Guild Wars 2

I prefer Flowless Strike for the extra roaming burst damage

D/P > D/D in pvp because D #5 (CnD) is not a reliable source of stealth, if people dodge, block, blind you, get invul, etc… you will lose 6 initiate and will still not be invisible so you are pretty much kittened
Not to mention that pistol off hand gives you a interrupt skill and a blind fild wich are very good in pvp

Zephyra.4709:

Annnnnnd luckily this still exists…

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Orrian_Truffle_and_Meat_Stew

Decent endurance regen.

to bad you cant food up in tpvp

our vigor traited is 75% of what the normal vigor used to be and it sucks hard doesnt even matter if we have perma vigor. it should at least be back to 100% or 120% to be decent.
Right now its really bad the only good thing its Hard to Catch that fill up ur endurance bar

Yamsandjams.3267:

Walker.3056:

IMHO, all the removed traits for pistol on thief happened because of HoT.
the weapon thief are getting as elite spec is prob a Rifle and all “projectile” traits, affecting both pistol or rifle are going to be in that elite spec trait line.

They won’t put pistol traits in that line because it’s part of the “core” group. If someone wants to play with core stuff, their traits shouldn’t be locked behind non-core specializations.

Furthermore, I believe thief will get axe or mace, not rifle.

godz raiden.2631:

I don’t even play P/P I think it’s ridiculous that you thieves who do are just kind of being forgotten and left behind.

Well, p/p thieves have always been forgotten and left behind, so it’s just business as normal. They’ll just all be extra sad now because they’ll be having less fun overall.

What i said is that they elite spec line would go around the rifle and could affect pistol aswell since its similar not needed.

I hope you are right,i really dont want rifle as elite weapon…

Cynz.9437:

wat? https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-is-overpowered/first

lol rekt. well done

IMHO, all the removed traits for pistol on thief happened because of HoT.
the weapon thief are getting as elite spec is prob a Rifle and all “projectile” traits, affecting both pistol or rifle are going to be in that elite spec trait line.

Mordecai.6318:

Oxygen.5918:

Walker.3056:

This ^ really sucks now cause the “Stealth when steal” is a minor trait that cant be avoided if you take the SA line. this minor trait kittens thief so much that we will lose our "main"burst openners like for exemple you cant pre-cast CnD, steal, BS anymore cause you will be revealed. or BP,HS, steal, BS it will always fail…. this is really really bad.

Unless i didnt understand things right ANET should really change this minor trait. This trait alone makes the use of an offensive steal crap.

Right, I completely forgot it now becomes baseline. Ouch. They really need to look into it, then.

http://dulfy.net/2015/06/16/gw2-june-23-specialization-changes/#Thief

It’s not a minor nor is it baseline. Trait has almost always been useless anyways.

OH thank god! thank you for the info

i thought it was a minor, at least we are not forced to use this crap haha same old same old

This ^ really sucks now cause the “Stealth when steal” is a minor trait that cant be avoided if you take the SA line. this minor trait kittens thief so much that we will lose our "main"burst openners like for exemple you cant pre-cast CnD, steal, BS anymore cause you will be revealed. or BP,HS, steal, BS it will always fail…. this is really really bad.

Unless i didnt understand things right ANET should really change this minor trait. This trait alone makes the use of an offensive steal crap.

Is there anywhere i can watch the NA WTS finals?? and all the games that wasnt streamed?

Thanks.

Works for me #15op

Yes, for me FS animation looks more wierd after the patch. butwe got nothing reported back to us about this… what a surprise.

Anonymouse.4760:

Yup been happening to me as well, just have to avoid certain combos for now ._.

Yup…

And this is totally wrong… thief is all about combo, quick plays cause of how squeesh we are and now.. even after the “steal fix” most of the time i cant land a BS cause i get the rubberband. Perfect. I dont want to be forced to play ranger so i can be sure i will land my burst.

Even after the “Steal fix” when i play d/p i have a lot of time this bug: i bp, hs, steal, after u hit the steal and hs i get invi but i get rubberband back to like half of the way i teleported. Its not a LAG problem cause everything else is perfect fine.

So…. Anyone else notice this?
Anet, is this a known bug? can you plz take a look at that?

It really makes had to keep the pressure and hit my BS wich most of the time my goal with this combo.

Thanks.

S/D is has less damage now? YES.
S/D brakoen, not viable, bad even in top pvp play? NO.
You just need to change your game style. damage now comes much more from AA chain than LS. My tip is keep pressure with AA chain. use FS only to dodge! one more dodge!! or u can use it as offensive tool if the target has some great ight stacks or stab.

Yea fix this totally break thief in any viable pvp. FS or HS + steal = steal out of range, even if u are IN RANGE! steal goes on cd, you miss it and dont get an ability. GG

Not to mention sometimes FS doesnt even HIT! even when u are full meele range!!! if you are going to nerf something make sure you dont nerf it with so many bugs. thanks very much.
Ah and the cant stomp someone for 3 sec after u downed him… its broken aswell.

If you are going for a fury build dont use hidden killer, its a waste.

if you are using it you should use another rune Ogre or Strength are better choices and dont put 2 on trickry, use it on DA or Acro.

Not saying its a bad build just that you can make it stronger

Thief has advamtage over mesmer in pvp. Doesnt mean mesmers are not viable or bad class, Thief is just its natural counter.

Blackjack.5621:

The reason why people complain about thieves is their high mobility paired with high damage and high surviveability while they got some broken mechanics like steal which works without line of sight and rips stability before it interrupts, so there is no counterplay to it and you can´t cover your heal or any important spell. Another broken mechanic is perma vigor + feline grace which allows them to evade permanently. All classes except thieves have cooldowns on their abilities, so you just gonna waste too much stuff if you try to hit a thief.

Atm thieves are the reason why there is no other zerker class set in the meta game, they are just faster so you cant run from them and they get away on will so they survive better and get the most decaps while still doing crazy damage, which comes from air and fire sigil. Those sigils allow thief to spec defensively and still do an absurd amount of damage each time he hits you after dodging around waiting for sigils to recharge.

Zerk mesmers are in the meta. they are very viable. doesnt have the advantage in 1v1 against a thief but in tpvp meta they are great

Gotta love sizer.

s/p is still very effective in tpvp

I like pack runes

Great Guild. Make sure to check it up!

To be honest it is the first and only guild that makes me feel like ive made real friends!
Thanks all the Aco <3 yall

Its wierd and sad how the Thief players are the only ones that always try to make other thieves looks bad or worse than they are.

Its like they cant admit when someones is good or even better than themselves.

This guy…. i admire his lack of knowledge of the game and the class in question but i admire even more his will of not giving up the daily updates of the same Threads but with different names/format

Zacchary.6183:

Dual.8953:

It’s guys like this that make me miss Columba and Burnfall. Moreso Burnfall. His posts were always a treat.

I am under the firm impression that Sanduskel is banned from the forums for kittening off so many players.

I do not miss him. :P

Maybe this is an Alt acc???

If i am facing a thief and he spam HS i dont see myself losing in any possible way. unless i am facing a 1vX but then its wouldnt be a HS problem but a outnembered problem.

If i see a friend thief and he spam HS i feel sorry for him cause that will only kill (IF LUCKY) unexperienced people.

Peow peow.2189:

Serious Thought.5394:

Peow peow.2189:

If you dont think thieves do the most dmg then any class in this game you are lying to urself. Hop off the thief bandwagong and play a hard class like engi or ele

Not to be rude (as per signature) but do you mean condition or power damage? Its already been proven by someone using real numbers (and I have experimented gameplay wise) that Elementalist has the highest burst potential and rotation. So pure power damage goes to Scepter/Dagger Elementalist.

Highest Condition Damage (not management( Necromancer) or clearance (Guardian)) belongs to Engineers who can stack Confusion, Bleeding, Vulnerability, Poison, and Weakness with ease. No offense.

Thief can go hybrid the best. That might be what you were trying to refer to. A hybrid condi/power thief can do it best (theoretically) but in practice a Hambow (Hammer/Longbow) warrior can outpace us really quickly both in terms of mitigation and distribution of damage. 6 stacks of bleeds and Immobolize followed by fire field and blind shot then a stun, knockback,stun usually kills what they targeted. Except bunkers….probably got carried away here. Anyway. Hope I helped someone today with wall of text. Courtesy of TLDR…

TLDR: Thief has the highest/second highest (almost a tie) hybrid damage. It does not have the best condition damage, mitigation, or management nor does it actually have the highest/most-efficient power burst.

haha you are the idiot, elemntalist has cool down on the burst so he hits once burst thenhas to run.

Thief press cloak and dagger and hit and rinse repeat keep 10k dmg over and over. 3 second reveal to short, need 10 second reveal on this class.

If you are losing to D/D thieves in tpvp (as you said he jusr CnD and backstab) you are really bad or doing it wrong…. D/D…. i dont think any class in this game should lose for a D/D in tpvp unless they are really new or bad.

If you are facing a GOOD engi ON POINT, you as thief wont win. just wont. if its not on point you have a chance but its really tough. Gotta usa you mobility and keep the conds low

that the problem of venoms thieves, you got zero stunbreak so if u get stunned in a team fight by any class you are dead. unless you are playing against very bad/unexperienced players

warr so bad that at finals of ToL both teams had 2 of them on it…. why not go necro, engi, mesmer? ohhhh wait….

cyyrix.6105:

Allie Murdock.8152:

How does it feel unbalanced compared to other class mechanics?

Blurred Frenzy:

• CD: hard 12s
• Stun: none
• Evade: 2.5s
• Damage Coefficient: 2.4

Pistol Whip:

• CD: soft 5s (5 initiative x 1 init/s = 5s)
• Stun: 0.5s
• Evade: 1.5s
• Damage Coefficient: 3.14 (30% more damage)

I don’t main thief, but I do troll around spvp with a PW spec.

This is just bs…. comparing to skills from total different classes…. its like saying:

Steal: blink+interrupt if traited+low damage
Mesmer F1:GRT damage! remove buffs/cond if traited
F2:Confusion remove buffs/cond if traited
F3: interrupt! remove buffs/cond if traited
F4: Invul for up to 4 sec!! plus traited bonuses!!!

so… nerf mesmer skill class buff steal? hell no! totally diff classes and skill you can compare skill from different classes, they are not supposed to be the same

Grim.4795:

IMHO the problem with PW is three fold:
1) Its a quick access to a stun at a moments notice to interrupt every and any skill needed to by a thief – coupled with their seemingly infinite shadow steps – could land every time if played correctly.
2) It’s amazing defensive qualities. When i manage to apply pressure to thief running with S/P they just press their 3 skill allowing themselves to evade until their defensive CD are up again (not to mention the DMG they are doing at the same time – or the fact they can just stealth and reset over and over until they feel confident they finally have the advantage and can win).
3) The damage it deals itself. The skill deals a metric kitten ton of DMG and due to the initiative thieves rely on that just got buffed, can be spammed like there is no tomorrow not allowing players to re-act (because it stuns), fight back (they are evading) or even dodge (the sword 2’s immob is easy to land allowing the combo to rarely miss). Not only all of this, but even professions with ‘the same’ skill or similar do not gain half of the dmg PW has, like mesmer for example. Their sword MH #2 allows them to be invul, but doesn’t even do a third of the DMG PW is capable of or stuns.

This is how i feel, not stating it as a fact, but please read it and consider mine and the other poster’s experiences with this truly un-balanced skill.

Below i attacthed an image of my combat log of a fight i had with a thief. I was on my mesmer running with staff, blink and decoy. The fight lasted roughly 5-15sec in which the thief started off in stealth (couldn’t summon my clones/phantasms) then he opened with a steal and PW combo, i used blink to get away and stun break, he used a shadow step and continued the dmg, i then used staff #2 to get farther away, he used another shadow step, i then used my F4 shatter, but PW outlasted it and i died due to the overload of DMG without a way to fight back even though im rank 40+ and have a thorough understanding of the game and shouldn’t meet an opponent i can’t seem to land a hit on. I added this picture not to QQ about how OP of a skill PW is, but i believe in order to get my point across an example cant do any harm.
Thanks for reading.

You didnt even tried to fight back… look theres like 3 pw on that ss and thats enough time for you at least hit ur f3 and interrupt him at the right time to get the fight in you favor but you didnt even AA him or anything the combat only show the thief attacks… im not saying its fake but very low experience even though you are lvl 40+.

If the SS isnt fake you prob got desperate and didnt think well to act

Simon.3794:

Initiative generates too fast, so SP can spam a lot of pistol whip.

right now its just a skill with CC stun can deal massive amount of damage, while evading everything and without a CD.

imo if you want to keep these settings its better to shave some damage.

pw damage is almost on par with AA chain if shave it more….

I like pw to bad retal can kill you in team fights xD otherwise would be op.

I love how people complain about any build they dont play. we see good Hambow warrs complaining here, good fear necros, mesmers, guards but none of them talks on other posts about how they have op builds… LMAO its so much easier to try to fuk others to get the attention away from you

Thief is all about outplaying the others yesterday i was playing p/d ZERK (yea not cond) for fun and was just killing things even pw thieves…. so easy to predict unless they are really good as shad, sizer or other top players but then they play well with any weapons set.

Dont blame a skill for your lack of experience. If you die try to see what you did wrong and what you could do instead. Get better is the most OP thing

You could swap You Head, Chest and Pants armor for PTV, and rest of the armor go with Zerker, and swap your back piece for Zerk too.

Like this you HP would drop 720 points and you Crit Damage 10% BUT you would get 132 more Toughness and 5% more Crit Chance, with this i think you overall defense will be higher cause of the thouness and the 5% of crit chance might give you better overall dps too than the 10% Crit damage u lost.

Obs: I didnt used the calculator but i htink you would gain more EHP and more DPS this way, got to check it though

Quells.2498:

OP: Who are you to tell anyone else how to play? Just curious.

+1

If you know thief and the pve well enough you can go full zerk otherwise mix some def stats

MIrra.3604:

Walker.3056:

jan 10th patch? you mean dec? if so its after

Yes, I meant Dec 10.

If you look at the video around the 3:00-3:15, you will see that the footage was from pre Dec nerf.

Only if its in that fight only i guess cause you can see many times that his shadow return has a cast time

jan 10th patch? you mean dec? if so its after

I dont care about any discussion going on here, cause there are endless threads about it so i just hope everyone agrees that D/D rotation (Backstab hiting the back) has higher single target dps than S/P under the same circumstances.

Cya have a good one

TEAM pvp tourns talking, Sîzer is the best ive seen playing lately

ANet gg. As always.

d/d tpvp…
/15…..

i dont see why add bleed i dont think it would fit well to a sword off hand

It helps the team but makes the thief very, very vulnerable

evilapprentice.6379:

Master of Timespace.2548:

Stealth trap is the only thing that I know of, that can do this.

Stealth trap is one of the 2 things in the game that targets and completely shuts down an entire class mechanic. The other being Sic’ em, both targeting thieves.

yea thats true but… i never hear of a thief dying cause of sic’ em

Ma Thief, and i love him