My feedback is about how feedback actually works.
It’s great you guys ask for feedback. I really do appreciate that. However if you hang out in the forums long enough you start to feel that the feedback isn’t going anywhere. This needs to be more of an ongoing and reciprocal conversation. Out of our feedback I would expect a post addressed to the player base saying " We heard you on the following points, we will be looking into them as resources allow. [followed by a list of points]." Then perhaps later or with the same post: “Points 3,7,12, and 15 are going to be a higher priority for us. Points 5,8, and 9 may not be something that is possible. Again this information is tentative and subject to change.”
I understand the player base takes things literally so you have to be carful what you say. But it feels like we have all these threads about good feedback and very little comes out of them. I’m not sure what this disconnect is but it has become apparent to anyone that frequents the forums.
If you read this I genuinely thank you for your time and thank you for making a great game. I hope we can work together to keep it that way.
I understand your thoughts, and perhaps we will be able to do that for some topics in the future; I agree it would be great! But what’s important to note is that we all — as forum members — have a certain level of visibility into our how feedback is handled simply by our participation here on the forums and our involvement in the game.
Here’s what I mean: I’ve seen the request for “gliding in central Tyria” hundreds of times on the forums. I’ve heard it in the game a hundred times, too! So when I see it come to the game, as a player and a forum member I know that ArenaNet listened to player/forum member feedback. I don’t need someone to come and tell me that, I can actually see it in the update notes and in the game.
So while I’m not discounting — believe me, I would be absolutely the last person to discount the potential or the value of further communication; trust me on that!
— I like to think of an old expression that my granny said, “The proof is in the pudding.” In this case, take that odd expression to mean that we, as players and forum members, can see through actual game development that the feedback that we give is being read, reviewed, analyzed, and often implemented!
Again I do love communication, and I positively adore when devs post, or when they ask me to post on their or their team’s behalf. But I’m also aware that communication comes through many forms, including that demonstration through actual game changes. And because of that, I like the idea of productive threads like this, which you should know will be shared with every single member of the ArenaNet team as highly-suggested reading.
Anyway, I hope that makes sense. It’s just a personal opinion, but I like to think it has a certain logic.
no,
you are just dodging the real problem that many are trying to “communicate” to your team, is that the communication tends to be one way and inconsistent. You guys choose WHEN to post or reply, with no priority on how trivial or important the topic is. Mentioning the “gliding central Tyria” is just a cop out way of showing you guys tackled a “low hanging fruit” request, while there are many, more serious issues that should’ve allocate more resources to address. Look at all the Anet post replies since HOT, why is the WvW sub forum lack any serious communication? When something that had a reply from an ANet team, it never was the most important issues that the WvW community wanted. THis is just one example, I am sure there are many that other’s can pointed out for other game mode in GW2.
Now, for the last time, I will bite on this feedback request thread, hopefully it’s nothing more than just a cover up to be able to show “see, we did ask for feedbacks” but ends up with no much replies afterward from the team.
Here’s my 2 main issues, 2 classes that got over nerfed:
Mesmer – please read this thread by Lord Helseth, he’s a pro player and your balance team “should” know his name:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/LordHelseth-on-post-Mesmer-nerfs/first#post5957099
Thief was buffed because ANet’s vision for the class is about damage. WHat about Mesmer and the Chronomancer elite spec? What’s ANet’s vision. Alacrity was sold to as what makes Chrono unique, now with the nerf that Elite spec is rather weak and somewhat meaningless. The best suggestion I’ve seen is allow the original alacrity duration to be applied to Mesmer self, but outgoing alacrity to other can be the nerfed duration.
Revenant – I feel like the class was overnerfed, on top of the massive bugs this class still has. I feel like the class was used as a marketing tool to sell HOT, now that has been accomplished, it’s time to pull the plug on the class. Why all the nerfs when the class still have tons of bugs, more so than other classes? I urge you to communicate with the balance team to check out sub forum, there are plenty to read there.
This is what Anet doesn’t want, they don’t want every single person playing this game to always shift to whats considered OP, they want this game to be as diverse as possible, although it may not always seem like it.
Here is where you are wrong. If Anet wanted to have such diversity, they wouldn’t overnerf and overbuff a couple of professions as they have been doing for a long time. If anet wanted to achieve the closest possible of diversity, they would work on balance to bring the most professions as possible to the meta, instead of only 3 or 4 out of 9.
They have been doing lazy patches trying to fix symptoms instead of the real problem. As long as they keep doing that, will keep destroying the diversity. It is way past time to the devs to sit down, learn how professions works, split pvp and pve and go review all the skills, traits, sigils, amulets, weapons from core to elite and bring an harmony and balance between them instead of silly fixes that only annoys players.
A good player who have the best game interest in mind, will drop any vendetta or silly biased hatred over a profession just because counters theirs and will claim for a balanced game where all or almost all professions are viable to play.
That’s what some has been doing, the overnerfs were unnecessary and poor handled. Instead of shaving the boon spam, they buff necros; bunker meta was boring, get rid of any single bunker amulet and buff damage from already high damage dealing professions. They announce the new diamond skin but “forgets” to include an important detail it only works when struck. People complain about the lack of viability of different builds, like in case bunker ele, they nerf bunker ele giving absolutely nothing to make up for it. They said the elite specs wouldn’t be stronger than the core but here we are. It is lazy, it is bad and it is making the credibility of this game go down the drain.
People don’t want to drop their professions because, in a certain way, anet said: let’s trash that profession now for, at least 4 months, make it hardly playable. We want things to be balanced and fair and be able to play with the professions we like, not what anet decided to overbuff for the time being to stay competitive.
I think you misunderstood the point i was trying to make. I DO believe that Anet is trying to make this game 100% balanced and have every profession have a 50% win chance against every other profession, however this is definitely not something that is easy to do.
Ultimately what I was trying to say here is that the community needs to stop focusing on what is considered “OP” or not and just be constructive with what can be done in the current state of the game.
I 100% agree with you
where were you in the bunker meta? The mesmers could’ve use your help to tell the community to stop focusing on what is considered “OP” or not and just be constructive with what can be done in the current (or previous in reference to the bunker meta) state of the game.
So because others have it worse, it should make what we got alright and we should lower our expectations of the game?
What a kitten logicNo, that’s not what I said at all.
But you demonstrate the problem really well, if unwittingly. People have issues distinguishing more than a binary state of content. Either you’re happy, or WTFANET"§$“§$XC”!X. There’s no in-between.
Yet actually, there’s a lot of granularity to issues in games, or even a lack of issues. If all we do is always yell at the top of our lungs – which we (as in, “we” the players) do – then ANet won’t actually know when something they did is worse than something else, as there’s no way to tell this apart.
Plus, as with most things, they get used to the effect. “Ignore the forums, people will cry anyhow” is a common thing said about games and especially about MMOs, after all.So yes, changes are bad. But they’re not bad enough to warrant the overdramatization of “gg, delete mesmer” or “mesmer RIP 2016” and so on. That’s pretty pointless, and only serves to … actually, doesn’t really do anything.
or players here could simply check mes history and see if it was out of meta for years .answer is yes .but as long as anet is doing all those stupid knee jerk “balance” .shouting loud or leaving game are actually helping little than thinking positive for no reasons .
Do you consider your idea of "overdramatization " is something else like the past facts?
also what’s bad enough for you ? since that mes is gutted entirely in pvp and also doing pathetic damage in pve ,having little for wvw group rather than veil bot ,all those are not bad enough for u ? how about thieves are hard counter entire mes class for 3.5 years and anet just made it even worse ? how about our illusions always die in aoe spam in pvp and its worse now since power creep and anet refused to fix it ,they were trying to help this with chrono line but heavy nerfed it to ground .
it has been more than 3 years whle mes takes more effort in pvp if not most but get least reward .the only really op specs we had were mantra build after trait patch for like 2 weeks ,bunker mes after hot for 3 months . any other classes have their op time longer than mes.
it’s not bad enough for u get ganked by a thief hopelessly in like 2 secs ? should it be in 1 sec so you can feel the truly ugly reality and how it is different from the "not so bad "patch
This.
Thank you for the balance patch job well done. It was needed in PvP as it was getting very stale will be nice to see how things change.
People called for changes and you turned the meta on its head.
hello, alt account from a thief main…