Guild Wars 2

Soleil.1304:

Obtena.7952:

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many at what cost.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering; nothing ingame right now demonstrates the mechanics necessary for mounts. All the collision, animation, artwork, etc… would need to be coded.

On the other hand, I can think of two things that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective than mounts because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

I think in a way us as a community are simply just complaining and asking ANET to simply fix all these problems. I don’t think that’s fair for ANET.

I think us as the community need to put our money where our mouth is and actually invest in this game so that the devs can attack those problems effectively.

Mounts gives us the community a good opportunity to do just that. Invest in the game. And mounts are usually one of the highest priced items in MMOs. That’s one of the reasons why I picked it.

We always have the choice not to buy them. We already have speed buffs to get us by. But having the mount available just helps us the community to invest in the game and get something nice out of it too. I honestly think this is a win win situation.

Throwing money at a problem doesn’t fix the problem. How that money is spent is how the problem is fixed. If ANet doesn’t put the money towards the problem, the problem doesn’t get fixed. We unfortunately can’t tag our money as “only to be used to fix WvW issues” or “to fix crashing issues only”. ANet gets free reign over how it spends the money.

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

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Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Until they figure out the major core issues, any gem sales are likely to be too adversely affected to have any huge affect.

People aren’t going to buy gems if they’re crashing.

People aren’t going to buy mounts if they’re having FPS issues.

People who mostly play WvW aren’t going to be happy to fork over money to ANet for mounts if WvW is still in its current state.

People aren’t going to buy mounts in drove if they have no where to take those mounts (lack of content problem). HoT maps aren’t exactly designed for traditional mounts and flying mounts would negate the entire gliding and mushroom jumping masteries. And anger a lot of players. Someone will ask for flying mounts if non-flying mounts are added. You might not, but someone else will.

Looking at all the people farming for [Winter’s Presence] I’m pretty sure plenty of people will buy the mounts regardless.

But that’s in game progress. Not spending real money. A player’s desire to spend time to farm and a player’s desire to spend real money are not based on the exact same conditions.

I’d be more likely to farm the gold to convert to gems buy a mount than open up my wallet if I had crashing issues or was a WvW player. Which doesn’t give ANet any money.

And you’d have to be very careful with the price of the mount to not make it too out of reach for players who can’t spend money on gems. Otherwise you turn the game into pay to win in that area and that will anger a lot more players, even players who would have otherwise loved collecting or buying mounts.

Soleil.1304:

Obtena.7952:

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many at what cost.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering; nothing ingame right now demonstrates the mechanics necessary for mounts. All the collision, animation, artwork, etc… would need to be coded.

On the other hand, I can think of two things that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective than mounts because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

I think in a way us as a community are simply just complaining and asking ANET to simply fix all these problems. I don’t think that’s fair for ANET.

I think us as the community need to put our money where our mouth is and actually invest in this game so that the devs can attack those problems effectively.

Mounts gives us the community a good opportunity to do just that. Invest in the game. And mounts are usually one of the highest priced items in MMOs. That’s one of the reasons why I picked it.

We always have the choice not to buy them. We already have speed buffs to get us by. But having the mount available just helps us the community to invest in the game and get something nice out of it too. I honestly think this is a win win situation.

You’re not saying anything substantial here; Yes, we know that we have the option to buy things we like in the GS and not buy things we don’t. That’s not in question. What we are talking about is how mounts compare to other offerings Anet could introduce in the GS.

I’ve provided two examples of what I believe would be easier, more cost effective and generate more revenue than mounts. I’m challenging the idea that your thread’s intention is to ‘help’ Anet make money with a poorly thought out suggestion to sell mounts in the GS.

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Until they figure out the major core issues, any gem sales are likely to be too adversely affected to have any huge affect.

People aren’t going to buy gems if they’re crashing.

People aren’t going to buy mounts if they’re having FPS issues.

People who mostly play WvW aren’t going to be happy to fork over money to ANet for mounts if WvW is still in its current state.

People aren’t going to buy mounts in drove if they have no where to take those mounts (lack of content problem). HoT maps aren’t exactly designed for traditional mounts and flying mounts would negate the entire gliding and mushroom jumping masteries. And anger a lot of players. Someone will ask for flying mounts if non-flying mounts are added. You might not, but someone else will.

Obtena.7952:

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering. I can think of two that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

To add to this:

And gem sales may go up if they open up lines of communication and tell us about future plans for WvW or the crashing or the FPS issues. Because WvW has been playing second fiddle for too long and is literally dying due to it’s current state. I don’t know about you, but a game where I crash all the time or I have horrible FPS issues, I’m not too willing to fork over the money.

Soleil.1304:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Soleil.1304:

LastHope.8127:

People argument against mounts because we have waypoints. Mounts should be rewarded AFTER 100% map completion so that A: people do the map completion and B: if you make an alt you don’t have to go trough the painstakingly slow progress of walking around the entire world again.

I hate map completion so I don’t like this idea. However, it does keep the waypoints useful. Just one more idea to throw in, but I think we still agree: mounts would be an exciting update.

For a minority.

No, just no. We have enough posts to support the claim that it is more in the majority.

Not really. In the main mount thread, most of the posts are people saying no with one of three animated gifs of someone hitting a dead horse.

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many at what cost.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering; nothing ingame right now demonstrates the mechanics necessary for mounts. All the collision, animation, artwork, etc… would need to be coded.

On the other hand, I can think of two things that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective than mounts because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

To be honest, I think your whole thread is just a poorly disguised attempt to complain that GW2 doesn’t have mounts. Your arguments are just soo weak, thin and some cases, irrelevant.

Soleil.1304:

Obtena.7952:

Is that right? You didn’t say the ONLY thing?

Soleil.1304:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/GW2-2016-A-message-to-devs-and-players/first

this thread will give you a better idea of the downward spiral that needs to be stopped. Only mounts can do it.

This is the challenge I’ve already put to you that you refuse to address; WHY mounts? You claim only mounts will save this game from ‘sinking stock prices’ (I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you mispoke or made an inappropriate correlation between NCSoft and Anet here). Why not something else like a gathering tool that has a chance to drop a needed materials or something else more relevant to the gameplay? Mounts would be such a nothing feature in this game.

Take it into context. This is regarding the downward spiral. And I truly believe mounts are the simplest and most cost effective way to do it.

The GW2 game as whole needs a lot of work beyond just mounts to have the perfect fix.

So not just mounts as a whole. But for the downward spiral, mounts is the turning point they need. Something fresh, something new, something a lot of people want, and simple and easy. Also, something people are willing to pay a lot for. This has been proven by other mmos. People pay a lot for mounts, we all know this.

But are they willing to spend a lot of money on a game they don’t like the direction of? That they have more issues with than the lack of mounts?

If the game constantly crashes or has low FPS for you are you willing to spend the money for 1700 gems to buy a mount that won’t stop the crashing and/or isn’t going to look pretty due to your FPS issue workaround or only makes your FPS issue worse?

If you’re angry at the WvW or PvP situation but play PvE regularly still, are you going to be willing to give ANet money for mounts without some positive solution for those areas of the game?

Your idea is not a solution because you don’t know if it would generate more income than it would cost to create. Furthermore, you don’t know if there is something for the same cost that would generate MORE income than mounts. I would be pretty sure that there are LOTS of features Anet could create that would generate more income than mounts AND cost less to develop.

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

http://massivelyop.com/2015/11/04/ncsoft-q3-2015-financial-report-guild-wars-2-wildstar-all-game-sales-down/

There. You person who can’t do their own research. What has your mother taught you? Do your homework!

I can’t baby sit you and tutor you and have a convo about saving this game all at the same time.

Fiscal Quarter 3 goes from July 1 through September 30. That means anyone who pre-ordered or bought HoT after September 30th are not included in those numbers. And given how slowly ANet trickled information out, could be a large portion of players. There was a content drought in 2015 so that also affected sales for 2015 Fiscal Quarter 3. If 2016 Quarter 1 numbers are down, then there will be a stronger case for ANet being in trouble. 2016 Quarter 4 numbers will likely be up due to HoT’s release.

NCsoft’s current stock prices say no to that.

Stocks can go down because of corporate problems. The stocks could be going down due to one of the other games under NCSoft’s banner. You can’t say the stocks going down are due to GW2.

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

Nothing in that link is a stock price and furthermore, that’s NCSoft financial report, not ANet; this just reinforces the fact you don’t understand the relationship these two companies have and how one impacts the other. Let’s put aside the fact you have no idea about the ‘business’ stuff. Let’s move on to what you wanted to focus on:

I’m still waiting for you to explain how mounts is the only thing that will save the game … based on a logical argument related to lore.

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

Soleil.1304:

It’s clear that you don’t understand. Thanks for trying though.

Funny, you only want to talk lore, then when I challenge your idea from a lore standpoint, you blow me off like I’m too stupid to understand whatever explanation you could give me that links riding animals to lore (which you haven’t done yet, which you need to do if you do want people to talk only about lore for your idea).

It’s your argument; you need to explain your correlation between lore and mounts better, because if I’m not getting it, you’re doing a bad job. It’s interesting you’re implying I don’t understand, but you can’t explain how out of all the things ANet could offer in the GS, mounts are THE saving feature for the game. Trust us, we aren’t hen pecked morons. If you’re so certain and you have this all figured out, it should be easy for you to do so.

BTW, if your going to throw numbers around for whatever data you think is relevant , provide links so people can access your data. You’re not credible at this point; these are your first posts on this forum and I don’t think you have the experience ingame or out to make sensible suggestions anyone should listen to. You’re not saving any time by throwing around arguments to whatever issue you want to confound people with at your leisure.

Soleil.1304:

Going back to the OP and the reason for me still being here:

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Anyway, if this is about lore now, shouldn’t a new thread be started in the Lore forums or this one moved and retitled?

Soleil.1304:

If you know anything about investor pressure, you’ll know what I mean. All the investors who invested in June looking forward to the release date stock rise are probably furious that they lost more than 10% and still haven’t climbed back up even though the release happened a long time ago. I admit it is still on the rise, but it still hasn’t hit the goal even with all the gemstore item releases.

exactly why there needs to be more kittens. Heck the model is already in the game, so its even cost efficient!

Kittens are the way to go for gem sales!

Soleil.1304:

Let’s talk about lore more.

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

I don’t understand what that has to do with lore at all. Just because it’s completely reasonable for the races to ride mounts doesn’t automatically lead anyone to conclude it MUST be introduced to the game for players and that it enhances lore.

If you JUST want to argue based on lore, then the obvious question is if mounts are the most pressing issue that needs to be addressed to improve lore. I’m doubtful it is. In fact, I can’t even understand how the ability to ride a mount affects lore at all. Is my story or immersion enhanced if I’m on a horse, or whatever animal you want to mount? That’s a pretty weak basis to argue for mounts.

You can’t ignore the business side here. Nothing you have written in this thread makes me or anyone else think that mounts are the silver bullet to save the game, especially based on lore. Especially since you haven’t thought of impacts of such a development would require for resources. Not to mention you don’t understand the fact that your basing your whole argument off a poor stock price for a company that doesn’t have publicly traded stocks to begin with. ><

Soleil.1304:

Pandaman.4758:

Obtena.7952:

Stock prices are not an indication of how GW2 performs as a game.

Well, since ArenaNet is a privately traded company it doesn’t have a public listing and thus none of us would know what its price is, but let’s not let facts get in the way of anything.

Also stop picking on Soleil.

Look up NCsoft and Anet. You can find them. You’re welcome.

Shh, shh, it’s okay, we’ll just wave the make believe wand and pretend NCSoft is the same as ANet, and that they aren’t a publishing company that has other products that influence its profitability.

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Let’s talk about lore more.

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Lets talk more about kittens cause its the real way to save the game.

No

Yes. You said we could talk about ideas to save the game.

Kittens will save the game

No

yes

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Soleil.1304:

Endless Soul.5178:

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Yep, came to that conclusion about halfway through the first page.

Why hasn’t this been merged with the well-known Mounts thread by now? Are the mods on vacation?

Again, it’s not about just the mount. It’s about saving this game. Stock prices are still too low. And, mounts would be a natural pleasant boost to the income as well as the lore.

Here is the problem: You haven’t explained why mounts would be better at saving the game, generating income and enhancing lore than anything else that Anet could create. Frankly, I think mounts as you suggest them is not a well thought out idea; with the abundance of spped buffs, it’s very unlikely someone will pay gems to get an effect most professions have access too as part of their regular toolset.

You haven’t considered opportunity cost, value for money, nor have you considered how Anet has been developing the game over the last three years. Your whole proposal shows a significant lack of understanding. The whole idea that mounts, that offer practically nothing, would boost sales so significantly compared to other things in the GS, enough so to ‘save’ the game is completely preposterous. At this point, I can only think you believe people are just stupid enough to believe you or you have no idea WTH your talking about.

Furthermore, stock prices are not an indication of how GW2 performs as a game or a money earner. Just throwing mounts into the Gemstore is not a solution to whatever you think ails the game.

Pandaman.4758:

Soleil.1304:

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Welcome back Panda. Again, I addressed it and posted again in collected form. You can leave me alone yes so go already? lol.

Hey now, don’t look a gift horse in the mouth (hey, there’s your mount), I’m just telling people to stop picking on you, since you’re clearly having problems fending them off

whatevah! whatevah! i do what I want!

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Yep, came to that conclusion about halfway through the first page.

Why hasn’t this been merged with the well-known Mounts thread by now? Are the mods on vacation?

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Guess you’re right, at least we tried.
Have fun, mounted savior of the game.

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

OP has not shown any correlation that mounts would improve the game, much less save it. Claiming a feature would save the game, just so you can get cheap runspeed boost is not all that clever.

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Bellatrixa.3546:

Soleil.1304:

Squee.7829:

And I’ll remind you that teleporting through a dense jungle is still infinitely preferable to riding a horse/motorcycle through it. Terrain isn’t an issue. It’s not worth discussing.

Please read the comments before you post yours. We’ve already addressed the teleport vs mount issue. If you’re not going to read up on the conversation, don’t expect us to entertain your uninformed comments out of the blue recesses of your mind.

And yet saying that, you haven’t read all the posts yourself and haven’t answered this question which people have repeatedly asked:

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

Soleil: You suggest that “Mounts will save this game”.

Question:

1. What do you propose the game need saving from?
2. How will the introduction of Mounts facilitate this redemption?

Haha I already answered this. Moving on.

Where?
Can’t find any post that quotes and replies those questions in your post history.

You must look harder and come to a full understanding.

Or you can provide the evidence, if it exists.
If your next post doesn’t provide it we can simply assume it doesn’t.

Soleil.1304:

Bellatrixa.3546:

Soleil.1304:

Squee.7829:

And I’ll remind you that teleporting through a dense jungle is still infinitely preferable to riding a horse/motorcycle through it. Terrain isn’t an issue. It’s not worth discussing.

Please read the comments before you post yours. We’ve already addressed the teleport vs mount issue. If you’re not going to read up on the conversation, don’t expect us to entertain your uninformed comments out of the blue recesses of your mind.

And yet saying that, you haven’t read all the posts yourself and haven’t answered this question which people have repeatedly asked:

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

Soleil: You suggest that “Mounts will save this game”.

Question:

1. What do you propose the game need saving from?
2. How will the introduction of Mounts facilitate this redemption?

Haha I already answered this. Moving on.

Where?
Can’t find any post that quotes and replies those questions in your post history.

Soleil.1304:

Blude.6812:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Mounts-merged/first

OLD conversation.

Mods please merge.

This is not a conversation only about mounts. It’s also about saving this game.

I for one know for sure that if ANET makes more money, the better the game will become. Skilled engineers working on a game that’s already good is a recipe for success.

Again, this is about saving the game and mounts is a MUST for that. I’ve already agreed to many posts suggesting other improvements. Mounts is an easy addition that will change gw2 for the better forever.

Then don’t call it Mounts will save this game. You are trying to hide behind an old topic that has been dismissed time and time again. It’s why Anet has kept all discussions about mounts merged. Start a topic about what you do to ‘save’ the game and exclude mounts. It is nothing more than an attempt to resurrect a dead topic.