Give it 3 days. This up to the minute flipping out is what the speculator’s are hoping for. Stop playing into their hands.
Yeah, I know. Still, the ridiculous methods of obtaining a precursor falls entirely in favor of those who flips it. Just a few days ago, over half of the dusk disappeared off the tp. It isn’t a surprise someone’s stacking to flip.
The ridiculous price of the precious precursor has skyrocketed beyond unimaginable costs. Arenet, you need to get things together and release your new crafting system soon. The legendary gold grind process is really getting dull.
I feel your pain OP. I have never once gotten an exotic weapon drop. Only one time have I gotten a good rare drop – still not a precursor. The few other rares I ended up with were junk that weren’t worth anything. I give up on drops and BL chests. Period. Total garbage. I play only because I want to at this point. No legendaries for me… no insta-gold drops. Just fun. When I stop having fun, I’m outta here.
I stopped having fun the moment they introduced the ridiculous champion farms. Have been playing other games since then, and tbh, I wish I had quit way earlier. The game became more and more of a chore and that’s not the way it’s supposed to be.
I actually don’t mind the champ loot and farm. I rather have that than grind Cof 1 24/7 for months like many other people did in the past if I wanted a legendary or anything expensive in particular. Farming champs is really more of a choice than a chore imo. If you need to up your gold, then go for it. If not, then there are still so many other things for you to do.
I get 2-3 exotics per week on average (bonus chest, champ chest, etc.). I’ll be honest, I play probably more than the casual and that amount of exotics is ridiculously low. If that is the case, the chances of ever seeing a precursor is near impossible.
Looking to start up a champ train in frostgorge again. The recent event has disbanded it for far too long. It will be based on Black Gate server, thus, guest if you need to. If you do not know the run, you can message me (Rurounin Getsuga). Looking to make it a long term run. The more people the better.
How do you even make 150 Gold a day with dedicated farming there? LOL. I can see that happening if you get extremely lucky off a champion chest. I can farm there most of the day with near 300 MF and not even make half that amount. What made it worst was when you said “on average”. The troll is certainly strong in this one.
The savings on this is minimal. You are basicly paying 30g to not accidentally run out of salvage kits on ONE character. And it takes 600.000 uses to earn that investment back.
I personally never even hit the 500uses for monthly unless i deliberatly buy salvageables from the TP. But even if you get 1000 Salvage uses out of this each and every month you’re still looking at 50years before you earn this thing back. In otherwords, never.
NONE of the infinite use tools were made to pay for themselves. They are items of convenience, and anyone who knows anything about business knows that convenience costs extra. People don’t save money when they go for something that’s convenient.
These days a lot of supermarkets, Wal-Marts and such are open 24 hours a day, but it wasn’t always so. Gas stations added selections of snacks, groceries and such and stayed open all day, every day. They cost more, but there was a time when, if you needed something on a holiday or ran out of cigarettes at 3 am, you paid extra for the convenience of having a store that stayed open when others were closed.
Buy a single-serving bottle of soda and it will costs more than a 2-liter bottle. But stores place them next to the register so as you’re going to pay for your stuff you see them and go “oh, I’m thirsty, I’ll grab a coke.” If you’re worried about cost you would go back to the soda aisle and get a big bottle and get 10x as much for less money.
Eating in a restaurant costs a lot more than making dinner for yourself. Watch a movie in a theater or wait for it to become available on Netflix… if your main concern is cost then there are a lot of things that don’t make sense, but people do them every day because they have other priorities.
There would be no point to these sort of items then. Of course it’s for convenience. We all love that. But also, it’s so that it can help you save up. How so? You can make your hard earned gold off of the previous unlimited tools in just a matter of weeks by gathering well and hard. With this? Dream on. It undermines the very reason why we even salvage in the first place and why people use the salvage kit they do. Your reason only applies to goods for the only purpose of satisfying wants. Salvaging → profit.
If anyone is planning on getting this, I hope you all do your research in-depth or you might end up very disappointed like me. It doesn’t tell you everything you need to know beforehand -_- 800 Gem for this sort of item is no joke.
I understand it doesn’t recover upgrades (sigil/runes) from armor/weapons, but shouldn’t it hold the possibility of returning more than ONE crafting material when you salvage sometime? The basic salvage kit you can purchase does that but this one doesn’t as far as I have salvage with it. This was not a part of their advertisement.
I have bought all of the other stuff, which is what I grind my life away doing this summer. Why pursue one of the hardest thing to get first :P This whole summer was a grind just for the materials while saving up. But, I’m here to say how random the chances are, even with 1600 GS. No, I’m not saying I should have been able to buy a precursor with 300 gold. I don’t recall saying anything like that at all, which I’m confused where you got all of that assumption from.
If you do the hardest bit first (obtaining the precursor), then you can be confident that you will have the ability to do all of the easier stuff afterwards.
But if your ability to get the precursor is in doubt – because you don’t have the time and patience to save the gold for one – then why waste your time doing the easy stuff and then find out afterwards that you won’t be able to make a legendary? Best to find out earlier than later so you can move on to more enjoyable goals.
You’re not wrong at all. But, I just like to get the easier things done with first. It’s a habit.
Grinding your summer away is the problem. If this game started to be your “job” for an entire summer, quit the game, in fact probably quit gaming in general. You sound like a possible addict. Summer’s almost over, go enjoy it, go enjoy life.
I respect the last part of your comment. The rest of it was more of an insult honestly though just to let you know. The only time I have to actually play a mmorpg is during my summer break because of other priorities, which is the reason for the grind.
Ah I think I understand now. It is a fine thing to make a thread and warn everyone just how small of a chance they have to get a precursor.
The thing is, that is pretty much common knowledge at this point. Further I would hope that anyone that was planning on invested a significant amount of their gold into the attempt would do some good research and find out just what they are getting themselves into.
I truly believe you didn’t fully understand that sytem, because you seem surprised at the result.
I think the system does a good job of keeping the Legendary weapons at least some what rare. No it does not truly give a Legendary feel since aquiring one is largley based on luck or grinding. This thread has been made 1000 times and there has been very lengthy disucssions that I have participated in and out of all the complaints I have not come across a good suggestion as to how to do it better.
Lots of suggestions as to how to make it easier, but none of those retain the rariety that a Legendary status weapon should hold.
It is my fear that even this crafting system they are working on is going to make Legendary weapons much more common then (in my opinion) they should be. All this new system will be anyway is another big long grind.
What will be really interesting is if Anet doesn’t do the math right and it is actually sitll easier adn quicker to grind the gold and TP a precurosor then to do through their new time gated crafting system. Now that will be for a laugh.
Your original post just seemed silly to me that you played the odds and lost and were now quitting the game because of it, but before you left you wanted to convince us all of what a terrible system it was.
It is not a terrible system. It may not be the best system, but to me it does it’s job. And if you don’t play it right it will take you for everything you’ve got. I’m just not sure you should be blaming the sytem for that.
If it does the job for you, then that is wonderful for you. I respect your opinion
I also don’t think people truly realise what they are doing when they are gambling this way.
Now I am the first person to tell people that real world examples don’t usually apply well to MMO mechanics, however the amount of gold you are gambling for the amount of gold you stand to win way off in terms of risk vs reward considering your chance.
Everyone knows how unlikely it is to win the lottery. No one would spend 1 million dollars for a small chance to win 2 million.
No one would spend 100 million dollars for a small chance to win 200 million dollars.
No one would go into a convenience store and buy $5000 worth of scratch tickets for a chance to win the $10,000 max prize.
The OP was about half way there to saving a precursor. He risked it all for a short cut. He played the game wrong.
What I risk in the mystic forge is about on the same scale to real world lottery. I throw random rare’s I pick up every day into the forge instead of selling them or salvaging them. Every once and a while when it is the daily I’ll spend 2-3g and take a chance at the precursor I want.
I NEVER expect to win. I always expect to leave that forge with nothing, and so far that has been true. But what I gambled an amount I was comfortable getting nothing in return for. That’s gambling 101.
In the mean time I’m saving up my gold I earn through all other efforts to eventually afford a legendary.
You are correct when you say that it is hard to get. I experienced that first hand? However, I will reiterate that I spent my summer break grinding (seriously, I grind til my arms went numb) to save that up. I am fortunate to have even been able to save up that much. Again, I chose the way that worked best for me because of my lifestyle. I can’t grind for months a year without worrying about the other priorities I have, which I was fortunate enough to be able to set aside for the summer just for this one goal.
This doesn’t change the fact that you either didn’t make an informed decision or you plain out made the wrong one.
You obviously valued the gold you ground for very much, and yet you still chose to throw it all away with what you should have known was a very little chance of getting anything in return.
Most people wouldn’t come anywhere close to making a choice like that in real life, yet what is funny to me is that the concequences are not so different. The loss of happiness, and from your original post, so much so that you are giving up the game altogether.
So either you didn’t inform yourself of the odds corrected and so are therefor surprised at the result.
Or you knew full well what you were risking, and your chances of getting anything in return, but instead of owning up to your own choice you seek to pass blame on the system.
What you did is like going into a casino with a whole paycheck, walking up to the roulett table and betting it all on 00 and then proceed to yell at the dealer for taking your money.
You are correct. I fully knew the risk. However, I don’t know how many times I have reiterated that getting a legendary was my ultimate goal and that due to the fact that I have other priorities, saving over 600 Gold isn’t something I can do here. Saving 300 gold was already… pretty exhausting.
So you blame the system that you couldn’t ‘buy’ a precursor at the mystic forge for 300g, when it is being sold on the TP for over 600g?
You blame the system because your 300g guarentee something worth far more? Your 300g should have guarenteed you that precursor because it was all you were alb e to grind?
You gambled knowing the risks and you say the system is terrible because you lost?
I am willing to gamble something. I bet that you wouldn’t bet me 100g on the results of a coin toss. That seems silly right? And the chance of you winning that are much higher then pulling a precursor from the forge.
You still didn’t answe rmy other question. Do you have the rest of your precursor complete already? All your T6 mats? All your gifts? Because if you don’t, and that 300g was the total you were willing to invest in a Legendary..What did you plan to do about the hundreds of gold that it costs to get the rest of it?
I have bought all of the other stuff, which is what I grind my life away doing this summer. Why pursue one of the hardest thing to get first :P This whole summer was a grind just for the materials while saving up. But, I’m here to say how random the chances are, even with 1600 GS. No, I’m not saying I should have been able to buy a precursor with 300 gold. I don’t recall saying anything like that at all, which I’m confused where you got all of that assumption from.
It’s an issue of whether people can save money or continue to spend their funds when they have them. True, OP may have crafted/bought 1600 GS over a long period of time, but OP chose that over avoiding the MF completely and save 100%. I have little sympathy for people taking the gambling route AND gripe about it.
Opinions are opinions but I chose the way that worked most for me. I don’t have the time to grind and grind another summer break (which is almost up) to getting the rest of the gold I need. If you can and is willing, great. But, I was fortunate enough to set enough time with other priorities I have in life to even save up to 300 Gold.
What you wanted is more for less and you gambled for it. Knowing or should having been known full well what your chances of success were.
If we all could have the legendary we want for 300g gold, we’d all have the legendary we want.
You say you had the time and resources to get the 300g, then you should have been happy with what you had the time to earn. You had a choice, take that 300g and spend it on things you could afford with in the game.
Or you could risk it all for a small chance at doubling your gold value.
We all know what you chose, and you chose it knowing the risk. The system is what it is, but if you use the system knowing what it is and loose, you then blame the system.
Like I said, my one goal in the game is to get a legendary. Yes, I knew the risk. However, I spoke up about my failure because of how ridiculous the chances are.There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Yes, I’m complaining a tad about how disappointed I am and you have proven my point. The system is horrible and is worth complaining about.
That is where we disagree. I don’t think the system is horrible. I think the way you played it is.
That is the funny thing about people who gamble more then they are willing to loose.
You said you knew the risk and you took it anyway. The funny thing is if you would have got your dusk on the very last attempt in the forge, this thread would look a whole lot different.
Do I think that the current implimentation of the Legendary system is the best way to do it? By no means.
But the system as it is now, is what it is, and you play at your own risk, and you did and you lost and now you are sore about it.
But this is where we disagree. I’m not trying to say you’re wrong. You are right that saving up for it IS the best solution if you have the mojo to grind for it months long. I didn’t say you were wrong. I’m an adult who was lucky enough to spend my summer saving up 300 gold (not mentioning the amount I saved for tier 6 matts). I’m just here to voice my disappointment with the system.
I also don’t think people truly realise what they are doing when they are gambling this way.
Now I am the first person to tell people that real world examples don’t usually apply well to MMO mechanics, however the amount of gold you are gambling for the amount of gold you stand to win way off in terms of risk vs reward considering your chance.
Everyone knows how unlikely it is to win the lottery. No one would spend 1 million dollars for a small chance to win 2 million.
No one would spend 100 million dollars for a small chance to win 200 million dollars.
No one would go into a convenience store and buy $5000 worth of scratch tickets for a chance to win the $10,000 max prize.
The OP was about half way there to saving a precursor. He risked it all for a short cut. He played the game wrong.
What I risk in the mystic forge is about on the same scale to real world lottery. I throw random rare’s I pick up every day into the forge instead of selling them or salvaging them. Every once and a while when it is the daily I’ll spend 2-3g and take a chance at the precursor I want.
I NEVER expect to win. I always expect to leave that forge with nothing, and so far that has been true. But what I gambled an amount I was comfortable getting nothing in return for. That’s gambling 101.
In the mean time I’m saving up my gold I earn through all other efforts to eventually afford a legendary.
You are correct when you say that it is hard to get. I experienced that first hand? However, I will reiterate that I spent my summer break grinding (seriously, I grind til my arms went numb) to save that up. I am fortunate to have even been able to save up that much. Again, I chose the way that worked best for me because of my lifestyle. I can’t grind for months a year without worrying about the other priorities I have, which I was fortunate enough to be able to set aside for the summer just for this one goal.
This doesn’t change the fact that you either didn’t make an informed decision or you plain out made the wrong one.
You obviously valued the gold you ground for very much, and yet you still chose to throw it all away with what you should have known was a very little chance of getting anything in return.
Most people wouldn’t come anywhere close to making a choice like that in real life, yet what is funny to me is that the concequences are not so different. The loss of happiness, and from your original post, so much so that you are giving up the game altogether.
So either you didn’t inform yourself of the odds corrected and so are therefor surprised at the result.
Or you knew full well what you were risking, and your chances of getting anything in return, but instead of owning up to your own choice you seek to pass blame on the system.
What you did is like going into a casino with a whole paycheck, walking up to the roulett table and betting it all on 00 and then proceed to yell at the dealer for taking your money.
You are correct. I fully knew the risk. However, I don’t know how many times I have reiterated that getting a legendary was my ultimate goal and that due to the fact that I have other priorities, saving over 600 Gold isn’t something I can do here. Saving 300 gold was already… pretty exhausting. I am voicing my disappointment, not flaming Arenet. There is nothing wrong about that.
It’s an issue of whether people can save money or continue to spend their funds when they have them. True, OP may have crafted/bought 1600 GS over a long period of time, but OP chose that over avoiding the MF completely and save 100%. I have little sympathy for people taking the gambling route AND gripe about it.
Opinions are opinions but I chose the way that worked most for me. I don’t have the time to grind and grind another summer break (which is almost up) to getting the rest of the gold I need. If you can and is willing, great. But, I was fortunate enough to set enough time with other priorities I have in life to even save up to 300 Gold.
Then live with it and move on, don’t make another “I burned X gold/Y rates at the MF and failed” thread. You chose the path of potential least resistance, and got burned for it because RNG decided to be RNG.
With such abysmal % chance of getting a precursor from MF, be grateful we can even buy them from the TP.
What’s wrong with informing the community about what happened and about my disappointment? There’s absolutely nothing wrong about that. Yes, I lived with it and moved on. I probably wouldn’t have woke up this morning to make this thread if I hadn’t.
It’s an issue of whether people can save money or continue to spend their funds when they have them. True, OP may have crafted/bought 1600 GS over a long period of time, but OP chose that over avoiding the MF completely and save 100%. I have little sympathy for people taking the gambling route AND gripe about it.
Opinions are opinions but I chose the way that worked most for me. I don’t have the time to grind and grind another summer break (which is almost up) to getting the rest of the gold I need. If you can and is willing, great. But, I was fortunate enough to set enough time with other priorities I have in life to even save up to 300 Gold.
What you wanted is more for less and you gambled for it. Knowing or should having been known full well what your chances of success were.
If we all could have the legendary we want for 300g gold, we’d all have the legendary we want.
You say you had the time and resources to get the 300g, then you should have been happy with what you had the time to earn. You had a choice, take that 300g and spend it on things you could afford with in the game.
Or you could risk it all for a small chance at doubling your gold value.
We all know what you chose, and you chose it knowing the risk. The system is what it is, but if you use the system knowing what it is and loose, you then blame the system.
Like I said, my one goal in the game is to get a legendary. Yes, I knew the risk. However, I spoke up about my failure because of how ridiculous the chances are.There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Yes, I’m complaining a tad about how disappointed I am and you have proven my point. The system is horrible and is worth complaining about.
I also don’t think people truly realise what they are doing when they are gambling this way.
Now I am the first person to tell people that real world examples don’t usually apply well to MMO mechanics, however the amount of gold you are gambling for the amount of gold you stand to win way off in terms of risk vs reward considering your chance.
Everyone knows how unlikely it is to win the lottery. No one would spend 1 million dollars for a small chance to win 2 million.
No one would spend 100 million dollars for a small chance to win 200 million dollars.
No one would go into a convenience store and buy $5000 worth of scratch tickets for a chance to win the $10,000 max prize.
The OP was about half way there to saving a precursor. He risked it all for a short cut. He played the game wrong.
What I risk in the mystic forge is about on the same scale to real world lottery. I throw random rare’s I pick up every day into the forge instead of selling them or salvaging them. Every once and a while when it is the daily I’ll spend 2-3g and take a chance at the precursor I want.
I NEVER expect to win. I always expect to leave that forge with nothing, and so far that has been true. But what I gambled an amount I was comfortable getting nothing in return for. That’s gambling 101.
In the mean time I’m saving up my gold I earn through all other efforts to eventually afford a legendary.
You are correct when you say that it is hard to get. I experienced that first hand? However, I will reiterate that I spent my summer break grinding (seriously, I grind til my arms went numb) to save that up. I am fortunate to have even been able to save up that much. Again, I chose the way that worked best for me because of my lifestyle. I can’t grind for months a year without worrying about the other priorities I have, which I was fortunate enough to be able to set aside for the summer just for this one goal.
So people quit the game because they can’t get a precursor or legendary? Then there are people who quit once they get their legendary. I don’t see the logic. Legendary weapons aren’t the end of the game. MMOs are all about the community and making a name for yourself.
Sorry but we all play a game with different mindsets and goals. I’ve done so many of the other desired content (dungeons, events, wvw) in that game to the point where I decided that it was enough and that I finally wanted to finish it off with a legendary, my ultimate goal since I saw its beauty. You’re not wrong about the community and stuff like that. But please be considerate of people’s priorities which you may not agree with.
It’s an issue of whether people can save money or continue to spend their funds when they have them. True, OP may have crafted/bought 1600 GS over a long period of time, but OP chose that over avoiding the MF completely and save 100%. I have little sympathy for people taking the gambling route AND gripe about it.
Opinions are opinions but I chose the way that worked most for me. I don’t have the time to grind and grind another summer break (which is almost up) to getting the rest of the gold I need. If you can and is willing, great. But, I was fortunate enough to set enough time with other priorities I have in life to even save up to 300 Gold.
After what the OP posted, you’re still gonna defend Arena.Net???
The guy wants his legendary weapon. Apparently that in this game, going on an epic adventure to build your legendary weapon = standing in front of the mystic forge and dumping items.
kittening Legendary.
Wasn’t the cost of all those GS’s pretty close to the cost of just buying the thing out of the TP?
Why waste all that coin gambling when you can just buy it off some someone else who got lucky? I don’t understand why anyone would have the coin to do this, choose to gamble it away, then nerdrage when the gamble doesnt pay off, when the item could’ve been straight out purchased.
With the new event going on right now, you can craft that much with 275-300 Gold. It varies but not significantly. Not even close to over 600 Gold for dusk.
You had just spend 400G betting in your luck. Almost a precursor, so… you are doing things wrong. Soon A-net will introduce a form to craft precursors, so… stop wasting Gold guy.
I think I heard something about a scavenger hunt to getting a precursor not too LONG ago.
If you’re within 50-100g of buying it outright, then it should be a no brainer what the choice is.
At the current market, you can craft that much with 275-300 Gold which took me a long while to save up. I don’t think that falls anywhere near the over 600 Gold I need for dusk.
They were dropping sharp fangs before the second or third patching of this event. Now, they drop NOTHING. Anything strange about that? They’re practically useless to bother killing.
Are we guaranteed a bag of wondrous goods off the bosses? (troll/big spider). I’ve been running AC exp a few times and it doesn’t drop for me sometimes while it always drop for my teammates.
I’ve ran AC dungeon (exploration mode) 2-3 times and was not able to get a bag of wondrous goods off some of the bosses, such as the lieutenant/giant spider/troll. I’m not sure if it’s a glitch on my part because my team members are getting theirs each time.
Shout warrior is awesome in wvw, why would you even think of using shout warrior in pve?
The only reason why you would invest in shout warrior is for the heal trait you get off it and soldier’s rune. It EXCELS in PvE. It’s horrible investing in it in WvW, where you sacrifice damage and mobility/utility in catching and getting away from others.
7/10, lost out on 15% damage because of the change of moving Berserker’s Power. Kind of feel like Arenet wants me to go all out dps and investing 30 points in that trait line is a no no.
Warrior has shouts heal trait, constant regen with adrenaline, MINOR trait. Regen from banner. I’m sure there’s others.
You obviously don’t know warrior. Go home.
That’s true but investing in builds that utilizes those is mostly only viable in PvE, except for banners which can work for either. If you’re looking at WvW/PvP, it’s a completely different story.
Although I appreciate some of the new tweaks they gave to the warrior, I felt it was overall just a horrible change. Maxing out strength trait just to get back that one trait they had to move to masters. Sigh. Might as well just go all out berserker’s or condition damage at this point.
Hey, I’m new to engineers. Any good builds for PvE and dungeons specifically? I heard of a healing bomb build but I’m not sure how effective it is. Thanks.
I actually don’t mind this event. I appreciate that Arenet is putting effort in releasing events for us. What disappoints me though is the overall content that they’re giving us. There has rarely been any new expansion towards the storyline. Living story? That was hardly anything close to story progression and was merely just another achievement/title to obtain. We’re celebrating a “dragon” bash event and have barely even fought any of the elder dragons nor fought any of the lesser ones in general. Again, I appreciate the events but there really should have been a new major chapter in the story’s progression after all this time already, introducing us to new places/enemies.
I think the holo wings should be difficult to get, but 100k candies is ridiculous. I can see some sense in 50k but good luck on grinding (for several several several days) for that at the moment.
lordkrall is right. You should have known that it was taking a chance and many talked about the drop rate already. It would’ve just been better to stay away from those rich coffers, since it’s been a disappointment from the beginning.
I really dislike the moa racing achievement. Not only is it based on luck, but you also have to spend a good amount of silver/gold if the race doesn’t go in your favor. Very discouraging.
I actually don’t mind the wait. I think it does more good than bad. I’m not sure though but it feels like they’re harder to kill now, especially solo. That’s what’s bothering me now.
