ventary aren’t been playable.
Cos at this game works only burst mechanic, not spammable…
One cos, why medkit engineer doesn’t playable…
Yeah, waiting 3 years yet to play turret engineer.
Still waiting…
We bought HoT for rev and herald, if talking about pvp.
But, once again, no one got elite specialisations for basic professions.
At the end: rev is uncompleted trash (ventari, demon is useless, demon much bugged and has not good concept, shiro ok, herald op, weak weapon dmg, energy with cd). what weaker then other classes, basic professions with specialisation stronger then herald.
So, if anet would gave elite specialisations for free whom bought game, they will no lose anything!
Just say that people, who bought GW2 and don’t buy HoT doesn’t get theirs elite specialisations for standard classes.
So, yeah, there are really p2w for them, cos pvp closed for them…As I said, there is no MMORPG in existence that allows people to still be competitive unless they buy an expansion.
Please tell me how I can be competitive in WoW without buying legion.
Is that P2W? Nope.
So you paid administration to being stronger than others, who don’t pay or don’t buy HoT?=)
IF Tomorrow will be next buying annonce, so if i don’t buy this, i can’t compete?
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Just say that people, who bought GW2 and don’t buy HoT doesn’t get theirs elite specialisations for standard classes.
So, yeah, there are really p2w for them, cos pvp closed for them…
I Would be glad, if anet cut only offensive direction at scrapper, just want to play support/healer=)
And make something with med kit. Last buff show me how it’s useless with that horrible trait, that works only if med kit is your active gadget (swap to other gadget and you will lost +33% bonus).
If they again cut engj with scraper, would be too sad…
About changes of ventari/dwarf, upping mallux and changing his bugs, i can’t hope…
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Where’s this Reaper sustain you’re speaking about?
A common mis-conception people use to make is confusing HP with Sustainability. It doesn’t matter if Necromancers would have 80k hp, they don’t really have a way of healing up the hp they’ve lost.
Rev can’t heal too, cos no stunbreaks.
For procast even dh can dmg me for 15-20k hp, and all time i would be into control.
With warrior amulet i can survive with huge hp bar, but now – can’t.
You can say, that rev has 2 healings, but with 30 seconds cd. Engineer has 1 healing with 15 seconds cd and can get much water combos.
Real rev problem – class absolutely uncompleted. He has weakness with strongs, but useless legends, bugs and too huge weakness to conditions/stuns look like stupid, except at condy and stun meta, where 2 druids at the point can daze you all time.
Rev good glasscanon, but can’t make anything real tanky (again, dead can’t dmging others. At pve or against golems rev great). Only dmg’ll safe you from death…
2 against 1. Enj can clean condy, reaper too fat. How far you can run away from thief under chilling and crippled? Not so far.
I will write 3 times for you – i don’t talk about 1 by 1, cos there no at pvp. 3 vs 1 or 2 vs 1 – easy, but not 1 by 1, only at low tiers…
Rev can be easy focused and dead first at any fight, cos he has lower survivability. Only herald can save situation with 3 vulnerabilities, but he is still weak to condy or to dmg (power/condy rev)
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Melt for 5 seconds. Reaper/thief/enj can survive much longer. Rev just die from 10 stacks of bleeding/poison.
How rev make dmg, if he dead all time against any clever foe?
Or gold rule “dead can’t dmging” there doesn’t work?
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So far, based on testing and asking PvP guildies it seems we mostly agree on the following;
S tier – Condi Reaper, Daredevil, Power Scrapper, Power Rev
A Tier – Power Druid, DH, Condi Rev
B Tier (this one is more variable) – Berserker (some of them say they are crap), Power Reaper, Shout Druid.
Z Tier – Tempest, Chrono.
Power Rev can’t survive under focus of 2 bodies. Just dying from condies very fast…
The Bunker meta is over if you are being focused 2v1 you should lose on any class.
at pvp no duels, so my survivability should be randomed, except thieves/reapers/enj?
Make tanky/heal/sup enj? that can easy survive under 2 bodies, so why rev can’t do that? Cos withous stunbreaks and condy cleanens he’s a trash…
So far, based on testing and asking PvP guildies it seems we mostly agree on the following;
S tier – Condi Reaper, Daredevil, Power Scrapper, Power Rev
A Tier – Power Druid, DH, Condi Rev
B Tier (this one is more variable) – Berserker (some of them say they are crap), Power Reaper, Shout Druid.
Z Tier – Tempest, Chrono.
Power Rev can’t survive under focus of 2 bodies. Just dying from condies very fast…
Summular with condy rev, too weak to dmg.
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Played at this tanky/sup build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vlAQJAWinfNWNSuJrJRHl/kskygS4S5QJorcrklTlINIZZN++XNrrE-T5QIAB/u/QSlBA4JAAA
For 7 days from amber to 4 ruby with no serious problem.
But not this all is trash, cos i too weak to condies and has no much hp bar (rev no good stun breaks, so hp bar help very much to survive under stun/focus)/
Before can survive 20+ seconds under 2 bodies focus, now can only 5 seconds…
And laughing at condy rev at this build…
So funny, that rev has no good downed abilities, cos slow now doean’t work at finishers=)
Rev can’t do anything tanky now.
If you go to shiro, you will die from condies thieves/druids/chrono/necromants.
So no, rev really weaker, then my enj, that can clean any condies from himself any 3 seconds all time…
And yeah, never saw any condy rev (for all season), that will be better then necromant or chrono/druid. Just go away from fire field and sadly look how he trying to stack torment at you, when others can give you 10 stacks of bleedind/poisons/confusion for 2-3 seconds, just use 2-3 skills…
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Rev is not best condi dmg. Only against DS foes (enemies with down syndrome), whom can’t run away from fire (why we don’t see playable ventary or enj with med kit? Cos you all time should spam, wasting you ability to attack or defend. Demon with mace do same thing. And his condies can be really easy transfers back to him with necromant. And wasting all energy to removing/applying conditions – too dangerous. Anyone else can easy use all his abilities at one moment, but Rev can’t, cos has cd and energy. So much people play herald, cos free energy abilities and spamable weapon ability). Demon confusion cost too much (but remove 2 boons, so ok), you should spend all you energy for 9 stacks with no any defence.
Torment doesn’t look great, cos you should all time stack it.
For example – necros, thieves, druids, engines, warriors, Dh can stack all theirs condies for 3-4 attacks, or chrono, that can do anything and his condies would be stacked by illusions.
Like a dmg rev too sqush. Yes, he has aoe stun, aoe daze, but can’t protect himself against stuns or condies (demon resist easy can be removed with 1 rune). But you can’t do anything against fous of 2 bodies (now, without warrior amulet, cos stand much time into control).
Rev really too unbalanced now. With tankometa he was not such bad, cos can survive into control with warrior amulet. But now – too squishy for that.
It’s funny, but enj now more unkillable to condies, then rev. Easy can make support build, that can clean all condies from me every 2-4 seconds, except demon, who sleep into stuns too much time and need 4 allies around him for every second resist.
Wow, what a baby. Nerfs suck, but anyone who thinks Rev is kitten now should play other classes once again to gain a better perspective.
With condy meta rev really sucks. It’s his real weakness. Thieves or chrono/Dh/druid/necromant can easy kill you at 1 vs 2 (with warrior amulet could survive one against 2 foes, but now – can’t, too low hp bar). Cos 10 stucks of bleeding, 6 stucks of poison/burning/confusion just usial reality from 1 person for 2-3 seconds…
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Again dps?
No other build except dps?=)
Give me playable build without dps.
Or i can write such post about how can thief play with weapons skills without ult and elit=)
Or some easy question – any playable build without shiro and herald…
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And it contered with 1 rune.
More sweet stories=)
But so funny eet such low skill players at pvp, that can’t kill demon even mesmer or necr (whom has no problem with this at normal build)=)
But all necrs play with zerker build with much conditions. And mesmers too.
And again, mesmers has no any other build against dps? So why others has, even thief can be support now with much dazes and control (like mesmer)…
It’s real problem. If look only dps build, only need to fix uch bugs and we get any new builds. But support ventari and tanky dwarf will be useless!Was that a response to my latest post?
Why rev has no other build, except dps. No sup, no healer, no tank. Only dps (with some gibruds)
But all necrs play with zerker build with much conditions. And mesmers too.
And again, mesmers has no any other build against dps? So why others has, even thief can be support now with much dazes and control (like mesmer)…
It’s real problem. If look only dps build, only need to fix uch bugs and we get any new builds. But support ventari and tanky dwarf will be useless!
In my playable tanky build i have 4% on crit.
If i play like a sup healer, i have 4% again (and it dps too). I don’t understand you magick T_T.
Problem, that others build except dps is unplayable much time…
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In my build, I use the trait Cleansing Channel together with weapon sigils Sigil of Cleansing and Sigil of Purity. Since my playstyle is all about dumping all energy within 10 seconds and changing legend, I rinse 3 condis every 10 seconds. I think that this is sufficient.
Any comments?
How against new necro with permochiling and mesmers with condies?=)
And sigils has chense of trigger, some only at crits.
Our staff is awesome…Oh that’s a mighty nice defiance bar you have……It’s be a shame if someone were to remove it….BAM Surge of the Mists
on a 20s cd and then we can do… nothing with it
Thieves no cd at weapon, so they don’t understand about what you talking.
Try to explain first what is it cd…
Momentary Pacification is a good skill. Every 10 seconds we have daze around us (jade winds ?2).
Tranquil Benediction is a trash. We have no survivability for 2 sec spam.
Hardened Foundation too weak. Better something else.
Try to play rev now. Not only shiro or herald. Biggest part of abilities bugged or too weak. Dwarf or demon now more useful for spamming weapon skills, then use elite skill.
Look at the ranger forum, where too much cries about healing specialisation, what really op and has no bugs. And look at the half broken rev, where every 3 ability useless or don’t work.
And even don’t tell about great healing tree, what can’t do that any good.
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Will be same situation like engj – class will be too weak and all of us should wait all classes rework (who played 1.5+ years ago should understand)…
Too bugged and to unbalanced (2 stance only work great).
Really alfa version class.
Demon abilities weak, but hir tree great (but bugged).
Yeah, need ups at all skills, and more dmg. Now demon is a clear tank (unlike a dwarf).
At the good hands mesmers too good. Much mobility allow them run away, but yeah, it’s one of the mesmers problem (and resolve with much illusions and invisible with huge mobility).
Fight against much mesmers, they are hard opponents.
Lol. why are you playing thieves, if they so weak. play warrior/scraper/ranger to know your limits!
If thief not weak, so will be so huge nerf decrease duration from 3 to 1 second?=)
For my opinion – mallex good, but need some buffs (stunbreak, bigger dmg, bugs clean ).
Ventari is horrible. Can’t heal himself, no survivability, no conditions remove (good remove), low radiuses, too huge energy costs.
Dwarf is horrible too.
Now play demon + shiro. Good build. Demon + ventari not bad too, but no healf regen, so no survivabilirt
Please, o great guru, tell me how to play ventari and dwarf, don’t using herald/shiro.
Tell me how to heal under the focus and have so big survivability like a herald + demon with dwarf tree!
If you found only 1 of 3 playable build, its not meaning ,that rev too god with only dmg tree(all working build are herald/shiro, sometimes demon with all his bugs).
It’s funny, but ventari can live only with +1200 vit and +900 toughness amulet, and still too weak then others stances
Don’t play herald.
Tell me about ventari, dwarf and demon…
Think about demon. Mass resist not bad too (but dwarf for short busrt better).
Main rev problems – class to bugged. May be he great, but no one understand this with half broken abilities…
No need up herald, other stances should be available too…
Reveal him. You’re a Revenant, you can do that.
No Revenant has any right to lose to a Thief.
Hmm, have i revelation? No.
For you words, i should play only into herald. But what if i play at other build, or only herald should be available at this game, not everyone?
All others traits more useless ,than battle training…
It’s main dwarf tree problem: good last passive, good mandatory passives and bad others…
or he can go into invisible and wait (healing himself and regen initiative). Cos you really don’t know run away he, or not.
But real problem ,that you can’t run away from thief…
May be i don’t know something, but hammers even at pvp with 1.2k healing is ~ 60 hp per hit with -7 energy regen. It’s really low, not against 5+ mobs.
Try to fight against engj. You will see some strange animation (like from jump or ult), but conditions does not applied to enemy.
And it’s really bad, cos at rev now to much condies all time…
Engineers get mobility from scrapper, and now it’s real power. Not slow char, that anyone can shoot with no punishment.
Rev has no condies removal, has no mobility. Get roots? Just stay and die (or block dmg) or swap into demon. Can you run after that? No! No condy remove, just be chilled/crippled/rooted. And conditions dmg you into block. So funny get – 1-1.5 k hp per second.
May be after some up of stance (except herald and shiro), rev will be ok, but now he is too weak.
P.s. don’t think, that thieves with poisons and controll too bad dualist. -50% hp after initiations to my revenant with sentinel (it’s about 15k hp was lost). And all time i was into permo control. And get roots after that…
Most playble build for me demon + shiro (with dwarf tree). Just meser style. Shiro tree for more dmg. Not bad shiro + ventari, but too horrible (all time like a shiro with ability to heal ally and focus weakness).
Problem, that only dmg usable at rev. Liuke a tank we got weakness to control/condies/burst. Yeah, demon good against condy necro, but too weak against control and burst (more def weapon). And no good stance against control (herald with 1 break stun and shiro with too hight costs for ability, but cheaper, that dwarf).
Ok, will be great, if rev has weakness to control, but with conditions we get too much weakness.
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+ sometimes it didn’t want move. Button clicked, but still stand on the same place.
This trait doesn’t work. Tried fight with engj. No one effect hasn’t been transferred.
Try to play dwarf.
If you CAN heal yourself and get roots, just stay with no ability run away. Ult with 1.25 second cast too often dazed and we lost 50 energy! Don’t get dwarf for this problems. Cos 5 sec not so good when you can stay into the roots with no ability dodge or run away…
Demon steel weak to burst and control, but much useful then dwarf. But useless for team and his dmg too horrible (why we should take clean condition tank with 0 dmg, only weak conditions?). Pulsating Pestilence is broken.
Ventari useless with their energy costs.
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Heaven forbid a class have a weakness.
Don’t think, that class. with 2 playable stances is divinity. Yeah, demon stance not bad now, but still less useful, than shiro or herald.
Situation like with engj – too much abilities, gadgets, but biggest part of them is useless then other…
Jade winds is great skill. We should risk for stun, unlike thief. And this not bad!
Shiro Teleport working without a target would be a really nice change now that it has a cooldown.
It’s great but other builds will be useless again (can’t run away). Need more mobility at weapon (better change axe 4 to that)
Too much mobility, too much invisible, too much dmg with spamming (no one can;t survive against thief with 50% hp at the moment of attack, even block biggest part of shots).
Just try to play someone else to understand, that thieves too strong even in handless player…
and main problem, that you can’t run away from this kitty. But he can run from you=)The sad thing is that, despite thief being far and away the weakest dueling profession, you probably actually believe all of that. There’s certainly an issue here but it’s not with thieves being “too strong”.
Diving back into reality for a moment, the profession has some serious sustain issues especially in PvP. If their stolen skill helps with that a bit I see nothing wrong with it.
Thieves was most survivable tanks about 1-2 year ago. May be try something else then zerker glass cannon build?
And i don’t think, that ability attack someone and easy run away is worst. Get this to my revenant and i will be happy. Get this to my engj about year ago “i will be happy”.
Ask this question anyone – ability easy run away is greatest!
Cos so interesting dueling with one people and try to run away from 3 bodies at next moment. Thieves can do it, why others can’t away even from thief?
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Too much mobility, too much invisible, too much dmg with spamming (no one can;t survive against thief with 50% hp at the moment of attack, even block biggest part of shots).
Just try to play someone else to understand, that thieves too strong even in handless player…
and main problem, that you can’t run away from this kitty. But he can run from you=)
Thieves are the class for handless people.
You sadden there with this post…
Centaurs can’t remove condies too.
30 energy for 3 condies? Better use shiro stun for 50!
P.s. condies applies too fast at pvp!