Seeing as the map bonuses are reward tracks and we also have reward tracks in other areas of the game I had a good idea. A tracker element would be quite useful to visualize the progress on the track. This element would be in the area of the screen our achievement tracking etc is located. This visual element in the tracker would be the icon and name of the next reward. Upon mousing over it you would see a summary progress indicator with the next rewards icon and name shown.
For example this could be similar to the mouse over for achievement progress. Line one current progress in points out of total points to next reward and icon and name of the reward after that. And it could have a line two for total progress in points out of points for the whole track. This would be especially useful in world zones where it is unclear exactly what we get and when. And would save us from having to view the full screen map, zoom to the correct zoom, and finally mouse over to see the “next reward”. And then still not know exactly when we are supposed to get that reward.
And lastly clicking on the tracker would bring up and new UI element (either new panel or tab in an existing panel whatever works best) with the complete track shown with progress indicator below it. This would be similar to what we see now in PvP reward track UI except this would be full detail of every reward on the track not just at X percent and all the stuff in between not shown. And since this would be a new UI panel it would be usable for providing greater detail to the PvP reward track as well. A click for more details kind of thing could be added to the existing UI for the track to bring up this new UI element.
As long as you understand it’s better to have no mount, than to be mounted by your mount or the need to read the thread(s) regarding mounts….
I think I’m sure this stuff is just a mountain of text about mounts, and I’m not waiting to have it reach the amount of positive reviews. And I’m sure you’ll be sure this is a mountain which will not be scaled as mounting an expedition to get mounts is a serious waste of time, which already amounts to days if not weeks of lost time due to the mountain of posts created by the mountain of people trying to mount arguements for or against mounts.
And it still mounts up to nothing: you need to drill to find mounts or sweep this subject, being mounts, under the carpet with a broom.
And thats about it… for mounts. I hope I mounted a good post about the amount of useless time spend to get useless mounts.
I hope this post doesn’t amount to things which need to be corrected as I think I mounted a good defence against the introduction of mounts.
Oh and sorry for the typo’s, the mountain of those still amazes me. each time I try to add something the number seems to mount…
23 lvl 80’s, 9 times map, 4ele, 4ncr, 3war, 3grd, 3rgr, 2thf, 2msm, 1eng, 1 rev.
Been There, Done That & Will do it again…except maybe world completion.
And how do you feel when somebody like nVidia or Razor next-level-meta is to create a unique virtual company for use in virtual games? They may or may not even advertise specific products, but everybody will know who it is because of brand awareness. The advertise world leaked into my real world without me voting for it. It leaked onto the TV, the web, everywhere. They will find a way to leak into virtual environments and it will likely be worse than I can possibly imagine.
Places without roads will opt to use horses because they can’t afford roads. Wether it be because it’s a poor country or because the terrain makes infrastructure too costly to bother with. Not because they think horses are pretty. And again, teleportation would make those obsolete. Especially if teleporting cost less than buying, caring for, and constantly feeding a large animal. Literally the only reason people would ride horses is for recreation.
So, not wrong. I challenge you to find any developed country with mass transit that still uses horses as its primary method of transportation.
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Mounts (and even horses specifically) are sometimes referenced in really obscure places. The novels had horses randomly in a field and I’m pretty sure there’s a story about King Thorn riding or being knocked off of a horse sometime when he was alive.
In Guildwars 1 dwarves often rode on dolyaks (that loved knocking you down all the time) and even drakes. Canthans rode on turtles.
So Tyria has learned all about riding on animals, it’s just they choose not to because it’s an obsolete mode of transportation. The same reason we don’t ride horses today.
And the same reason people will stop buying cars if we ever discover a way to teleport to where we need to go for a few dollars.
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An entire world with no mounts for player NOR NPC’s is just too unrealistic. Every civilization has used them and yet Tyria can’t figure out how to tame a few? How dumb are these inhabitants? I’m sure humans will have a chance against the centaurs if they had mounts. The tactical advantage is obvious and yet the humans don’t have a cavalry?
While you are correct that it seems unlikely that no one has mounts, do keep in mind mounts have – or probably have – gameplay implications you need to worry about.
The biggest two are:
Enemy danger is lost as you traverse their sphere of influence faster. Some areas in HoT zones for example are very dangerous on foot, especially because they lack easily reachable spots to start gliding from. Mounts would partially or entirely trivialize these areas, robbing the world not only of danger, but also of believable setup. Something you want to achieve with mounts, not lose.
Increased speed from mounts (if this is a thing? or same as OOC runspeed buff?) would decrease the effective size of the world. Granted given waypoints this is a comparatively minor thing in GW2, but it’d still exist. MMOs largely rely on their land size and sheer scale to provide space for players and make players who end up in proximity team up on the spot. Removing the scale is never a positive thing for a MMO.
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a) To the people who claim the game needs saving, it’s doing real bad, it’s gonna die!!1! and anyone that compares “some numbers” out there will come to the same conclussion, can you please provide your source? Remember your source must have a very large sample size, game has at least 3.5m paid accounts and 7m since the f2p release according the Anet’s own infographic.
b) To the people who claim mounts will save us from our doom and that noone has ever argued agaisn’t it succesfully, can you please argue in favor for it? Things like “I want it!” or “it worked in that other game” or “whoever disagress with me is wrong, na na na naaaa!” are not valid arguments.
Thanks in advance.
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forum dwellers would go nuts about the need to
“grind” to get exp, new swords, new potions etc
1. 1700 gems is a lot.
2.. Most civilizations of a “medieval” time don’t have instant time transportation, where you can go across the world and still be at the same second as you were when you went through.
3. Mounts are technically in the gem store already. Broomstick, Drill, Carpet.
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Game needed mounts and that’s something no one has ever managed to successfully argue against and thus it isn’t truly a dead horse.
Nobody has ever successfully argued in favor of this game needing mounts as far as I know (the argument always seems to be “I want it” and/or “other games have it”).
If nobody successfully argues we do need them we can reasonably say we don’t need them. (whether they would be a positive addition to the game or not is an entirely different argument.)
However instead of the simply mount system anet instead went with the useless clutter route. Swiftness, SuperSpeed, Traits, Runes, WP(WP are farther apart in HoT), S. Step, Signets, Speed Mushrooms, cosmetic mini mounts, gliding, and much more exist in the game and all of it is a pile of overlapping and useless clutter. Your builds are basically handicapped because many trait or slot for speed for example.
All of that and more that will no doubt happen in the future already exists in this game and it’s all pointless clutter and dev time which can all be given the boot with a simple mount system. More importantly the mount system is even superior to this cluster**** we have today since your not stacking, recasting, and so forth to keep up your speed.
Mounts are too little to late
Lastly if we had mounts then maybe the map desing wouldn’t be tiny little cut of sections and corridors as it currently is in HoT.
I agree there is a design flaw in how out of combat speed is handled. However that could be fixed by giving a 25% boost to out of combat speed and letting speed boosts not work out of combat; except in PvP, which would problaby be better off with the current mechanics.
Which seems like a far simpler solution than mounts to me.
Saying mounts would save the game is like saying traveling is somehow a big issue. Of all the things I’ve heard people complain about in GW2, travel has never come up. Say what you will about anything else, but this game freaking nailed moving about the maps.
Mounts would do literally nothing but give you something pretty to sit on. Traveling is already instantaneous. And while, despite being next to useless, people still demand mounts. And that’s fine. I don’t mean to say there’s anything wrong with wanting mounts. But if this game really needs saving, adding a useless animal/object to sit on that has no real function will not be the thing that does it.
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First they walked, then they ran, then they ran a little faster, then they rode, then they rode a little faster, then they flew, then they flew a little faster. At each stage of the game the old ways became less relevant. At each stage of the game the community became more scattered. At each stage of the game some became materially superior to others in the game. At each stage the game became less and less about the players and more about the gimmicks and then the game became irrelevant.
But then, just as I had given up hope of finding another game, another community, I found GW2 and it’s community of friends. We all walked and ran and gated our way though a vast and completely open world where the game was relevant and the players were relevant and, for the most part, people actually help each other.
And, now you want to start the cycle all overt again? Now you need a mount? Why? To make the world smaller somehow, to make the people less friendly somehow, to divide rather than unite us somehow? Nay, and nay again say I, a thousand times nay. If you wish to ride there are other games where the people are disconnected from each other and the players and developers no longer speak the same language. But they ride and fly and are irrelevant.
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First they walked, then they ran, then they ran a little faster, then they rode, then they rode a little faster, then they flew, then they flew a little faster. At each stage of the game the old ways became less relevant. At each stage of the game the community became more scattered. At each stage of the game some became materially superior to others in the game. At each stage the game became less and less about the players and more about the gimmicks and then the game became irrelevant.
But then, just as I had given up hope of finding another game, another community, I found GW2 and it’s community of friends. We all walked and ran and gated our way though a vast and completely open world where the game was relevant and the players were relevant and, for the most part, people actually help each other.
And, now you want to start the cycle all overt again? Now you need a mount? Why? To make the world smaller somehow, to make the people less friendly somehow, to divide rather than unite us somehow? Nay, and nay again say I, a thousand times nay. If you wish to ride there are other games where the people are disconnected from each other and the players and developers no longer speak the same language. But they ride and fly and are irrelevant.
i wouldnt mind mounts but i didnt knew this game needed to be saved.
It doesn’t… its just all those stressed out people who don’t get what they want right here and now who are leaving because the game have some challenging moments that no other games provide…
It’s not a big problem if a couple of people leave because of this reason.
It becomes a huge problem when you have a mass exodus.
From 1-10 in terms of urgency, I’d say we’re at about 6 in terms of needing salvation.
A game like Diablo 3 would be at around 15. “Begone already.”
And where does this idea of an exodus come from? The only exodus I know of, is the one from wvw/pvp to pve…
Sure there’s a few people leaving because of the economy, but no, I don’t think the game needs saving… on the contrary as far as I can see the game is running smoothly as ever. People have been babbling about this since launch and yet, Anet have sold more than 5million copies of the game prior to HoT being released.
I can in no way feel in game that people should be leaving, on the contrary it seems more populated than ever…
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Well, at least this thread should have some consistency. I stand by my post. If you don’t agree with me, of course I’m going to think you’re wrong. That should be a given.
What’s consistent is we gt a thread about mounts at least twice a month now. The horse is so dead and beaten that people don’t even try anymore and its down to “I’m right, you’re wrong. Nyah nyah!”
Okay well then lets keep it simple.
I’m right.
So lets gooooo get some mounts in!!!
And then it draws down to a child holding their breath
No, it is the entire mount community. Clearly you don’t see the magnificent beauty of mounts. That’s okay, but try not to get in our way.
Well, at least this thread should have some consistency. I stand by my post. If you don’t agree with me, of course I’m going to think you’re wrong. That should be a given.
What’s consistent is we gt a thread about mounts at least twice a month now. The horse is so dead and beaten that people don’t even try anymore and its down to “I’m right, you’re wrong. Nyah nyah!”
Okay well then lets keep it simple.
I’m right.
So lets gooooo get some mounts in!!!
And then it draws down to a child holding their breath
Well, at least this thread should have some consistency. I stand by my post. If you don’t agree with me, of course I’m going to think you’re wrong. That should be a given.
What’s consistent is we gt a thread about mounts at least twice a month now. The horse is so dead and beaten that people don’t even try anymore and its down to “I’m right, you’re wrong. Nyah nyah!”
To sum up this thread: the OP proclaims infalibilty, knowledge of the future (will give anet monies to “save” the game(no idea the game was dying and inb4 you can just see it)), and if you don’t agree with him you are just wrong and should flatout leave.
Hmmmmm. The question is, are you cheating on Guild Wars 2 when you play other games? I’m going to say it’s fine, as long as you don’t let Guild Wars 2 know about it. Divorces are so messy and paying alimony to a game you know longer play would be the pits. ^^
However, this game is time consuming. Maybe play on alternate days. Guild Wars 2 one day. Another game the next.
Everyone wants to act like PC principal these days. Force these wacked out perspectives on people over small things. It’s just a game. Fantasy. If you can’t distinguish what’s Real Life, and what’s a game- You shouldn’t be playing.
GW1 was a wonderful game and did not have fast mounts, not every game has to be the same. As for stone age, well this is a game, if every game was the same it would be dull, there are many many mmorpg with mounts, choice is good.
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’I just hate it when developers keep bringing back old stuff. If you like to repeat history and keep doing what you’ve been doing, you should go back to WoW. They’ll give you lots of the “same thing.”
Mounts that give speed boosts are old hat, they introduce lazy ‘ride past content’ behaviour, unless as i said at best they dont offer a speed boost’
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