I apologize if this topic has been brought up before in multiple threads as I am sure ( and too lazy to search for) it has.
But with all the polls and dev talk about additional changes in WvW one I have always thought made sense was to treat WvW players like sPvP players are now in gear and build options.
The “meta” changes so often and ascended gear is very expensive to make. As it is now I have to PvE in my WvW gear or visa versa.
Maybe there is a reason that is not apparent to me (other than just an monetary one) that this is not practical. But it seems to make sense.
On another note…. a QOL change that I have always wanted and seems to me would be very easy to implement is the shortening of enemy player name tags. It is very hard to determine numbers in a group or to hide around a corner when your tag is sticking out like a 20 foot billboard hanging over your head…. I know it is in the QOL proposed changes….just giving my +1 and hoping it could be done sooner rather than later.
I thought from day one that a 24/7 open world PvP “match” was a format that just couldn’t work. Why not have more realistic 6 hour matches with 2 hour breaks in-between. Winners of the match would be determined by points awarded for objectives capped and defended, as well as players killed…etc…and the points could scale by population so each time zones’ contribution would be more balanced.
Points then could be awarded to each server by how they placed in the 6 hour match and accumulate for a final weekly winner. Rewards in each match like a “daily” reward for participation and achievements would also give more players incentive to play and might help with population balance.
It would give each time zone at least a chance for a small victory every 8 hours and a reason to keep trying instead of how it is now when by mid-week it is already apparent who is going to win so the fair-weathers disappear.
Best move would be to work on converting all of WvW into a green/blue/red battle
No, thank you, unless untill there’s some sane way for the guild to join the same overflow. At least for one guild, i’m not talking about trying to get the needed opponent to the same map. Without such a mechanism this is gonna be a total mess (which it kinda is now) and will kill the remains of organised raiding cause people will enjoy endless tries to enter the same overflow as much as they enjoy queues.
Someone above already explained how to taxi in your guild to the same overflow….ppl do it all the time with PvE events…it is not a problem.
I’ve said a sane way, no shaman dances with tambourine please
Shaman? wrong game….but it entails joining a party..right clicking on a party members name…click join instance….for more than one party you might need to reform a party or two……I admit, there are times on Friday nights after exercising my elbow too much that becomes difficult….but most times it is very doable.. =p
Well, at least “Yakslapper” is still obtainable. oO
Yakslapper
Kill 1,000,000 enemy supply caravans.
You’re a caravan’s worst nightmare.
Title: Yakslapper
Best move would be to work on converting all of WvW into a green/blue/red battle
No, thank you, unless untill there’s some sane way for the guild to join the same overflow. At least for one guild, i’m not talking about trying to get the needed opponent to the same map. Without such a mechanism this is gonna be a total mess (which it kinda is now) and will kill the remains of organised raiding cause people will enjoy endless tries to enter the same overflow as much as they enjoy queues.
Someone above already explained how to taxi in your guild to the same overflow….ppl do it all the time with PvE events…it is not a problem.
Best move would be to work on converting all of WvW into a green/blue/red battle, not a server one. Borderlands/EBG are already dead for most servers (outside of certain prime times). Edge of the Mists should stay active nearly 24/7 because of its design. The other maps should be converted over.
This would be a good idea and will be the only way to achieve population balance IMO. Also reduce matches to 8 or 12 hours instead of 24/7 format.
It is the only thing good about EoTM from a PvP perspective.
I would also like to see them take out 100% of the PvE content from the boarder lands to give a little love to the PvP population. 95% of the game is PvE now including this new WvW map…can’t we have just the boarder lands with no living story, no jumping puzzles, no map completion, no random npcs that have no purpose except to get in the way of PvP?
PLEASE!
CONGRATS EBay!!!
All of your hard work and long hours have moved you in to second spot!
Overcoming SBI did not look easy, but they could not keep you from your rightful spot in this weeks match!
You are awesome
Yeah gratz EB…you did it all on your own…you are so awesome and should be so proud of taking second place even going up against the likes of YB and SBI….and I don’t care what anyone says you look nothing like YBs female dogs in this…not at all…
I vote for 30 pages
dang I thought that one would be it! o.O
I vote for 30 pages
It’s kinda interesting where people draw their lines at lately.
I mean, obviously SBI is fine with PvDooring, bandwagoning, and zerging servers with four times their numbers, and winning Coverage Wars against empty servers.
But suddenly, a 2v1 is totally and completely out of line? Really? SBI was predicted to win this matchup, so in reality, the bottom two servers are focusing the ‘top’ server. This is a design that Anet relied on when making WvW in the first place.
So, really, just stop complaining. 2v1’s suck, but it’s no different from fighting a server with literally twice your numbers—which Ebay has fought for the past, ohhh, six weeks?
Everyone in this matchup knows SBI can put the bodies on the ground. Heck, yesterday, they managed to muster a huge force that pushed BOTH YB and EB hard, out of their lands and took them to 300+ PPT.
So, really, SBI, what you’re feeling now is what your opponents in Silver League have felt every time they’ve fought against you (with the exceptions of YB and FA).
So…yeah. Welcome to our world. Hope it’s taught you a bit of empathy.
To me it is NOT the 2v1…the way this game is designed 2v1 must happen. I played warhammer long enough to see the pitfalls of realm vs realm and see the need for a 3rd faction. But 2v1 should happen organically. The way the maps are laid out promotes 2v1 if you are using sound strategies.
An out of game agreement to 2v1 one server just to effect the natural outcome of a match and then a refocus and relinquishing of assets to the other server with the sole intention to “manipulate” the league standings……..well, if not against the COC is certainly is not ethical and not a strategy that reflects on your superior skill. Not something I would be proud to have been a part of. The one time it was even hinted at on SBI it caused something of an uproar against it on our forums. We wanted to win or lose on our own merit.
Using the logic I have seen here it would be just fine to YB and EB if lots of SBI made accounts on their servers just so we could sabotage your WvW? …just a legitimate strategy that we should chest thump about if it works and then gloat about how good we are. o.O
Hope the big asterisks that will always be attached to these 1st and 2nd place finishes don’t hurt much when you sit down….or come back to bite you much…karma can be a kitten….I wonder if finishing 2nd in silver would mean a promotion to gold for Yaks next season…if so gratz….and I would start working on those 2v1 arrangements now guys…you will need them.
Whatever you say about SBI at least we win or lose our own battles.
Just wanted to congratulate YB on the win this week. I have never believed that a formal alliance between two servers could actually work long term. I know many deny it here but I saw too many times when we were fighting both YB and EB for the same ground when they were not fighting each other. And I am sure it wasn’t absolutely every player on both servers. But large guilds on both sides were involved. It has resulted in many fun fights and that is what the majority of SBI players are looking for, it really has been a fun week for me.
Winning the last few matches have been boring and mainly PvD..which kinda made us a little complacent I think. So we were ripe for this kind of upset. Plus we got lots of PPT in those matches almost by accident. We don’t really play the PPT game.
It was disappointing to see that some YB players even after you had a big lead thought it would be funny to troll us with alt accounts on our server. yeah I hear we did too in response. Every server has them I guess…and it doesn’t reflect on the whole server IMO.
What seems to be happening now though seems more like “match manipulation” to me. I have no problem with 2v1’s…that is exactly why there are 3 servers involved so the two weaker can have a chance vs the stronger and every home BL will and should be 2v1 for this format to make sense.
But when the winning server starts trying to influence 2nd place(which will also influence 2nd place in the league) by only focusing one server and seems to even be letting the 3rd place server take their own assists to help them pump up their score…that starts to smell bad IMO.
SBI does not deserve 1st place this week. But we sure don’t deserve 3rd through this kind of manipulation if that is what is going on.
In any case GG YB and EB. Have fun and good hunting. I am sure we will meet again.
There was nothing ‘formal’ about it. There was no alliance. It just sort of evolved into prioritizing SBI.
Bullkitten dude, when we see YB and EB standing next to each other, not attacking, that is an alliance. When we see YB allowing EB to take their towers and camps, that’s an alliance. This whole week until now, YB and EB have kept off each others map. No red points in blue BL and vice versa. It was and is a 2 v 1 against SBI, plain and simple. To not see that simple fact, I have pity for you my good sir, how unfortunate you are in life.
For the record, I could care less about winning 1st, 2nd, or 3rd . . . I just want a fair fight and for people to have a good time and good fights.
Read what I posted again. There was no formal alliance. No agreement. However early in the week it evolved into what it is now – which is just like you said, YB and Ebay are not really attacking each other (there are exceptions). But again, there was no agreement.
Hmmm…well reality and posts on this forum seem to indicate otherwise. EB could not have come back to take 2nd place (which also gives YB sole possession of 2nd place in the league BTW) without YB actively helping them boost their PPT even to the point of letting them take your stuff. We routinely would have to deal with YB defending EBs stuff but never trying to cap it. After YB had locked up 1st.
I guess this:
“While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.”
may be the reason you try to keep denying it. I wonder if Anet enforces their COC…because no matter how you look at it “manipulation” happened.
frankly I couldn’t enjoy a win or 2nd place finish like this anymore than I could enjoy using an aim-bot in a FPS. But some do I guess….can’t feel to good about yourself if you do. Just saying
Just wanted to congratulate YB on the win this week. I have never believed that a formal alliance between two servers could actually work long term. I know many deny it here but I saw too many times when we were fighting both YB and EB for the same ground when they were not fighting each other. And I am sure it wasn’t absolutely every player on both servers. But large guilds on both sides were involved. It has resulted in many fun fights and that is what the majority of SBI players are looking for, it really has been a fun week for me.
Winning the last few matches have been boring and mainly PvD..which kinda made us a little complacent I think. So we were ripe for this kind of upset. Plus we got lots of PPT in those matches almost by accident. We don’t really play the PPT game.
It was disappointing to see that some YB players even after you had a big lead thought it would be funny to troll us with alt accounts on our server. yeah I hear we did too in response. Every server has them I guess…and it doesn’t reflect on the whole server IMO.
What seems to be happening now though seems more like “match manipulation” to me. I have no problem with 2v1’s…that is exactly why there are 3 servers involved so the two weaker can have a chance vs the stronger and every home BL will and should be 2v1 for this format to make sense.
But when the winning server starts trying to influence 2nd place(which will also influence 2nd place in the league) by only focusing one server and seems to even be letting the 3rd place server take their own assists to help them pump up their score…that starts to smell bad IMO.
SBI does not deserve 1st place this week. But we sure don’t deserve 3rd through this kind of manipulation if that is what is going on.
In any case GG YB and EB. Have fun and good hunting. I am sure we will meet again.
Huh? What Krash said is pretty much the server’s history. It’s true. I am not sure what you mean Kiltor.
He probably takes issue with referring to SoR as a bandwagon server, as would most if not all serious players on the server. Also, there’s a decent amount of inaccuracies in the post. The real game changer for SoR was back when TW and a couple of other guilds left JQ to escape the queues and moved to SoR. This move is what pushed SoR into the #5 spot, where they ran into BG and superior coverage for 9 weeks. Then free transfers ended and yes, some SBI moved to SoR but not a ton. SF and Rage for example moved to JQ. A couple guilds went to BG and elsewhere, and of course WM to Kaineng. Even still, SoR needed more than just a couple SBI guilds to get where they are today, and they did over time to their credit.
While the WM transfer is what really opened the floodgates, I would argue that LoD quitting the game had the largest impact on SBI, and set everything in motion. SBI was having to push way to hard after that to compete against JQ and SoS, and it was wearing on them big time. When the end of free transfers was announced, SBI was limping and the WM move ignited a rush for the door.
Wagons come and go. Some push a server to the top for awhile, and some never get over the hump. But in the end, no wagon lasts forever, so there’s really no point in calling them out.
Enjoy your match guys.
Hmmm…yeah…what you said is so much different from what I said……oO
I didn’t bring the term “bandwagon” into the thread…a mag troll did….I was trying to show how THEIR implied definition of “bandwagon” would not apply to us as much as it would apply to SoR…..again…NOT calling SoR a bandwagon server…..NOT!!
So please, what other inaccuracies do you detect?
you should read the first line you wrote to yourself. You really have no clue what you are talking about.
I am curious what you think is inaccurate in my post. If you are taking offense to the term “bandwagon” (I did say no offense intended) then sorry about that…but it was the OP I was responding to calling SBI a “bandwagon” server not me that brought that term into the mix.
That poster said you should show SBI (a bandwagon server) how a non-bandwagon server works. My point was that by their implied definition of “bandwagon” it was more descriptive of SoR than SBI.
There were guilds that transferred to SoR because your stock was rising. The guilds that came to SBI recently did not do so for those reasons…we weren’t rising at the time.
Personally I don’t care why anyone transfers…that is their business. I did not intend to offend SoR but to put a MAG troll in their place for inaccurately labeling SBI as a bandwagon server……
..actually I have a few friends on SoR . I respect SoR’s skill and have enjoyed and learned much from fighting them…..
I can’t say the same for the MAG trolls that follow us in threads even when we are not in a match vs them.
otherwise what I posted is completely accurate from my perspective. Please enlighten me if I am in error in my facts
GL HF
This popcorn is delicious~
Did you bring enough for everybody?!
Sor plz go rough on sbi. Show them the power of a non bandwagon server!
You are obliviously new to GW2 WvW. So here is a little history lesson.
SBI was one of the first T1 servers. This was out of the gate not a rise to T1 from transfers. One of our larger WvW guilds (War Machine) decided for their own reason to move to a lower tier server, Kaineng. Clearly Not a bandwagon move on their part, but this is what started Kaineng’s bandwagon.
Anet had also announced the end of free transfers around this same time. The uncertainty of the effect on SBI’s WvW and the fact that we were normally the underdog and out manned even with them. And the pressure of deciding before free transfers ended compelled many more guilds to transfer and it snowballed from there.
Many of SBI’s top guild actually went to SoR. That helped fuel SoR’s rise and SBI’s fall. Similar circumstances had/have resulted in many other top servers falling too…like HoD, IoJ, SoS…and now DB to name a few. SBI had a strong enough WvW community to stop the slide in the mid tier range and solidify there.
The guilds that recently joined SBI did so because the WvW was not good where they were and they wanted to join with others that shared their enjoyment of organized WvW fights. There was NO bandwagon to jump on. All we had to offer was a good WvW community and fun fights. It was not apparent at that time that we would rise significantly in rankings. Now that we have it is certainly possible more will join now that there is a bandwagon to jump on.
So you see by definition the “bandwagon” server would be (And I mean no offense) SoR. Not SBI.
It is just that the few immature trolls on BP and MAG just can’t stand to lose to us. They used to have their way with our after hour doors and their mega unorganized blob zergs and now whine that we use those tactics.
Yes coverage = PPT, but BP and MAG didn’t complain about that when the coverage was on their side…and they chest thumped more than any servers I can think of when they won by PvD.
So now that you know the history maybe you will realize (I speak of the few BP and MAG trolls that are so kitten they are going to stalk us even when we aren’t playing them) that you don’t and never have had cred to speak about what is going on in the upper tiers.
“Go away kid…ya bother me..”
I don’t post on this forum very often…
I saw One X-server player zoom hacking…..so ALL X-server players zoom hack…it’s only fair… o.O
We work open field tactics just fine thank you. We are already a force to be reckoned with.
BP you need to work on your zerging. For you it is a all or nothing zerg. I rarely see havoc squads running around and when I do it is like 10-20.
This is kinda funny coming from someone who is always “Looking for 4 more,” to do anything and everything from killing dolyaks to taking supply camps to fighting another solo player.
Please.
The big problem with SBI right now is simply lack of PvPers. And when I say PvPers, I do not mean “PvPers” who run around with 20 other people spamming 1 everywhere.
Most players on SBI are running either random PvE builds in WvW, or some terribly inefficient incarnations of “PvP” builds.
A major lack of any sort of self-sufficiency in terms of general player ability on the world is also really hurting and needs to be dealt with. It is always “looking for more for X,” “Need more for Y,” and never, “I can do it myself.” Of course, things like taking a tower/keep/castle cannot be done alone, but things that should be able to be done solo should be done solo without wasting resources. Taking camps, taking sentries, even fighting 1-2 other opposing players.
“Of course, things like taking a tower/keep/castle cannot be done alone”
Don’t sell yourself short…we know you can and do, almost all things alone…
I have seen sbi zerg around in the early morning hours taking all of eb with hardly any defenders just pvding it up. I have seen BP form zergs in the early afternoon hours and pvd sbi or AR bls down. During NA primetime ive seen some sbi guilds and some bp guilds working to get better in open field. Both servers still have alot to learn though esp when it comes to constant movement. Movement it key to winning and ive seen a lack of tht from both sides. To argue over who has better open field tatics is pointless.
I agree!
AR, about 2 hours ago, we saved your eb keep from a SBI 15 golem rush and a omega.
Then you repay us by flipping all our camps and trying to take our keeps-.-Anyways, SBI has really kitten ed me off today.
Just because “in my opinion” they have little to no coordination or skill and just use their numbers to their advantage. Honestly couldn’t care less, but just letting you know to expect me on your borderlands 24/7 starting later tonight heheh.
I’m sorry, I don’t normally do this…but this post is too funny to me in a number of ways…
1st…“hell no we don’t have an alliance with AR…..but if something we do benefits them we expect them to honor that non-existent alliance and not take our stuff!”
2nd….“SBI really sucks and play really bad and it kitten es me off that they kill me all the time……”
3rd….“I really don’t even care at all though….in fact I care so little that I am going to play 24/7 on SBI BL just to show them that they suck and they keep killing me and I don’t even care……so there.!!”
lol XD
So basically…
Our server never runs from a fight, we are valorous manly men! Your server never stays to fight, you are feeble girly men! We always have quality, where you only ever have quantity. We are better than you all in every way, and it is futile to argue otherwise. Yay us!
Can’t say it better then that! LOL
I find it funny how different people read different emotions into the written word. It could be a really good study/paper for psych class. ;-)
Well you are right about that…I have made that very observation many times on many forums. Text without all the visual and audible ques one gets from face to face conversations can be interpreted in some very different ways….but that is for another forum and research project.
Another interesting psychological phenomena is when people project the circumstances they are currently experiencing as always the norm for everybody.
For example….I myself have many times waved at a up-level on their way to the jumping puzzle and let them pass in peace because they were obviously a PvEer just passing through hoping to slip by and get their map completion or whatever…..I know people have seen that but do you see posts about things like that?..NO…good news is boring.
But if a few players decide to be griefers…well the whole server is a bunch of lowbie gankers!!
If you happen to run into a few of our WvW event night groups…it’s OMG they have tons of players ALL the time…..when I can honestly tell you it is rare…on the BLs anyway. If we have lots all the time it’s ONLY on EB.
We both had 60-80 each
I really wanted to like SBI…….
All the talk about “we don’t have the numbers”, “we’re a PvE server”, “we don’t care about score”, etc etc, yet last night you fielded 4x our numbers and focused on our BL as well as our assets in EB. In the 4hrs I played yesterday evening, we were outmanned the entire time and the only zergball I encountered attacking our stuff was SBI. Interesting for a server that doesn’t care about score and doesn’t “have the numbers”.
And what’s with SBI’s 80’s ganking uplevels? Never have I seen so much of that from a server (not even Ebay….they at least had the decency to just ignore them and let them reach a tower/keep). And by ganking I mean waiting around by our spawn and when an uplevel tries to get anywhere, one of your 80’s jumps them from behind and spikes them in about 3 seconds. We need more players to come to WvW and that lame BS is just going to send them back to PvE. If you want badges that badly, at least man-up and jump 80’s when you spawn camp.
Looking forward to reset. Not sure how we keep getting stuck with servers like Ebay, BP, and now SBI, but maybe we’ll get a decent roll today…..
So you are upset that we had a server WvW night where for once we had good numbers and that’s just not fair?…….and you would like for us to escort your up-levels into the towers where they can man siege and kill us….
I know when I take my up-level to WvW All the BP people just smile and wave at me as I walk by…. o.O
Here is a tip that a pro WvW server like BP already know I am sure…..there are 3 ways out of every Spawn camp….so when I see players camping one of them…as I have seen from EVERY server….I go another way…….also pesky roaming thieves will hang around watching for target of opportunity to gank…..and they don’t seem to care if you are a up-level or not……. I can safely say I have also seen this from EVERY server.
This is WvWvW BTW……stuff happens
One of SBI said “haha try to roll our EB zerg it’s too good” so we did that and showed him how terrible their Eternal zerg is.
We’re nowhere close to Ego bay, they outnumbered us all the time and they called us bad.. we don’t do that.
Yeah I can see that you don’t do that….LOL
But seriously people……if you don’t understand how the perception of what is happening is greatly effected by one’s perspective ..then you don’t understand human nature.
There are mindless karma train zergs running from ALL servers…..there are times where organized and coordinated guild groups from ALL servers have wiped much larger groups…normally the above mentioned karma trains…lol.
There are good and bad(or just new and learning) players on ALL servers and in ALL zergs.
As a member of SBI I know we need a lot more training in general as we are more a PvE server than WvW. But we still have many very good WvW players and when we have those players in groups on TS and coordinating we can be very dominating . Depending on the type of zerg we encounter. I have been in groups where we have suckered in zergs 3 times our size and using good tactics completely wiped them and then went back to pick up a never ending string of bags that was awesome to behold…Wish I had screen shot some of those now.
And I have seen our zerg wiped as well and am sure I have left many tasty goody bags too….I know I have never dropped a precursor however…because I now believe they do not exist as a drop at all….after all the bags I have opened on my way to 20k WvW kills.. =(
Summary….yes SBI has a lot to learn if we are ever going to be a really good WvW server again….one of those things is to have more of us venture out of EB more often….and treat SM as the soul trapping, point sucking, promise breaking Kitten it is…
Oh…and saying a screen shot(one small fraction of an instance in time) is the ultimate proof of an ongoing situation is just delusional….sorry =)
The one thing I notice more than anything from SBI is the lack of upgrade strategy and lack of cap timing. Not all SBI, but a large portion. You guys are decent on the field, but unfortunately in WvW it’s a PPT game. Capping under the 4 minute mark and doing the very basic upgrades on your camps/towers makes a world of difference. It’s rare I come across a supply camp held by green where there was the first 5/10 silver upgrade dropped. I can solo a basic camp quite easily, and relatively quickly, and before the PPT rolls over as well. If the general attitude is “it’s just going to flip anyway” then, well, it’s going to flip. I know when I’m on I do everything I can to make capping a point painful, because most groups are just going to move on to softer/easier targets. That’s really the main thing I see from SBI, from an outside perspective.
Wow…very insightful and perceptive evaluation. It is something we are currently struggling with. We have had so many recent match ups where we were so MASSIVELY out-numbered in overall numbers and/or coverage…that the mindset has been that it is a waste of time and money to upgrade.
Many of us have been trying to change that mindset…but old habits are hard to break. Ironically we used to excel at upgrading and timing caps for PPT….but then we also were the #1 server for 4 weeks straight….those days are gone…….but coming again?…..ummm…maybe =)
BP member here, having a really fun time thus far with our BFFs AR and this newfangled SBI group!
My experiences thus far…
Reset night: BP was locked and loaded, and I joined Eternal, thinking my favorite commander would be leading. Though was on the map, he had no intention of leading our larger zerg. We went around the map, collecting different places, and fighting back AR here and there. SBI seemed to be nowhere in sight. Swords went up, and one of our gates broke down. We dropped what we were doing (trying to take AR’s keep) to go protect our property… But when we arrived, all we came back to see was a busted down door. This happened a couple times, as your zerg was reported to our commanders, and we went to check it out.
And finally, we met your zerg in the field. A sea of deadly red fire ants. I haven’t seen such numbers! Our main group had to have been outnumbered by you, 3:1 at least! You wiped us clear off the map. More than once, too. “So,” I thought, “anyone with those kinds of numbers… they’re guaranteed to win.” But a mindless zerg, you were not. …….
That was a ton of fun and your description of the fight is pretty accurate. It really felt more like a battle for Garrison than a battle for a tower.
I would not say BP was lacking any siege skill however….the red circles of death all around that tower was what made us attack from afar with trebs.
TBH what the kiwi commander was trying to do by trebing from the island was draw you out so we could have an open filed battle. That is the type of fights a lot of us enjoy the most. And we had a fair number of them that night…was lots of fun..dieing, killing and looting bags….I think I got around 50-75 badges in those fights before I had to log!
C you next time!
(edited by Krash.9486)
Not to mention you have a lot of skilled players, always nice fight with AR. And on top of that, you keep it civil. Not once I have been /laugh or sit on by AR (happens quite a lot with some servers).
GLHF.Like SBI?
It’s OK they were probably the worst group vs 1 I have ever fought.
Actually I’ve also noticed this behavior coming from SBI players even when it takes a group of them to kill you (and I’m not a thief!), and for the first time I’ve marked an enemy just to return the favor (and immediately felt slimy for showing such poor form). I know every server has their poor sports but I don’t recall this being a common thing with AR or Ebay even though we were attached at the hip for weeks.
Yeah…because we all know that whatever behavior a few have witnessed from the few players they have had contact with should be projected onto all the players from that server….it only makes sense!
o.O
Sooooo IMPRESSED with folks that were defending me and the [War] train that just crushed the zerg hitting SBI hills (we control) after holding out for 30min+.
And yes that zerg got wiped out =D we started with 15+/- with out maned till they showed up, i wish i knew why/how it took you so long to take the central entrance.
Nice…that is kinda similar to our taking of the AR T3 hills……but we were in the Lords Room and our flanking zerg wiped your defense on the bridge in about 3 mins there…
That was sweet =)
YO! SBI! We magummers were trying to help you at Mendons by trebbing the DB wall down lol. We decided to help you push DB out of Mendons and you just turn and zerg our trebs down on the hill
Apologies. We still have alot of new players who cannot see a 2v1 in thier favor. Please excuse the noobness.
I was there… Chat was something like ‘Magumma is here to help!’, ‘Do not engage Magumma if at all possible’…. Not sure why part of our zerg ‘refused’ your help
I know a bunch of us were cheering for the reinforcements. Thanks for the help and sorry not everyone accepted it.
To be fair, early in the day after Magumma capped SM and DB was trying to retake it, SBI flooded in and attacked DB from behind and tried to stop all reinforcements. When DB made a push into the lords room, SBI tried to crush them from behind. I was downed on the stairs, was trying to rez and a Mag came all the way down the stairs to stomp me…I was like ‘what the kitten! We were just trying to help you keep SM’…guess he didn’t want my help
This possible, unofficial 2v1 thingy (we deny that it’s actually happening) still has some kinks to be ironed out…
There is no way an “official” 2v1 alliance can ever work without these incidences. You will never get the word out to every possible player and even if you could there will always be trolls/griefers that would think it was funny to break said alliance.
2v1 should happen organically anyway. If you use logic and good strategy and tactics when you are the invaders on another BL and don’t have the numbers to dominate it….then it is just dumb to attack the other invading server on their side of the map. You need their help to hold your part.
It is done out of self interest and to encourage and take advantage of the opportunity to make the home server have to split it’s forces to fight on two fronts giving the two weaker servers a chance to compete….this is why there are 3 servers and not 2.
And you will still need to engage the so called allied server at some point anyway. You can’t get all kitten ed off if some on that server don’t seem to know about or don’t want to honor an organic or offical alliance either. It is what it is….if the majority understand the logic behind it then the 2v1 will continue as long as it is in each servers self interest. When it’s not…“If it’s red it’s dead” will prevail.
If you start looking for vengeance because you feel the alliance was broken you run the risk of screwing over your own server.
Anet could change things up a bit to make this happen more…but that’s a whole other topic.
Fighting against Dragonbrand is reasuring and yet utterly predictable. On reset from a position of equilibrium, Mag and SBI server held our own and the matchup on reset was quite interesting. It was exciting, there was action, mayhem and good times all around.
And then you check in at 11 am eastern and find out that DB once again nightcapped the whole wvw pie leaving 2% between SBI and ourselves. The infamous PVD nighttime posse has come to town yet again baby!
Now from an armored up defensive position where they hold everything, DB can keep their hegemony going during the day for a long time. anytime there’s a little bit of movement from a side, send a 50 guy zerg to crush it, then move on to the next assignment.
The worst is that i was expecting, even hoping to see general build/tactics/chuzpah improvement from DB, having been sent uptier from us ). Nope…. barely any surprises. The dragonbrand players are still a rather soft, zergy type. If they can’t beat something, throw 3-7 times more people at it til you grind it down to dust. ( kai and yak’s bend guys, in comparaison, are much better individually and don’t need to resort to these tactics to win) .
Such is the endless toil of living under Dragonbrand hegemony. You kill and you kill, and they keep on coming, without numbers. You wake up and all your progress is erased , just like an illusion, by the PVD colonel’s nightime brigade. But you get up, and you go back out there, and you make them pay for every inch, every offense, every lack of respect. Such is the way it shall be for the rest of the week.
Not that DB needs, or deserves defending……but…..in their defense I think any server with the numbers and coverage they have would end up doing the same thing out of boredom. And with that many you will always dilute the skill level with the many new/casual players that will venture in that normally would not.
the NaRf in this thread has reached maximum!! <3
Zort?
Maguuma, GIVE US YOUR HILLS.
… I need somewhere to akitten all night.Also, SBI? Hello server I’ve never even heard of before. Best of luck this week. =)
~ Kovu
SBI was once #1 server for at least 4 weeks in a row….maybe it was more…
welcome to the game =)
Are there any players on DB or SBI that don’t run from fights? At first it was cute now it’s just boring.
I don’t run. Come and find me! =3
It’s just a troll post…this guys post the exact same thing almost every match up…..he needs a new bit IMO =/
So you know, we’re not on voice, we don’t have more then 2-3 people in a guild, and we fight quite well considering. Don’t want to give any credit, that’s fine. I would love to see how well you would do every night with no major guilds contributing. No FaTe running on its own or otherwise. Yeah, im saying it. Our pug is better then your pug. SBI is just pugs.
Ummm. you really need to get out of Eb and on to TS more…
That’s a shame CD losing large WvW guilds. I feel your pain, and I know it’s not the first time. I think most SBI have enjoyed fighting CD more then any recent servers due to the fact we are pretty much balanced in population and skill. CD has also been very classy in the way they have conducted themselves in game and on the forums for the most part.
I hope you can hold on and stay in this tier. If you can’t for some reason and we do, I know SBI would welcome CD guilds to our server if any would like to avoid a slide to T5 and that play style. Some may prefer it. To me T4 seems to be just about right if we could just balance population coverage in all time zones. I don’t think anyone enjoys PvDoor.
Good Luck CD people! Hang on…or come join us if you want…you would be very welcome!
If they would make commander tags voted on by players on map and then give those commanders the power to move of destroy siege or even kick players from WvW with a 15-30 min buff preventing them from reentering. Or allow the players to vote kick by a majority or large enough number it wouldn’t be abused and used to grief too. That could solve a lot of problems. And those commanders would be accountable to the other players on map by vote.
This would also result in better commanders instead of just anyone with 100 gold buying a tag.
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Goodbye Guumbas, we hardly knew ye….
Please give advance warning if you plan to pass this way again….. O.O
Solo defense approx 1AM on EB versus poor Crystal Desert.
Literally a 1v8 (only one or two upleveleds), dragged some back to guards, ended up stomping out about seven total.. too bad the others ended up rezzing and running back to zerg me
Anyways, was fun owning you poor CD’s…..
The only thing I see here is you dead
^
Yeah, what I see is one very dead MAG and multiple very alive CD….so these SS show your awesome ability to die 1v8….hell I can do that!
And this is not really a complaint post BTW. Just an observation about human nature. I don’t do JPs for the most part I hate them…..the devs in this game must have been obsessed with mario brothers >.<
Proof coming in less than 24 hours, I think (-checks watch-) before the Box is ready.
confirmed >:(
I’m sure that post will make people stop camping JP’s.
It was not the purpose of the post. People who do camp JPs know exactly what they’re doing and why. It’s more for those complaining about it. See, whenever someone complains about JP camping, the campers are actually enjoying it and their behavior will be reinforced.
The only ones who could stop JP camping are ANet people and I doubt they want to since the area in EB JP was build on purpose for PvP (though they did something by removing the siege building – which should be a sign they did not fully like it). ANet has done a lot to convince PvErs to go and try WvW (see the badges for legendary and the exploration stuff). When they’ll think that JP camping is causing PvErs to avoid WvW, they’ll do something.
Till then, complaining about JP campers is basically feeding them.
I hope this was not perceived as a complaining post. As I said – PvP in the EBJP is 100 legit and intended by design. Camping it, just like camping spawn points on the map, is of debatable value though.
earendil is a good person and makes a good point. I also have never understood the perverse joy some people get from griefing. I enjoy testing my skills vs other players because it is more challenging then fighting an NPC that once figured out is just a matter of following the same pattern to defeat over and over.
But with PvP comes griefing. It is true in every game I have ever played. And it does say something about your basic character to participate in it. And when I say griefing I don’t mean ganking. Getting jumped by a sneaky, skillful and opportunistic thief is not griefing. Getting rolled over by a large zerg is not griefing, nor is getting 1v3 by an awesome mesmer. Laying in wait with larger numbers at a place like the JP where the victim is already at a disadvantage or camping a spawn with superior numbers is greifing.
In WoW I was on a open PvP server because I like open PvP. Griefers would camp the entrances to PvE dungeons however for no other reason but to get joy from ruining someone’s day.
People that object to this kind of behavior will be labeled carebears and told to play a game without PvP. But that is just the griefers trying to rationalize their rude behavior.
Would you treat the person the same way if they were a real life friend or family?
Yes it is part of the game and it is legitimate to use the philosophy “if it’s red, it’s dead” because it you don’t they will. But just because you can do a thing doesn’t mean you should do it. And like earendil said, denying the little bit of siege they would have got is of such a small beneifit to your server that to do it for that reason and not instead be helping somewhere else would be a poor use of man power. Of course griefing is the real intent not denying siege.
I don’t expect this to change anyone’s behavior and I do expect snarky replies. I know that griefing will ALWAYS exist. I just wanted to back up earendil’s point and make mine that you can still be all hard kitten and give no mercy to your enemy but you don’t have to be rude unless you choose to be.
And this is not really a complaint post BTW. Just an observation about human nature. I don’t do JPs for the most part I hate them…..the devs in this game must have been obsessed with mario brothers >.<
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I think there needs to be a way that commanders, in addition to having the blue tag, get a few abilities and one of those abilities should be the power to cut off someone from taking supply on their server for a 20 minute time period. This issue happens from time to time where some lunatic or saboteur from another server will purposely spend an hour wasting supply building a bunch of siege and no one can stop them. We just stand around helplessly whispering them to stop as they drain all the supply in SM. Then the other server attacks and takes the point. Sometimes it’s just some fool who doesn’t realize that supply is limited. If the commanders could cut that player off for say 20 minutes to a half hour, that would solve the problem. They could still play, just not carry or take supply.
And then what happens when this or another troll buys a commander tag?
A better solution IMO would be to let the other players be able to vote kick a player out of WvW and have that 20 minutes applied as a buff preventing the player from reentering WvW.
It would have to take a decent amount of votes to avoid abuse, like 10 or more.
For that matter commander tags should be by player vote too and not just go to whoever is willing to spend 100 gold for one. In that case commanders could be given additional power because they could be held in check by the vote.
I got tired of killing CD bads over and over so I decided to solo guild groups from SBI. Here’s one of me killing most of the [EA] guild in one go. It was probably just a lucky battle though since I don’t actually have any skill and just save the wins instead of losses. Ignore the 25 stacks and outmanned buff please, I swear I got those from farming coyotes instead of SBI for the hour before.
I mentioned in another post how some of the MAG trash talk is point and laugh material…..this is a good example as are most by this person……cherry picked video like this is pretty meaningless. like another poster suggested, if you really want the credibility and recognition you seem to crave post an uncut video from when you leave spawn for an extended time through many uncut fights….everyone has their good and bad moments…showing highlights of just your good ones and trying to say it’s typical is very comical and is only “typical” of insecure children if anything.
Honestly, his post is doing exactly as he intended. Trolling or not, though, Razi is one of the best solo players and commanders on Maguuma. These videos hardly show his full skill.
Not really, because I was using his failed attempt (as far as I am concerned) at trolling/trash talking as a so comically obvious example of the many laughable and failed attempts by MAGs forum warriors…..it is like the “They see me and all go run and hide” lines that he and another poster reuse over and over…..that kind of “you’re chicken” stuff stopped working on me in the 5th grade….
So how does one make SBI willing to come pvp if antagonizing doesn’t work?
I came to the first couple when asked nicely and had a good time and LOST every fight I was in…….even though I gave that Lani ele a very good fight IMHO….and that guardian too..
Since then the climate here has not seemed nearly so friendly…but that is not the reason I haven’t been back…I have tried and even posted on our forums to get a team together. I really think it would be good for us to learn better how to work as a group.
But I have just not got much interest. Part of it is when we are in WvW there is always something being pushed by someone somewhere. We never (in this match up anyway) have extended stretches of time with no one hitting our T3 keeps like some servers do.
I will keep trying though.
I got tired of killing CD bads over and over so I decided to solo guild groups from SBI. Here’s one of me killing most of the [EA] guild in one go. It was probably just a lucky battle though since I don’t actually have any skill and just save the wins instead of losses. Ignore the 25 stacks and outmanned buff please, I swear I got those from farming coyotes instead of SBI for the hour before.
I mentioned in another post how some of the MAG trash talk is point and laugh material…..this is a good example as are most by this person……cherry picked video like this is pretty meaningless. like another poster suggested, if you really want the credibility and recognition you seem to crave post an uncut video from when you leave spawn for an extended time through many uncut fights….everyone has their good and bad moments…showing highlights of just your good ones and trying to say it’s typical is very comical and is only “typical” of insecure children if anything.
That was a typical tsarazi moment though, that’s the thing. He isn’t saying mag’s good. We’re kittening terrible, he’s saying he’s good and on mag, there’s a distinct difference and maybe you think one player makes the server but it doesn’t, tsarazi is also one of the better cummanders on magrubma. That whole fight wasn’t cherrypicked because not only 5 minutes earlier he was bragging about a 3v1 he’d just won too. Although as is always said, the offer to duel him is yours, message him his name is on the forum, beat him and call him bluff or duel him lose and accept he’s an pretty cool player.
Point on guy before calling bluff, watch the video again, he got 5 kills. Same warrior twice and one necro add, so that’s 3 EA and an add, EA’s group looked to be roughly 6-10 strong so he wiped about half your group because your guild couldn’t work together and half decided to PvD clap
1. That was not my guild
2. I have not been posting videos and thumping my chest that I am almighty and never lose a fight…
3. Never once said I can beat anybody in a 1v1 fight ever!
I will have much more respect and interest in videos showing victories and defeats
I got tired of killing CD bads over and over so I decided to solo guild groups from SBI. Here’s one of me killing most of the [EA] guild in one go. It was probably just a lucky battle though since I don’t actually have any skill and just save the wins instead of losses. Ignore the 25 stacks and outmanned buff please, I swear I got those from farming coyotes instead of SBI for the hour before.
I mentioned in another post how some of the MAG trash talk is point and laugh material…..this is a good example as are most by this person……cherry picked video like this is pretty meaningless. like another poster suggested, if you really want the credibility and recognition you seem to crave post an uncut video from when you leave spawn for an extended time through many uncut fights….everyone has their good and bad moments…showing highlights of just your good ones and trying to say it’s typical is very comical and is only “typical” of insecure children if anything.
Honestly, his post is doing exactly as he intended. Trolling or not, though, Razi is one of the best solo players and commanders on Maguuma. These videos hardly show his full skill.
Not really, because I was using his failed attempt (as far as I am concerned) at trolling/trash talking as a so comically obvious example of the many laughable and failed attempts by MAGs forum warriors…..it is like the “They see me and all go run and hide” lines that he and another poster reuse over and over…..that kind of “you’re chicken” stuff stopped working on me in the 5th grade….
I got tired of killing CD bads over and over so I decided to solo guild groups from SBI. Here’s one of me killing most of the [EA] guild in one go. It was probably just a lucky battle though since I don’t actually have any skill and just save the wins instead of losses. Ignore the 25 stacks and outmanned buff please, I swear I got those from farming coyotes instead of SBI for the hour before.
I mentioned in another post how some of the MAG trash talk is point and laugh material…..this is a good example as are most by this person……cherry picked video like this is pretty meaningless. like another poster suggested, if you really want the credibility and recognition you seem to crave post an uncut video from when you leave spawn for an extended time through many uncut fights….everyone has their good and bad moments…showing highlights of just your good ones and trying to say it’s typical is very comical and is only “typical” of insecure children if anything.
Jelly of SBI, the server that suddenly appeared in Mag BL with 30-40 and put us straight into outmanned, and never captured anything more than two southern towers and some camps? Ya. Soooo jelly.
wait…..did I miss something? :S
OK, the annoying thief with the annoying quaggan pet is still good even after the stealth nerf and culling removal….which is very annoying.. =/
I gave him a harder time then some though I think on my little d/d ele…I knew where he was and dared him to unstealth on me…….and he did…….if just a couple of the north camp defenders had stayed with me we might have taken him down…….I can’t 1v1 him it seems……. kitten that’s annoying! >:(
CD is really bad at trash talk and making this forum at all entertaining.
Us SBI people also do not excel in Guumba style trash talk. I will admit some of it is very entertaining………….but some is so obvious it is just point and laugh material.