Guild Wars 2

I actualy really love how Braham took the commander down a notch, would love to see more arguments. Same with Majory, the reconsiliation could be interesting!

On that note… uhm… why is Caithe still alive..?

Keep Braham and Majory alive.
Kill Caithe.

I would never give Caithe the job she was given. It makes no sense giving her such important task after her betrayal. I would want her dead, but at least get her out of that chamber away from Aurene.

Here I go:

-Aurene mission and quality time
-how the pc talked with her
-how she gave them visions- as if the pc was truly her minion/champ (I hope people will question the pc for this and possibly distrust him further)
-how she still gives a vision when you are downed is the best touch ever
-how the commander is starting to talk as if he/she was intelligent too
-the commander has emotions and showed clear concern and sadness over Braham
-how the commander cooed and scolded aurene (already said but i gotta repeat)
-the overall way commander acte and did stuff

-so much quality dialogue! And so much of it! it was amazing! Please do continue like this!
-how Braham was accoused of a thing the commander did.. CONSEQUENCES
-how we keep disguising ourselves, Rox and Garm were fun.
-how the pc was called on for disguising themselves as if he was a lowly spy
-I did not like how braham changed at first, but that argument was the best thing ever-how the commanders ways were questioned? How Braham did not listen and accused him of things and distrusted him?
-that last part of what braham told to the commander- the drama! The dark themes approaching!

-the overall humor in the story
-the names of some things cracked me up
-COMMANDER IS STARTING TO HAVE PERSONALITY
-the new outfit and glider.
-the new map

Only bad things about this patch: Too strong enemies, Caithe still needs to die.

This is all of my head. I must be forgetting a lot of things. But Anet! 9000/10!
Thank you so much!

Edit: Aurene portal stone and the mini…. Anet, you finished me.
If your aim is to make the commander end up going against the other races alongside dragons, I am so ready, and more than willing.

Thank you so much for creating such a sexy outfit like Braham’s outfit is. I had to immediately buy it for both of my accounts, and I am sure at least 70% of male oriented playerbase feels the same way. Thank you for creating an outfit that has wide shoulders, thin waist, and oh-so-sexy chest…

Anet, you rock.

I salute ANET! This kind of hard choice- if it makes an impact later on- is exactly what this game needs!

Hopefully, just this tiny thing wont cure the PC… This has the potential to REALLY do something to them!

With the recent events and the ls3 p2 ending, they could easily spirale into a darker story, instead of the latest mylittlepony style forgiving and happiness…
After all, the commander turning out completely fine from the device that made Scarlet go plain insane was lame.. Consequences, people!

But I still have no idea who to choose!
While the logical part of my brain says Priory, I would like to give the stone to Consortium, for the exact reason SkinnyT.5382 stated above.
Clearly, the krait oil is a fad, so I wonder what exactly will happen to the pc. I also don’t want to stop the (scream) or seeing the anomalies… But they never really showed up that often to my characters anyway, despite doing all the story..

Giving it to Consortium seems like an option which might later result in the pc being kidnapped for experiments, or they will have to go to Consortium’s labs to retreive the stone to prevent some.

Giving it to the shady Priory member looks like eighter giving it to a fanatic, who will also try experimenting on them (with pc willing from what it looks like), or turn out to be a Consortium spy and bring it to them anyway..

Wait a second… Almost the same results..?
I am actualy glad, given that we get only one choice per account, at least I wont need to worry about not getting to experience the other path..
How I wish it was character bound!

Or, as players speculate, is it some kind of hidden voting?
If so, I guess I will consider the consequences some more and pick the darker option- just to watch the world burn as they say :v
But if it is voting.. I don’t think that the overall results are that hard to guess..

Edit: remember “vote for Gnashblade?” This is starting to look like it.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consortium_Supporter_

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Priory_Supporter

Also, an interesting comment on reddit:
https://m.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/56fcc9/now_that_the_dust_has_settled_consortium_or_priory/d8jbzz5

Seeing this comment and reading some more info online.. I am definitely going with consortium… I really want to see some fun results.

Whatever is chosen, I am looking foward to it as long as it turns out interesting and changes the pc a bit!
(Hopefully it will have some impact on the story- please don’t cure the pc..at least not yet..)

Amaimon.7823:

Ashen.2907:

Lord Trejgon.2809:

irony of this thread is…
that while on one side community seems to be crying for “darker” storywriting

on the other hand they throw so much hate on character which is written in the way they actually demand

very early in her life caithe has been forced to make tought calls
she made those calls
she’s not goody-to-shoes [like some other character we’ve seen in living world updates….] but her “orientation” in general scheme seems right

even when her ways are questionable

welp if you throw so much hate on such character you sould not be surprised for not getting more of “darker” storywriting……

Caithe isnt being written as darker. The exact opposite in fact.

Exactly, she did things by any standard unforgivable, and the commander is all like ‘ye, lets be friends again. Here’s a dragon whelp that can decide the future of this world. Have fun you two’.
It doesn’t really get much more mylittlepony than that.

That last sentence made me laugh. I wholeheartly agree with you.
You couldn’t have explained it better.

Whatever the case, I hope it is NOT healed with the shadowstone and the pcs insanity will be seen in some of the living story ot expansion parts, resulting in plottwists and distrust towards them.
I liked how Majory stood up for herself, the player character is a generic “hero” delivery man who listens to everything others say and never decides himself (except for in hot where he was actualy acting like a commander should).

To hell if we become the eggs champion forever, I am more than okay with that possibility- but the character should change up, he has been out there in the world for several years, should do something to his mind already.

Hopefully, we will get to see a darker story.

I think she got off too easy.
I can’t imagine leaving her with the egg after what she has done, she should at LEAST be exiled.

Seeing the comments here I am propably part of a minority, but when I play mmos I always join a RP server. Not because I RPed myself, but randomly meeting roleplayers in the middle of a community-made event always makes the game more alive, no matter the theme.
In all my years of just playing the games and never joining RPs, I have seen erp text only once, and that was in WoW when I accidentaly heartstoned an inn I thought was completely normal.
Rest assured, I turned off that chat window and went to bound in another inn.

I believe that RP is a great part of any MMORPG community, it adds depth to the lore and the world that you can’t simply do with NPCs.
It is, after all, a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game for a reason.

Back to DR and other cities, as far as Piken square (rp server) and Underworld (ex WvW champion server) goes, I have yet to see anything disturbing happen there.
I do not afk there much, but spending hours checking out skins in the bank tab or changing appearance, I tend to get distracked and read all the things that happen there.

If it is truly an issue, I would not consider making an overflow server you could join in for free anytime “for RPers only” a problem. Rest assured, I am sure it would solve many disputes like this one in the community.

I for one, would like to dive into the world of RP and see for myself if what you say is true.

But as far as I know, roleplayers are one of the friendliest parts of the community. There are bullies and other exceptions.. But on the larger scale, they aren’t RPing to compete, like people do in PvP or are not toxic like people in the Raids or Dungeons.

RP exists for fun and to connect like minded people who love the lore and want to be a part of it too. I can’t see how, as long as they are not sexual/—phobic themed In public, could they harm anyone.

Please.. Make the left shoulder smaller and less floaty.. You CANT sear it while using hammer or greatsword, wit pistol skills the characters head glitches through and the shoulder piece is floating in the air.. Just a tiny bit smaller or removeable.. The chestpiece under it is so pretty.. But that shoulder!

Oh i see! Nice!
But that floating shoulder is just.. No.

Daunte.3095:

It’s not just big, but it does that annoying floaty thing which big shoulder pads do as well. I wish we could simply hide shoulders because I like the outfit in spite of them.

Oh now that is just ugly, no offence.. But this is truly not something I would like to buy..
kitten I wish it wasn’t like this! I would buy it in a second.
It is the same for many things ingame, instead of making fitting boots, you get weird giant stompers, and if you are really unlucky with big plates on the front.. I rarely find any good looking armor for my charr, human or sylvari males.. It is quite flustrating when you literally use one skin of shoes or shoulders for all of your light armor characters..

And Djinn me too.. Me too..

penelopehannibal.8947:

Hi OP, I’m a fellow RPer too from Piken Square.

As much as I would love some of your suggestions, and pretty much everybody, Roleplayers and Non-Rolplayers alike would love to be able to sit on chairs, the trouble is that we have five different races and within each race they are different scalable sizes, which was confirmed a problem for the developers when it comes to the sizing of chairs and what-knot. I assume a similar problem for leaning on stuff as well.

It would be great – but I wouldn’t get your hopes up on the idea though.

Krinstin.6287:

Oh I am sure many players would love it! You couldnt believe how many of my guildies and friends loved the new ones added with BF! (And they looked neat when used in the story itself.
For roleplay, it would be great to get /hurt, like when you get an injury. The downed animations will propably never be allowed, but something similar would be amazing.
A gemstore /chair emote would be amazing too..
It is too bad that RPers are overlooked, even through they tend to care about the gemstore items the most (rper needs to look the part too).. A little bit more emotes and the ability in options to automaticcaly connect to a server marked as “RP server” would improve roleplay tremendously.

Hi Krin, you seem familiar…

I do like your idea of a gem store chair. Perhaps one we can carry around in our inventory and when we take it out, we can sit on it? Kind of like how we have a scalable magic carpet.

Oh snap, Tony found me… And while I used wrong grammar and kept repeating the same words..
Yeah, I can’t imagine the Anet team changing every chair/sofa ingame to fit all the races. I like your idea of carrying it in your inventory, I would prefer to unlock it as an emote, because I admit I hate hoarding things in my inventory, but both of these ways sound nice and seem possible.

I know many “gemstore addicts” like me who would jump at the opportunity to get that, even through they have no interest in RPing.

It also feels weird when you decorate your guildhall for all to enjoy.. And you can’t even sit on the chairs..

..Just some more emotes and an optional server that we could all join temporarily when we want to RP… It sucks when half the community is in the same map but scattered over different shards..

Nikal.4921:

Krinstin.6287:

The new outfit made from Taimi’s is beautiful on human females and all asura, what bugs me is that on human males the left shoulder is giantic to the point of riddiculous and the waist is too thick for the outfit to be even remotely good looking.
I understand that there propably wont be an armor skin version, even through I would buy it in a second, but is there please any way for it to be fixed so it looks at least as decent as the human female version?

Thank you for reading this, the rest of the patch is amazing!

I have noticed at least some outfits doing this on human males- looks fine from the front, but from the back, their waist looks grossly huge. Order of Whispers medium armor would be one highly disappointing example.

Again, what is Anet’s excuse for not letting us turn off shoulders on outfits? Shoulders always seem to be floating above the main armor, so it’s not like they are an integral part of the outfit.

I feel that pain, there were literally 2 gold/token chest skins (excluding the envoy, but that one has a weird spiky belt and is for achievements) that made a medium armor wearing male look decent, rest is just in the gemstore.. the huge waist is just too weird.

I am unsure about the shoulders on outfits since I generaly buy light armor style outfits except for the crystal arbiter (which doesnt really have shoulders).

I see.. It does look better than in the preview.. Are you using the slim muscular build, or the bigger one?.. My characters have the bigger (slim waist, wide shoulders, but not the huge arms) so i would like to know whether this is the case with that bodytype or not before buying it.
Thanks a lot for the screenshots!

Please no. It would break the game.
Gliders are fun enough.. This would be just ugh.

Well it looks okay from the front, but the waist looks thick from behind (at least in outfit preview)
Also have you tried drawing a rifle in that outfit? It looks like the characters face will be obstucked by the left shoulderpiece.

Oh I am sure many players would love it! You couldnt believe how many of my guildies and friends loved the new ones added with BF! (And they looked neat when used in the story itself.
For roleplay, it would be great to get /hurt, like when you get an injury. The downed animations will propably never be allowed, but something similar would be amazing.
A gemstore /chair emote would be amazing too..
It is too bad that RPers are overlooked, even through they tend to care about the gemstore items the most (rper needs to look the part too).. A little bit more emotes and the ability in options to automaticcaly connect to a server marked as “RP server” would improve roleplay tremendously.

The new outfit made from Taimi’s is beautiful on human females and all asura, what bugs me is that on human males the left shoulder is giantic to the point of riddiculous and the waist is too thick for the outfit to be even remotely good looking.
I understand that there propably wont be an armor skin version, even through I would buy it in a second, but is there please any way for it to be fixed so it looks at least as decent as the human female version?

Thank you for reading this, the rest of the patch is amazing!

I love it actualy, please dont remove it Anet.
It looks as if the pc was going crazy from bloodstone addiction, or from ls3 spoiler, or something else.
Whatever the reason..At least the commander is not silent all the time..

1) given how gw2 works, we will propably never do that. It would break the game for the newcoming players. Most old maps are frozen in time for them.

Imagine that you went to orr, expecting to find Zhaitans wasteland and suddedly come into lush greenlands with people on map chat saying “lol, you came too late, all is gud now”

2) That remains to be seen, which one will ne the bigger threat.

3) I agree with you, but i would love to see some betrayal there, forcin the pc to kill the traitor (i am looking at you, Caithe) just so that it could give the pc character development. And not from lazarus, that would be too lame.

What i would personaly love right now would be some ls parts taking care or getting to know aurene. The commander is her champion! Theyr lack of direct interaction with her was killing me mentally.

Aww, wish i could have participated.. Any plans to make another public event?

Its too bad that there was no cinematic.
The one upon arrival to bloodstone fen (and verdant brink) made me breathlessly watch it.
It was such a gripping and terrific work of art and story.
It is too bad there was none on arrival to Ember Bay, on the boat or something.
These cinematics give you a true sence of adventure, as if your character was an explorer.

What suprises me is one thing: Taimi found out about Primorduses activity while the pc was in BF, now ifyou consider it story-wise, he was there for less than 2 days.
How did all that krewe make so many bases of operation and tuned in gates, when its said that it takes a long time to retune them? Let alone, get to the island, secure a zone and man up defences?
Eighter the asura have made huge progress during the past 2 years or i dont know.

Rognik: your comments remind me of feminist speech about men not liking every woman no matter her race or looks :v you seem heavily triggered with this, while i am sure you dont mind the fanservice aimed at men, i dont understand why would you be so keen against women enjoying some too.
Seriously dude, chill with these comments :v

Zoltar: half of your sentences dont make sense, and the flaming was ment for the whole thing i wrote in “2)”, as you helpfully have in the quote, not just the bolded baldness line.
I wouldnt reccoment such “jokes” on other players, it looks weird and childlish.
Your joke on her/him about this sort of behaviour suggest you have some sort of bad/low view on women in general. And since its just because he/she said that one character isnt that good looking and your assumption that the player is a woman (i apologise Sartharina, i dont want to assume your gender when you never said what it was), im worried about your future relationships.

Cant see why do you guys argue so much about it (especialy the baldness) anyway when you propably enjoy the fanservice ment for you too.
Yes, everyone likes different things, but you do realize that the women in gw2 are generaly made to look the best for the MOST of the audience, thus they have the most alluring looks and “personality”.
I have nothing against it, or i dont care as long as there arent romance options (which will never be) i also like how the other characters are varied and not all of them are supermodels (male and female).

But they could give female audience some generaly alluring guy into the guild too. (Tall, wide shoulders, short hair.. all the other things MOST women like, as its done for the male audience with women)

Having some good looking man (or woman, but there are some already) in the guild would only hurt the truly insecure.

Edit: now that i think of it, since gw2 is such a progressive game with homosexuality and transexuality, it would surely allure even male homosexual audience, so it would be even more progressive.
I didnt mean to exclude you guys in my comments, i just wasnt thinking about it that much. I would edit “female audience” to “any who like men” but it would be too long and harder to understand.
Nothing on homosexual women because you get some exclusive stuff like men, lucky you.

This is my last comment, im done changing the subject of the poor OP who jsut wanted to talk about the lore :v

Torolan.5816:

I personally think the commander is much too soft with Caithe and should dismiss her at every opportunity. She can stay a shadow and help from afar, but not close to the commander.

Why?
Unreflected:
She let her sister get killed by her lover. Neither wise nor very strong willed, no other known firstborn is of that mindset. I don´t buy either “I killed her to keep the secret” and “Oh, the Centaurs that did nothing to Wynne for months attacked Faolain all of a sudden” rationale.
Secretive:
She stole the egg and never said why until lately. Trahearne at least was very honest with his wild hunt and was basically dragged kicking and screaming into the whole afair. Staying cryptic is not helpful if you´re a confessed murderer of your own close kind.

I completely agree with you.. Id personaly go further than just screaming at her.. considering the connection, the commander could be murderous with her for taking the egg away from them.
Wish Trahearane survived instead..

I agree with Ohoni and i would personaly send her away just like Lazarus.
I dont even understand why cant we leave the hatchling in the care of the exalted or in our own..

I dont agree much with the OP, it seems like we are the polar opposites in our feelings,
Id personaly be far more strict with Caithe (if i couldnt kill her) and be mad with Taimi, not because of what she does, but because she became arrogant and did these things behind pcs back too.
But yeah.. Rytlock tell us about the sword already.. I am starting to hate him for stealing Ruriks sword..

But our disagreement eventually leads to an agreement: while i dont think we ever had much choice in reactions, id like to get some.
Especialy given that further we get in ls3 the less interaction (press F) we get with the npcs.
The decisions can stay the same. While i would want to recruit lazarus, storytellingly wise it would be hard to expand on 2 choices: instead if you had the choices in the way you say it, like we had with (charismatic, diplomatic, ferocious) or just 2 (calm or violent). You could end up with the same result, but it would give the player some ability to feel more like theyr pc.
It would be perfect if they were voiced, but at least written is something.

Wow i triggered some guy, okay, lets get this straight:

1) " His earliest known activity was soon after the murder of Mendel by a corrupt Ministry Guard, when he grabbed Marjory Delaqua from behind and proposed a working relationship that she “wouldn’t forget.” He was described as gently moving, having a deep voice, and no necromantic power."
==E is a guy, and sounds quite handsome
Kasmeer said that we cant be so sure, but she was not there so…

2)Braham is, as described by Sartharina, bumb, has weird norn sunken shoulders and tiny legs that would put tf2 heavy to shame.
He is also bald, and before you flame me. Imagine Kasmeer and Majo had no breasts and the biggest female bodytype, dubt youd find them that sexy.

3)Cannach is salad and short. Personality was amazing, but he left..
Rytlock? Would you go crazy over Rox? While i love how charr were made to be both cat like and attractive (both male and female) they are still not human sexy (which is amazing)

Id love to get missions with E, he could deffinitely help us against Caudecus or the dragons. From what it looks like he might be as shady politician as Anise. It could prove interesting whoever you are into. I dont like how Taimi became so arrogant, so a kind polite guy would be refreshing.
(But id still prefer some more missions with our end ls3p2 lovely spoiler)

Why not give girls some guy to swoon over too? Girls like fanservice too.

Zoltar MacRoth.7146:

Krinstin.6287:

And i am sitting here, hoping to find out who is E.. Hope he is at least hot..

Everyone’s young-looking and hot in Tyria, even the old people. It’s probably all the magic. Better than botox.

As a woman.. I wish… Npc men were like that too..
Every girl in LA is crazy about Logan, while looking at his face i see a regular looking and too old guy..
Then there is Faren, who is once again loved by ministry women.. But his personality just makes him ugly anyway :v
The only guy that i found good looking and who had an impact on the story was Doern V., but he quickly dissapeared as the story progressed.. And you didnt even find out anything about him.. So yeah.

When you look at dragons watch there is Majory and Kasmeer who work as sort of fanservice for men, but for how many girls i know are in gw, there is no good looking guy for them..

So some accualy nice looking guy who wouldnt entirely dissapear from the story would be nice :v

Hello!
The map is well made and i ve yet to find a glitch in it!

The story itself is great and i love how some sarcastic remarks were added so the pc is a bit less emotionally plain.
Playability is amazing, the only thing that i found sad was how you had no interaction with Aurene, or anything to do for the little hatching on her first day in this world.
(The pc also never directly acknowledged her there, only spoke of her, that was quite weird)
The connection pc has with Aurene through the visions is amazing.
Some emotional attachment to her from the pc would be nice, since they are her champion . I hope the pc wont react to her plainly like to most of theyr “friends” so far. After such an adorable introduction, it would surely make any player love her.

Also you couldnt “talk” with almost anyone except for the tech in the first ls3p2 instance. Its always nice to interact with the characters to learn a little bit more about the story.
But the lines the npc in ember bay itself say are brilliant, funny and lighten up the mood.

Overall great patch, thank you for keeping up the good work!
Looking foward to play the next episode

Edit: the game also looks far more lively with the voiced interactions and reaction lines the pc says in some areas, its a great touch.

RoseofGilead.8907:

I truly hope our characters are actually going insane. I mean, the random screaming, seeing the ley-line “ghosts”, and spending all this time soaking up magical ley energies? That’d make anyone bonkers. And I really want to see it be part of the upcoming story in some way.

Me too.
Insane, corrupted by Aurene thus becoming a true champion or preferably both.
Id love to see some darker story, especialy with how the pc is sort of bland (latest episodes adding some sarcasm made it far better tho) and improve it with some random insanity.

Hope they wont remove the screams and it will get “worse” with the pc.
Random blurrs in the corner of the screen like with blind effect would be interesting too.

Also the other characters could notice that there is something wrong with the commander, but the pc would deny it, eventually succumbing to Aurenes corruption entirely.

Mmos with dark endings are truly rare. If anet could pull this off, gw2 could become a legend amongst mmos.

And i am sitting here, hoping to find out who is E.. Hope he is at least hot..

(Well since she consumes magic i have no idea how would you feed her other than sacrificing yourself, chaks or another dragon.)

But i am definitely down for your ideas!
Sadly the chamber is server based, not client. And since there is even an adventure in it its not possible at the moment.
Making it into an instance could allow us to see it hatched.. BUT.
It would create an issue with the map timer which wont allow you to do the adventure when tarir is under attack, but that could be simply removed.
Also from what i heard the hot maps will be frozen in time just like base tyria maps.
But they were changed a bit during ls2, so who knows.. Would love some anytime interaction and quests for Aurene.

maxwelgm.4315:

Last line for no spoilers, close now if you don’t want to see it!

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So, during last episode of Living World we learned that 1) Magic works similarly to light and has a spectrum; 2) Each dragon holds a major portion of some ‘frequencies’ of magic, and upon release of it, others (which may or may not include non-dragons) can get hold of said power. This is not much different from what Kormir did to Abbadon, for he was supposedly going to tear apart the Realm of Torment upon death, so in the end it seems like Tyria and the Mists are held together by a detailed balance of different kinds of magic.

But what about “corruption” then? In LS3E1 we saw people going crazy over large amounts of bloodstone magic consumption. Wouldn’t dragon corruption merely be another form of this magic sickness, just amplified and/or fine tuned by its bearer?

Now this wouldn’t be so relevant if it wasn’t for Aurene (still inside the egg back in Tarir) literally summoning us from the Ring of Fire to safeguard her, not to mention the many instances where the PC was hailed as “her champion”, and also the visions the PC has from time to time (we even knew “her” name beforehand!).

It may not seem like that right now, but there’s no way around this as far as I’m concerned: that thing’s a dragon, and it’s stockpiled on Glint and Mordremoth’s magic (even has the long face of its cousin), and it’s not communicating with us through “good vibes and the best of intentions”. No, if we truly are “Aurene’s champions” that must mean we are “corrupted” in a sense, right? I didn’t see this being addressed anywhere, and the PC+Dragon Watch seems completely oblivious to the fact that he/she has been going through hell and back just like any minion would do for its dragon. So what do you guys think? Even if Aurene is ‘good’, is that even good to us? Are we becoming what we seek to destroy?

Well then that comes to four possible outcomes:
1) Aurene turns out good and the pc accepts her eventually corrupted champion (most likely).
2) Aurene turns out evil and the pc never realizes that they are controlled and just do her bidding, eventually killing all the other dragons, destroy anyone in theyr way, no matter if friend or foe and stay loyal to Aurene.
3) Aurene turns out evil and the pc eventually realizes it.. accepts it as the lesser evil or goes insane from the mind control.
4) Aurene gets randomly killed like our dear mentors and cause riot in the community.

I hope for 2 or 3. The game needs a bit darker touch and this could be a perfect plot change, with not even the player realizing it/ beigh completely fine with it/ knowing but having no control or any way to change it, it could give the story the depth it needs.

Rognik.2579:

Maybe we can have humans call out “By the Six” instead? Semantically, it’s identical to “by the gods”, but has a lot more flavour to it.

I am glad that you understand what i mean!
That sounds a bit better, i believe that one was used already, but its still nicer than just hearing repetitive omg omg omg everywhere the pc goes.
Whatever they say, let it not be always calling out the same thing the same way over and over again.

Vyrulisse.1246:

My take on the matter is that you’re “The Boss” and you should start putting your foot down a lot more than you do.

Why is every other character allowed to “speak their mind” and “do whatever they want” besides us? We constantly are undermined by these useless characters and do nothing about it.

We (the player character) are no longer wide-eyed heroes in training. We are hardened veterans who is responsible for killing TWO Elder Dragons already. A lot more respect from these people is deserved.

At this point Rytlock is the only one that speaks to you as an equal and like an adult.

I agree completely, i find it stupid how even Taimi gets to push you around and send you on errands for her.. Who is the guildmaster now?

I would be glad if we for once werent manipulated or led by everyone again.
Sure, we have to do the hearts etc, but it could be implemented like in HOT where you told others what to do and then went to do the hardest thing yourself.
HoT made you feel like you were truly a commander.
Now you are just a pawn again, even through you are suppoused to be the leader of the best dragon killing guild ever.

Id be happy with pc as Aurenes slave- uh i mean champion, but beigh pushed around by majory, caithe or even taimi? Not cool.

I see that i mustve not explained myself clearly.

I have nothing against the lines themselves, it just gets old when the character keeps repeating very similar sentences no matter for what and where they were made.

While playing the other races you get many different responces to random occurences in Current ev. or in the new map, some sarcastic ones, some truly suprised.. but most of the human responces are “gods!…” Its not about the content itself, its just that the lines are very repetitive.
If it was at least “by dwayna” and then somewhere else “by grenth” it would be better.

(I have nothing against any type of religion as long as it doesnt hurt others, and its even more fine that gw1/2 had its own)

It feels like human pc has just too many gods lines everywhere they lately go.
The living story itself is made to fit all the races. Which is more than fine, its even better since when you leave the story itself and go around the world you get different one liners from each race and gender which gives a bit of individuality to the character (for example char “i cant wait to tell my warband about this place” etc)
It was okay with humans too, they had some random god lines, but lately..

The thing is that in the ls3 and current events humans seem to have eighter exclusively or one god line for each reaction.
“By the gods!” (Executioner), “gods! What is that?” (Upon seeing the sloth), “may grenth give them peace” (ls3p1 in BF) and so on and so on.

While asura or charr react amusingly to some things, humans sound quite blank and plain always just talking about them.

Yes they are a race which is bound and led by the six gods, but it would be nice to get areas where they wont say such things and go with “you must be joking..” Or any other line except for “god gods..” and so on.

No idea. I forgot when they started appearing, was it before ls3 even came out or was it after it?
I hope that we will get some explanation, or it wont be just the commander going crazy..

Tachenon.5270:

Maybe the screams are moments when our characters realize they’re becoming their worst nightmare (dragon minions) and try to fight against it, only to discover that resistance is incapable of producing any result; ineffective; useless; not successful.

Would be cool too! But could be even better if th epc couldnt see themselves turning but everybody else would see the change and try to tell him/her but to no avail..

Also it would be a great way to end gw2 for a new start with gw3, how much more would we wnt to protect Aurene knowing our character from gw2 (who could get corrupted so much we couldnt tell the race and gender so no one would flip out about it not beight theyr commander)
Or if we fought aurene as the new evil main anthagonist of gw3 and had a final bossfight with our character from gw2? Both could definitely make it really interesting one day.

Oh my please make this the official ending. I would never stop playing this game.
Becoming Aurenes eternal dragon champion has been my dream since we were told that we are the eggs champion <3
Hoping for some “you are dragons champ we dont trust you” or any different reaction once the world spreads or the corruption becomes visible (after all the pc is already consuming massive amounts of bloodstone, unstable magic.. Had the egg inside him/her and is generally mind connected/controlled by Aurene)

It could eventually make the fact that we can ressurect as the pc at waypoints legit lorewise and storywise. (waypoints are bassicaly rides on ley line energy- dragons use line energy to preserve themselves- so could the champions.. Aka Teq, shatterer.. The Commander…)

Pc could accualy die in the story and rise again as the champion.(happened in gw1 so why not again)

(Also the random screams in ember bay and in bloodstone fen are brilliant, they add to the immersion, and its not just silence all the time now.
hope for some other voiced changed or random things-such as weird blurrs in the corner of the screen like with blind condition effect, hearing whispers from the dragon like sylvari with modremoth, as the dragon corruption spreads through the pcs body…)

Pyroen.2086:

I’m willing to be her Minion just let me Save HER!

Wholeheartly agree!
Let us become her minion or real corrupted champion, or stay just vision connected for all i care,, just let us have more emotional moments with her, protect her and kill off whoever who would try to kill her even if its braham or queen jennah.
Id stay in the instance and babysit her till the end of time and be the happiest player ever (oh and buy even more stuff from the gemstore, just to give something for the epicness to anet and because id want cool gear while i am at it and buy her gifts)

This is why id kill Caithe, it would accualy cause a whole mix of emotions for the whole community, both happy with revenge and sad.
I think Braham is a too early choice, given that for people who couldnt play ls1 he is still a nobody.
Id go far back for some of the base characters we met even before the ls1.
I agree on the point with the mentors, because killing them off all the way in hot? THAT would be just the worst thing ever.
They suprised me in the hearts and minds by bringing them back (or Trahearane, i liked that).. But t wasnt enough.
Trahearanes death was a bad hit for me, since i liked him, but as for the whole community, wed need to propably kill someone dear to us protecting someone else (for example protecting Aurene)
Fighting and killing Lazarus would be lame. He is too much of an early character to die.
Wholeheartly hope we wont get Aurenes death. Id let my characters die permanently for her :v

I believe anet is playing it safe by not wanting to anger players who dont care about the characters at all, but showing more emotions for at least the hatchling would make the story far deeper.

I just want to eighter get the aetherblade medium armor or Taimis armor.. I missed the sales and now that i play engi i regret it so much.
That beight said the new ls had many new weapon and armor skins, wonder when will they reach the gemstore

kitten i NEED these missions for the hatchling <3

Noo dont let her die! As Ryu said we were corrupted from the eternal alchemy already and if not we were most likely corrupted from it from the time it was inside us.
And if she turns out evil then by torment I NEED option to stay on her side and destroy anybody that tries to even get close to her!

Nooooooooooooooooo
Okay if that happens im never buying gems from with irl currency ever again, and i bought a lot.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Zania.8461:

So yeah, I’d give her a benefit of the doubt. Also note, she did try to go to the Pale Tree between Mordy’s death and Bloodstone Fen, looking for guidance. So it is highly unlikely she is the danger to PT, and she is obviously no longer quite as sure in her path as she was before.

I’m not convinced (see below). Going to the Pale Tree while she (the PT) is deathly ill doesn’t strike me as anything other than selfish — why isn’t she going to anyone else for guidance? If she’s repentant, if she knows now who her friends are, why isn’t she coming to us…before the events of Bloodstone Fen?

I’m glad she’s no longer sure about her path, but she’s still making the same decisions, unilaterally. She works under the assumption that she, and only she, can decide what’s best for Tyria.

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Zania.8461:

• No better or worse than Pale tree who knew she was a dragon minion from the start. If the Pale tree deemed it a secret worth keeping from every sylvari, who was Caithe to decide otherwise?

I don’t fault Caithe for not saying anything originally. I do fault her for her part in Wynne’s death to preserve the secret and again for not saying anything once we learned that Mordremoth was waking up and the Pact, including tons of Sylvari, were going to confront him. I hold her responsible (in a small part) for the loss of the pact fleet — something could have been done to mitigate the potential danger of sylvari being close to live ordinance on a dirigible.

Zania.8461:

• Once again, the Pale Tree had ample opportunity to warn Trahearne who she obviously cared for, but didn’t do so. Caithe has every reasonable doubt to not want to go over her Mother’s wishes.

The Pale Tree is not her Mother, just a spokesperson (spokesplant? spokestree?). Caithe supposedly has a mind of her own; she chose to keep the secret.

So yes, again, I see Caithe as being selfish and afraid for herself to not at least let her friend, and fellow Firstborn, know about the sylvari’s origin.

Zania.8461:

• Yes, everyone makes decisions on the spot. Having one part of you say ‘save the egg’ while the a dragon is pounding in your head telling you to submit CAN cloud one’s judgment. Even Canach is willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, and he is not known for his love for firstborn.

The point I’m trying to make is that Caithe makes bad decisions. She doesn’t admit to this and she doesn’t try to make better ones, not in any practical sense. Most importantly, she doesn’t work as a team with her teammates.

Zania.8461:

• She is definitely not very good in social setting. While well meaning, her attempt to bring Destiny’s Edge together in PS was a horrible failure – she can’t read people very well. And she does try to explain herself and is obviously feeling bad about the whole thing.

It’s sweet to think that it matters all that much that she feels bad. My point remains: she refuses to change her behavior. Junkies feel bad when they get caught stealing from their family, but if they don’t get help, they’ll end up doing it again and again.

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I don’t think Caithe is evil. I don’t think she’s an awful person. I do think she’s selfish and mentally unstable. I don’t trust her because she’s proven time & again that she will behave the same way again, despite her claims to apologize.

Canach changed and maybe Caithe can, too. But so far, there’s plenty of evidence that Canach is a work in progress and Caithe is still the same.

You. I like you. You make all the good points and even add up to them, well done.

Kalavier.1097:

“Yes, let’s go to somebody who has had some fears about his leadership against the dragons, and tell him he’s a dragon minion.”

All you say is theory. Suddenly withdrawing all sylvari from the Pact units would rare a ton of suspiscion. There is no promise we would’ve seen Tarir or Rata Novus in a vision, or that we’d reach either location with the help the grounded pact forces did provide in a sense.

Lives may be saved because of the fleet not going into the jungle, but many would be lost by the Mordrem charge (which is partly what the fleet bombarded), and the conflict between sylvari and other races.

Think about it, we got this big summit of all the races to fight against Mordremoth, then suddenly all the Sylvari pull out and retreat to the grove/surrounding areas without saying why to the other races. Trahearne and/or sylvari PC refuse to comment. That’s going to do lovely things for the whole “UNITY!” aspect.

Caithe made mistakes, but the hate is overdone and frankly more annoying and sad then spawning interesting discussions.

Had been afraid to lead. But was okay with commander at his side.
Makes mistakes? Like forshaking half the pact?
Also i said for example, there are many other things that couldve been done.

Look how easily, after all the death they have caused, after people finding out they “betrayed” the pact and killed theyr friends, fathers, mothers, siblings etc. They IMMEDIATELY no longer care and are just happy that modremoth is dead. Just look at how nicely the commander wrapped it up on the funeral.
They couldve done the same, knowing the risks of the sylvari. And with the order of whispers and support from the master of whispers, they could surely come up with something.
Modremoth would be dead and no one would care anymore. Just like it is done in the story.

If you are that annoyed with the hatred of Caithe, dont reply to players who want her dead in the first place and just avoid contact with them.
I will not back down from my opinion and neighter will you.

Kalavier.1097:

Krinstin.6287:

This i agree with completely. I cant believe the choices PC made in the last instance, particulary this one.
Why by dwayna does he suddedly trust a sylvari who stole the egg she knew the pc was suppoused to keep? Id keep her away from egg or dispose of her immediately upon meeting her in hot.
It makes the story so one dimensional too.. You never get any major betrayal from people you trust and then end them, it would be really LAME with Lazarus, given that he is once again a new character, but betrayal AND death of a long known one would make n impact- everybody excpects lazarus to betray us. Also to us personaly lazarus did nothing yet, but Caithe caused death of half the pact, Eir and Trahearane, close comrades of the pc.
But no, lets trust her again..

Why by dwayna is the PC completely trusting a known criminal who had already attempted to MURDER the PC, as well as causing severe damage to southsun and LA and making the entire area much more dangerous then it was?

Why would the PC trust somebody they had literally threatened not long ago with outright MURDER, simply for overhearing them talk about the egg?

^both are about Canach.

Caithe did not kill half the pact, Trahearne, or Eir. What do you think would’ve happen if just before they launched the fleet, Caithe and the commander comes back going “GUYS, SYLVARI ARE DRAGON MINIONS!” Yay for destroying the pact utterly from within mates.

Caithe actually did nothing besides you know, fleeing with the egg. She never showed hostility toward the commander, or threatened the egg.

Also, big thing that kittened me off with HoT. After Tarir’s instance, Marjory mentions that Caithe disappeared. The Commander mentions something about Caithe showing up again, in a neutral tone. NO MALICE. When Caithe shows up, the commander hates her with every fiber of her soul and literally tells Braham to murder Caithe if she even moves.

Why the hell did the commander suddenly develop such insane hatred? It’s out of place and unexplained.

If the commander was told FAR beforehand, like after ls1, he and Trahearane COULD come up with something.
Caithe KNEW scarlet knew about them beight modrem, you can see it in the TA aetherblade path and other places.

There was no need to tell everyone, only Trahearane and maybye your group.
Getting the sylvari back to the pale tree for protection, with the commanders of the attack leading the battle instead, and so on.
In the end we would just need to get to tarir (which would the egg show us in vision) and rata novus (could be found the same way) for info and hiding the egg.
The only problem would be getting into Modremoths mind, which could eighter be done by sylvari pc or again trahearane who would go with you.

Many lives would be saved. And before you say that the non-sylvari pc would go on murder spree- they have many or had many sylvari friends. And given how thepale tree works they could easily come to this idea.

Had we known this very important information, many lives would be saved.

And based on what you say- cannach had a reason to attack us aswell. He was the sole survivor of rata sum experimentation. No wonder hed hate other races and do crazy things as a revenge., but that is not my point, i am talking about caithe.

It would be nice to be able to reset them personaly at the vendor, or make it reset once a week or so.