Guild Wars 2

EremiteAngel.9765:

Before you guys jump in to say again that if they drop more often, then they lose their value, then so be it! Introduce more loot after that that are valuable when the current batch of valuables lose their value!

Loot doesn’t need to remain valuable forever! they can be replaced with newer equally valuable items after they lose their value!
The important thing is to let PvE players feel the exhilaration from finding a VALUABLE item!

Solid point.

This is how GW1 handled it. Worked for me.

As long as it’s permanent, so I can do it at my own pace I don’t mind how frequently it’s released.

But then I’m in a different situation to most of the people on this forum because I can’t devote a lot of time to the game and when I am playing I like to take my time with things so I don’t tend to burn through content faster than it can be created.

I’ve still got lots of LS2 achievements, loads of HoT stuff and even stuff from the base game that I’ve not done yet so both long breaks between expansions and short breaks between short bits of content are fine with me. I’ll always have something I can be doing while I wait.

If they were able to run the “Festivals” on a regular and expanded schedule, and fix most of their bugs, I think a lot of the casual players would be more accepting of whatever kind of updates they decide to do.

There will be no refunds or court cases or grand consumer rights action. You can argue all you like.

mrstealth.6701:

cesmode.4257:

Ragnarox.9601:

cosmicegg.8502:

I would rather they gave me what was advertised and paid for then then allow them to get away with cheating on a deal. I would accept a refund if it included all my gem purchases and then gladly say adios and consider time played as time wasted.

This. I would gladly accept refund of my 45€ for a HoT and because I will get banned after that will gladly accept 60€ for core game that I purchased 3 years ago. So thats 105€ to use on something else. Can I get that?

You want a refund for the core game too? Thats like ordering a steak at a restaurant, eating 90% of it, and then asking for a refund because it wasn’t cooked to order.

Nearly the same thing with HoT…we are how many months into the launch of HoT?

I agree that it’s extreme and unreasonable. But I also think it’s just as unreasonable for Anet to terminate the entire account in cases where only HoT was refunded (whether in full or partially).

Whether or not what you say is true, there might be a reason.

Example: If you purchased HoT…acquired HoT specific items(gear? cosmetics?)…it would be very very difficult for Arenanet to do a rollback on your account to remove all HoT specific items only and leave you with the core game(and core game items) only.

I don’t want to come off as a white knight here. Anyone who was around a few years ago knows me as a vocal opponent to Arenanets development direction and their constant redirects and misguiding statements. And any inclination that I have to reinstall the game is based solely on my desire to feel like part of a community in WvW and just get lost in the gorgeous game (and not its game systems).

Tachenon.5270:

If you’re arguing against those who hold that anet was wrong to choose to not deliver what they advertised, then you’re arguing in favor of anet not delivering what they advertise. You are, in essence, arguing in favor of anet not delivering what YOU pay for someday.

Why would you do that?

Because the content is worth paying for. I recognize that I didn’t ONLY pay for one singular feature when I got HoT.

Ashen.2907:

Anet has made no offer to make up for it.

That’s sadly where we disagree… I see the LW production as the offer… I also recognize they just haven’t delivered on it yet.

Ashen.2907:

If you seek to get your money back for this product they take away anything youve ever bought from them without compensation. They take punitive action against players seeking a refund to discourage them from doing so.

I don’t disagree that their refund policy is controversial… but it’s a refund policy that’s been in place a long time, and that is your responsibility as the other party of the user license to understand before you sign. If you disagree with their refund policy, or anything else in their eula, you don’t click that you agree to it. That’s software user 101.

And you bought a user’s licence, not a physical product… and you used it…. the ‘take away everything you’ve ever bought from them’ argument against their refund policy is incredibly flawed.

~EW

Ashen.2907:

Anet has made no offer to make up for it. They have not even apologized. If you seek to get your money back for this product they take away anything youve ever bought from them without compensation. They take punitive action against players seeking a refund to discourage them from doing so.

When you signed up for the game you agreed that anet can do anything they like.

Tachenon.5270:

If your grocer charges you for a dozen eggs but only gives you eleven, then says he’s indefinitely suspending the selling of eggs because it’s better than he should use his chickens for chicken noodle soup, then refuses to even talk to you about it, much less offer any sort of compensation for the egg you didn’t get, would you continue to shop at his store? Would you recommend his store to your friends? Would you warn your friends about this grocer’s business practices?

If your grocer advertises a special of bogo cans of green beans, then tells you they can’t deliver them because they don’t have them, they’ll try and find ways to make up for it: rain check for when it comes back, even if they don’t have an eta (‘indefinitely postpone’), corn as a substitute (increased LW production), or refund. If you no longer trust the store, and hate their business practices, then you’re gunna wind up leaving in any case and not shop there again no matter what they do… so a refund is certainly viable: you walk away with your money back, and they don’t get it.

~EW

Why are you all even still posting in this thread, none of the new legendaries even look that good, aside from the axe. Besides, they made their decision, deal with it, there’s plenty of other legendaries for you to make.

Spira.4578:

If your payment to ANET gets canceled, ANET won’t hesitate to ban your account. They won’t consider the “kitten happens” factor. They will simply act as a company and demand the user to act accordingly as well.
I see no reason why a customer should acknowledge their errors and bad company choices and just let them be, while there’s money involved.

And if you feel that ANet isn’t delivering on what you paid for, cancel your account and don’t consider the “kitten happens” factor. You can get your refund, and it won’t matter that they close your account ‘cause you’re leaving already. The sunk cost fallacy still applies here. You can walk away from them just as much as they can walk away from you.

Spira.4578:

Yea, you stated it. And you have no proof of that.

Nor do you have proof that this is an ill-considered whim. I’m going what I think is more likely, but you’re right in that both our positions are positions of belief.

Spira.4578:

You don’t let the villains be, you try to fight them and make a change.

Yup, and if the villain is a company the effective way to fight them is to not give them your business, and make it public as to why. You’ve done the latter, congrats.

Spira.4578:

Why don’t you leave since you made your position clear time and again?

ROFL, because I’m enjoying the conversations going on. I’m interested in peoples perspectives, and reasoned arguments for their positions. Also, I enjoy promoting contemplation of possible factors that aren’t being considered. In short, because I try to be as informed as I can.

Spira.4578:

Yes, an unreasonable budgeting and resource allocation. If working on a new expansion is not only slowing down but actually freezing the development of the expansion players already bought, then they should relocate their resources.
They are building the second floor while the first floor is getting on fire.

To my mind a more apt metaphor would be they’re still planning the construction of a second annex while simultaneously realizing that one of the rooms in the first annex wasn’t structurally sound. Two different annexes… two distinct considerations.

Spira.4578:

Take away 6 devs from the 70 devs in the expac team, you’ll end up with 64 devs. Still doing what they were doing, just 8.62% slower (meaning, instead of releasing the next expac in 20 months, they would release it 1 month later. This means their profit would be DELAYED by 1-2 month.
Take away 6 devs from the 6 devs in the legy team, you’ll end up with 0 devs. 0 devs = No progress at any rate.

Given that the expansion team likely consists of people in different roles, it’s just as possible that 6 devs removed from the expac team means 40% slower or any other percentage you wish to throw out there including 100%. I don’t think it’s safe to assume that every dev in that team can do the work of every other dev in that team. Likewise I don’t think it’s safe to assume that all or even most of the devs in the expac team are capable of doing the work required of the legendaries development team. Different roles mean different skill sets. Likewise we don’t know what roles in the LW team the legendaries team got moved to.

Spira.4578:

In a trade where I’m involved things will go my way. If I held my end of the deal, I expect the other side to do the same. I can accept the fact that sometimes bad things happen; and that’s why I’m open to other options – However, ANET didn’t actually present any.

Other than a greater focus on LW content, you mean?

Spira.4578:

Yea, bad things happen, however, you’re supposed to deal with those bad things by yourself or you could ASK for help.
ANET didn’t do that. They simply acted on their own without consulting with the customers who already paid to get the product in the state that it was promoted.

Consulting the customers? Customers pay for products but they don’t own the company. Even most employees don’t have the authority to consult with the leadership, and they work for the company. Further down you recognize that it isn’t feasible in this case for the company to effectively consult, so I’ll drop this for now.

Spira.4578:

How about you first stop being so holier than tho’? .

No, but thank you for asking.

Spira.4578:

And to answer to this insult. No, that’s not how things always work.
It is also an expectation for adults that they would have some sense for money value. Which you clearly don’t since you’re okay with the fact that ANET took your money but didn’t deliver the product as promoted. I’m sure you’ll “see this situation in a different way” tho,
“where ANET is the victim who simply wanted all the best for the community”.

I’ve never thought of ANet as anything more than a business. They’re not my friend, they’re a company. I think their product is awesome, and I like what I know of their employees. But, I don’t base any purchasing decisions on a digital product that hasn’t been completed. I look at digitial products as they are when money changes hands, not what their future is promised to be. I get entertainment for my money now, and when I cease getting entertainment worth my money I will move on to other sources of entertainment.

Marketing is lies. How far those lies can stretch is determined by local laws, but it is always lies none-the-less. When is the last time you ordered fast food and what you got looked like the picture?

That is one of the ways I approach money value… I base it on what’s in front of me and the information I can research about it; not on marketing. So, how is my approach to money value more flawed than yours? I make sure my digital purchases aren’t based on promises of the future. I’m sorry you didn’t do the same.

Spira.4578:

So the compensation for the customers who bought the expansion and got the expac feature canceled, would essentially be the sustainable CORE content which everyone gets for free.

LWS3 will be gated behind HoT, and that content coming faster means more of it… that is certainly a form of compensation to those in HoT. For me, it wouldn’t matter if it is Core instead of HoT; ymmv.

Spira.4578:

ROFL. Yea, you have a GREAT sense for trading.

Thank you… you intend that as an insult, but I’m taking it as a compliment. I’m happy to be open to the idea that compensation can be something other than a partial refund or a one-for-one product exchange.

Spira.4578:

Not to mention that the company is supposed to ask the customer if they are okay with the change. Clearly, something on this level can’t be done in such manner, so a partial refund should be in order (it’s being practiced with e-goods since 2015)

We agree that some type of remuneration is in order, at least. As to be expected we don’t agree on what that is.

Spira.4578:

You must be new here. That’s exactly to what ANET reacts. “Raging” on a forum and other social media.

I try to be cautious not to confuse correlation with causation. I think that ANet heavily considers player consensus, but that’s not always the same as giving in to people being vocal in social media.

~EW

Astralporing.1957:

BrotherBelial.3094:

But we did get it in the state it was advertised. Legendary weapons where always coming later.

No. That information has appeared only after the first wave of prepurchases. The first information was that a new set of legendaries was one of major parts of HoT expansion.
Also, “later” is not the same as “possibly never”.

Which is just the general take on it anyway. SAB was also coming back possibly never. Yet here we are.

Spira.4578:

Totally! We cast them as a villain because we don’t agree with their decision – Their decision to take our money for a product they now refuse to deliver.
If you do this anywhere around the world, you can get a lawsuit, meaning, you’re not acting according to the law, meaning, you’re the villain

It’s just not that simple, I’m sorry you don’t see that. You (and others) ascribe malicious intent and duplicity where there isn’t any proof of any ill intentions… in fact, there’s more evidence to the contrary. You read the announcement as “refuse to deliver,” and I read it as, “can’t deliver.” Yeah, they should have known better than to take up a project that isn’t reasonable for them to complete right now, but sometimes kittens happen, and we’re all watching how they take responsibility for that. Also, as has been stated previously, there is no way such a choice was taken lightly or without examining the laws… I’ve yet to see anyone give more than armchair legal perspectives which doesn’t prove they broke the law or are villains. Intentional or otherwise. And, if you think they’re villains, why are you bothering hanging around in their forums after you’ve made your position clear time and again?

It’s definitelly not mature to be okay with a company not delivering the product you paid for. It’s actually the opposite, as the people you see as “mature” has no sense of money value.

..another way to look at it might be the “people I see as mature” don’t have an over-inflated sense of money value. *shrugs

Spira.4578:

It has nothing to do with what he thinks. It’s simple logic.
They said “hey, we’re not gonna give you what you paid for and we’re not gonna do anything about it, sorry” and if you say something in the line of “That’s okay, It’s for the greater good”, aren0t you “meekly accepting” the situation?
/rhetorical

What decision a person comes to after they feel they’ve given the situation due consideration isn’t meekly accepting anything… it doesn’t matter whether that conclusion is “I hate ANet” or “whatevs.” A considered decision is never meek… neither are the people willing to take the time to talk about it.

Spira.4578:

Unreasonable?
I think it’s more unreasonable that they have enough money to pay 70 devs working on the next expac, while they don’t have enough money to pay 6 devs to work on the content that we bought.

No, that’s budgeting and resource allocation… Just because one feature they’re working on becomes no longer feasible, doesn’t mean they cease work on other features. Do you seriously think they didn’t consider diverting more resources to legendary weapon development?

They have to consider current content and income as well as future content and income… and yeah, people being upset about the postponement of legendaries is going to impact their future income… but not as much as ceasing development all together on the other things they’re working on to put more time into something that is currently a money/development sink.

Spira.4578:

It’s actually a very reasonable to demand for what you paid for.

And it’s reasonable to listen to when the people you paid can’t deliver, their reasons for it, and their offers of remuneration however they’re offered…. because sometimes in life things won’t go your way, and the more you know the better position you are in to make informed decisions. Throwing a temper tantrum is the purview of children. Stating you’re upset, considering the facts you have and your available options, then deciding what to do about it in a calm manner is the expectation for adults.

Spira.4578:

In similar cases, there are a few different reasonable things that could be done – all coming from the company and not the customer. The customer already paid and met their end of the deal. If the other side can’t deliver what was promised, they should, in fact, give some kind of compensation. We’re not asking for a full refund – that would be unreasonable.

Sure, I agree that some type of compensation is in order, I’ve stated that earlier, and I’ve also stated that I see the most realistic compensation would be for more investment by the company into sustainable content as a substitute for the content they couldn’t sustain. The absorption of the legendaries team by the LW team is a start to that. There might be other things ‘planned,’ but since all of that takes time are you patient enough to wait and see? This thread is evidence enough that it’s a bad idea for them to ‘advertise’ what they’re working on before it’s finished… so it’s reasonable to conclude you won’t know what you’re getting in remuneration until it goes live.

But, you also have agency. Choose to do something. Leave, stay, wait and see, talk with a lawyer, withhold money from future purchases, whatever… But, show some initiative and make a choice beyond raging on a forum.

Spira.4578:

The best thing they could do is restart this group, but we’re aware that it might not happen.
However, what could and actually SHOULD happen, is ANET, react appropriately as a company.

And, that’s where we find ourselves disagreeing. In many ways I do see them acting ‘appropriately as a company.’ You and other’s don’t agree, and that’s fair.

If the best think they could do is to “restart” the legendaries, then they wouldn’t have postponed them in the first place. It’ll go a long way to curb your anger if you accept the fact you are not in possession of all the relevant information needed to make the decision they did.

~EW

Sartharina.3542:

[…]The “Nature Theme” is only really strongly present in the new Elite Spec. […]

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Nature_Magic

Yeah. Let’s ignore one of the 5 pillars of the ranger’s core theme.

I’m not saying ‘rangers should never have guns’.

I’m saying that if they ever get guns, they won’t be rangers.

They’d be something else. We could not have that before, but now we can thanks to elite specializations.

A ranger with a rifle could become a sniper, or a hunter. But he would no longer be a ‘ranger’.

Celtic Lady.3729:

This is a really good question.

And another one…why did they work on the new legendary shortbow before more popular weapons?

Just…no…logic.

Because the Dreamer is extremely annoying.

Why are there 2 types of swords?
Why are there guns and rifles?
Why arent there polearms?
Why arent there throwable spears..?

Permanent would be great, but that will never happen. I’m actually coming to like the fact that it’s evolved into a festival now. This means guaranteed SAB each year, and with that, I’m fairly certain we’ll see new guild hall decorations and potentially new skins and achievements released in subsequent years.

Personally, I’m hoping they decide to be generous to us and simply extend it by another week. One more week of SAB! If they surprised us with that at the last minute, people would be giddy to have a slight extension to finish up their achieves or grind out more baubles for guild hall decorations. Folks would love it!

Similarly, this would give the devs an extra week of content creation/balance/bugfixes/etc that they wouldn’t have had, and likely allowing them to throw another layer of polish on whatever incoming build they have in store for us. Even if the upcoming patch is already finalized, this would provide the dev team a bit of time to “work ahead,” as it were, on larger ongoing projects or get a few errant tasks completed.

It’s a win/win!

Chant with me now, bookahs: “One more week! One more week!”

SAB is only a cool feature because it is temporary. Anet understood quite early that temp content is the best experience for players hence all LS1.
How many speak about Marionette as the most exciting boss they fought in GW2? Yet when Vinewrath was was released, everybody mentioned how it reminds the Marionette… but after 6 months few people still care about it.
Tower of Nightmare was super fun ! But it was just a zerg fest in a small map. The fact it lasted only 2 weeks makes it one of the funniest experience in the game.

If you want to continue to love SAB so much, it is better that it remains a temporary content.

mrstealth.6701:

Obtena.7952:

mrstealth.6701:

Obtena.7952:

What I know is, you don’t understand that Legendary development is causing the content drought that you think Legendary weapons are necessary to fill. You’re just grasping at any straw at this point to justify keeping Legendary development; even the ones that go against your position.

A content drought caused by 6 people being “missing” out of a 120-dev live game team? That’s quite a stretch.

If anything is low impact, it’s augmenting a 120-strong team with an extra 6 people.

Really? 5% Isn’t a big deal to you? I guess the difference between a few legendaries shouldn’t either.

If you add 5% manpower to a year’s worth of work, you end up with that job being done about 2.5 weeks faster. I don’t consider that to be a big deal.

Comparatively, taking 6 people away from a 6 person dev team…well, that’s as a high negative impact as you can possibly have without destroying work already done.

I would rather they release content they can actually deliver 2.5 weeks faster than content they can’t deliver at all.

Disambiguation:

• “Legendary weapons are cancelled.”
• “ANet is legally at fault/engaged in false advertising.”

Actually, the production of new Legendary Weapons has been suspended indefinitely. Legally, this is a postponement, not a cancellation. There was no promised delivery date, so there is no false advertising unless/until ANet declares them cancelled.

Opinion:

• The indefinite postponement of L. Weapons 2.0 25% of the way through the delivery process is not a legal issue, but it is a good faith issue. Despite what I typed in the Disambiguation portion of this post, people are perceiving that they’ve been left holding the bag. Player perceptions are a factor in player decisions to continue supporting the company.
• Mr. O’Brien stated that he was aware people would be upset. Taking the action anyway suggests that he believes drastic action is needed. What we don’t know is why. I believe, though, that the Q1 2016 NCSoft financials report might be instructive. Of course, it might not.
• Moving 6 developers off this project onto other projects is not going to have a huge impact on those other projects. It’s more likely that the process of producing L. Weapons has been deemed to be taking way more time/effort than it ought.
• If so, it’s likely the “legendary journeys” methodology that is at fault. Under this hypothesis, L. weapon production might resume at a later date once they’ve: gotten back into more regular content updates (if that happens); and after they’ve had a chance to come up with a new methodology to replace the journeys that can be accomplished without taking so long.

Spira.4578:

BrotherBelial.3094:

I remember when map packs where free, not charged £5-£10 for better maps that should have been in the game from day one, not held back. But everyone swallowed it

There’s a difference tho.
Those people got what their paid for. The additional maps were not something that were included in the original game and were also not promoted. They were add ons added later on.

In this case, we paid for this product and didn’t get it in the state that it was advertized.

In other words, in your example you’re talking about adding bonus content for bonus money.
While what happened here was adding bonus content for bonus money and then taking some of this parts away.

But we did get it in the state it was advertised. Legendary weapons where always coming later. Same as raids, sure they where a selling point of HoT, and wrongly so, but we got HoT in the state it was advertised.

mrstealth.6701:

This is a fairly non-vague statement.

Additional legendary weapons will be released in small groups at regular intervals until the full set of 16 has been added to this game.

I shouldn’t need a detailed list or picture of every screw, nut, bolt, and washer included in the box of a new desk to be confident that those items are indeed included. But Anet’s marketed legendary weapons were more specific than a vague mention of “parts included”. Not just “legendary weapons”, or “a set of legendary weapons”, but they explicitly said a “set of 16”.

And as has been mentioned a few times before, and remains true as of right now, that information is still on the HoT website.

Nope, to me that still counts as marketing and vague info. They’re telling you their intent… but nothing concrete… “set of 16” isn’t enough for me; those are just words for their intended finished product. Show me some concept art, and some lore, and some video of characters wielding them and showing off effects, and then there starts to be something substantive to base a purchasing decision on. I’ll believe the product exists when the code is done.

~EW

mrstealth.6701:

That’s certainly good advise for features that are hyped up or vaguely described. But the fact that we were getting a complete set of legendary weapons wasn’t vague info or hype. The only part left unclear was the time frame for that delivery.

I suppose that’s where we’re going to disagree, I’m sorry. I don’t remember seeing any art for the complete set, there’s no description of visual effects, no complete list of names, no lore, nothing but marketing and eventually 3(4) weapons. The weapons that are released are proof enough they made a “good-faith” attempt at delivery… but otherwise what I saw was vague info and marketing.

~EW

ZudetGambeous.9573:

bloodletting wolf.2837:

I’m fascinated by how many post the same half dozen people have made complaining about this the past 30 pages.

Well turns out not all of us are just willing to bend over and take it from Anet.

You actually don’t have a choice. Let’s be realistic about what your options are.

Spira.4578:

And that’s why the part of the community that is being rational doesn’t take you seriously.

You care enough to respond to some of my casual morning thoughts apparently.

For someone who doesn’t care about an opinion that is by nature a fleeting wind, that’s quite generous of you.

Or did you mean the almighty “community” that you speak for?

Because if you suppose you speak for the entire community of rational people, that’s pretty comical given your commentary.

I would request another representative.

Spira.4578:

No, but some simply understand the importance of money.

Yeah, if it was about money you’d probably want to get at least a partial return on your investment VS zero.

But we know it’s not about money for you. You admit as much.

The fact is at the end of the day unless you’re going to follow up on your internet tough guy act, you and I are in the same camp. You’re mad about it. I am not.

Spira.4578:

Blah blah blah ur a white knight/LOLILLPUTFANSOIMNOTASINSULTINGHUEHUEHUE

OK.

Spira.4578:

This is no way a valid argument. What you are implying is that if you don’t buy something exclusively for 1 of its attributes, you can’t complain if that attribute is never applied to the object. While it might not have been exclusive, it might have been at equaly heavy reason as some other promoted feature.

I’m not implying that, I can see the reasoning behind what you’re saying in this regard.

We do disagree on how important to the game said attribute is VS why it was put on hold for the sake of the game as a whole.

I also don’t understand some of the impassioned vitriol in all of this, like they took your firstborn, but I can accept that it’s a legitimate issue for some.

Spira.4578:

This statement is also completelly irrelevant, as we’re not demanding a full refund in the first place.

Well, great. Glad you’re staying with us. Guess you’re in my camp then. Let’s see what happens together, hm?

You can pick up your white armor at the desk.

Spira.4578:

Speaking of madmen who repeat themselves… yeah buddy. lol

We’ve long established Anet goofed in making a promise they couldn’t keep. I’ve never argued against that. No one on either side of the argument can contest that.

It’s a legitimate criticism. They owned up to it.

They’ve communicated why they’re putting newer legendary weapons on hold with the release of the new legendary shortbow, and what we can expect as a result.

It sounds reasonable. I’ve always considered legendary weapons are for a very niche audience out there.

I can honestly say I have never run into someone in-game or personally among my guilds who’s told me they bought HoT just for new legendary weapons.

A nice bonus for some, but it certainly wasn’t the prime motivating factor. That’s a new phenomenon I’ve experienced with this thread.

And you know? You’re entitled to feel that way. Strange as it seems to me it’s not my place to tell people how to enjoy their game.

(Although I’m pretty sure some here were just looking for something to burn them for and don’t honestly care about the issue)

They had to make a choice. I’m sorry for your loss in this. I’m of those who are willing to see where it goes.

If this issue is utterly insurmountable to you, you have a recourse you can take to get at least some of your money invested back and end the customer relationship with Anet.

Do as you feel necessary.

Spira.4578:

They held their end of the deal, the provider didn’t. They can and should be as cynical, salty, angry and loud as they are – and more, until they get what they paid for or at least until they would be pesented with a solution to the broken trade. (the customer didn’t pay for the development team to work on bugs. They paid for the expansion with the promoted features- so it’s only fair they would CONSULT with the customer, before using their money for other purposes. Instead they said "oh yea, sorry guys, we’re gonna use that money to fix the bugs and issues – which were present prior to the expac)

Really? Life has taught you that this is how you get your way: expressing your anger loudly, being salty and cynical? Cynicism is not constructive and throwing a tantrum most likely won’t lead to your desired results. Most children in the world (the ones whose parents/guardians actually have a backbone, that is) can tell you this. Just imagine how you would respond to someone treating you that way, whether you’ve actually wronged him or not. Is this the only way to get through to you if the roles were reversed? If so, I can understand your point of view, but it also comes off as pretty closeminded. Whether you’re justified or not, it’s best to take the high ground and show some maturity. People are much more likely to take you serious and listen to you then.

Also, game developers asking players if they’re allowed to fix bugs? You have quite a warped sense of reality, in my opinion. There are bugs in every MMO and there are always developers working on fixing those bugs. Name one MMO in the history of MMO’s that never had bugs. Never have I seen a player demanding that developers ask their consent for fixing those bugs; it’s assumed to be part of the deal, to keep the game working, and that means fixing bugs that unavoidably will turn up throughout the years. You pay for continued access and for a game that has events, instances and mechanics that work. Keeping the game free of bugs as much as possible is part of that deal. You do not directly pay a game developer’s employees and therefore do not decide what they should or shouldn’t do or, looking at it from your perspective, are or aren’t allowed to do. That is not what the price of a game stands for and you know that very well. No matter that your words hold some truth to them, that does not hide the fact that you’re overreacting, which is an emotional response. Emotional responses are good, in a way, because that probably means you care about the game. But don’t leave reason by the wayside.

And no, I am no white knight. I, too, am of the opinion that ANet owes us more than just an apology and content they’re working on for the near future. That content was always going to come sooner or later so it has no bearing on their decision to indefinitely cancel (and we all know what that means in business terms) new legendary weapons. No matter their intention, by marketing a priced product with certain aspects, you create the expectation that said aspects will be part of the package you decide to pay for, even if those aspects are said to come later and not at the release date. And that makes you responsible to uphold the image you created, whether it was meant to be carved in stone or fluid. Heart of Thorns was marketed as introducing 16 new legendary weapons to be released at regular intervals. It wasn’t marketed as setting up a system that would enable them to easily add new legendaries with future patches/expansions. That is how they advertised the Mastery system, for instance, but not the new legendary weapons. I don’t find this decision a healthy one in the short term, but I’m sitting back and waiting to see how this will play out in the long term (because any planning done for a MMO is a long term plan, which means you can only reasonably pass your final judgement on it when that term has passed). New legendary weapons were part of the reason I bought Heart of Thorns, but by no means the only one. I feel like I’ve had more than my money’s worth in the almost 6 months the expansion has been live, despite the disappointment of no more legendary weapons, but that’s an entirely personal judgement only I can make. But please, don’t act like this is the end of the world or any other sort of traumatic experience that would actually merit an emotional overreaction. It is just a game, after all, and it should have no bearing on your life or person. If it does, well, that’s an entirely different discussion.