Leeto is a godly player then too? He’s a double world champion running a class with a ton of carry potential too? Ax necro?
Who is Leeto and since when was Axe Necro a carry class :o
Its a necromancer that afk’s your ranked games or afk if he don’t like something and talk in map chat till end of games.
Necro takes skill especially if you play without support. You have to outplay 2-3-4 kitten zerg players all the time without damage avoidance and good disengage skills almost every game. What takes skill if surviving multiple enemy attacks on a class that don’t have 100% damage avoidance run away fast heal back oh kitten mechanic isn’t?
What about the classes that can top both kills, damage and healing meters. They arent brain dead for being able to do everything too good in 1 class?
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SoloQ leaderboard: Solo players have chance to top leaderboards your rating will still have rng but atleast everyone plays in rng without advantage which is more fair to everyone than duo/solo mixed together in a league.
TeamQ leaderboard: It would be very accurate at showing which team is the best.
No class stacking
This also solve the issue you default lose games with 2 random thieves etc.
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Agree full solo q and team q. No one cares about this inaccurate leaderboards its only accurate if you have a skilled duo partner but even at highest rating they are hacking their way to top abusing system and paying players to dc and lose game for their team and using other tricks to “top rating for ego”
Otherwise its an inaccurate garbage in solo/duo mix q a full solo player unable to reach highest levels so its garbage. Its made for peoples that have a skilled friend so they can farm together to top leaderboard, but its not for solo players really they cant compete with duo q’ers.
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“xy” necro afk the whole game from start to end. Today lost 13 points for winning match while also got desertion punishment. It’s a bug or something and now this guy afk and write kitten with other guy on map chat till end of game. Lost 16 points. + some 4v5 games for today.
pvp experience getting worse everyday sad
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I’ve send a ticket waiting for reply. Thanks.
None from the team was offline in this match.
Game history says: desertion.
Whats up with that? My team win 518-513
On necro i can fight scrappers okay. Yes they survive a lot. The fight takes very long but it feels like somewhat balanced as they don’t deal as high damage to me usually as warrior or guardians.
He probably plays necro, in that case warrior is terrible broken, way too high survivability with high damage and cc’s. Survivability Passive healing with damage avoidance skills. healing back for more than the damage you do with condis, so basicaly the warrior never dies in 1v1 to condi necro.
The problem is any noob can have success playing warrior because its that broken its just don’t take almost any skill. If experienced pvp player plays warrior and also use los, kite etc they are worse. Damage avoidance and passive healing keeps them alive like a boss and they are one of the classes that also sometimes require half the team to finally take down after 1min or 2min attacking they are still alive same like guardians for example. They survive like a boss while deal high damage and cc = broken for solo play, they are bunkers with high damage, sorry i can’t call it balanced especially when they are stacked is even more broken.
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How you counter dh’s and warriors atm? The answer is the same.
DH easy and a bit OP so yea its overplayed. A lot of games have atleast 3 dh’s sometimes 4 or even 5 dh.
Playing as necro on Foefire i have high win rate and i get better teammates usually and can have some teamplay feeling. Forest is about 50% kyhlo is a bit better than 50% while getting other maps i getting weak teammates. Really dont have good experience with other maps teammates die too fast or cant kill anyone/pressure enemy. usually not rare im the last man standing as necro.
I cant comment on power necro vid.
But yes you can end up with poor players against better players as rating is not equal personal skill its just numbers that can be farmed as duo q or full solo. So both teams having almost same rating doesn’t mean there are equal skilled players playing in that team.
Your rating = the perfomance of all teams you have played in.
This rating system could only work to show player skills for 1v1 leagues or 5v5 premade team leagues so atm its inaccurate and there are good and bad players in lower divisions and good and bad players also in higher divisions.
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Something very wrong with you if you think the current state is fine as it is for solo play.
Probably you like to die a lot or something. Not sure about what you think and why you are against a bit of buffs to not die a lot more than other classes or be able to disengage or kite multiple foes without die in seconds.
So i really cant understand you. but anyway i end the conversation here as i know already we can’t go from 1 to 2. It is like talking to a brick wall
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Thats the problem some people don’t understand maybe they are too young or something and just write some crap to disagree with a bit of buff to necro that we want so they are more viable to play solo like every other classes.
But still the reality is what Shaogin write here. Its the only class that require ele to work. You can play it full solo you can hard try like me but a lot of times it wont be fun to die and run back to get cc locked, pull spammed,knockback, immobilized and other crap and zerged instead of play the game.
Flames posters that disagree…. how ironical.
Think about it this way – ele also requires a team to work. So does a thief. Necro is not only class heavily dependent on the team comp.
Just ignore his postings, he complains on every thread cause he needs buffs himself.
You need an ignore Mr. Duo Q farmer talk again when you get somewhere without duo q you think too much about yourself even tough you are not that good and you have like 2000 rating.
So the young ones attacking me now how nice.
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Thats the problem some people don’t understand maybe they are too young or something and just write some crap to disagree with a bit of buff to necro that we want so they are more viable to play solo like every other classes.
But still the reality is what Shaogin write here. Its the only class that require ele to work. You can play it full solo you can hard try like me but a lot of times it wont be fun to die and run back to get cc locked, pull spammed,knockback, immobilized and other crap and zerged instead of play the game.
Thats because the teams having same RATING doesn’t mean the skill and teamplay skill level is also same. Rating is just numbers nothing more in this solo/duo q, Some players have same rating and still don’t know how to play to help the team. Some players same but also bad in 1v1’s and die fast in every teamfight.
A lot of luck factor which team got more skilled and smarter players with right comp even if the rating of the teams is the same.. it doesn’t count.
Players skill and teamplay skill in both teams as a whole and comp thats all that counts.
People using duo q to take advantage so a lot of bad players will have higher ratings than they should have and you will get matched with them if you have the same rating.
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yup either way when i walk onto a point as a necro whoever i target immedietly loses all their boons including resistance. (not a necro main just play it from time to time) i feel your pain when it comes to solo queing. but assuming necro did get buffed and had team support there would be no killing them. period. as of right now they can wipe teams out 1 by 1.
Well… not only did you not know how Spiteful Spirit works, but then you made it very clear that you got your almost non-existent experience as necro against the worst players in game.
Why you say none can kill necros if they get buffed and even if they have team support?
It won’t happen. Necro is already near immortal with ele support.
Against terrible opponents, yes.
Rolisteel is right. You are wrong.
It’s always the same, whenever there’s a discussion about necro balance, a ton of people who evidently don’t know anything about necro at all come flooding in and derail potentially constructive discussions with their absurd arguments from ignorance.
necro was the main component that won in the ESL games. alongside ele.just because you cant do well with the class doesnt mean its a trash class.
flow probably doing well enough on necromancer and have good understanding of the class. But it doesn’t mean the class don’t have issues with being very easy to shut down especially in solo q.
We are talking again about ESL. Can you guarantee me ESL teamplay skill level teams for my solo matches? I sometimes get teams where players don’t have any teamplay. Players don’t work together so im almost there just to die with necro not able to disengage any fights, not able to avoid damage and kite enemies like all other classes do. Not that rare in my matches 2-3 of my teammates chase a single thief,mesmer,druid engi war etc. for minutes without any success or maybe at the end they finally kill it while we lose cap points. ye now do this on necro. Oh you can’t you are dead.
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Just give necros a little support..like as much as bodyblock..and you get swamped by condis in no time, it doesn’t take an ele to support a necro 24/7..all you need is bare min support and an inch of common sense, then you realise how broken is condi spam atm..no buffs to condi specs, game already unbearable
this but it requires very good team and teamplay. if you don’t have those in solo q then we require some self defense and maybe a little bit of access to stability also in caster form.
Btw how do you spam condis if everyone is on you 24/7 zerging + using all cc they have on you immobilize you 24/7 etc.
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A lot of times i don’t have any support or don’t get any help and you talk about what if i have a skilled ele support. What if other damage avoidance spam and fast health regen kite classes have ele support?
If what i want is be OP then i could have rerolled DH/war/mes etc. long time ago already and kick most of the playerbase kitten instead of hard trying on necro without even using duo q once-
You don’t understand my viewpoint as probably you don’t spend most of your time playing necro solo q.
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Why you say none can kill necros if they get buffed and even if they have team support? They are the weakest/hardest class to play somewhat well in solo q.
It calls for buffs for solo play to be actually fun to play instead of running back from spawn to fights because you are 100% focused, most of the time none help you and you are happy if there are any teamplay in your solo teams. After being ressed you die instantly. etc.
We have Warriors Guardians and others we still can kill them just takes a lot more time to kill them than just kill a defenseless necro without much stability access. so that classes can waste the time of my team for their teams advantage because of too high survivability( damage avoidance spam ) crazy health regeneration/healing and kite so its either necro in need of buffs or others are in need of nerf hammers.
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If you want to kill/stomp mesmer player it’s the second that appears is the true mesmer.
Well for me only thing that matter is to make necro on same or almost same level for solo play just solve the issue with focus survivability so if we don’t have to rely on our allies that much then im fine.
I don’t want ask for OP stuff i just want to play the game also when matchmaking groups me with no so good team players instead of running back all the time from spawn because multiple foes attacks makes my class useless.
I was thinking about giving necro better stability access also in caster form not just shroud and some better life siphoning maybe solve the issues just fine. This and some mobility and we have a solo q ready necromancer.
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Why cant necro have both survivability and good damage? all of the current classes have better ways to survive focus and get back in fight fast while also having good burst damage.
You guys fear from necro having both ways to survive hard focus and chance to get back in fight and some decent damage while current classes have both worlds already.
Just look at Warrior and Guardian for example. both easy to play both very bunkerish high dps with some cc ( Team having this advantage, more chance to win the game ) So nerf their damage or nerf survivability then?
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We will see as i will play core nec in bronze very soon full solo q.
i will do it with core condi necro
I would love for these high-ranked “pros” who say they can “carry” to let their rating decay to bronze and fight their way back up.
I bet they don’t have the stomach for it.
Fight their way back up “full solo” fixed it for you :P
I decided to do an alt account and check the skill level of bronze players and if there are any that have understanding of the game and deserve to be higher than bronze. I really want to know whats going on.
Who cares about this inaccurate leaderboards all is about 2 good players farming wins in a league with a lot of full solo players that cant go much higher than like 1600-1800 full solo because of all duo q’rs and system abuser “pros”. and they are put together in the same leaderboard which is a big mistake to rate every full solo player below duo farmers.
They abuse system,queue dodge, play at 4am, abuse in game bugs, learn to pay.
I can’t take this leaderboard and competitive part of this game serious. Everyone just become crazy and do everything possible to be on top leaderboard ( not by skill and actually playing the game. )
1. I never go far at start it pointless to go far at start with necro as always a class take it that counter me or the fight would take too long so i get +1’ +2’d
2. i never afk
Oh and also attach a guide about defending if you have 2 cap points, i can’t count how many games i’ve lost we had 2 cap points and people never defend or rush to far after we having 2 cap points to die then we lose all cap points i die in a 1v2 or 1v3 only i trying to defend what we have after that everyone going alone and die in 1v3’s etc so i almost never can go in group as necro if everyone go alone back after respawn to die 1v3.
How do i carry this all as full solo player especially with necro?
We really need a guide or an easier game mode like capture the flag that everyone understand.
I feel myself punished with having to play a lot games where people don’t know how to play so what they do in my division or what im doing in that division in same team with those players?
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A lot of players don’t know there is life other than close mid deathmatch for 10mins.
They don’t understand you have to do something else if taking mid etc. doesn’t work but they just keep doing the same and call me or other players why the kitten i go far.
because if i don’t go far and keep doing what doesnt work with my terrible team or that deathmatch game most my teammates usually do at mid, that dont get you anywhere, we lose even more badly.
Do we have any pvp guides rotation guides on net that could be sticky or attach it into pvp mode or do both for even more success.
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If most of the time you have more good players on your team than enemies you will climb up if its 50-50 then stagnate if most of the time you have worse players on your team than enemies you will drop rating.
Its not about your skill. Its the teams you are playing with. ( What is the skill level of your team as a whole and are able for teamplay and can pressure enemies or die fast and cant pressure/focus enemies, no teamplay ) as both situation happens in my division.
Sometimes i play with peoples know how to play the game sometimes i play with peoples don’t know how to play in the same division so i also get totally owned on necro, sometimes enemy just better even if we have focus and some teamplay ( but thats how it should be we cant always win but atleast have a good fight and not having a feeling im played in team that dont know how to pvp ) so i stagnate in full solo q but will never duo up just for rating farming as atm your rating doesn’t worth kitten other than just ego boost if you are good player you are good player also in 1v1’s if lower division player beat you 1v1 as high rated player you kitten.
Full solo q: Less chance to have more good players and teamplay in your team. Less rating
Take advantage of duo q: Chance to always have 2 good players on a team. Better rating.
You can’t just tell good players climb up its just don’t work like this. Even if you play good your win rate/your rating is up to what you have in your team most of the time. I havent see anyone yet to climb up full solo from bronze to legendary or lets say gold to legendary without duo q or abusing system and other crap.
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ESL player never stuck in low division because they will use group q then to pull their mates out of kitten and/or boost their win ratio together, there is also win trading to boost leaderboard a bit etc. and things peoples abuse to look like competitive elites/pros on leaderboards or close to them.
How would it look like a player that everyone thinks is a god stuck in silver or gold etc?
For that anet always have some way for ESL players, group players to have higher win rate than full solo players.
Usually only full solo players like me stuck somewhere. Im still there after a lot of matches where i got placed after full solo placement matches. I win some with players that can play as a team and lose some with terrible teams that cant play the game have 0 teamplay 0focus ( its very punishing especially if playing a necro, others are still in better state as you can play a lot higher survivability characters which can cause a bit of advantage to your team even if they are all low in teamplay skill. ) etc so im stuck without duo q.
I don’t care if i lose a game in good fight but i care if i lose the game without being able to fight because teammates survivability skill is on a worse level or same level than me on necro when focused or my team can’t damage pressure enemies and im the top damage dealer of the team..
Btw. Ask this question again when we only have solo q and everyone goes with the same fair winning chance and no boosting with being able to 2 skilled players group together for a lot higher winning chance.
I also like to see who is the highest rated full solo player that havent played one match in grp.
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I think a lot of players don’t have fun in this game’s pvp some still stay some leave. The damage avoidance and mobility + troll builds are huge and not fun to play against. You play/trying to work hard pressing keys with no results and your skills are avoided most of the time by stupid damage avoiding mechanic.
My advice: Make Ranked Full Solo Q or make Ranked Premade Only so you can’t join ranked without a team so the bad players don’t get carried by premade farming soloers and leaderboards would be a lot more accurate on players on top are really skilled and not some bads got carried that you kill in 1v1 easy with gold/silver rating.
Full Solo Q: fair for everyone, all solo players. Great.
Premade 5Man vs 5Man Q: fair for everyone, everyone in premade team none have to play with solo players. Great.
5man+Solo Q: unfair to full solo players, worse players taking the spot of good full soloers, full soloer get worse W/L ratio. grouping giving a higher win chance advantage so leaderboards are far far from being accurate its only accurate to that take advantage of Premade group.
Solo/Duo Q: unfair to full solo players, worse players taking the spot of good full soloers, full soloer get worse W/L ratio grouping giving a higher win chance advantage so leaderboards are far far from being accurate its only accurate to that take advantage of Duo Q.
Example for current state:
PvP god ( For example its you )+ 4 random or PvP god ( you) + PvP god ( skilled friend) + 3 random = Which comp sounds better? Which comp will ez mode farm top leaderboards? thats the current mm balance and how accurate is the leaderboards and how much i care about leaderboards as full solo player. Im able to join solo but punished for not playing in Duo Q with someone that skilled if i want to see my name higher on leaderboards.
We can’t see who is the highest rated full solo player i want to see it as i want to know who are the best players without taking advantage of duo q and without lie.
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I recommend you join the damage avoidance class train and you win win. You don’t take damage while also have better damage, some mobility and cc, good heals, better elites etc than on necro.
No matter how you build your necro, you are just as good as your teammates let you be. if they are bad/no teamplay you are terrible bad as you have to fight alone when getting focused/try to run away from enemy zerg all the time. Which means you don’t have survivability while also not able to do any useful condi damage means you are useless in every game you not getting somewhat decent team.
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Without skilled support/right team comp this class become really weak it’s not any fun or worth to play if you don’t have skilled duo partnR.
The class is unbalanced for solo playing as it don’t have survivability like every other classes have those troll 100% damage avoidance builds with good damage and healing
I have to spend most of my time running away from enemy all the time trying to survive instead of playing and be able to fight and have fun.
Where is the skill play if peoples can make so bad troll builds they don’t even take damage from your attacks? Necro need to be fixed to be full solo q ready and damage avoidance spam fest also need to be stopped or fix it to all classes having acces to it
Other than that good luck hard trying on necro as a lonewolf.
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Not good idea, you want focus on stats because you are one of the players that focus and care too much on stats. Reward for winning game is more than enough. You play to win not for stats. Having top stats doesn’t mean you are better player than someone don’t have any stats or only 1 top stat etc so you shouldn’t be rewarded as maybe 0 or -only 1 top stat guy from your team could beat you in seconds in 1v1 he just don’t have top stats because enemy countered him etc.
You are winner you get reward you are loser you don’t get reward. It’s that simple.
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You feel it good especially if you are full solo player necro that never group up like me.
My advice is roll another class and wait if something fix happens to necro viability so its more viable for solo play so you also can have a bit of fun if you get bad team in solo q with 0 pvp skill or 0 teamplay skill. Maybe if you try other class for some weeks you never want to go back necro- A lot of players go for Guardian and Warrior etc for ez mode wins/kills and even if they die they can say: lol at you enemy atleast i’ve survived like a BOSS and wasted a lot of your time to have my team more chance to win the game.
I like my necro as i like the playstyle but it isn’t worth my time for pure solo q conquest and also there are classes i would be even better and more annoying to play against than on necro easier so i think i will retire it.
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Its not fun if you have terrible bad team and no teamplay. The class only works if your team can pressure enemies or help you sometimes otherwise its a useless kitten spending most of your time trying to run away from enemy zergs. ( and fail because of no damage avoidance skills and bad mobility if you want a bit better mobility you have to drop key utilities which makes you crap again for having a bit more mobility )
its the weak class of guild wars 2 that can’t survive good on it’s own as the more people attack you. but even in 1v1 some classes first dps rotation almost kill you, they have very high burst to attack a class without damage avoidance skills while also easy to kite reaper’s shroud. skilled pvp players play ping pong game and stunlock, interrupt cc spam game etc. with your poor necro. cant disengage and reset fights fast etc. and almost only good for boon corruption and thats it.
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People don’t like to lose so they will tell you their kitten. Especially the weakest player of your team do this sometimes. I like especially when there are no teamplay/support and multiple foes on me all the time as i play a necro then some random guy start the blame war call me terrible that i could kill in 1v1 with 1 hand in seconds.
They just need someone to blame for their own weakness. Block them all
Its a team game but if you play full solo there are a lot of players play it brainless lone wolf don’t care about anyone only themselves and 1v1’s and trying to farm necros. This really can hurt players gaming experience. some games feel like im playing in team with easy difficulty bots thats just move everywhere where they arent useful
The problem is a lot of players don’t have teamplay skill or very low teamplay skill. They just roll most OP classes with high damage avoidance and healing/regeneration +high burst and thats it they maybe can win 1v1 with op duelist class but it don’t improve their teamplay skill.
Both are easy to play both kinda OP for solo/duo q and 1v1’s. some classes don’t even have chance or if they make just one mistake they are dead. They survive good also multiple players attacks because of high damage avoidance, high healing/health regeneration they also have high burst and very good cc. So they are the best choice if you like to survive a lot while also kill most players ez mode. For solo q they are very good choice as a lot of games there arent any teamplay so you can kill a lot players in 1v1’s or shut down necros in 1v1’s especially if you see none from their team care to help them then you can do the same whole game as you make one player useless.
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But why would the system put all the bad players in the same team and all the good in the other for hundreds and thousands of games? I mean, according to you, the system can’t even know who is good and who is bad. You are basically saying, matchmaking doesn’t exist and never existed, because it is all rng. But if its all rng, it will be the same for all players in the long run. Because rng doesn’t give any advantages or disadvantages to anybody.
The system can’t judge who is good and who is bad, it’s not designed for that. It’s designed to judge am entire team so it would work great for full premades, but for individuals it is crap.
+1 this
It really works like this sometimes i get a pug team i can teamplay with and win or atleast have a good balanced match. Have teamplay, have focus etc.
While other games i don’t have any teamplay feeling like im playing with newbies in the same rating. 0 teamplay, 0 focus, 0 damage, die in 3-4sec.