Good against bad players, bad against high mmr good players. 1v1’s are hard for you already against most classes and your 1v1’s also will get +1 +2’d a lot while you also have to face the everyone focus necro thing.
so no matter where you position every enemy is in your face at higher mmr almost every match.
especially the classes that can do high burst to necro, some of them going for you thinking oh im going to kill this pve mob it will be like a free kill. they are so confident because of the burst they class able to do and the survivability they have.
I want to play 1v1 duels so i need the best possible builds for 1v1 i prefer condi builds but im open to power builds too. Also is it possible to create a build that good warriors can’t faceroll kill in 5-8seconds while they don’t take any damage from your condis and shroud skills?
Every class OP only thing i don’t see is someone saying necros OP.
I don’t have problems with eles.
Necro nerfed? are you joking right?
First show me how you deal in 1v1 with any other classes that skilled legend players play. Some of them killing every necro in 5-8 sec without losing any health or you just can’t kill it with your condi as they outlast your condi damage easy mode. Its balanced for peoples not playing necromancer
I do this always the b version, but a lot of times its just not enough as your team mates also cant kill anyone while 2-3 killing you outside of points and they still think necro is the bad player that cant do kitten alone.
Its really up to who you are grouped with. If you get people that knows teamplay you have good games if you get solo heroes that attack everything and dont care about anyone as their class have better zerg sustain and never help then you have bad games.
4v5
Disconnects. Im also getting dc’s
AFK at spawn
Leavers
Random guy blame Team
Random guy blame Players
Players that thinks score means how good someone is.
Squishy pug team comps vs unkillable high boon spam burst pug teams. where i again will listen to someone random blaming team and players.
If im on necro and enemy team hard focusing me ( every high burst class goes on me till i die ) the whole game and none ever help me, getting random blame how much i suck that i can’t survive a whole zerg on me doesn’t matter where i stand decent players will come for me. A necro in 1v1 league got killed by warrior in about 6-7seconds so i don’t know what those players think, my character should become godmode and survive 2-3v1’s while also kill them all? And no im not running into 3v1s its the enemy that makes it 3v1 when they see me and teammates just let me die in that enemy focus fighting with someone else or something like that.
I give you my tons of health for blocks, evades, 100% damage mitigation invus, stealth, instant teleports etc. Health means almost nothing in this game. Damage avoiding skills and mobility + health regen wins the game.
You can do so much damage and CC especially to necro that will eat all crap you drop on him as your char in this game don’t become immune after getting too much CC.
You are also talking about necros having 50% crit in shroud. And? Which you cant really use against decent enemies. In a lot of matches i can’t use shroud to do damage just to soak up damage. Shroud form gets outbursted in seconds,or enemy porting like crazy that you can’t hit them or just kiting you or cc you or kite + cc so shroud skills can’t hurt them. Your best bursting shroud combo can be interrupted easily etc.
I’ve noticed the more better players and hard dps going on from the enemy team the more useless shroud becomes it can become as useless that it doesn’t even worth to take soul reaping line that makes shroud stronger.
The Necromancer (expecially the Reaper specializzation) is one fo the best classes of the game, with the best possible build variations, good weapons to use, the best amount of different kind of Utility skills used of all classes, the best class as offensive supporter, an amazing elite specializzation with strong skills that works good with a large amount of core traits and a new weapon that grant to it a really huge direct damage dps.
All that on the paper…
When you put the necromancer/reaper in the game, every other class can outplay it in almost every situation in survavibility, damage and support (both offensive and defensive). In PvE don’t bring nothing that other classes can’t do (and frequently they do it better), it’s dps is lower than all the other classes, it’s survavibility is granted only from the shroud and don’t scale if there’s more and more enemies or the enemy is stronger than common ones, the gameplay is boring and the few things that is asked to do are really boring (spam epidemic in raid, spam Gragedigger when the boss is under 50%hp hopint to don’t miss a hit to don’t lose all the dps or spam boon corruptions in spvp and then just get ressed by an engi).
The necromancer had to be the worst class to find on your way in the darkness of the night, the one no one want to cross in while fighting in pvp, the one that in pve ignore all his allies and burst down the enemy with huge damage and no regrets.
The big B*st*rd that no one want to face because he can bow your soul to his will and make of you a sandwith and eat you with an hand bound to his back, but at the same time unable to play with his team because simply don’t want to make others steal his glory, for that reason use only brainless minions as allies and care about no others than himself.
That’s a necromancer. That’s what we want.
The warlock of gw2 sounds great! But yes people should fear or try to avoid necromancers because of some dark things.. As in current game mode enemies attacking you like you are a pve mob in soloq.
You have chance against other classes on necro you just have to play “perfect” skill level than you can kill “avarage” or "good " skill level players of other classes in 1v1. If you don’t like hard mode where you really have to play good and think a lot to try compensate for the class lack of mobility and not the best defensive skills than necromancer is not for you.
War,DH, Druid all good for the easiest to control easy mode or lazy players.
I’d like to see that you beat best thieves in conquest match and without golem. Condi build?
1v1 when you are ready to get attacked or thief catch you in conquest match are not same situations. First situation easier, second harder if we are talking about thieves.
After i created this topic i’ve started to win games with 501-80 scores.
Maybe it’s not that bad, but i felt those games most of the time is something like. put 1 or 2 pvp players in group with players that are not skilled in pvp and lets make them play against a team that full of decent pvp players. One of the matches i played like god on necro win an 1v3 (started with 1v2 then +1 come) cap mid things like that still wasn’t enough to win game. I could do it as i was angry for getting peoples that don’t able to do anything useful
People dc’s or leave, afk at spawn worst pvp experience of any MMO pvp atm ive ever played. I can’t have fun in solo pvp as peoples nowadays in this games pvp are so brainless. Have to change the game mode for solo players as its impossible to play for points with weak and totally unintelligent players.
Probably because the week is ending. I also get peoples that are not attacking enemy necros, just let them freecast even when they are focus targeted they ignore it and keep attacking the most tanky guy ever. Usually i target for my pug as they also have the worst sense to select the right focus target. They are doing the same tactic, going to the same place that doesn’t work for 10mins don’t even try to do something to split enemy team. Not rotating. Can’t kill anyone or even put pressure on them.
Still you don’t see other things just ESL. Solo necro and ESL necro are two different things.
ESL necro have better survivability, better damage as the team makes it stronger, buff it, keeps it alive. Solo necro have lot worse survivability and as usually none cares about him have to do most things on his own. sometimes i don’t even get a swiftness in soloq. In soloq everyone kill necros because they are the easiest to kill. Easy tactic and works. But fix it for you:They are easiest kills and dangerous if left free casting, but who leaves them free casting? as they are easiest kills so they die and dead dps can’t be dangerous.
Most of the classes are dangerous if left free casting. Necros are not focused because they are that dangerous. They are focused because they are vulnerable to cc’s and easy to kill with little focus. Only defenses 2 dodges, 33% damage reduction and some plus health “IF” they have some Life Force that also degenerating + you tanking incoming damage so enemy almost instantly can get you out of shroud. In those matches shroud skills are completely useless it only works to soak up some of the incoming damage. Other than that you can have Flesh Worm after port almost any class can catch you that is not necromancer if they really want to zerg you.
That +560 toughness can’t save you if you are focus target while also condi’s eats you with wander. Also i feel this build kinda weak without OP teammates that hard pressure enemy team and babysitting you. Dunno how this build in tpvp. but in solo q this build don’t survive for long. You call it tanky every necro build can be tanky if your team heals you, care about you and support you. Id say its not tanky and one of the easiest to zerg down you just have to get real pvp players in enemy team.
If i were enemy team i would cc, pulls, knockback + stunlock + interrupt so you can’t control your necro while zerg that build down in about 6sec. You have some on hit condi transfer if they are avoided by players condis eats you in seconds.
I don’t really care about 1v1 but i care about being able to survive more than 3-6sec and be able to control my character for more than 3-6sec / fight lol.
Thats all i care about.
Your fights last 3-6sec you have no chance to fight back or do any pressure they own you without losing much or any hp.
What i dont understand is why its so hard to make it able to stay alive longer at high level when it also barely do any damage.
You do like 300-500k damage / match ( up to how aggressive mode they zerg you ) against higher level players, others do 700-800k and more.
5+4 which also gets interrupted when you start to cast it lol easy to teleport out of it, run away from it, avoid it with block, evade, invu 100% mitigation. dodges. Some people talk here about necromancers like we are talking about solo Amber Emerald Sapphire level where everyone eats necromancers all damage. We are talking about facing solo high end pvpers.
Silv knows what i talking about so probably he isn’t an amber sapphire level necro.
Don’t lie please, you target necromancers because they are the easiest to shut down with cc’s and easiest to kill. Everyone with brain know that other than that all is crap talking and lies. Putting marks or even using all your skills that barely do any damage as the pvp community play and stack classes that are full of block,evade,miss,invu 100% damage mitigation, stealth, dodge + condi clear and high mobility.
Yes but they run necro only for boon corrupt other than that i think its almost useless or well necro need a very coordinated support team to be able to do something useful. But we are not playing in top teams. right?
Im talking about uncoordinated pug gaming + facing class stacking. so whats with us solo players? Because its another story. Uncoordinated randoms running around, doing a lot of mistakes, dont care about you, let you die, let you get ganked a lot of pugs can’t play in team with necro and then necro suffer + also have to read sometimes some noname on chat blame you that you can’t survive ganker groups on your own.
Some matches enemy hard focusing you so you don’t survive for long got 800k-1m inc damage at the end of match.
So i only was able to feed enemy melee classes.
My team didn’t have pressure and enemy team had full pressure on me so i just drop like a pve mob for 10mins.
Everything fails we are just a boon corrupt bot and target dummy and a big target to pull, knockback,immobilize and other cc’s stunlock, kite and zerg to hell for half decent players.
Thats what i got bored of. I liked it but people avoid my condi damage easy mode + clear it or blocking, evade, miss, dodge, invu all the time than heal back to full. Using all my damage skills and they are on full hp while i almost die to their first burst rotation. Also all of the elite skills feel kinda weak compared to other classes.
They don’t feel elite in current state of the game. It’s almost just like a way for stability and thats it, all of them are very easy to counter/avoid and not that powerful.
So we again there “if you have stronger team thats already winning the game” than necro and necro elites can be useful to farm enemies even more.
If you don’t have strong team than all elites are close to useless.
For example if a mesmer getting ganked he can moa 1 so its minus 1 player pressure on him good for defense or if he wants to avoid a 1v1 and go help somewhere instead. Or use it to focus moa target down good for offense too. Thats what i call something like elite.
Necro got killed in 2-3sec in 1v1 league but people on this forum say random stuff how can a focused necro die in 2-3sec on conquest? Because its die even in 1v1 in 2-3 sec lol. So i dont know what kind of game those guys play.
Guardian and Warrior faceroll this game hard. I know game not balanced for 1v1’s but come on my favourite class dying to anyone half decent in 2-3sec because the burst damage rotation is impossible to survive? And also if a class bad in 1v1 its bad for 5v5 too because if its bad in 1v1 it means its the worst to survive 5v5. Dead dps = doing 0 dps = bad dps. People on tourney’s only take it for boon corrupt bot other than that its a useless class. Its a joke and really need to look at. This game will become my second game and i will keep eye on classes and when i feel its more balanced i will spend more time on it again. The game has potential but i think the balance atm is one of the worse ive ever played. Some peoples and also sometimes me don’t even have chance to fight back the burst rotation of some classes is that bad. It’s either people eat you alive in 3sec or avoid all your damage and kill you that way.
Why don’t you play necro if you think they are broken and OP. Most people play whats broken and OP. Necro is far away from that. How can you call a class broken and OP that can’t survive a fight/run away from fight without team support?
This patch accomplished nothing. Really feels like they dont do anything for months and in the last days increase and decrease some stats that can be done within a few days. Just edit skills stats from x to y.
I getting more and more bored of this games pvp. Its so boring to fight everyone plays the easy mode passive defense classes and block, evade,miss, invulnerability all the time + insane amount of cc and immobilize for days. pvp is not fun at all here anymore.
Problem is a lot of classes can do too much of everything. Is np if you attack 1 guy and you see block, evade, miss, invu, but when you attack everyone and always getting the same message its just too much and annoying in every match. Also AoE’s should be restricted to 1-2 classes only so they can feel special. Like only necromancer can do a lot of good AoE’s because he dies fast to focus so it compensate. but in current state other classes with insane passive survivability+burst+aoe out perfomancing the light armor crap casters. Maybe only i think like this but i think i have some understanding of pvp in games.
Most of the pvp population plays melee classes after that druids mesmers and eles. If you want to pvp conquest and you go solo i don’t recommend necromancer to you. Belive me i main it. Its the worst class ever made if you grouped with not good pug teams and you get a lot of bad pugs.
Sorry but i don’t see a power house as a solo player in a class that can be downed in 2sec. I played some MMORPGS but none had that big difference in classes ability to survive that most classes can survive and only one can die in 2-3seconds. others takes a lot of time and pressure with all that blocks,evades,miss,dodges, invulnerability,ports. 1 skill can hit me for 11++ k and thats just 1 player so yeah about 2-3sec and downstate is real. Everyone knows its just not ideal for pvp especially for the pvp with pugs. As dead dps can’t dps. It’s just a boon corrupting bot and that too is only if your team babysitting you. Necro class nothing really more than that as focused necro -> dies + can’t do dps when focused.
You just think that problem is not class balance because you don’t play necromancer most of the time solo. Everyone that plays necromancer with pugs knows that problem is class balance. How you call it if every other class can survive focus and avoid damage and kite better if not class unbalance?
conquest solo pvp in this game is brainless zerg ,boon spamm, enemy not just can kill my class in 2sec but also keeping me perma cc’d interrupted can’t control the character for 10sec or something like that. While all i see when trying to fight back block block, miss, evade, invulnerable + dodges. Almost all of my attack skill are on cd and enemies health pool is full. best pvp experience ever.
I have quite an equal share between Mesmer, Thief, Necro, Ranger and Guard…guess which class is the only one I’m still playing these days.
Necro and Thief became almost entirely obsolete because you are either dead all the time or other classes do a better job.
Mesmer also became pretty weak, barely has an impact in soloq and I personally hate playing it on condition.
Interesting as i think both mesmer and thief have insane survivability and burst damage, because of high mobility and can avoid a lot of damage almost all necro damage + condi clear and kiting. While necro have to eat all inc damage and thats why you have no chance if its 1v1 and they have decent skill. They can avoid damage, you can’t.
Necromancer because its underpowered for solo play and im already bored with it. Best class for feeding the enemy. Go there spam mark die. joke solo class. So yeah i don’t really enjoy necro anymore. If i find a game with a balanced dark magic class i will go there.
Necro is in good state for pvp just have bad survivability for solo play. I don’t know what they think. How to enjoy the class if its weak if you are getting weak solo pug? You just cant survive in a bad team. I don’t know why they don’t give us a way to survive better that zerg burst if you are getting enemies that is going for you first till the match end.
Never died that much before and that fast in other games before this and i’ve played dark magic classes too in most games and i was able to run away or atleast fight back a lot better than here even if getting zerged. Atleast i’d like to be able to run away without die most of the time. but seems like i just dreaming.
Not just completely useless but still die fast. Half the damage and stun cc lock going nowadays would be more than enough for a necro.
Most of the conquest pvp population plays melee classes so warriors,dhs,revs,thieves, in your face 24/7. i face atleast 3 melee based classes almost every match.
Ive tried a lot of builds and the best way is go with as much damage as possible, going defensive on necro not saving you from death.
You survive 1sec more and doing 0 damage or you go there spam marks die but atleast doing some damage.
Both bad but i think second option is the “better” bad as our class is not good at outlasting so going defensive fails. its go full dps and hope enemy dies before you.
The topic have 5515 views already which also shows the problem with the class is that bad. It’s a interesting topic for players because the post and most of the replies are true.
If you ever win easy 1v5 with reaper than your enemies was true low skills or they played without hands. Reaper never was that strong. Remember necro always had problems beating for example: experienced mesmers in 1v1’s. without golem no chance which was bad for teamplay so you had to decide teamplay or having a chance to win 1v1. So i don’t know what easy 1v5 you are talking about really.
I’d say don’t play necromancer solo. If you don’t have team with decent players you only will suffer with it and useless overall. Getting instant killed and perma stun cc’d by atleast 3 peoples for 10mins. Every game have atleast 3 melee classes thats in your face the whole game. Best thing you can do in bad team in solo q is try to def close or try to get far and avoid bigger teamfights. I know necro teamfighter, but in solo q, when you notice they focus you like hell, avoid big fights as none will help you! Always go to where no big fights going as solo peoples dont save you or care about you usually and enemy melee’s will attack you, you lose all control of your character because of perma cc, and they send you back to spawn almost instant. Some matches you are getting so hard focused that overall damage you do is about 200-300k. ( Because all of them have shields,blocks and full damage mitigation + heal till you die ) while incoming damage to you is 800k. Thats 3-4 times more damage incoming than what you are able to do to them if they really want to farm you.
Just disable class stacking problem solved. With class stacking the MM system can create some very unfair and annoying solo matches. Just for example: stacked DH’s trap everything + cc the hell out of you. You lose all control of your character and eat the burst.
That youtube videos are joke right? All are low skilled players eating power necros damage and running away from necro. That necro in first video is good for a fast free kill.
For the wvw video. Hollts is good necro and you can see it on his movement and knows when what to do, but he only do good videos because his enemies are lows and Hollts is exp vet. So when you see the video the best moments recorded by Hollts you may think necro kitten powerful class. But if you send any decent player of other classes on him with high survivability/mobility+burst damage he dies too like everyone. So no more 1v3 and 1v2. As you can’t even win most 1v1’s at higher levels. There is no way you survive any class that have high survivability+burst damage on necro on your own.
We are just asking for become viable solo pvp class on our own and become better duelists. Imagine the whine if they remove blocks invu evade shields and 100% damage mitigations teleports stealth from other classes just to make them feel a bit what solo necro players feel. After that they still have higher burst damage as we have slow condis. Let them only have swiftness and one skill that do the same to get out of fight as death charge and a 33% damage mitigation. Thats it survive with it.
Soul reaping spec almost doesn’t even worth to take. The more enemy on the screen the less useful it become. You can’t use Shroud skills potential against good players with high burst. As even with taking vital persistence they are almost instantly hit you out of shroud which means the grand master traits are also useless then. Its nice against lower skilled teams and can help in 1v1’s but thats it.
If necromancer able to do today 1+ million damage he got babysitted by teammates while enemy team was also terrible bad for leaving you free casting skills. Why did you cut enemy team scores and damage received? Power necro also not viable against good players but you are good for a free kill.
