Guild Wars 2

Justin ODell.9517:

That sucks!

We’re talking internally about how to better improve our handling of leavers, while also looking for technical problems that could be causing problems as well.

As for rewards and progression, hopefully we’ll have something to share soon.

Why do you need a 1 year to handle a situation like leavers. If it sucks how about you do something about it, Instead of stating the obvious.

I’m starting to wonder if you guys really play the kittening game.

@J sharp. This is one of the interviews you got me hyped to play gw2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9mARxB2aLM

You let me down

@J sharp

As you mentioned splitting skills is very costly. Not to sound like a kitten but i remember you mentioning splitting skills for pvp a year more ago in order to make pvp more competitive and that way it would not interfere with the pve crowd. If its to hard to do why even bother mentioning it and suckering so many pvpers into playing your “esport game”.

Point being you guys promised way to much before launch and got the pvp community riled up. You guys are now scrambling to pick up the slack. Is it to late? I think it is for the majority of pvpers. They have moved on. Most of us saw the lack of pvp attention from anet from the beginning and left.

1 year later and the pvp is no better off than it was at launch.

Now as for arenas or team deathmatch. I disagree with your out look on it wholeheartedly. TDM requires a lot of skill and instinct and also luck which i find fun as kitten because it gets your adrenaline going. Sitting on cap points in my opinion is boring as kitten. Being able to coordinate strategies on how to eliminate your opponents is much more fun and entertaining. You keep comparing tdm to fps which irritates me. One, because in fps shooters you die instantly(Headshot-Dead, Grenaded to face..dead etc…. TDM in gw2 will not be so easy when every class has a heal and the down state creates for some interesting situations and fights. Not the mention the different team combinations.

As far as mobas go i played all the big ones and i can tell you killing in those games is very important. Holding lanes is only good for early game situations. Once the game is rolling its full on pvp.Ganks early game in mobas are fun to watch because they are so hard to accomplish. Also, teamfights in mobas are more enjoyable to watch because gw2 balance is so kittenty everyone rolls the same traits and skills(DOTS). Mobas provide more variety(heroes,gods).Gw2 conquest in my opinion does not provide entertainment or the fun to watch factor. I think most players will agree and after seeing your top pvpers leave it should give you guys a good reason to rethink your strategy.

After a year and after hearing so many people complain on how we hate spvp conquest mode. you should consider re prioritizing on what you want and the players what they want. After waiting since 07 when the game was announced you guys advertised gw2 pvp beyond what was given to us at launch and even now… As a gw1 player i can sincerely say i am disappointed in the way you and the rest of anet has handled gw2 pvp. I enjoyed the combat thank you for that! I don’t like the direction you guys took pvp and the way you treat the pvp community.

Good luck on your progress on force feeding conquest down peoples throats instead of listening to what people actually want.

Yes my writing comprehension sucks. Hopefully i made my point good luck J Sharp.

Jesiah.2457:

Pride N Greed.8106:

Thanks for being honest. Coming from gw1 and waiting since 07 on how amazing the pvp was going to be. I am really disappointed by the lack of development anet has put towards pvp. I feel like I was lied too :*(

The game has almost been out 1 year officially and maybe 5-6 years of development and the pvp definitely does not reflect the refinement or quality imo. I am not a developer so maybe I shouldn’t judge. But I can see anets intention and its not pvp.

Regardless, from what you stated hiding ratings seems very fishy to me. Why hide them maybe there is none lol. They just said it to get people to lay off that subject.

Just because you aren’t a developer doesn’t take away from the fact that you can simply compare and contrast. And in your case, coming from GW1, you are more entitled to do so than myself. (But that sure doesn’t stop me! ;p)

I too feel like I’ve been lied to. I have little to no respect for Arenanet as I feel like I bought this game and invested a few months hardcoring this game on the premises that it was going to be a “PvP oriented game” and that they’re “Serious about making it esports quality” and whatnot else they spewed out about PvP. All these expectations set in place, all this hype, made me think that the PvP would receive a great deal of care and focus. Sadly, this is not the case, as you can plainly see that their front page is always always PvE centric and updates consistently, where as PvP does not receive anything near that kind of focus.

Truthfully I dropped off the face of the game for about 7 months and came back to almost exactly the same game, but with spectator mode. Then experienced the last two patches, and the most recent is just … sad … unless you’re a necro. Might be needless to say, but I’m planning on taking another couple months break from this game as I’m already bored stiff of their conquest mode and one additional map that I hadn’t played yet. That’s quite honestly a pathetic amount of production they’ve put into their “PvP oriented game”. Not to mention … I honestly feel like the damage a single player can dish out is just ridiculously high … I don’t appreciate any kind of fight, especially 1v1 situations, where it’s literally over in 2-3 seconds. :/

Also, I wouldn’t be looking forward to their newest map which will include little jump jet mechanics to ‘boost’ you up to platforms that are built in around the map. Players have reported that with high latency, those jump panel things are a nightmare. Even some of my friends who only chill at about 100-200 MS struggled with those or couldn’t get enough height to get out of the Dragon Ball starting room. And Arenanet expects this unpolished mechanic (like how much else of sPvP?) to actually be accepted and appreciated, of course without actually getting player feedback first. Because they obviously care, right?

Also, it’s still conquest mode. Woop-dee-doo … same game, different and infinitely more annoying map with a super laz0r cannon! Interesting … laz0r is apparently not misspelled in any way or form. I love these forums which are full of kittens, all day, every day.

Sad to hear buddy! I guess I will stay away from the game until they start taking pvp more serious. If they don’t than oh well anet sure suckered me this time around :P

P.S. I think its silly to hide the rating what reason do they have. I honestly think they don’t have one set and might just go off w-l ratio or something simple.

Jesiah.2457:

Pride N Greed.8106:

So can anyone fill me in on whats been going on gw2. Last time i seriously played the game was in december-january. I left due to the poor quality of pvp and lack of support from the devs to improve upon it. So here is a couple of questions if anyone can answer.

1. Has rankings been implemented or ratings(elo)? I don’t care if you played 10000x hour in the game. That does not gauge skill. It just shows me you have more free time to play than i do.

2. Is the meta still about holding points and not actually killing players? Just dot kitten up and leave people in the downed state?

3. Do warrior still suck some serious donkey kitten? It has been like that since launch.

4. Does a net still add more pve content than pvp? Pve is serious business after all.

5. How is the class balancing? Are they still on the snail pace of fixing classes?

Lastly, is it worth coming back at this point or is it just a waste of time and just wait till it becomes e-sport like they promised?

That is all thanks!

They’re still snail-paced with the PvP spectrum of this game because as you asked if they add more PvE content than PvP, that is still the truth of the matter. More PvE focus in their “PvP oriented game”. I’ve found Arenanet likes to say things to appease players, and … pretty much leave it at that … there’s really very little follow through with what they preach.

As far as ranking goes … from what I’ve read, and even personally witnessed, I will have to say that the hidden player ratings they use is a botched joke. Most likely the biggest contributing factor here is how absurdly stupid Arenanet was by merging Premade teams vs Solo queue pugs, why that was ever an idea baffles me (perhaps laziness / lack of … gasp … development!?). Many claim with the most recent patch it’s broken, and who knows, maybe it really is. But if you read the forums enough, or even dabble a little in it, I’m sure you’ll find it’s nothing but a frustrating waste of time and I won’t personally recommend it to you.

Thanks for being honest. Coming from gw1 and waiting since 07 on how amazing the pvp was going to be. I am really disappointed by the lack of development anet has put towards pvp. I feel like I was lied too :*(

The game has almost been out 1 year officially and maybe 5-6 years of development and the pvp definitely does not reflect the refinement or quality imo. I am not a developer so maybe I shouldn’t judge. But I can see anets intention and its not pvp.

Regardless, from what you stated hiding ratings seems very fishy to me. Why hide them maybe there is none lol. They just said it to get people to lay off that subject.

So can anyone fill me in on whats been going on gw2. Last time i seriously played the game was in december-january. I left due to the poor quality of pvp and lack of support from the devs to improve upon it. So here is a couple of questions if anyone can answer.

1. Has rankings been implemented or ratings(elo)? I don’t care if you played 10000x hour in the game. That does not gauge skill. It just shows me you have more free time to play than i do.

2. Is the meta still about holding points and not actually killing players? Just dot kitten up and leave people in the downed state?

3. Do warrior still suck some serious donkey kitten? It has been like that since launch.

4. Does a net still add more pve content than pvp? Pve is serious business after all.

5. How is the class balancing? Are they still on the snail pace of fixing classes?

Lastly, is it worth coming back at this point or is it just a waste of time and just wait till it becomes e-sport like they promised?

That is all thanks!

JonathanSharp.7094:

Zinwrath.2049:

JonathanSharp.7094:

Just wanted to say this was awesome! We’ve seen this and we think it’s pretty cool to see some of your opinions on the current state of the game. Thanks to everyone who participated!

Thanks for taking the time to show us you read it.

Hope it was helpful in some way.

Ya! It really was helpful. The survey mirrored a lot of things we’ve seen on the forums – but had it all in one spot.

It was also nice to see we have a good “read” on the playerbase – some of the things you guys rated as big issues are things we also consider to be our top priorities!

I like how he states the big issues you listed are items on their priority list. Last time i checked the new map was not on the top of the priority. Yet they added it. I remember Ladders and ratings being top priority. They keep adding things we don’t want and ignore class balance issues.

clay.7849:

Adris.1859:

Drop Conquest, bring back GvG, HA and TA.

Yes. This.

Than its a no on the tally :P

Up to date from all the above and no Sataarcoeny your vote does not count for five because their is no way tell what skill bracket your in with invisible ratings. Maybe they don’t exist anet just told us that so that we can leave them alone for a bit.(My theory)

Wanderer.5471:

Pride N Greed.8106:

Wanderer.5471:

i did social studies in uni – designing questionnaires etc, and i can feel my lecturers face-palming as they read your question….

Congratulations! I am glad you are putting your lectures at work playing GW2. Maybe you should consider changing your gw2 career. I am just a common gamer. Did not know you need to go to university or have a high degree of eductaion to post on the GW2 Forums. I will keep that in mind next time thanks!

ok sorry, that could have been more constructive – biggest issue is you’re asking for one answer but asking 3 distinct questions

Think for the most part people understand. It looks like conquest is the sole competitive mode for the foreseeable future. If it does become esport this is what anet wants us to play. Looks like the community is on the fence about it so far.

Wanderer.5471:

i did social studies in uni – designing questionnaires etc, and i can feel my lecturers face-palming as they read your question….

Congratulations! I am glad you are putting your lectures at work playing GW2. Maybe you should consider changing your gw2 career. I am just a common gamer. Did not know you need to go to university or have a high degree of eductaion to post on the GW2 Forums. I will keep that in mind next time thanks!

Sharpy.8397:

Yes… What e-sport has more than 1 mode? hummmmmmmmm none.

I am not implying their should be more than 1 mode for esport. My main question is if you want conquest the one you want to play competitively whether its esport or not.This is what Anet wants you to play.

Updated From above!!Did not count Rozbuska!Cant pick both:P

forrae.6708:

replace? no.
add more game types? yes. control points/conquest/whatever you want to call it is fun for a while, but it would be really nice to see some more variety. capture the flag, a mix of ctf with conquest points, deathmatch kind of arenas would all be welcome.

sPvP just needs more variety.

Im talking in the competitive nature to gauge your skill. Anet is going to stick with conquest.They can add everything you stated but it will be for “fun” no balance involved. I will tally you as “Yes” from what you stated.

BlueCheez.4873:

Also, I’d like to point out the BIAS in taking a survey on the sPvP forum.
You are going to have a much higher amount of players who like conquest as a gametype, as the majority of players who didn’t like it enough have already left the game and will not be on this forum.

To be honest its pretty close and if you read through most of them not everyone is content with Conquest. So i don’t think its biased at all imo.

Up to date from above! Did not count Michael and Archon’s vote they did not specify.Forsaker seemed to imply he did not agree with conquest so i tallied him no.

Michael.3279:

Your topic is too confusing to elicit a yes or no answer. Rewrite it. Again. It still comes off as “Do you want more game modes?” and not “Should conquest be the only competitive game mode?”

I want more game modes. More variety is better. This game is never ever going e-sport, so we might as well err on the side of what will be the most fun overall.

Guess what I am trying to ask the community, Is if you guys want Conquest as the game mode we should all be playing for competition.Or do you feel that it is not suited to fit the role and maybe another should replace it. It’s in the Competitive aspect(esport)if you even want to go as far as saying that. Is this what you want to gauge your skill?

Up to date from above!

UP to date from above and i fixed yours Ensoriki. It’s getting very interesting!

Up to date from all the above, I am just curious to see if the Spvp community is happy with the direction of the game.

TGSlasher.1458:

Hotjoin: no (its TDM zerg matches anyways so midas well have a TDM mode)

Tourneys: fence sitting, would like some other modes but they would need to be tested so that they aren’t chosen over conquest

Do you want Conquest as the main Meta? Did not really specify cant tally yours!

Phantom.4157:

I would enjoy seeing a MOBA style mode with arena nets own twist on it.

Did not answer my question… Do you want Conquest as the competitive game mode? Going to take that as a No!

Ironcloud.3892:

Assuming that by saying “META” you actually meant competitive gamemode

Yes, I feel that Conquest is adequate.

I am sorry had to reword it. Do you guys want Conquest as the Meta is what i was trying to get across. I will assume you still said yes so i will tally it up!

Since the last SOTG, I would like to know from the Community if you want Conquest as the sole competitive game mode.Do you guys feel there is another another game mode that should replace conquest?(Arena’s,TDM,Moba style etc..). Since Anet is inclined to focus on it.I would like to you what you guys think. A simple Yes or No answer will do.

I will tally up all the Yes and No’s over a period of time. Maybe a month or so?

Reason I am doing this survey is to find out if this is what the community wants as the Competitive Esport.

Yes-24(46%)
NO-28(54%)

P.S Only vote one please its hard to keep track of every single person’s name thanks!This post is strictly for Competitive game mode not for “fun” mode!

Cogbyrn.7283:

Jacobin.8509:

Go look on twitch at virtually any time, its really not that hard to figure out.

Compare a queue time in paid GW2 tournaments to queue times for arranged team matches in Smite.

Please provide me with your sources and data that show GW2 is closer to an esport than Smite is.

I didn’t imagine you’d cliche-forum-poster as hard as you just did. I’m flabbergasted. I didn’t even claim you were wrong, I was just looking for sources, and unsurprisingly, the population claim is purely anecdotal.

Why would you ask someone who never actually made a claim to prove something? That’s just babytown frolicks.

I didn’t want to interfere with this post but, some people are just arrogant. Cogbyrn the fact that Smite is holding a 100k$ tournament shows that the game is more popular to the pvp community. The Fact that its getting picked up as e sport means its closer than gw2 will most likely ever be.

The Fact that the SPVP population died 2 months after release. When you can hop into HoTM and count the people with your 2 hands shows you that Spvp is in a bad state. Stop being a fanboi and ignorant. If you like gw2 for what it is than by all means more power to you. Just don’t to try and pick on people….

Jacobin.8509:

Pride N Greed.8106:

I mean come on do you guys find this entertaining? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUB677OVIus

Nice find, marketing BS at its finest.

I assume to make that video they had to have the ability to make a custom match, and that isn’t even in the game 1.5 years later. And people wonder why Anet gets so much hate every time they copy and paste their list of promises.

Spvp draws like 150 consistent stream viewers and paid tournaments can barely even find 40 people per region to queue up.

Anet can’t even develop or give us a date on a blog post… good luck with that whole esport thing.

Yea i still wonder what they did in the time period of those videos as far as the pvp aspect. I bet they were working more on pve lmao! here is the 2nd part to the esl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB8z_2OJE70

THIS IS ANETS INTERVIEW ON GW2 PVP and being a ESPORT with J.Sharp. 1.5 years old and still no progress:(

They dug a hole so deep i dont think they can get out of it. I would like to be proven wrong tho!

P.S I think J-Sharp is playing that elementalist if I’m not mistaken :P

Ayraswag.3761:

Sad to say it but GW2 PvP died a long time ago. :S It’s a shame such a great game is being kitten on I don’t know what world the devs must be in to actually believe they could lead the community on for this long before the game is gone beyond the point of repair lol.

Yea Spvp Died instantly 2months after release.It’s a shame because i really like the game mechanics. Anet Keeps trying to shove conquest pvp down our throats. I don’t think they have what it takes to make this game a esport. They continue to try to buy time but most people have already lost its patience. They had a previous game to learn from yet they totally scrapped it. I don’t know what they were thinking. Some people try to forgive them because certain previous mmos didn’t have certain aspects of pvp implemented. Like wow for example which came out in 2004. What people don’t realize it’s 2013 gaming is more mainstream and when anet said they are trying to make this game a esport you better at least have the basics laid out……. Ladders and rankings at least.

Just because games before didn’t implement certain pvp features it doesn’t excuse anet. Imagine if at launch we had least ladders and rankings it would be a lot better of than what it is now. I just don’t get it….

I mean come on do you guys find this entertaining?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUB677OVIus

JonathanSharp.7094:

• Custom Arenas. This is still our top priority for the time being, as it allows the playerbase to do so many things. You guys can set maps up in the ways that you want, and it you can set up your own servers to allow you to practice with your friends. It also allows custom tournaments, etc. It just gives you guys a lot of control over the game, so we’re pushing hard on it.

• Ratings/matchmaking/leaderboards. These are being worked on. I’ll give more details on this later, but quickly: We will be using our MM (matchmaking) system to match teams up against one another. Each player has their own rating, and these ratings are used when 2 teams are fighting one another. MM obviously won’t be used in public matches (because people are jumping in/out all the time), and instead will be used in tournament formats. We will be using the MM system in the background as you play, and then we will be showing player ranks via our official leaderboards. These leaderboards will show things like player ranks, wins, losses, qualyfing points, etc.

• 1 team vs. 1 team. Like with other things, I was going to do a more robust blog on this later, but we are doing this. We will be testing out Temple of the Silent Storm for tournament rotation play by doing a 1 team vs. 1 team setup (as opposed to the 8 team setup we use in tournaments). This will mean only two teams play, one wins, one loses. It will cost less to enter these 1on1 matchups than tournaments, but rewards will also be scaled down. You won’t have to go multiple rounds, and once a match is over, both teams can jump right back into the pool. So overall, compared to tournaments, it will have less rewards, but it’s quicker to play and easier to get into/out of. We’ll be testing this system in the near future to see how it works, and if feedback is positive, we may look at trying to incorporate the 1on1 format into PvP. We know that free tournaments are going almost all the time, but we recognize that paid tournaments are having some issues right now, so have been listening to you and have made plans to improve the experience. You guys have made some great suggestions, and a lot of your ideas are in alignment with the things propounded in our internal meetings. So thank you for all your passion and suggestions!

That’s all I can say for now on that stuff for now. I’ll try to jump back in this thread during the week as time allows.

Cheers,

-J

This post is so vague and generalized.Too many questions!!

1. CUSTOM ARENA’S
With the custom arenas are we going to be able to set up tdm/GVG or actualy arenas? Will it still be based around the boring conquest that no one likes to do? Currently the meta is based around bunkers and roamers. It gives very little room for running different builds and by far the most annoying thing that keeps me from playing this game currently.

2.MM(Matchmaking) Will ranking apply to the custom arenas(if it has tdm/arena) because i do not want my ranking to only apply conquest type pvp.

3. Conclusion
If you plan on taking spvp serious you need to do something about people leaving games and not getting punished for it. Mobas have a good way of handling it maybe you should look into it. In this game you don’t even get a slap on wrist if you leave and it really is irritating doing 4v5 90% of the time. I can play 20 dota games and not have 1 person leave. This includes the practice games that don’t even rank you…..

Last but not least maybe you should do a poll and ask the community to vote on the current meta and ask if its healthy. I can personally say i nor my guild find conquest very fun at all and would like to see something different with rankings. Most of the spvp community have left and I’m sure its because of this as well. A poll would show if people actually like conquest or not. It might give you guys a direction on were you need to take pvp because currently it’s so bad….. Not trying to be mean but its the truth!

Valkyriez.6578:

Yeah, I didn’t like Forge but some people are sadaists and will love it. Half an hour ink knew it must be made by old school wow rogue glad players, it’s just a stunlock feet for stealth classes.

SMITE…… I have a beta key and have given it a go. The arena part sounds like it could be aight but I hate moba’s. too much PvE in the pvp if you I ow what I mean. Towers, creeps etc. I dislike that rubbish.

Straight up arena on it would be cool though.

The arena’s in that game is by far my favorite mode!! Give it a try!
As far as conquest if you have a good team there is more ganking than farming. That’s why i prefer smite over dota 2 and lol. I really do have fun!

You don’t need a beta key btw its open beta so anyone can download and play it!

Virgil Kemp.7056:

Cookie cutters and build options are a game balance issue. If certain cookie-cutter comps and builds dominate and there’s no competition, that’s on Arena Net to balance the game so that other classes/builds can compete in those same roles.

This game offers a much better framework for actual options in builds than most, but they obviously need significant balancing work. And it needs to be made clear that some trait lines are just there to troll new players, because ArenaNet has recently made clear they do not intend for all professions to be capable of all roles in the meta, no matter the build/weapons/utilities/gear.

It’s no player’s fault that the best option for a role is so undisputed, or that he’s playing well.

The issue of organized teams “farming” free tournaments is one of incentives, just as the lack of people PvPing is.

There need to be rewards for paids that those organized teams care about, and the rewards for frees need to become marginal for them after they’ve won tons of them and established they can do so pretty consistently. They need to be motivated to take the next step, and motivation for them to remain in frees needs to be reduced.

On the other end of the spectrum, PvP needs to be incentivized and made open to the largest possible player base. Teams that can win paids farming frees is what ruined WoW arena for the casual player: There was no bracket for casual players. You wouldn’t even get to a rating that stopped matching you against decently ranked opponents until you lost 50 games.

Nobody enjoyed that. Casuals stopped doing it entirely—not because they didn’t like arena pvp, but because the only arena pvp available was 95% opponents who facerolled them w/o any effort. Better teams need to be motivated to move on so casuals can have their fun.

As mentioned, there need need need to be more game modes. sPvP doesn’t have a real progression beyond bragging rights and sexy looking gear. We’re all doing it just for fun. It needs to be as fun as possible, regardless of whether all game modes offered ranked play now or ever.

As has been pointed out, there are all kinds of game modes people really, really enjoy (much more than conquest). People also enjoy variety and options. The game needs them.

As long as the meta of this game is based around conquest. Bunkers will always be the most important.Team will always need 1 or 2. The rest are nukers’s. With the way things are balanced atm only certain classes have 1 or 2 viable specs which is pretty depressing. We have to roll a certain class to compete go figure!

I have been searching for a game thats closer to a mmo than over the view moba and i have found just that.

Game is called: SMITE
3rd person style moba with arenas/conquest/ctf
It has rankings and ratings
quitters get punished hard
you can also report players who feed on purpose
has a much bigger pvp community than gw2
Youtube it!

You have heroes/gods just like the mobas. With mmo style camera angles. Games is very close to becoming a esport. Actually more so than gw2 will ever be imo. Best part is its free to download.

Similar to the way LoL is laid out.You can either keep playing the game to unlock the heroes with out $ or buy them your choice definitely recommend.

Btw i tried and have forge its bad. Smite is very polished for being in open beta. It’s a blast!

Fourth.1567:

The small team of Devs they have seem rather good at skill design, map design and combat mechanics. Balance could be better but is still decent, probably would be excellent if the current dev team could focus only on those areas.

However there isn’t anyone really responsible for community management for the pvp side of things or someone to make sure the key features match ALL player’s needs. Instead it seems like they just reallocate the devs to these areas periodically, which has just left a huge disconnect here as it doesn’t seem fall under the PvP devs spectrum of expertise. Mostly I see this as a resource allocation issue, the company is asking a lot from such a small team which has left a lot of holes when comparing what the team is capable of, and what is needed. I don’t really see this as a time issue either, just that a small team can’t be so diverse to provide excellent content in all areas.

Great post! I agree, I don’t forsee this game being a esport just because most of its resources are being used elsewhere. Pve is first in the list to do. Anets priorities are always going to be to them. I would like to be proven wrong but i played enough mmo’s were i just have to admit that it ain’t going to happen! Reason why so many people had high hopes i included gw1 was a excellent pvp mmo. It was known for pvp yet they claimed gw2 to be esport competitive. I see Smite becoming a esport before this game.

5+ years to make 4 maps based around conquest. Pretty sad…3 months after launch 75% or more of the spvp population disappears!!What does that tell you? Mmo’s always had to start out strong in order to sustain its lifecycle. I see this game falling of on the other end of the spectrum(PvP wise i could care less about pve and zerg wvw…)

You should delete your Top thread and paste it with the one that makes more sense pertaining to your topic. Or people will keep thinking you’re a scrub.

DaliIndica.9041:

In all my years of playing MMOs around the world, never in my life have I seen a game that failed on a level this severe. It is honestly looking like ANet are realising this and have attempted to re-market themselves as an all rounded MMO (RE; PVE content). In the beta, things were unbalanced. But that was ok as it was beta so you expect that to be the case. In fact, the point of beta is to iron those matters out.

Then it was released, and the balance went from a problem to just the way it was always going to be. Sure thieves can kitten you in seconds and you have very little in the way of options to counter it. Sure you could dodge, as long as you can see the stealthed thief attacking you, and even if you can dodge (its luck, dont pretend it isnt), he will continue to destroy you anyway. Your only real hope is going full defensive and hoping a teammate will come along to help you. Now as the problem goes from stupid to boring, and more and more thieves are in every single match, the game is going to the dogs.

I am sure some people will claim they can handle thieves with no issue whatsoever, in fact they are pro at handling thieves. I say they are talking crap. And to the “pro’s” who claim thieves are so rubbish they never see them at “high level”, well shut up because you do not know anything if you never play them. Also, I do hope your enjoying your nice long queue times, expect them to get worse, maybe a little better when the server merger kicks in :P

But down to the line go join any hotjoin or free tourny, notice the huge number of thieves as any proof you need that speaks to there overpowered nature. Yet ANet cannot do anything about it, because they failed designing the class, they failed to have any real communication with the community, they failed to monetize PVP (thus making it a dead end), they failed to balance thieves, they failed with the initiative system, and they failed with PVP.

Anyone else who feels the same, do like I have done and go play another game. One that actually has competent staff who understand when 50% of the player base is playing a single class, that perhaps you have a problem.

This thread should be renamed to"I hate THIEF’S". I am one of the people who knows this game will most likely not become a esport with the way the pvp is progressing. Your approach to the thread is false information. I read it all and the point i got from it you hate thief’s. What does that have to do with this game not being a esport. You should let the people who actually bring up valid balancing points and other features to make the game better. Than you blabbing about how much you hate thief’s. Please don’t make us look bad! Have a nice day!

gwawer.9805:

I really want my S PVP to be really smooth and fast and right now I play on a laptop Intel core two dual 2.2 GHz and a 9800 M GTS.The lowest I get is like 15 frames per second especially in the beginning of KHYLO and when there are a ton of’s people and spell effects on screen. But other than that it’s actually playable smooth like averaging 30 frames per second.

I don’t have a lot of money probably like 350 bucks and I’m looking to build a tower with the A-10 5800 K. Do any of you have this graphics and CPU combo or something similar and can vouch for your S PVP frame rates? I’m really looking for almost 100% 60 frames per second in S PVP maps.

Yes!That a10 5800k will be more than enough to play this game in spvp with decent settings make sure you get 2133 ram for it because those apus need them to perform better!

couple of vids of apus running gw2 and far cry3 and other games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEP7LKPIS_s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7OtYTXqcdI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyAyFpUZb8I

marshy.1387:

All you keyboard warriors furiously slamming your keyboard defending the kitten of you region are wasting your time. This game is terrible. There is no and will be no esport scene.

Also, quit comparing QPs all it shows is that you’re a massive loser and have enough time to play that much. Take a shower, get out of mom’s house and get a job.

PURE WIN!!! SO true!!!LMAO.

Were are this so called pro teams all i see in tourneys are grinders. Didn’t know that makes you pro. Just shows that you have nothing better to do :P

@mufa i agree with you for the most part. The thing we have to realize and i knew of it but i hate to admit it. Most Mmo’s dont cater to pvp and this is no exception. Pve was first on anets mind. Pvp is still in a beta phase you could say. Gw1 had by far the best pvp in a mmo. I had much higher standards for this game because well…. Gw1 was awesome!

Raytek.6193:

Every MMO forum is like this.

Actually not every mmo. Only mmo’s who failed to live up to its potential and guess what? For the most part those games are dead. Go figure!!

Most of the people complaining in this forums are pretty similar.
1. Rankings and ladders
2. Needs more game modes(TDM/Arenas being the most asked for)
3. Balancing needs to be done better

It’s 2013 gaming has changed. Its more mainstream. Yet this game is lacking the basics that keeps players from staying. They have the right to complain!

LoL @ people who take this game pvp serious. That’s why its a esport and there is a whole whooping of maybe 100 people at peak times in hotm, with all servers being combined*Rolls Eyes*.ROFL get real, We don’t even have proper rankings or ladders.

I will admit tho, this might actually get some people to actually want to pvp in the game even in its horrid state.

Overall the pvp is greater in wow compared to gw2. Even though i cannot stand that game anymore. PvP in GW1 is actually better than both of them put together. For those of you saying well gw2 came out in 2012 guess what gw1 came out in 2005. They had amazing pvp in that game and if they would of just brought over the same pvp foundations i guarantee you the mists would not be dead……. Anet has no excuse for the poor effort they put into pvp except that they like the pve carebears now.

Yasha.5963:

It surprises me how many complaints I read about spvp. As far as I can see the game pvp wise is already better than any thing else I have played, the main downside being that there is only one type of game mode.

What do you miss? do you miss farming pugs as premades? Do you miss pawning undergeared players? Do you miss all the botters? the need to gear grind? the stupid unkillable healers? The need to pve and level up before you can even play?

I’m not trying to be a kitten. These are serious questions that I always think of whenever I read a generic post like this about the spvp being kitten in gw2.

To me Anet have created almost the perfect platform for spvp and i hope its just a matter of time before we get more game modes built on that solid foundation.

The reason you see so many complaints about spvp is because its current state is terrible.
1. No rankings or ladders
2. Boring Conquest mode needs more
3. Serious class in balance only few classes with certain builds are useful because the game mode(conquest) requires you to spec into it if you want to win.
4. The fact it took them 5+ years and they only came up with 4 maps at launch kitten a lot of people off.
5. Did not follow the gw1 pvp model which was great. Gw1 was known for being great in pvp it totally dropped the ball on the this one.
6. It let its gw1 pvp’ers down including the new ones who were here to pvp.

I can go on but there really is no point. The prove is there go into the mists and count how many people are in it or count the servers that are being used. Yea its bad…..
I have never seen a steep decling in population in pvp after 3 months of release its been dead since late october/november.

I think its time and we embrace the carebear and acknowledge pvp was a afterthought in the game and it is not taken serious. You can see the frustration in people posts. They get worse with time. Time is the enemy of any mmo that has been the downfall of most of them overtime. It seems like anet is going down the same path. They let their gw1 pvp players down and all the ones they hyped into playing this one. I can honestly say this game will not be a esport in its current pace. No one likes Conquest mode and anet has been real slow to respond and adapt. I would like to be proven wrong but i think i will end up saying i told you so.

For the time being my guild and i have moved on to a more pvp oriented game and this is now on the back burner. If they pull a miracle i might consider coming back.

I personally don’t like down state myself. I think it has no place in spvp/tpvp it seems like a imitation and i hate to bring it up of last stand of cod series. If you are dead go down than take the rez timer. I notice a lot of tpvp teams don’t even finish the down players because they know the rez timers and wait to finish or wait till they capture a point.

With that being said its one of anets “major” features so it will stay.

Niptease.8971:

urinfamousr.7631:

its because the dev’s lack depth so its seen i the game they made…and since in their minds “its a great game” things dont change. on top of that they dont listen to their community who tell them from beta the issues they have with their games why? because in their minds “its a great game” so u see alot of things go unfixed…

The game will NEVER be massively altered to what we as a community would like it to be because 1 Anet doesnt listen to their customers. they already have our money so nothing we can do about that except NOT give them more when expansions come out.

If you feel u didnt get what you paid for dont give them more in hopes of getting what you wanted the first time you paid.

Well… it is a great game. Also, most of the people with issues are really bad and just whine. Honestly, I very rarely see any constructive criticism in these forums. Anet never lied to anyone, everyone knew what the game was going to be like. I don’t understand why people continue to play if they are so upset? I loled at “NEVER massively altered”. Why the kitten would anyone do that? Are you suggesting that ANet creates a new game? GREAT IDEA!!!

I love the PvP in Gw2. I don’t see myself leaving for another game anytime in the near future. Gw2 is not the problem, the kittenty players who play this game are.

Nice constructive criticism buddy you obviously trolled yourself there. People have come up with great posts. Funny part is the devs are currently adding feature to the game which we asked for by the way. You obviously don’t keep with what the devs are doing. Games are driven by the community if their is no one to play there game its dead plain and simple.

TwoBit.5903:

This thread is inane.

Event maps require far less playtesting and balancing than PvP maps as they’re made for a short term appeal rather than competitive longevity.

Furthermore, how do you know they allotted 5 years of development to PvP? I’m sure at least a year was devoted to preproduction, a few more to revisions after they had started working, and so forth. Take this as you will, but it took ANet until two months (I believe) before launch for them to finish their final profession.

1.A good amount of time went into making those event maps and to be honest its more balanced than spvp/tpvp. Point being they took the time to make them so we know they have the ability to do it. They dont want to invest time into pvp its pretty obvious.

2. I don’t know if they devoted 5 years strictly for pvp. What i meant was they had one of the longest development mmo’s i can think of. All the others that have launched before it had a much better pvp foundation than what we have. Its pretty disappointing considering the best they could come up with is 5 map and some of us been waiting since 07 seven and they still want more time

Saying they churned it out on the spot is a pretty sizable assumption. I wish they could have gotten more into PvP, but I’m sure they had planned the events and worked on them ahead of time.

I had a feeling you would be the first one to reply toss. Yea they plan ahead of time much better than they did in pvp. Still does not excuse them 5+ years of development for the poor state of what they call spvp. Now JS saying its going to take another 1 whole year or when its ready to be were they want it at. Sad excuse if you ask me.This guys had a template to use from gw1 that has so many different types of pvp. Which by the way they added in half that time

Food for thought! Anyone else notice how it took anet to make 5 maps in spvp 5+ years. Yet they can churn out holiday events mini games on the spot(Halloween mini games+ winters day). Not to mention that i see people having more fun and taking the events more serious than spvp and tpvp is pretty funny. Oh anet how have you lost your way:(

Jonathan Sharp said it might take a year to implement everything they want in pvp. I think they had plenty of time. Since 07 when i first heard about this game. 6+ years to add what was need from the beggining still bothers me.

To the op a quick life lesson. When a professional sports team(nba,nfl,mlb) or any other are playing bad. Who is the first guy to get fired?The coach!When a huge company is not doing good and are not hitting the projected marks.Who is the first guy to get fired?The CEO! Point being this is 100% Anet fault no matter what you day.

When the developers tells you pvp is not were they want it to be and it was kitten at launch because pve department was done.What makes you think people want to stick around and promote the game if its not even ready..Why waste rime when we dont have ladders or rankings.

Guild wars 1 PvP structure 10000000x better than gw2 with so many different game modes. Anet dropped the ball big time on pvp this time around. We got suckered into thinking it was more profound than we initially thought. I honestly think it might be to late to salvage pvp with so many few people left. The ones that have left were so infuriated by the lack of pvp they don’t want to come even if they fixed it. Anet could have done a much better job period!

PvP:GW1>WoW>Rift>Aion>Swtor>AoC>WaR>GW2 .
Its sad but true

Jsx.6057:

Pride N Greed.8106:

Picking on games simply because you don’t like them is not going to help the subject matter. What is at stake here is how poorly developed spvp/tpvp was launched. Having amazing gw1 pvp and none of it was implemented. Also, this game has been in development since 2007 and had plenty of time to lay a more solid foundation is what bothers me.

Picking on games? Where?
You brought up D3 as an example, not me. I just stated what happened to that game since launch. It still doesn’t have PvP. And that games been dead.

Fact of the matter is, the same thing would have happened to GW2 if they held all PvP out of the game. An entire player base would cease to exist. There would be a HELL of alot more people complaining about missing half the content out of an entire game as opposed to a proportionately smaller amount of players making generalized comments about how “bad” the system is.

tl;dr D3 failed and it’s better to QQ about broken PvP than no PvP at all.

I disagree a game is not dead until the servers shut down. D3 population is down but most of the the guilds i talk to and friends are waiting on pvp. They are considering making that game a esport. Point being, people new pvp was not ready. Majority of the people in Gw2 were expecting esport type game from all the talk that goes years back. After it launched, mists had tons of people only to see it diminish in less than 3 months to the point its almost extinct. This is the first mmo were i have seen a huge decline in the pvp population in that amount of time. Not even fail swtor had a huge fall that rapid.

I am hoping that they fix it sooner rather than later because people will just lose interest. History has shown that in past mmo’s.