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The impact of the elite skill nerfs

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Maybe I’m a terribad elementalist. But I can’t rember the last time I used my elites. Other than.

1- Stacking on dungeon boss. FGS
2- While leveling to solo some stuff. Earth elemental.

I don’t even meteornado in wvw. I rather “Become the snow leopard” for it’s repositioning value. In spvp I don’t even have an elite.

I’m very much gonna miss fgs4, that dmg was seriouly insane. Oh, well still got fire staff, Ligthing hammer, D/F.

The Shatterer.

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@felessan let’s be real, anything good deserves good organization. Instead of trying to find a mistical middle ground. Anet should give better tools for people to get organized.

The Shatterer.

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Revamping shatterer to teq 2.0 would be amazing. I love how everytime I face tequatl it’s a gamble. I mean there is very real chance to lose and that’s amazing.

If anything the only problem is that after a lose streak, when you finally beat it the reward doesn’t pays off.

It’s not about getting a precursor or named exotic, every time you beat him. Chest means that you are basically gambling(teq fight) for a chance to gamble(chest)?. At least tokens in dungeons or fractals feel like you are working into something little by little.

An End to the Queensdale Train

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All those people disrupting the train on purpose… and enjoying it.

Tequatl the Sunless

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The problem is the turrets. The wrong people will always get it. Or even lure champs to get you off it… Or better yet jump in when you try to heal from poison.

Protect Me

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Shouts… Like, when you use “guard”. People will just pass by your pet. Guard should be an area denial of some sort.

Prediction: Staff Eles will be OP

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@P Fun Daddy. Lol only over 90% now that would be fun. Too troll Anet too troll xD

Prediction: Staff Eles will be OP

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With that stone heart. I might be over hyping it but usually when running staff you get a bunch of zerkers trying to dive you. Best of case now you can actually survive until help comes your way.

Ele one shotted me, so OP!

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I even started running naked on sPvP. I’m a glass cannon anyway so kitten it. Funny thing is nothing changes. Maybe losing those 12% crit dmg from divinity runes. But I can still one shot people on a full combo. It’s funny because it kittens up some players, kittens them up into mindlessly trying to one shot you. And thats when you surprise them with the wombo combo.

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Yes, elementalist is terribly balanced right now due to damage not compensating for the crap survivability we get. Unlikely ArenaNet will do anything, though. If there actually is a balance team, it’s pretty obvious they don’t care about eles.

I think our damage does compensate for our lack of survivality. The problems is the cd. Landing a full burst combo can be devastating. I have one shot players without stun breakers.

But then you realize people with half brain cell knows that after the updraft comes the pain. And since is on a 40cd(32 traited). I can’t survive that long. I would be happy if they make earthquake a 3-4sec knockdown. Or a launch just like updraft.

Alt Class From Ele

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Kit engi no contest. If you really like elementalist mechanics. Imagine you had 0 attunne cd. Yeah, thats how awesome it is + you can rolfstomp thieves, especially bad ones. Necros can be a pain to fight but hey everytime a thief dies I’m a happy guy.

You can equip this gadget rocket boots and pick up your fights. You become very hard to catch unless you over commit to a fight.

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Done that very rewarding. Got so frustrated by thieves stalking me. Went full damage fire signet and arcane power.

The problem was. If I missed my burst I would go to the graveyard. If thief missed his He would just stealth. I have tried thief sporadicaly I would say they are as squish as us. But they can keep pressure we can’t because is on 45sec cd.

New Possible Elite Skill

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FGS gives excellent mobility and the best damage in the game by a wide margin.

If any class has problems with Elites, it’s the Engineers… that mortar skill is just… ugh.

Mortar might suck but the area control supply crate offers is pretty nice at least in sPvP.

Stone Heart

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@cheese Sounds like fun. I know what I’ll be doing tonigh.

Beginner Ele!

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Dagger+Focus worked nice for me. That earth 5 got me out of trouble many times+ air dagger 3. And there is no complication on keep your damage consistent. Just attune to air and spam AA.
And while in fire the burn is pretty nice since mobs don’t cleanse it. Besides I had lots of fun using Dagger fire 3 + Focus fire 4. I would yell X fire!. Every time I pulled that out xD. You tecnically drop your flame wall and then use burning speed to create a Fire “X” under the mob. Burns them nicely.

I see why I stopped playing; Concerns

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I don’t think we need new content. What we need is a polishing in the content we already have. Or maybe I should get my kitten on exploring the world. But for some reason I don’t feel called by it.

I believe I’m starting to miss the whole talk to X npc to get your quest. It’s just that the letter they send you after completing a heart feels so impersonal. You just pass by do some stuff just because the quest log says so and you get money envelope from a random stranger.

The impact on the world too. The giant in the charr town is a great example. Then again you have places like the cursed shore that are just a pain to go to because nobody is bothering to complete them. At least in sorrow furnance. But if the megaserver stuff works out I think it could work.

Reasons why Guild Wars 2 is awesome

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Hope.

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Stone Heart

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Eles have wanted this trait to affect traits other than the 5-point ones for quite a while now.

In particular, the various +10% DPS traits when attuned to a specific Element do not carry over for 5 seconds when swapping attunements. If they did, an attunement-swapping Ele could get some really awsome burst and sustained damage by dancing around attunements. Sadly a single-attunement camping Ele still retains considerably higher because of the way these traits were designed.

I think devs fear our class far too much. The only way to abuse de % traits would be Meteor Shower or Dragons Tooth. Then again you have to burn all your attunes which is highly impractical.

Isn’t attune dancing risk enough for high powered attacks?. I can loose count on how many times, I have updraft into fire burst just to realize I’m actually on water lol .

New Possible Elite Skill

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I came with the idea while rembering how bad I hate to be focused down. Especially by thieves they just run around everywhere while spamming auto attack. So I have always 2 options.

1- Spam aoe on myself and hope for him to discourage and give up.
2- Burn all my cantrips in a futile attemp to escape.

Then I remembered how good is my engineer killing thieves especially when supply crate elite is up. And said to myself. Hey why not give eles an elite that works as an “Oh-kitten” button when they get tunel visioned.

The goal is instead of “focus the ele to death” will be more like “Does he have his elite up?, lets better sneak up to him”. Or maybe I should move towards a more tanky spec, but I can dream can’t I?.

Stone Heart

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Yep, ligering elements would be op if it worked with every attune bonus. Those 30/30/30/30/15 builds would be too OP.

Don’t be stupid.

It’s clearly 10/20/0/10/15, with 15 points left.

Actually, you can take Stone Heart if you drop the Attuned to Air 10%, I guess just make it 10/0/30/10/20 with Stone Splinters and Rock Solid in Earth.
You’ll get a 10% plus 20% damage increase for 5 seconds every time you change between fire and water attunements while your foe has vulnerability.

It’s most definitely far too powerful, would get so much qq from people you died to.

Made my day.

New Possible Elite Skill

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Overcharge. It sounded to me more like. Absorb all the damage you take for the next 5seconds maybe?. And release it back depending on attunement as.

Fire: Direct Damage.
Air: Stun 2-4sec.
Water: Heal.
Earth: I have no idea lol.

I would prefer them to be AoE. You take 50% reduced damage during the 5 seconds. 180cd.
As for a short cd boon elite that allows us to abuse Lyssa Runes would make our condi clear a bit too high.

The 5th Attunement! [Arcana]

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Or they could drop attune recharge to 0cd with an arcana GM trait.

Instead of giving us yet another kitten attunement, that will most likely triple our CDs forcring us to do 5x more work to get the same kitten results as other classes. Because of god kitten kitten balance. To kitten us for the next six kitten months. Kitten them, I say kitten them!!!.(starts fast heavy breathing).

Now talking seriously. I think they should improve the synergy of attument dancing. I mean more finishers.
Say for example with staff. Make water 2 a blast finisher. So I don’t have to wait for earth to come off-cd everytime I want to combo something. Air 4 whirl finisher. Hell even every Meteor of fire 5 should be a blast.(Maybe that would be over the top) but you get the Idea.

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Question about burning?

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Darke’s Breath applies 4 stacks of burning over the duration of the channel.

If you manage to land the full breath duration on someone. So the 20k damage would be 4stacks*6seconds=24seconds of burning.

Stone Heart

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Yep, ligering elements would be op if it worked with every attune bonus. Those 30/30/30/30/15 builds would be too OP.

If it worked with stone heart you could go almost 40% of uncrit-uptime, while attune dancing. Of course you would only have 25points left to spend. And a massive condi dmg boost from earth. Condi duration from fire. Too OP.

is this dmg legit

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Pretty legit. If you are naked. I would like to see what a Double or Triple chop do to you.

Wow @the new traits for Ele

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People get real you can’t have the cake and eat it too. Being uncritable while also dealing tons of damage would be borderline OP. We are being given a trait to counter annoying backstab thieves. By rendering 2 of their 3stat gear useless.

And if it is for condition we have cleansing fire, burning fire and ether renewal. Isn’t it enough? For investing full into power and condition damage?. Not like we going 1vZerg but at least we getting more suvivable.

Wow @the new traits for Ele

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I’ve been lost for a long time. But people actually complain at these traits. Like really?.

Stone heart just imagine while being that deep on earth. You have obsidian focus +290tou. Stone flesh +120tou. Imagine you have a scepter, Rock barrier is +250tou. On top of all the extra defense you are uncritable. While melting people with earth 1 Which is a damaging condition that few will waste a cleanse on.

Air and arcana ones might be lack luster but we still have FA and EA so it’s cool.

No offense, but you sound like someone who is just sitting in earth spamming the scepter autoattack. Before I start berating you for that – just try it in ANY competitive environment – and then tell me if THAT worked for you. 50 (FIFTY !) gold if you can beat really decent opponents with little more than your scepter autoattack spam (Video proof required). A necro will just send your bleeds back to you and say thanks for the additional damage, warriors will just clean with cleansing ire after they gain a single adrenaline bar, thieves or mesmers are likely not even going to be hit … well i can harly think of a situation where it might work.

I would really love to be using fire grab 24/7 but jezz it’s just 45sec cd. I meant while on the defensive. To keep pressure on target if you miss some of your burst. And of course while fighting another gc. And I don’t fight necros neither most warrior unless it’s 2v1

Wow @the new traits for Ele

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I’ve been lost for a long time. But people actually complain at these traits. Like really?.

Stone heart just imagine while being that deep on earth. You have obsidian focus +290tou. Stone flesh +120tou. Imagine you have a scepter, Rock barrier is +250tou. On top of all the extra defense you are uncritable. While melting people with earth 1 Which is a damaging condition that few will waste a cleanse on.

Air and arcana ones might be lack luster but we still have FA and EA so it’s cool.

Aquatic Benevolence - new grandmaster trait

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Since I was ninja’d.

How about take a guess for new air trait.

Name: Overcharge.
Description: Whenever you critical hit you build up charges. After you have X charges. You body overloads grating you 4x(just to make it fun) damage on your next attack.

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Aquatic Benevolence - new grandmaster trait

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lol heart of stone. Let me guess. Gain invulnerability for 1.5sec on eath attune?.

Inb4 this is actually what the trait will do.

I have a feeling we’ll get +300 Toughness (like the guardian +300 vit) with Stone Heart, while attuned to Earth

+300 toughness yummy
And all that protection.

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Or better yet. Heart of stone. Become inmune to control effects while attuned to earth. Oh the churning earths…

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lol heart of stone. Let me guess. Gain invulnerability for 1.5sec on eath attune?.

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They created fresh air and evasive arcana, what could go wrong?. Yeah so water doesn’t get an amazing trait. Is not like we don’t have reasons to get into water anyways.

Im still not leaving arcana and water.

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lol at people who feel like arcana is a mandatory trait line
being addicted to evasive arcana is one thing, but that’s all it is: being addicted to it. it’s not at all mandatory, and it isn’t better than other trait lines

Arcana is absolutely better than every other trait line simply because the majority of traits effect the Elementalist regardless of attunement or build.

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having traits that work regardless of build doesn’t really matter since, you know, you’re only going to have one build while using these traits

if you want to be a bunker, then sure, max out your water and arcane and get all those defensive traits. but ele can do things other than that. healing off all damage taken isn’t the only way to win. There’s also killing the other guy before he kills you.

And yes, the fire/air/earth/water trait lines apply more to their respective attunements. So what? You’re going to be spending some time in each of the attunements anyway. And most of the good ones are not at all exclusive to that attunement even then. Or may even have no relation other than a thematic one

Anyway I’ve been taking traits that help me survive, yes, but that may not help me survive indefinitely. Like diamond skin can help a ton for the first several seconds of a fight giving me a huge headstart on my opponent. Even when it does inevitably break and stop working, I’ve already gotten enough of an advantage that I’ve basically won. But mostly taking traits that let me kill people better. Arcana is pretty weak for dishing it out.

Using S/D and realizing that I had no way to sneak up on a target like stealth or clones. Ye all I can do is cast rtl that is like saying I’m about to burst you to dead now proc to use your inmmunities please.

I know that with arcana no you don’t get nearly as much power as investing in other lines but it gives me survivality. Dead elementalist is no damage. I might not last as much as a bunker warrior but if I can live long enough to land my skills timely work fine for me.

Um, Elemental Attunement = forced 20 arcane.

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Elemetal attunement is not that Good I mean it was cool to say hey look I’m helping party I’m giving buffs but kitten it renewing stamina is so much better for self survival.

another nerf!

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I’m ok with traits changes. Stick with your current build, take vital striking and ether renewal.

ER is useless without a reliable source of stability.

Hidding behind objects and around corners works fine for me. Or popping armor of earth if it’s really that imperative to heal with no interruptions. Or you can always cc your opponent before you start healing.

Also it’s just 15 secs cd I tune to water do some rolls water 3+5 ER will be back in no time. All this while tactical retreating ofc.

Im still not leaving arcana and water.

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I currently running 30 arcana just got the fever of evasive arcana( I’m bit late I know ). But the reason which I’ll never leave 30 arcane it’s because it’s traits are so versatile.

With 30 arcana I’m able rotate between staff support and S/D dps and be average I prefer to be able to jump into support and do ok when needed than sleeping on the floor wating for ress.

How ele is meant to be played

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Play it as you want cep for tank, can’t be a tank. But we can be dps, support, pseudo healers, field machines. You have to work you kitten x4 harder but hey think of yourself as a pianist instead of those crippled pug warriors who press 2 all day which I have to ress constantly trou glyph and mist form.

Ride the lightning

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I would be happy if they buff the range up to 1600 same cd on miss and all. because as it’s right now is not even a good gap closer how many time I’ve been out run by warriors and rangers.

I don’t find cd on miss really that bad because when people is running away they are most likely out of dodges or they give their backs so you will almost never miss. And as a general rule I don’t tend to rtl into peoples faces.

Elementalist DPS Build In Action 10sec Kill

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Amazing will come back everytime I want to reroll to mesmer because “they deal more dmg”

Ride the lightning

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@Zuik Just do what I do despite the bullkitten Anet trow at me I will always save my RTL to gtfo. As S/D user I just stay at the border of the conflict and whenever they try to get me and I’m out of “bullets” I will attune back to air thx fresh air and rtl away.

Will I get caught?, well ye sometimes is not like using stealth. But if I can run far enough to find a teammate my chaser will regret it if he still on me.

As to why the difference on cooldowns

I have no idea. Why do classes have different hp pools?, Why warriors AA hit so hard?, Why attunements have cooldowns?, Why stealth has no counterplay?, Why is ranger pet ai so frustrating?, Why don’t Anet have test server? What is the meaning of life?. I guess we will never know.

Elementalist boycott

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why is ele underpowered? with diamond skin ele could beat every class in 1v1’s now

Not every class it’s a lil far from every class. But those cheesy full condi necros are my kittenes now after taking burning, bleed, poison and fear and chill in the kitten . I can now say to their faces “I’M YOUR GOD!” while I stomp them at full health negating their useless condition downed skills.

Enjoy this top of the mountain while you can fellow elementalists.

So, diamond skin.

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Finally I can make conditiomancers tremble those full hardcore all conditons.

First Impressions-Ele Heal Skill Poll

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Idk killed many colleagues using it, I haven’t tried myself tou.

Really Frustrated- Need help

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I want tips and guide lines on how to be better. I get it that I have a lot to learn even thou I’m not a noob or a starter.

The most useful thing I’ve found for general ele gameplay and the thing that I believe Improved my skills the most was “save your skills” do not use your skills for damage. Use them for utility. After that I learned how ineffective some combos were like air 4+5 in my favorite set up S/D. Or when I used to jump in a random attunement just to spam fresh air.

Im still not leaving arcana and water.

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I’ve been said many times we need a denfensive mechanic an universal defensive mechanic.

Warriors. I troll stances, troll heal signet, troll huge hp pool.
Necromancer. haha ds huge troll hp pool x2.
Thief. Evasion invisibility bye, bye.
Mesmers. Plop smoke and mirrors I will now proc to get you in the what, while you try to find the real me.

Not that they can’t make mistakes and waste their stances or get a necro witouth a full ds pool. Or find the real mesmer quick. Or get a thief with stealth on cd or cc him out of shadow refuge.

But man they are so much forgivable.

Really Frustrated- Need help

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Why don’t you DODGE!!!!!!.

Lol now seruiously never been to arah so I can’t help you. But on lower lv dungeons like HtW, AC, CoE I usually get trough with mist from, lighting flash and GoR in fire gets me by alive. I use S/D always save rtl to get out of trouble kitten Anet and their “it was intended as a gap closer”

Then again this are just ideas from a pug runner never really been to arah

So, diamond skin.

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So far only tried it with settlers and is not worth it, I had 13k hp pool. Didn’t have the chance to 1v1 a condition user. Pretty much all encounters where +2v2 and zergs in mid points my health dropped pretty fast didn’t even realized I had the trait I tought it was bugged.

Topping your health to +90% should be easy task but getting to it won’t cleanse the conditions already in. So you will die pretty quick. You could use ether renewal like some said but I tought I was a bunker and being in mid fight, you could get interrupted by almost anyone half cast.

It’s a good step we should have lots of GM traits we could build around I mean look at fresh air is an awesome trait.

Im still not leaving arcana and water.

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Auto cleansing fire every 40 secs is not all the conditions ever…. is far from all the conditions ever.

yeah I know, but that’s not the only condition removal I have. I also take ether renewal. between that and the auto cleanse, I don’t have to worry about conditions at all.

but literally every weapon set has some condition removal, so that case of having only bleeds wouldn’t be too bad even if you only had the auto cleanse

you right imma try full gc or go home.

another nerf!

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I’m in the same boat. Not sure what to run now when cleaning wave has been moved. I really don’t want to get rid of fresh air or EA. Pity I’ve made two ascended weapons already for my ele.

Went from ranger to ele. LOL, I sure know how to pick’em.

Funny I’m ex-ranger too.