Guild Wars 2

There is not much of a problem if you play attacker. However, this game mode needs also people who defend the stuff, or all you have is a bunch of karmatrains flipping objectives everytime the timer runs out.

Play outside of the prime time, don’t change maps, stay in your part of the map, build siege weapons, refresh their timer, guard yaks, defend your camps instead of flipping them back and you may understand, that not only afk’ers are left behind by the new system. Basically, the least rewarding role in the least rewarding game mode was nerfed or at least made more difficult.

The outnumbered change, however, is fine.

Hot Boy.7138:

If the change goes into effect, I will have half as much uptime on vigor which means I can dodge only half as many times as I normally do.

Well, that is not correct. You still regenerate endurance without vigor, just slower.

If you have problems then you can use a sigil of energy to improve the rate at which you regenerate (It will maybe even be possible to use a sigil on each weapon set, the “patch notes” on dulfy’s are not completely clear about that).

This change is not a big thing at all.

aspirine.6852:

It happens to be that this AVA guild was the same one that tried to bug it’s way into woodhaven. But I suspect you will have quite the sarcastic reply to defend this.

There is no need to defend this. It’s a known bug that people get dragged through the doors of certain towers, woodhaven (the northwest tower on the blue bl) is among them. Last week that happened to a couple of Gandara players on our own borderland too. Their “small and dedicated group” outnumbered our defensive “blob” (which was not even there) 2:1 so i seriously doubt that it was intentional.

The difference is, that we don’t run to the forums to call every player a cheater who encounters a bug in this game.

PvE does not equal dungeons.

While it is not a build for any situation, it is still a decent bunker build and may have it uses. I would not recommend this build for dungeon runs, but there are places like the Tower of Nightmares where such a build can be really helpful if you or other players have problems with surviving.

Stylo.6259:

Duels are great and I’m a full supporter of dueling. However, if I see 2 players engaged in combat and it’s not behind the windmill or some other secluded place that the players have arranged to meet, I’m stomping the enemy and helping my teammate. When your teammates need help in the open field there’s no time to stop and say, “Excuse me server mate, but do you need me to help you?”

Pretty much this. If i see a server mate in fight i will try to help him, no matter how many opponents there are. Obviously i will not charge into a 80 men zerg, but i will add into any fight as long as i think that there is at least a small chance that we can win.

1vs1 does not automatically mean that the fight is fair, not even when its the same class. My mesmer is build for solo roaming, if i attack another mesmer who is running group utility skills like Veil, Portal or Null-Field, then i have a huge advantage against him, despite the fact that we play the same class. That has absolutely nothing to do with “if he is bad, then he is dead”.

If you want to fight 1vs1 without a disturbance , go behind the windmill, there you will find like-minded people for fair fights.

Keep it civil and learn to post in a polite way. A lot of the things you said last week were true, but nobody cared, because you sounded like a troll.

I know that a lot of people from other servers posted similar things in the past, but at the end of the day you have to be comfortable with your own deeds , not theirs.

It’s a bad idea because not everyone gets the WvW levels at the same rate. A zergling who run in karma-trains mostly will always have more levels than a roamer, a scout or a defender.

Jobs like scouting and defending are already not very rewarding, your system would ensure that players who care for their server would be punished even more by having a lesser chance to get into WvW, while zerglings with a rank of 400 or more would get instant invites.

Lutto.8745:

Everyone knows its the smarter move from Deso but theres nothing we can do really? Or should we just stop playing and let deso 695 rest of the reset? The fact that you think that Gandara is blind to this is just silly.

You could at least refrain from pointing in our direction or thanking them for their help. Beside of that there is not much what you can do. That doesn’t change the fact that it was double teaming, but that is part of the game, as i said before. Not really something to brag or rage about, unless you are a drama queen.

Space.8053:

Is now a good time to recall how AM mysteriously dropped so much ranking before the league started?

As far as i know we have been Rank 11 for over 4 month in a row, dropping to rank 10 only because of Desolation dropped to silver league. We have never, not even once, been high enough to qualify for gold league.

So whats exactly do you mean by “dropping rank” ?

LampGhost.9658:

I’m happy we’re showing AM what they and their laggfest creation are really worth… Gandara deserves the second place here for actually fighting to win!

Well, i guess your blobs do not create lag.

Seriously, blaming someone for lags while running even bigger numbers seems a to be hypocritical. Due to the influx of new players every server in this matchup created skill-lag, pretending something else is silly.

About your towers in EB… i still think there is a difference between using an opportunity and making an alliance with another server. But if you want to sell your soul for a worthless Finisher and some rewards, go for it.

IDarko.4709:

I wanna see them rage in this thread! ;o

Why should we rage?

Nightcapping and double teaming is part of the game. The bragging on the forum may be a bit unnecessary and let you look like kittenbags, but that your problem, not ours.

Relentliss.2170:

sered.5618:

Hey sor I just checked the scores and your winning . Seems your pve players are doing a good job of fighting jq and bg .

I would attribute that to our awesome commanders, who really help even noobs gel in combat. SOR’s commanders are amazing guys and girls.

Fair enough.

A calm and friendly commander is a invaluable asset, especially these days. However, he can only be successful, if the people around him follow his orders and try to play as a team. So it still seems that your pve players are decent bunch of people who contribute enough to the success of your server, don’t you think?

AM was never in the Gold League.

We hit Rank 11 in May and there we stayed for more than 4 month, to claim that we don’t belong into the Silver League is silly. Even with the artificial drop of desolation (if it was one, i can’t speak for them) we should be Rank 10 now, which is still Silver and not Gold League.

I guess, if they would care for computer games, then indeed, it certainly would be a good speech. The reason for this is, that the topic of these speeches is usually something that would make the world a better place. I guess i have to thank you for proving my point.

However, while removing war and hunger for the whole world is an utopian thing to do, it would be quite possible to make GW2 a better game by being more friendly, patient and helpful.

It is subjective.

For some people their characters are more than a bunch of stats and a dps score. They play the class/spec because they like it. Those people usually do not care how long a dungeon crawl takes, they just enjoy playing their toon.

It is perfectly fine if you do not want to play with those people, they probably do not want to play with you too. Just don’t tell them that they should play something else that is not fun for them. Everybody should be able to play the class/spec he likes. If you do not want to play with them and are looking for a pug, make your own group and a description how you want to play.

I do not even play a necromancer or use a condition build in dungeons.

That doesn’t change the fact that my damage would be much lower without 25 stacks of vulnerability or without the bleeds that my mesmer generates as “support damage” when she is using sword/pistol.

every kind of build benefits from conditions, when mobs get immune to them it is something that hurts all of us, not only pure condition specs. Thus the “advice” is still useless.

It’s amazing. Someone asks a legit question and the whole i-love-zerker-crew is coming to start an off-topic discussion to “educate” the masses.

Last time i checked even power builds are using conditions. I’m pretty sure it will hurt your “insane damage” if you suddenly cannot apply any vulnerability on your targets or if a mesmers phantasms cannot stack any bleeds at all.

so no, not all of his problems are solved if he is using a power build and your “advice” is not helpful.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Right. So what you’re saying is, as a casual gamer you’re not playing to win, and thus are happy running an inferior design. Ok, I can accept that. (FYI, this comment has nothing to do with the trait layout per’se)

May i ask you which skills are suffering from the 4% less condition duration? Are there actually conditions in this build who lose a tick of damage with only 56% duration compared to the 60% provided by the better food (66/70% with Traveler Runes)?

UnknownRH.4592:

I cant believe the moaning from AM and GH.

Hmm, where exactly are all those complaints from AM? The only one i saw was about the spelling of our server name, because it seems no one can’t spell it without a flaw, after more than a full year (it’s Abaddon, not Abbadon).

The rest of the drama is between GH (who complains about blobbing) and PS (who are trying to shift the blame back to the smaller servers).

Axle.5182:

How Abbadon is not higher in the ranks is beyond me you have more people in WvW than us lol especially if the coordinated Garrison attack you pulled off was anything to go by that was one hell of a mega blob Im guessing a fair bit of border hopping took place to accomplish that? the signs where there when we all of a sudden went out manned and the call went out to brace for impact

If i had to make an educated guess, then i would say that you play during prime time only. One of the main reasons AM doesn’t have a higher rank is our notorious bad coverage outside of the weekend or prime time. On top of that our prime time is shorter, because all of our players live in the same time zone, so there is only a very limited time where we have those numbers.

kribre.9683:

… , we dont QQ because we get teamed up with higher ranked servers, we QQ because we get ranked with the likes of AM that only runs in 70+ blobs and cause massive skillag which destroyes the game, ….

well…

After reset AM was running 3 Commanders at the AG borderland and some small groups, the size of the community zerg was below 40 players. If you call this “running only in large blobs” then i guess we are guilty for that crime.

well…

At reset there were no t3 keeps and towers, no ac’s, no wp’s and all three servers had plenty of players on the maps. So no server had a beginning advantage. If we can only hide behind walls and ac’s unless we are outnumbering you 3:1, why did we get so many points during reset?

Today we defended our bl for hours while outmanned. In fact there were a couple of times when the buff toggled on and off. You knew the whole time that there was a larger, more aggressive group of AM running around on your and Pikens borderlands. Seeking them and defending your own stuff would have been a good opportunity to get those open field fight you “asked” for in one your posts.

Edit: It seems the post i was answering got deleted.

Considering that [ADAC) comes from Kodash you should have used arrow carts instead of rams if you want to get their attention. The abuse of arrows carts is the one and only thing that a Kodashi (even a Ex-Kodashi) will never tolerate.

And stop to discriminate the rest of us, we are a community after all. Please, drop siege weapons on all of us (Omega Golems preferred).

icey.7368:

Ty for the fights on miller sound BL yesterday nice defending hills Am and the miler on bay pff .. Hope You had a decent night from us cheers

I can’t speak for MS, but we had fun. Every time we tried to capture more of MS assets you attacked us and forced us to defend hills with our back to the walls. Instead of preying on MS you brought the battle to us and prevented us from getting more points on their border. This way the matchup remains more interesting, which is a nice little bonus to the fights.

Keep up the good work

Wokrit.2546:

The video from MYA wasn´t a flame!
You start do drop their performance down with words like: “You make better vids while you fight against real WvW Guilds to show your skill, not such a garbage”

I think thats the reason the flame starts again.

Well…

In the comments to the first video they stated that “the only purpose of this video is to spite the blobs of Abba”. Also, they created new tags with a derogative meaning (at least in their own minds) just for mocking us even more. There should be no doubt what their intention was, even for someone who cant understand the comments under the video.

It’s a rude, disrespectful and immature way to behave.

Ragnar.4257:

Parthis.2091:

Belma.3986:

-snip-

Is [ADAC] (which i’m realiably informed stands for [Aim Das Arrow Carts]) up for some GvG this week? 10v10. JDGE vs ADAC, bring your 10 best?

And to cast the net wider, any MS guilds up for some?

You should ask for 10v30, then ADAC might consider it.

Not sure who would win tho :/

I guess [ADAC] is able to bring 30 people too , or at least 20, although it is nice of you that you think they can win fights outnumbered 1:3.

drazzar.3042:

Anorwen.2078:

I guess, all of us knows – reset time means big blob time from each server. Well for sure, server, who are playing in higher tiers, got more menpower, better organisation.
Thats why they are in higher tiers. The higher the server is in ranking the larger the WvW menpower. Thats fact. Otherwise they weren´t that high in ranking.

wtf are you talking about? You are in 11th place and right after you there is Gandara in 12th place. I don’t get what you mean with higer tiers – joking?

Obviously he didn’t mean Abaddon when he talked about higher tiers, but servers like Elonas Reach or Vizunah , who have both, more players and a better organization.

Do you want some milk and cookies too?

Shifty.3412:

I’m not sure how you managed to turn probably the most positive post in this thread into a negative one, but you did it, well done.

Well, that wasn’t my intention. I have no problem with your post in general, i actually wish we had more people posting like you. I just didn’t like the very small part that i quoted because it implies that the transfers from Kodash had something to do with the changes in our way to play.

Slomo.1029:

I dont see people complaining/crying at 3am or 4 am in the morning….

Like cmon, I logged off at 1am and when I saw the score at 10am the first time AM was ticking with 400+ and made 13k+ points overnight.
Where was this force when we were raiding 2h earlier? How can 23:00 not be primetime while 03:00 is?

Well, i saw AG rushing a map with 30-40 people and about 10 golems against 10 defenders at 4am in the night from Sunday to Monday. It seems you use your advantage in numbers in the very same way we do, the difference is, that we do not run to the forum to complain each time it happens.

Seriously, I don’t think you have the right to cry about nightcapping.

ankdarkwolf.1487:

/me leaves a trail of cookies for the troll…

And don’t forget to leave a glass of warm milk at the end of the trail. Those nerdrages cost a lot of energy and he is your guild leader after all.

Shifty.3412:

…I still remember fighting AM with my guild before the transfers from Kodash came in, …

I think it’s a bit unfair to shift the blame on our new community members. The change was already in progress when they transfered. In the lower tiers we had a lot of small groups running around, which were only loosely organized and only played together for a short time when a large enemy group entered the borderland. When we finally got to T5 we meet servers with guild groups of 20+ people running around everywhere, which left our small groups with almost nothing to do. We realized we had to adapt to the new situation and we did.

If you have 80 people and exactly 1 commander on the map and there are 2-3 guild groups of 20+ people on your borderland that you have to fight, then your choices are limited. After all ArenaNet gave us only two ways to build groups. Running with more than 10 people without a commander and not everyone in TS/Mumble is a pain and not viable.

True, the transfers from Kodash brought more people to our server, but more important, they brought more commanders. Commanders, that make us more flexible, that are willing to support the community and to be part of it. Most of our guilds will only run solo if there is already a guild/commander who is leading the community zerg on the map, thats how we play. So, guilds like [ADAC], who take this duty very often, do not hurt the GvG part of the game. Quite the opposite is true, whenever they turn on the blue light someone else is free to roam alone. Most, if not all, of our members appreciate that and i think the rest of you should appreciate it too, instead of calling them out for blobbing.

Kaleygh.1524:

What you are saying in the end is that “you either play with us how we want to or you`re free to leave”. It shows a fear of change, a unwillingness to try and play the game differently.

Actually there is no fear of change, we have already changed our way to play in the past. Instead of complaining, we adapt.

Don’t try to put words into my mouth that i never said. I stated clearly, that you are welcome to play with or against us if you are able to respect our community for being friendly, mature and laid back. If you don’t, then your respect is neither needed nor wanted and we don’t care about you. Essentially that was what the “troll” was adding when he wrote “we do not need your respect”.

However you can stay in the game as much as you want. After all, we are not the ones who are asking other people to change for them again and again.

Amelia Knox.9362:

AM you might know who is fighting a bigger opponent, try to fight that oppenent for months, going to the forum and seeing people claming bullkitten all the time from that oppenent, using cheap tatics, instant build arrow on open field even with bigger numbers, than come back and tell me how you feel.

At release we started with a rather small WvW population and almost no WvW guilds. We fought uphill battles against servers with more people, more guilds and a better time coverage for months. At that time, outside of events, our largest groups, our “zergs”, often numbered around 30 people or less and we had a lot of small loosely organized groups running around. We changed this when we left T6 and encountered Fort Ranik and Far Shiverpeaks with their all present guild zergs. Ironically servers like FSP, AG and Gandara and their unwillingness to give us fair fights to our conditions were the catalyst for our change.

I also remember AG from the past when you had the numbers on your side. You nightcapped our stuff every night and ran us down with sheer numbers during the day. You never cared about your advantage in numbers when the advantage was on your side, so don’t try to sell me that you are different.

Amelia Knox.9362:

Ofcourse add nothing to the conversion keep going AM troll

Actually he is not a troll, he just stated our point of view. We judge people by their behavior and their manners, not by their ability to push buttons, like every mature person should. If you can’t respect our community for being friendly, mature and laid back, then we do not need your respect. Everyone who wants to play with or against under said conditions is welcome, no matter of his server, for the rest we don’t care.

Edit: changed the part about transfers, because it had nothing to do with the argument and could be perceived as a cheap shot.

Karahol.9840:

I don’t think you can understand the viewpoint of the opponent servers unless you join them against your own. Maybe if you play against Vizunah for 6 weeks straight, you gonna understand what it’s like for AG to play against you.

At release AM started with a very small WvW population and almost no WvW guilds. We fought uphill battles against a lot of servers with more guilds, more people and a better time coverage. We were the first server to fight Jadesea when they got their massive transfers. Believe me, we know exactly how this feels.

I even remember a time at AM, when any group with more than 10 people was considered a Zerg…

What’s an Arrow Cart? Well, joke aside, i think i saw one a couple of weeks ago, they are very rare on our borderland, you know.

But we love Arrow Carts and Trebs are like Arrow Carts, just with boulders, so we love them too. We need no special reason to build them, we are doing it just for fun. I just wish we could afford more of them …

Limm.8401:

Kaleygh.1524:

I honestly hope the AM guys are better at the game than they are at trolling

If troll the same way they play, you’ll just have 60 people posting “1” very soon
Jokes aside, bad troll is bad.

Well … i have to admit, this one is indeed funny.

To be honest, i fear, i put you in the same box with some of the other trolls, and i’m sorry for this. It seems i’m getting a bit defensive and unfriendly after the last few weeks. As you can see we have people from AG in this thread moaning and bragging about a completely different matchup, so you may understand what i’m meaning.

While i’m not taking offense in the term “Blobaddon” as such, i have some serious doubts, that it was meant in a friendly and teasing way. I guess with the given context, it can be seen in the same league with “Crydara” and “North Shiverkids”. “An eye for an eye”, if you want to put it this way.

“Crydara vs Blobaddon vs North Shiverkids”. Hm… doesn’t sound bad as a thread title, i guess.

Limm.8401:

Don’t. Just don’t embarrass yourself any further. I say this with the nicest intentions and no attempt at comedy: You are not funny. You are not witty. You make yourself look very immature.

We just try to adjust us to your sense of “comedy”(and when i say “you” i actually mean Gandara and to some degree FSP too, not you as a person),but we are still far, far away from that level.

You may read some of the last matchup threads again, and after that you may come back and tell us if you think that comparing people to the Third Reich or calling someone a coward in a videogame is less immature and more funny.

My nice intensions are long gone. We tried to be nice, we tried to talk with you, we tried to explain things to you, but you just won’t listen. All that is left is to take the situation with some kind of gallows humour and to make fun of you.

At least we should thank you for the name “Blobaddon”. It is a sweet reminder that we are actually playing as a community where everyone is welcome. Although this brings some limitations with it, i prefer this to the some-random-guilds-playing-coincidentally-on-the-same-server-model you seem to prefer.

Actually most people seem to enjoy this matchup. Half of the people complaining are from Gandara or AG and do not even play on the involved servers. They trolls, nothing more.

Immolator.5640:

Also random dude above me, don’t generalise, I had nothing to do with any of that.

I don’t generalise at all, i remember your name very well. In case you don’t remember:

Immolator.5640:

Anyways gl with yo Arrow Carts and the endless zombie march of the Wehrmacht

Well, actually AM is even worse than VZ/RS if you believe him and his friends.

We are so bad, that they feel themselves to be entitled to call us “the Wehrmacht” and comparing us to the Third Reich, while “asking us nicely” for fair fights by calling us cowards. Even when they do not have to play against us, they stalk us in our own threads and use every opportunity in other threads to mention the blobs of AM.

These days it’s just not possible to read the forums without a raincoat and an umbrella.

As for the AC’s, i think the normal ones are fine at the moment, if your opponent is using several of them to defend a gate, then it should take your more effort than just a few rams to open the door. The superior ones however are some kind of overkill and should be changed. they should take away some of the damage increase and should replace it with some more hp and protection.

There other ways to take a tower than rams and trash damage. The effort to take a fully upgraded and defended T3 tower or keep should reflect the effort to get it to T3. I understand that some of you don’t like sieges and find them boring and a waste of time, but try to see it from point of view of the people who spend gold and time to upgrade them.

Dranul.2094:

If you believe it is meaningless fights and playing 24/7 for POINTS IN A VIDEO GAME, has a) more meaning and b) more fun… KUDOS to people who think that way – they are by far the bigger men.

I never mentioned points for a reason … i don’t care for them. Those fights are meaningless because WvW is not about skirmishes, but was designed as a siege game. The towers, keeps, supply camps and siege weapons are there for a reason. They are more than just decorations or visibility barriers.

Coming from Shadowbane, i love sieges. I bought these game because it has keeps and towers to upgrade and defend and WvW was advertised as a siege game. I’m just playing the game as intended, there is no room for complaints about that. If you don’t like sieges, then you bought the wrong game or are playing the wrong game mode.

Another thing is, that you guys never care about numbers or fair fights when you are more. I usually play in a group of 3-4 people, 5 at most. when we face your awesome groups of only 20 skillful people, we face the very same odds you mentioned, but you never, not even once, cared about giving us a fair fight, instead you zerged us down every single time. the number are maybe different, but the behavior is the same.

But go on, bring some more movies, repeat the same things again and again, put some more insults on top of the others and show everyone what brave forum warriors you are. Just prove how pointless it is to speak with the people of AG.

Dranul.2094:

<3 Sorry Nauda, didnt realise (no sig here) Appreciate the feedback. Just a shame that the resident trolls in the thread have gone so quiet the last few days – can’t imagine why.

Oh, really?

Let’s see … by now you called us skilless, dumb, mindless, zombies, cowards and one guy even called us “the Wehrmacht” (you cant use that other word, because the profanity filter doesn’t allow it, but the picture was pretty clear). Despite those insults, those “trolls” tried to explain to you, how we play (and why), just earning even more insults.

the reason they stay quiet is that talking to you is pointless. you made an artificial ruleset for yourself about meaningless fights in no-man’s land and when people do not stick to it, you feel entitled to insult them.

don’t get me wrong, i’m not posting because i’m offended, it’s just another try to explain something to you.

Viking.1285:

…but we sure wont complain as much. …

maybe thats the problem, we do not complain enough. maybe we should go to the forums and do some crying each time they do something we find annoying and boring.

lets, for instance, talk about their definition of “small scale”. where i come from “small scale” meant fights between groups of 5 people or less. it took us (me and some friends, i’m not talking for my server) some time to understand, that when they say “small scale” they actually mean “small scale zerging” with guild groups of 20 player or more.

fighting against these odds is no fun. the last few matches against servers like FSP were boring as hell, but we did not complain, because we think, everyone has the right to play like he wants. instead, after trying to get some fair fights from them, we finally joined our zerg to help to fight those “small scale groups”. maybe it’s less fun than roaming in a small scale group, but at least we can accomplish something.

the funny thing is, they never had a problem with unfair fights until they started losing. then they complained about us (for “destroying the small scale fights”) and started asking for even numbered and fair fights, altough they never gave them to us.

as i said, maybe we should complain more…

Minfast.5489:

Whatever happened a couple of hours later is irrelevant. No need to take offence just because I pointed out I would have done things differently if I was leading the FR force in EB at the time I refer to.

Actually, if you use a term like “in the long run”, then what happens later is the only thing that is truly relevant. FR is still leading, so it seems their “inferior” tactic worked well for them.

Minfast.5489:

…while I can understand the tactic purely for short term points gain, in the long run its questionable.

and a couple of hours later FR is leading with FSP on the second place. indeed, the tactic is very questionable. they may even win by accident if they continue to make those mistakes…

Steelo.4597:

but on EB its quite clear there are some german EB commanders communicating with each other and making plans to work together.

The complaints from Millsound are mostly about EB. They keep telling us, that we never attack Gunnars but only them.

Maybe the Millers you saw didn’t attack, because they were too surprised to see us fighting?

Actually, in the german forums Millersound complains about being our prime target.

Last time we fought, GH complained about us because we “never left our homeland”. It seems whatever AM does, it’s wrong.

Cactus.2710:

Actually, your advice isn’t sound at all … and yes, you’d probably best just shut up.

Actually, not long ago a lot of german players had the problem the OP described and they all had the same ISP. The customers of said ISP had problems with Online Games in general, not only with GW2.

he was talking about the past weeks, not the current setup, he even used the words “like the past weeks”.

this is the first week we play against you, so he clearly wasn’t referring to FSP or GH.