Scoring 0 is pretty much possible if one team is getting totally rekt. The enemies focus target will not make much score if get any. Just dont check scoreboard check end game statisctic instead.
Being the top scoreboard doesnt mean that you was more useful winning the game than a player with 0 and other low scores. That low score guys actually can be the heart of the team. The problem with people they care too much about score instead of the game and going on score hunting mode instead of win the game modes so after the game ends and lost, our score hero can blame every player for the lose. while he was just something like a useless point leecher hero. On losing match when getting stomped i cant blame a guy that cant make any score or low score because everywhere he goes he getting outnumbered rekt.
The only way a skill based system would work is if everyone had to 1v1 in the league. As 5v5 shows skill of the team, not an individual. Though you can see peoples skill to a degree, but not there true skill.
This! and people have to understand this
5v5 = Skill of the team
1v1 or sometimes being able to solve 1v2 situations = This is your skill.
S1 was also bad a lot of no skill legendary players running around. Same like this season will be have title and division. premade grind the season but skill is nowhere and its easy to see on their 1v1 perfomance if they suck and doesn’t deserve to be Legend.
Reaper balanced but scrapper and rev even more “balanced” or lets just call it overtuned. then we have a support ele that takes some peoples and some time to kill a skilled one. which is more points to the team that have a skilled ele = one of the biggest advantage.
I want skill based and stop put me in team with peoples that don’t know the basic of GW2 pvp and are really close to useless as a teamplayer they cant be called teamplayers as a lot of them helps enemy team instead of being any useful.
ive said it in other post. they knockback my downed enemy stability stomp.
they come to stomp enemies that ive killed alone! and defended our only cap point. as they like to have there hands in there kitten usually instead of help when required so they also help enemies to respawn faster and dont let me bleed out them and stupid things like that and the system put that team against a team that knows.
They are close to Ruby or Ruby players and don’t know the basic of pvp! the current system is a joke.
Very bad system as people that dont know basic of pvp was able to made it to Sapphire, Ruby i having to play with them → no progress. → no fun → matches are not fun when you don’t see any teamplay from the people you have to play with → losing interest of pvp in this game → quit game → premade teams cry for theres none solo players left that can feed them to legendary etc and q times 2 hours long if not more. The problem is game rewards your teams perfomance so if some player got their legend title with premades that doesn’t mean there isn’t a lot better solo player that cant progress because he don’t have another 4 skilled peoples with them to faceroll that some matches to diamond/legend. Im only just a Ruby player and im beating a lot of Legend players even some of the skilled ones with really hard and competitive 1v1 fight. not just the ones that have their division and title with about low-mid, mid skill and premade power. Diamond and Legendary division should mean peoples with that div titles are high skilled imo. not just some guy that i kill as a Ruby player while eating a sandwich!!!
+1 for this topic. basic pvp things like that should be in game for a read- make every players know how to play the pvp game and not to be totally useless while experienced peoples feel like they are playing alone or duo with some beginner bots in a team against a full 5 player team.
Afk happens when match’s stop being competitive and they see people doing the same stupid things over and over. If this is Anets idea of a ladder tournament then they need to add a surrender option so people can stop wasting their time in losing match’s.
i +1 this. you are the man.
Anet have to fix very unbalanced non competitive games or give surrender option. Its not fun to be on match where only you or maybe one more doing everything but the others of your team doing low damage, cant cc, don’t stomp people that i killed when required while 2-3 players ganking me and none helps. they knockback downed people i started to stomp. they want to kill ele first that trolling 2-3 player while having like full health, your teams ele dies in 2sec, i defend close and kill attackers team only come to to stomp the guy ive killed so it can respawn as fast as possible while that guy could help others not just come to stomp my downed nmy players. if they dont come i just let it bleed out, they don’t help res teammates for faster res + cc’s to help res, they keep doing same thing that doesn’t work. die at mid in 2 sec. everyone at close etc.
This is the worst unbalanced low skilled system ever to date. putting experienced good players in team that dont know the basic pvp things against a team that knows.
Really give surrender option or fix matchmaking some how to get same skilled teammates not that bad players i was talking about.
As any of you can see i can come up with good statistic about my gameplay not just doing kitten from my mouth. Its easy to see im usually man of the match that doing everything for a team and still getting defeat most of the time. That bad system made me to carry almost every game with lower skilled players against better teams to make lower skilled peoples have a chance to climb ladder. I see the evil here.
There are too many premades with optimized classes, If you don’t have the same equilibrium dps/sustain in Your team, Your game is lost from beginning.
A simple Duo queue with a support class and a strong dueler for sides has a huge impact if you don’t have the same skill/communication/builds on the other side
There is huge difference between a duo queue and solo queue, is not the same thing at all, If you have 2 expert player on one side on ts.
So yes, solo player should be more “protected”
+1 for "protect " solo players and/or another ranked league where you only can join solo!
So the perfomance of my solo teams. Ruined my whole pvp experience and will lose almost every game good to know. Never played before in stupid system like this. My pugs perfomance decides me i will lose most of my games lol
Thats a fail system it shouldn’t put an experienced skilled player in a team with bad players against a good enemy team. but it works like this atm. So if you are on losing streak you will play even more worse players and will stuck with there only playing with low skill that dont know much about real gameplay
The skill as a player. How many of 1v1s 1v2 you win usually, do you know how and where to rotate,do you defend points? do you help your team to defend when its required? if you have 2 points close mid captured you go far for other point to zerg respawn? help your allies survive as much as possible? do you know who the best to focus target or you focus target the one that is hardest to kill ( like my solo teams doing usually ) than lost the match. do you know when to go for objectives? You should be able to climb ladder in emerald. You cant lose tiers.
Man, when people dont even understand Mesmer downed skill or anything else conquest related, I get twice the points of my teammates in some games, top defender and capper etc, something is wrong! The mmr is completely busted wide open! I palyed with Saphire and Ruby guys one game, and they were way worse! (guilkdies) How cant I even leave emerald in soloq!!! So frustrating since you cant carry a whole team on your back…
How skilled are you in GW2? I mean your pvp skill. Low, Low-Mid- Mid – Mid-High – High?
Try to carry with a necromancer then. 3-4 guys always on you and none try to help no heal. nothing. they send you back to respawn in 6-10sec for 10mins even less if you low on life force thats the real fun man
My tip is one weak team where 1 or 2 players are good others are useless actually have to fight against a lot better skilled players where all 4-5of them are decent players. One team have players that have teamplay, know who to focus. defend points, how to cc, how to dps, how to heal support teammates,res teammates, can stomp!! etc other just some low that dying in some sec at mid or someone dying at far alone. If i kill someone in fights most of the time none there to stomp it while enemy ganking me 1v2 1v3 etc.
It got to the point i wanted to go back play FPS or MOBA ( There are the players not that terrible most of them actually can play okay. only that MOBA community is the worst ever. ) instead while i find or waiting for another MMORPG. I’ve always been a mid-high/high skilled player in most games i’ve played. My progress stop here my teammates just run like brainless chicken and doing the same thing that doesnt work for 10mins wasting my time. They don’t have brain power if something doesn’t work then CHANGE tactic,rotate as team that may work better. I just can’t accept it if this continues.
Its not that they can’t. Because the used to. Its more we just don’t have the population to do it.
Then people will leave the game as solo Ruby games are everything but not fun most of the time. Its not the i win or lose the matches. Its the one sided matchups. One team have teamplay (usually enemy team for me) other team don’t have teamplay and their skill level map understanding, awarness, rotating, defending,roaming is about as good as Amber division but they are Close to Ruby or Ruby already! they are so bad they want to focus the hardest to kill targets while necros and guards freecasting at enemy team and all that stupid thing and they are same Division as me. thats what i call joke. it makes me so unhappy to have to play with low skill teammates in same Division against a whole team close to same skilled or same skilled as me. That system works against me and usually only put me against players that all can play while i get some eles that dies in 2sec and same for others rare when i get teamplayer teammates, very rare.
The problem is if you are a solo player. you can’t progress after ruby. So everyone even lower skiller players than you will get Diamond and Legendary Div while you as a skilled people just sit in Ruby because the system punish you for being a solo player.
So lets see what is the current system:
1. If you are solo player system punishing you .
2. It gives premades free wins/solo player farming is going on hard.
3. Worse players than you get Diamond and Legendary Div and title with premades. While you if you are better player only have max. Ruby Division.
What we need? Reward solo players and/or i want back solo arena. Make Divisions for solo players too and lets see what they can do on their own with pug teams!! not abusing team q to get high div and farm soloers. Lets see who is the good player then where the premade ladder climbing is disabled.
I also was thinking about the system should make sure to both teams have the same amount of bunker/support and dps to make it sure your conquest game will be balanced and more competitive.
Too bad this season is again not about skill. Its a lets grind to highest division with premade elite groups and let solo players suffer it doesn’t matter if solo player is not skilled or high skilled both will suffer if they really play solo. This is where the pvp system fails in this game, the pvp system doesn’t allow you to get highest levels without premade and that losing streaks and a beginner bot like teammates at Ruby Division against skilled enemy team.. If it continues i think a lot of player will stop PvP soon or even leave GW2.
Yes topic is only about 100% solo q atm at Ruby Division.
Most of the time i’m facing enemy teams where all players atleast 2 times more skilled and better in teamfights it’s not really fun anymore seeing my team drops like beginner bots in other games. They can’t focus anyone down. i see they attack everything but doesn’t even attacking the target when i use focus target. they trying to kill bunker ele that trolls them while a free casting necro and others kill the whole team. The enemy team always can focus target me as im play necro. Usually i don’t get any help from my team to survive. While most of the matches i play enemy team necros are helped, healed, rezbot them, So i’ve made that topic
It got to the point most of the time i know i will lose the match after checking skill of my teammates at start. I’m not bad player as i win most of 1v1’s and sometimes 1v2’s. usually win all 1v1’s against enemy necros. very rare when i get same skilled necro for 1v1. Can rotate and know which target should be focused down.
Why i facing most of the time lot better enemy teamplayers ( as i can call them teamplayers because they really do teamplay ) /players than my team? Another notice: My teams usually slow as hell when its required to help defend. Enemy team is there in 2sec if they need help.
Like it was suggested in S1 just separate soloQ and teamQ like it was previously. 5 man premade will only face other 5 man premade. Surw, queue time will go up but atleast players won’t waste time going against premades who are using ccoms…I’d rather have a longer queue time and go into a match knowing I have 50% chance of winning than waiting for a short queue and facing a well organize premade team.
also atleast if there is a solo q and team q, then we know who are the best that able to get high division and get title without premade so who is the best on his own.
A 50/50 system isn’t fair. Once you make it to your mmr level then you will almost always win one then lose one. This makes it impossible to advance your pip count. This is the problem with decent to medicare players. They reach their mmr level faster then the higher tiers. Removing pip loss will probably make it too easy, but making it so you can lose one match before a pip loss.
There needs to be some cushioning so that people don’t have to win 4 or 5 matches in row to progress. My experience has been that I can usually win 2 in a row, very rarely 3. Then I lose 3 or more in a row putting me back where I started.
Your train of logic assumes that EVERY player is SUPPOSED to make it to legendary, they arnt, if you reach the point where you are consistently at a 50/50 win/lose ratio, then you have reached the division your SUPPOSED to be at currently.
This IS NOT a reward track, its a seperation of players into different divisions based on their skill. You arnt entitled to legendary division just because you work hard at it, you have to both work hard at it AND be successful
Yeah “skill”, sure, because Reaper requires tons of skill in order to make progress…
If it doesn’t require skill show me your Dia/Legend reaper that you made 100% solo.
You cant do nothing about it if you are unlucky and getting players lower skilled than the enemy or enemy have better comp. Im on losing streak again and feel my matches like a single player game where im fighting a big horde everytime 1v2 or 1v3 while some computer AI dies in seconds at mid and far split or far attack and wipe alone at start and they keep doing and hard trying what doesn’t work. and dont listen when i try to help them do logical movements.
I can hold points 1v2 win every 1v1 and my team is still getting steamrolled something is wrong.
As you said, the problem is when you can win a 1v1 or even hold a 1v2, but your team is so weak that the enemy kill them all and after that kitten you in a 1v3 fight.
But if we look at necro than we should look at. Scrapper and Revenant as its too rewarding. Bunker ele tanking 2-3 bad players too rewarding the list goes on.
That necro stacking teams are so weak and not optimal you just need condi remove and some tanky classes. bunker ele, rev,scrapper etc some of them need to have on your team. 4 necro very squishy and not ideal team most of the time, especially to comps with cc, condi removal,healing and survivability
Btw you had better setup so you probably won that match
They are somewhere in Ruby and Diamond easily because they farm people with premades for easy wins and fastest way to get legendary. If you are true solo player and you got all the way to somewhere in ruby im sure you are atleast have to be med-high/high skilled atm. so you are probably not a bad player then. When good players leave ruby it may become a division for med skilled peoples. I said that you are about med-high/high skilled because ruby atm full with players in that skill range.
If you want to win as many games as possible. Play bunker ele, scrapper or rev this will increase your win rate. Necromancer weak if you solo q and get bad team by matchmaking.
There are very good and dangerous players out there that playing warrior or thief at sapphire/ruby. It’s a lot about if someone skilled or don’t have skill for the class/game.
I did it solo to Sapphire tier2. Can’t get to t3 atm. Most of the time grouped with players don’t know teamplay, focus, how to survive better to not die in 2sec even with tanky classes. Matchmaking put me most of the time in group with people that are not teamplayers against peoples that are teamplayers. So something is wrong. But rarely i get a team of teamplayers. Today i only had 1 match that was fun because both teams were really good teamplayers and the game actually was very exciting with that good teamplay from both sides. After that game a bad losing streak started that just didn’t stop.
They don’t have to but still its not fair against solo players. It ruins solo players experience. They also want to be at top with “solo play” ( i want too ) How can you tell who is the top 10 or top 20 solo players when most people at top got it with premade party farming soloer teams and some pve premades. Probably there are some unknown names that are just as good as the top tier players if not better. I like to know that things who is the top 10-20 solo necro,reve,ele,engi maybe after that its easier to make new good pvp teams as you know the players that got there alone.
Btw today i got grouped with 1 Amber in my team, Im in Sapphire. How is that possible?
Maybe it works in low Division but in higher level with this you make your team have disadvantage they can free cap close and if you are really unlucky someone with high mobility will steal your beast too.
Very top players should have matches depending on luck too if they played solo. They can be any pro they will lose all games too like an avarage player if you group them up with 3-4 other players that are bad. but they play in group with other high skill player and thats why they have better win rate than a good only solo player and they are out of the hell divisions with group q-ing. Solo players suffer, most matches are very one sided and not fun. Its always one team have players that all know teamplay and focus target. The other one is not focusing, let teammates just die, doesn’t even try to help. everyone attack other players while the other team kill everyone 3-4-5vs1.
Matchmaking today: I’ve won most matches i’ve played got to Sapphire t2 and most of the time getting people that somewhat useful, trying to do best even if not winning a fight, but not getting totally rekt in second. helpful or skilled. Btw i liked the system in that popular MOBA where you can rate players. Give them honored, friendly and they get rewarded. People that afking, give up the match or a beginner bot is even more useful can be dishonored by other players. so if dishonored player get many dishonor from players he drop division or some other penality. Lets say the dishonor vote from player are only enabled from Sapphire Division. Honored and friendly enabled in all Divisions.
Why play necromancer if you nerf it again? Weakest target to lockdown. Surviving burst or 1v2, 1v3 situations bad, self healing meh, mobility meh.. engi and reve far superior to necro. It’s your team if you can’t deal with a necromancer in seconds. I always tell my team to kill necros and focus but rare when they listen. So there are enemy necro/necros with full health free casting and putting condition and corrupt boons on everyone and teammates keep not focusing necro and die because they are low. they focus target tanky ele, reve, engi etc. Dealing with necromancer a l2p issue.
if Anet wanted big majority of the games work as; good team vs noob team, yes, its working as intended.
I can +1 this atm. Solo matches are not fun because it’s really good team vs weak team. Matches are very one sided and not fun. Even when losing i can’t say it was a good fight anyway because teammates did nothing useful. I just getting rekt 1v2 1v3 trying to def. teammates dont help. they run away because the find out they go mid or etc. and i can do that 1v2 1v3. Another example: We getting far 2v2 or 2v3 then the guy decides to leave me there alone enemy respawn im instant downstate. okay back to spawn. thats about far. really worth to take it. logic.
