the process.

Junkpile.7439:

Low quality trolling since launch.

At least you acknowledge it yourself

Just saw the points for this match, this is how all matches should be in a perfect world. Hope you guys are enjoying it while you can.

Arcadio.6875:

66.6% chance of having SoS/FA/YB.

Ominous match-up. Looks like SoS is going to get rekt.

William C.6195:

Fighting SoS was really fun as well; they’re some seriously good fighters.

What tz were you playing in? Everytime we face SoS, they are either in a blob or they have no players on a map at all. Like none.

William C.6195:

From my perspective, we don’t have anywhere close to the numbers of TC and JQ; so often we were outnumbered 3:1, even more at times.

Bruh…

I would totally support this if this was implemented. Too bad we know it won’t happen.

Congrats to Mag, you can finally leave T2

Jwoww.4315:

As a BG player, I really do not think it has to do with numbers when playing against TC and JQ,

Don’t worry it’s not just you, BG as a whole, doesn’t believe in coverage imbalance. I was talking to one of your servermates the other day and apparently BG were supposed to be the “dark horse” in this tournament. Pretty disturbing and sad to hear to be honest.

Checking OP’s post history, it appears he’s from Gandara so he’s talking about EU.

lorndarken.3702:

the object of the game is to win ! come in first place . not rig the tournament !

I completely agree. There is nothing wrong with overstacking a server to the point where other servers can’t compete. It’s just playing for first. Why 2v1 when you can just recruit more and cannibalize lower tier servers for players.

o/

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

What would your map look like if you had the skill to pay the bills?

I’d just use some of the PvE maps.

SinisterSeven.2781:

TC just seems to be made up of people who joined because they wanted to win, not because they were good.

ROFL, maybe if this was still 2013 when TC was atop T2. You realize TC is currently the smallest T1 server right? Honestly, FA shouldn’t complain. You guys knew what you were signing up for when you choose not tank out of gold this time. Enjoy the 20 man havoc teams :)

Tommyknocker.6089:

I’m from TC and although I cannot speak for the server I will tell you that the only difference between a t2 and a t1 server is the defense..

You sound like you’re someone from BG. There is a big big coverage gap between T1 and T2. And yes I’m on TC too. FA can play defense all they want to but they simply don’t have the numbers to really make an impact. You must have forgotten TC’s T2 days when they got paired with T1?

yanniell.1236:

You wouldn’d be facing a different server, you would be spawn camping them. Any T2 server would be steamrolled in T1.

I for one would sure have a problem with BG going to T2. I don’t want to roflstomp the two others servers (because of coverage disparity) and have nothing to do the rest of the week.

IDK, even when my server was in T2 and we would get rolled by T1, I still wanted T1 matches for the sake of variety and the chance to face different guilds. Even if the scores are close every week, I would be bored out of mind if I had to face the same people every single week for months on end. Eventually it just becomes “what’s the point of trying hard this week, we’ll just see them again at reset.”

Reverence.6915:

The 2v1 changed T1 dynamics and directly resulted in what’s going on now and is relevant to this discussion from the point of view of TC. A lot of players on TC left specifically due to the 2v1, many of whom landed on BG, resulting in the current climate in T1 of TC and BG dodging (or farming if the numbers are there) JQ map blobs and fighting each other, resulting in a continuing(soft) 2v1 on BG and the perception that TC is still stronger than BG

I’m sure some left because of the 2v1. But even more left or stopped playing because T1 matches are stale and boring at this point. Like I’ve said previously, we also went through a major drop in activity right after season 1 because people found T2 boring and repetitive.

Reverence.6915:

A 1 up 1 down system would see BG rotate out more often than TC, just by last month’s results and as such, would affect(positively or negatively) us more than you. It would also make population adjustments rather painful.

I’m not really that upset about the 2v1, made over 300g during the last 2 T1 matchups in s2 and made BG stronger as a community because of it, which is part of the reason we’re still getting tons of transfers(individuals as well as guilds) even though we have mostly come 3rd in the matchup.

I wouldn’t have a problem with BG rotating more than TC. I would just like to face different servers every once in awhile.

I said you were salty about the 2v1 because every time TC is mentioned, either on this forum or the other (maybe both), you bring up the 2v1. And I figured you guys were coming in 3rd because you simply weren’t trying? TC has never had a larger population than BG.

Reverence.6915:

TC is readjusting to post-season stress, you guys are fine. If anything, you need to stay in Tier 1 to not implode. Historically, as soon as a T1 server falls into T2, it implodes. I’m not talking about rotating in and out of T2, but actually falling.

By the way, I attribute the cause of TC’s problems is the 2v1 on BG during S2. The split in opinion in the TC community over the 2v1 basically crippled it post-season. It will take time to heal the wounds and bring up new leadership within the server.

I know you’re still salty over the 2v1 but I don’t think that’s the problem. Facing the same servers over and over again is making us lose population. We had a drop in numbers after season 1 too because people were bored of facing SoS and FA over and over again. Your server might be used to it because you’ve been stuck with JQ forever but most of us on TC are used to a mixture of T1 and T2 matches. Although I agree, falling down into T2 permanently would be bad for TC. Would rather a one up, one down system.

JLoco.6218:

Kigera.9584:

Lol, don’t try to act like T2 has always “been exclusively about the fights”.

Talk about being delusional. Yes, this has always been the case. Al serious GvG guilds have always avoided T1.

JLoco.6218:

Yeah, it is. 20 people from t2 can easily take on 50 from any t1 server.

My apologies for taking your posts seriously. I didn’t know you were just trolling

JLoco.6218:

They only care enough about PPT to stay in the tier where there are fights, which is and always has been T2.

When did you bandwagon to T2? The “T2 GvG heaven” ramblings didn’t start until after TC went to T1. Before that, both SoS and FA played ppt and Mag was aT3 server. Lol, don’t try to act like T2 has always “been exclusively about the fights”.

JLoco.6218:

And then you also have T1 guilds, which is really just a group of puppies under the same tag who then start to talk as if they can actually fight lol, as if they wouldn’t get one pushed by any t2 guild.

Only someone from Mag would post something this delusional. Have faced every server from tier 1 to tier 4, no server overall stands out as special IMO. Of course there are a few good guilds on every server but you would have to be out of your mind if you think every T2 guild is good. Plz stop overhyping.

My heart goes out to Mag. It must be killing them that they can’t complain about other servers Pvding, blobbing and being PPT heroes this week. Stay strong, guys o/

Indie.4129:

How about an acknowledging that there are equally skilled opponents and finally deflating the eu ego that has been here since launch. Show some respect and stop underestimating your rivals. NA has several top guilds and #1 changes weekly.

Lol, good luck trying to bring the EU ego back down to earth. They could have lost both GvGs in EU and the fanboys would have still come up with an excuse for why they lost rather than give a NA guild props.

thaooo.5320:

Ps. FA will be in T2 again in 2-4 weeks.

What happens if they give us a timetable for season 3 in 2-4 weeks?

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

Nope it hasnt.

JQ and SoR certainly qq’d about ZDs and the other nefarious stuff BG has done(or accused of doing) but I remember that their QQ never irritated me to the point where I wanted to tell them “here’s a pacifier now stop crying”. BG held the forums hostage for what two months? We couldn’t even have a normal WvW thread without it being hijacked by BG QQers. Especially that one weekend where your servermates created 15-20 threads in quick succession after ANET kept locking it down. I’ve never seen JQ or SoR put that much dedication into crying.

BG has a bad problem with wanting to be the center of attention all the time. Even when no one is talking about them, they have to create scenarios for people to talk about them. If you want to create a thread to give yourselves a pat on the back, why would this be on the official forums instead of your own forums?

And Mal, please post videos of the TS conversations. The ZDs drama has far been surpassed by the QQ BG has dished out this season. It’s not even comparable.

http://www.gw2wvw.net/forum

You might get more responses from there.

Aarean.5398:

Yeah the trend of the last few weeks and 24 hours is looking like a tc blowout win by 20-30k+ This match isnt anywhere near as interesting as the earlier weeks before this truce was made.

As a TC player, I would love for us to win by that big of a margin. Unfortunately, the weekend is not a good metric for determining a match-up. Weekdays is when the real coverage wars start.

EZDawg.1530:

Season 2 has been a disappointment. Season 1 was frustrating because of the long queue times caused by the achievements, but Season 2 was discouraging because of the Gold-Level 2v1 strategy embraced by JQ and TC. I understand TC doing this because they are ex-SOR and SOR never had any sense of WvW ethics. JQ however, had my respect as a server. Their guilds fought well and we competent. Now, JQ has diminished their own reputation.

I sincerely hope that Anet disbands the concept of Seasons for WvW or comes up with a round-robin, or mixed-server, or some non-exploitable concept if they decide to pursue Season 3.
Results so far:
Season 1: ridiculous queues, pitiful rewards
Season 2: too easily exploited

The fact that you think the worst thing about Season 1 was “ridiculous queues” leaves little room for guessing what your server you’re from. It would also explain why you think the 2v1 was the only disappointing thing about season 2. It’s like we’ve been talking to brick walls all season, rofl.

Synyster.5894:

I think it would be pretty cool if ANET could add titles for the amount of months you’ve been with a server. I’ve been with Blackgate since the beginning of gw2, and i think it would be nice to show off your dedication to the community you’ve been on for so long. Anyone else thinks this would be pretty cool?

I don’t think titles would be needed to show how long you’ve been with a server though. If you actively contribute to your community’s efforts, people will automatically know your name and remember it. Just because you’ve been on a server for x amount of time does not mean you have contributed more then people who have transferred after you. And I’m saying this as a person who has been on the same server (with the exception of one week ) since I first picked up the game.

Greek.4396:

If you guys didn’t know by now, JQ + TC is the new Toxic Alliance! The living story makes a return to WvW, Scarlet is BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

+1

Lol, I’m on TC and I have to admit this is pretty funny.

Zero Requiem.5908:

and here I thought wvw matchup discussions were NOT ALLOWED anymore…but apparently as long as everyone is just bashing blackgate and congratulating jq for being noobs, its allowed

BG is getting bashed because they are annoying the forums with their QQ. If BG posters stop making QQ threads, no one will bash them. I’ve seen less than 4 threads from TC/JQ with the sole purpose of making fun of BG. On the other hand I have seen at least 20+ threads this season from BG with the sole purpose of name calling other servers and crying. No one is going to feel sorry for BG because they are bringing this hate on themselves.

Zero Requiem.5908:

too bad this entire tournament is a FARCE and completely pointless in determining everything.

JQ and TC are going to be cheering and congratulating themselves for “victory” at the end of all of this, and yet

the winner of this tournament will not be the server who played the best, but instead a server who resorted to underhanded tactics and basically what amounts to CHEATING in order to win

and don’t tell me BG has that much superior coverage (the first wee was an EXTREMLY close match until JQ GAVE UP and quit the map like the noobs they are

ROFL, and you think BG played the best in Season 1? You won Season 1 because you had the best coverage not because you guys played the best. So do you think its fair that BG should be crowned season 1 champs just because they had the best coverage? You might not think 2v1 is fair but I don’t think stacking your server to the point where others servers can’t compete is fair either.

shocking.3269:

Hey, BG ain’t suffering. We may not be winning Season 2 but we aren’t sufffering. We astill fighting & we are still doing what we love and are good at.

People think BG is suffering because they are holding the WvW forums hostage with their nonstop and excessive qq.

So a dev says this

From the earliest days of development, we knew that we wanted to include some form of large-scale PvP combat in Guild Wars 2, but how would it work? We knew right away that we wanted three teams fighting against one another on a series of huge maps in the Mists (our world vs. world battleground) and that each team would be composed of an entire server full of players. Including three forces in world vs. world acts as an excellent balancing factor, preventing one team from growing too powerful and ruining the competitive balance of the game. Two teams can gang up to counter a more dominant third team, a dynamic that simply isn’t possible with only two opposing factions.

And another dev says this

At no point did I, or would I have, said “Fair competition” WvW is not intended to be “fair”. There are servers with more people, there are servers with better organizations and that will always be the case. This competition will be about showing how your world can do over a defined period of time, against a variety of opponents. SPvP is the part of our game that aims for a completely level playing field. WvW would never be able to match that goal.

Two more devs says this

16min 30sec mark

I agree discussing 2v1 is not bad though. It’s just pointless at this point. Everything that has needed to be said about the issue has already been said over and over again. Your post brings absolutely nothing new to the debate as there was already a thread asking if the 2v1 was a breach of contract.

Deli.1302:

Why are people listing NA guilds…………………………….

Probably because they’re from NA and they only face NA guilds?

Rebound.3409:

@Kigera: Well..the current condition of wvw season doesn’t help that cause also, does it?

Personally i think, if there was the same system which was in S1, with the current T1 balance..matches would have been much more fun and closer. ATLEAST much better then what it’s now….S1 wasn’t perfect…but from my opinion it was better then S2…and if that’s the case…that means ANet instead of improving they are regressing. That’s bad.

Both formats are bad. There really shouldn’t be any tournaments until we can have one where everyone in a particular league has a “legit” chance at first place. Don’t you think leagues would be more fun if Gold League servers like Mag or DB had just as much of chance at taking 1st as a T1 server? Things like that can’t happen unless coverage issues are addressed.

Edit- And S1 was nothing but blowouts. The only good matches where the ones involving 2v1s.

Rebound.3409:

Actually i was..on DB, SOS then BG….moved back when transfers were free. Most of my moves were because most of the ppl were doing pve more then wvw….or in SOS’s case, at the time, the community was not that great. Don’t know how it’s now. So yes i know how much coverage does to a server…but honestly at T1 the coverage is pretty well balanced…a server is know for good SEA while the other is known for good NA and so on.

Personally i see atleast T1 being very balanced when it comes to population and the best example i could give u is to look at the last match JQ/BG/TC had just before the seasons started. There was like a 10k difference between them or even lower. U honestly can’t get closer then that even if u have the exact same number of ppl constantly on.

At lower leagues i am sure it’s not that different…but the major difference is the dedication and effort they put in wvw. They might put their majority of work in other areas of the game.

T1 is the closest tier to being balanced, that is true. But it is not completely balanced. When we can have a tier where no one is guaranteed 1st each week and each week people are left wondering "Whose going to win this week? BG, TC or JQ?’ then we can say its balanced. T1 hasn’t been like that since I’ve been in it. And one week is not a good example. You don’t know which server is going 100% or which server is tanking aka taking a break.

Rebound.3409:

Yup correct. Does that matter?

@EmoDevo don’t make this into a server vs server thread pls. U want to talk about why u lose..open a separate thread somewhere else.

It does matter. For some reason there is a very vocal group of people on BG who don’t believe that coverage imbalance exists. When you tell them that it does, they will tell you that they are outmanned in every timezone and try to use weeks where they are tanking as an example that they are facing superior coverage and need help (more guilds).

Rebound, I honestly think you should transfer to another server or tier and see what it’s like to be on a server facing superior coverage. It’s hard to take your stance on coverage seriously when you’re on the most stacked server in NA.

Rebound.3409:

In my experience and my server’s experience it HONESTLY always was Server A….ALWAYS. I am 100% not trolling or trying to prove a point just by throwing an answer that suits me. But again this is my experience. Maybe u had a different outcome.

I checked your post history and it seems like you’re from BG? Is that correct?

Rebound.3409:

I know it’s hard to believe friend…but coverage is part of the efforts of a server..both directly and indirectly. The more a server is known to be a good one the more ppl will come to that server and even settle. WvW is a game of coverage..yes…. but in many cases coverage hasn’t solved complete zerg wipes from a more skilled server/group/commander/tactics. The moment when u stop thinking of WvW as being only coverage related and start thinking that numerous things make WvW what it is..that’s when this game mod will progress.

“Zergs” in wvw is just the surface of what’s necessary to win games. U have to see past that or stop lying to yourself. With all honesty don’t read this as an insult.

So let me ask you a question. If Server A has the best pugs and best guild groups and Server B is full of bads but they have more players across all timezones, who do you think win?

Rebound.3409:

Personally i don’t even like the changes compared to S1…..it was simple back then..u are good? u win…period. Best server wins a season like any normal competition on the planet.

ROFL, not hard to guess what server you’re from. I don’t think you understand that WvW matches are primarily won by a server’s coverage and not skill. I know its hard to believe but coverage imbalance actually exists, friend.

That Hazelwood fellow seems like he would be a fun person to follow

Zhrek.9781:

Kigera.9584:

Zhrek.9781:

What happened to all the BG Chest thumpers?

Holly I miss you

BG’s chest thumpers are still there. Instead of bragging about ppt, they are now bragging about “farming” like they are Maguuma reborn. They just can’t help themselves from talking trash lol

if it was true it may mean something

People have different definitions of farming I guess. For some it appears to be blobbing down lesser numbers with a map zerg.

Zhrek.9781:

What happened to all the BG Chest thumpers?

Holly I miss you

BG’s chest thumpers are still there. Instead of bragging about ppt, they are now bragging about “farming” like they are Maguuma reborn. They just can’t help themselves from talking trash lol

Seigfried.5938:

And if anyone cares here about winning, it is JQ and TC. They have traded their pride for more rewards.

This is truly rich. I don’t think you realize people said the same exact thing about BG season 1.

Tron.5816:

“All the BG crybabies..”

“Condense the tears…”

And you guys say BG is the problem. Everyone is part of the problem, but nobody wants to be an adult about it. I’ve even seen posts from JQ/TC telling BG commanders to tell their people to stop the childish posts, but do any of the JQ/TC commanders do the same for their own people? I feel even if the commanders actually did come on and try to be unofficial moderators on these forums nothing would change.

I am sure it has been stated before, you are all letting the voices of the village idiots make the rest of the populace look bad. And I am not just talking about BG, every server has them. Every server does nothing to stop them either.

If TC or JQ went on a forum qq rampage like BG is doing right now, they would get called out for it. Just like SBI got called out for doing it last season. Honestly, how many threads do you think your servermates have created this weekend? It’s getting ridiculous, man.

Tron.5816:

Jeknar.6184:

DeWolfe.2174:

My apologies our “drama” keeps spilling over into the official forums.

Actually it’s more like BG’s drama… I don’t see any chest-thumping from the two others double teaming BG.

Or maybe i’m not reading the forums enough…

You aren’t reading the forums enough, I see just as many Jade Coast posts antagonizing the BG forum trolls. If everyone would just stop trying to troll one another, maybe there could actually be a “fair” tournament.

Instead we get BG chest thumping posts which lead the Tarnished Quarry posters to antagonize BG with the kittened #BGTears posts, which just starts the whole two part cycle over again.

Unfortunately this is never going to stop due to the anonymity of the internet, but one can hope. I just hope JQ/TC win this tournament and get over this grudge they have against BG so we can actually have a fair match up next tournament, instead of trading wins with each other.

If BG posters stopped making threads, they will stop getting trolled. It isn’t TC/JQ making threads left and right to mock and belittle BG. It’s BG who keeps making these qq threads, irritating everyone because they’re sounding like a broken record. Honestly, if you want to talk about a 2v1, take it to

http://www.gw2wvw.net/forum

Don’t create multiple threads, talking about the exact same thing. Condense the tears into one place, please.

Sol.8341:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms

Liu Bei joined forces with Sun Quan to fight against the stronger Cao Cao in romance of the three kingdoms.

Kudos to TC and JQ for making Season 2 in NA so interesting ! First class entertainment.

Xiahou Mao.9701:

But in the end, the cowardly Sun Quan betrayed Liu Bei by attacking his province of Jing while Liu Bei’s general Guan Yu was on the march against Cao Cao. Guan Yu wound up captured by Sun Quan’s forces when he tried to withdraw and was executed. That betrayal sealed the fate of Liu Bei and Sun Quan’s kingdoms, as Cao Cao’s kingdom was never again challenged by either outside force, though it wound up collapsing to an internal coup with the resulting Jin Dynasty re-uniting China.

So the moral of the story is that TC and JQ had better not betray each other until Blackgate is destroyed! Right?

Lol, got me having flashbacks of my freshman year in high school. Picked up Dynasty Warriors for the first time and got sucked into the Three Kingdoms era for years. Too bad most English history forums on that subject have died off.

P.S. BG stop holding the forums hostage with your crying.

tim.8127:

To settle this matter for once and for all, and to not start a ‘who did what to whom’ argument, I was hoping ANet could officially just answer the following question:

Rule 22 of the Guild Wars 2 Rules of Conduct states:

While participating in Player-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder.

Given that WvW is clearly PvP gameplay, is the current and widespread practice of “2v1” (i.e. collusion between two teams to the detriment of a third and, it follows, manipulation of the outcome of the match) a violation of the Rules of Conduct?

That’s it. A simple question with hopefully a very simple, one word, answer.

Thank you.

Okay cool here is two quotes from other devs

From the earliest days of development, we knew that we wanted to include some form of large-scale PvP combat in Guild Wars 2, but how would it work? We knew right away that we wanted three teams fighting against one another on a series of huge maps in the Mists (our world vs. world battleground) and that each team would be composed of an entire server full of players. Including three forces in world vs. world acts as an excellent balancing factor, preventing one team from growing too powerful and ruining the competitive balance of the game. Two teams can gang up to counter a more dominant third team, a dynamic that simply isn’t possible with only two opposing factions.

At no point did I, or would I have, said “Fair competition” WvW is not intended to be “fair”. There are servers with more people, there are servers with better organizations and that will always be the case. This competition will be about showing how your world can do over a defined period of time, against a variety of opponents. SPvP is the part of our game that aims for a completely level playing field. WvW would never be able to match that goal.

GG mate

The gold league server would win. BG/JQ/TC are too stacked. Unless they’re double teaming each other, a double team from T2 on down won’t do anything to affect them winning.

Hopefully someone can find them and repost it here but most people who read these forums are familiar with two dev quotes. One of them can be simplified to “Two weaker servers joining up to face a stronger one is one of the intent behind a 3 way server battle.” The other can be simplified as “WvW is not meant to be fair.”

Anet is not going to intervene in a 2v1 when they have implied in the past that it is logical move. Instead of crying about it on the forums how about you start working on counter measures to either oppose it or break it up.