Guild Wars 2

we are just the bullied nerds that decided to team up against the bully warriors

Sinbold.8723:

Just curious- if GvG is your thing, why not make a guild team for team pvp?

lol just proved you don’t know what gvg in gw2 is.

Condition is better but not because it does more damage. Conditions have less barriers to do their damage and most often have to be cleansed with skills rather than dealt with passively. This means enemies use much needed skill slots to negate them rather than being more optimal at whatever their role is. Lastly, conditions provide effects other than damage which is where, in my opinion, their value actually comes from.

TLDR version, spec power damage and condi duration.

Sylli.3891:

Hammerguard.9834:

The problem with condi damage seeming so strong is the players. Either they’re running condi duration food and you’re not, you have extremely low vitality because you and everyone else thinks you only need toughness, or you aren’t running good condi cleanse. Then you come on the forums and cry about how condi is kittenting on you.

ye i am playing a guardian and i got full condition remove say hey to 4 spem condition ea sec i kittening remove that much ea sec. the problem it that guard dont get more the 20 k hp and its 1 of the lowest healing pool

If you are dying to conditions as a guardian you are doing something wrong.

I say this from a Zerker Guardians perspective.

You dont need to blow your condi cleanse on 2 stacks of bleeding, get runes of the hoelbrak, dont sit in red AoE’s, use blinds effectively.

With our rules we’re lucky if we reach 5k condition damage. Conditions take time to set up and even with the setup they’re pressure rather than burst, so it’s not really a fair comparison

My apologies for taking so long with the mesmer/warrior burst by the way!

EDIT: Long story short, I found out I really am going to the university (Yay! ), so I had to submit applications for housing and send confirmations that yes, I do indeed want to study there and what not, so I’ve been a bit distracted. The actual calculations should be quick to do once I get back to doing things.

You still need one more before you can beat the 14 weeks straight for SF/ET/FC, EBay/AR/BP or BG/JQ/SoR.

Necro with hammer FTW

Camelot unchained, what a glorious day that will be.

Btw, low tiers don’t even know what GvG is, let alone skill groups.

I was defeated by a condi build, please nerf conditions Anet! My tank build was unable to stop every type of build, please nerf stuff Anet. I was beaten by a player, please nerf PvP Anet.

Seriously, is this happening?

Let me put this list here again in one of these threads.

Popular WvW Roaming setups

Warrior:
Sw/Sh+GS = Power because lol GS in a condi build
S/S+LB = Condi
Mace/Sh+GS Power
Hammer + GS = Power
Axe/Mace+GS= Power

Thief:
P/D = Condi
P/D = Power
D/P= Power
S/D = Power
S/P = Power
You have a bow your probably = Power

Mesmer:
PU hybrid = Power/Condi
PU condi = Condi
PU hybrid = Power
Shatter = Power
Phantasm = Power
Phantasm = Condi

Guardian:
Some new niche condi/hybrid = only seen 1 or 2 guards running this
Meditation= Power
Shouts = Power

Engineer:
Nades = Condi
Nades = Power
Bombs = Condi
Rifle = Power

Necromancer:
Lifeblast build = power
Terrormancer = condi
MM = is this sPvP?

Elementalist:
D/D standard = Power
S/D Fresh air = Power
Diamond skin = power
Diamond skin = condi
Diamond skin = hybrid
Staff = Who roams on staff?

I don’t know much about rangers

LB = Glass
Traps = Condi

Don’t know the other ranger setups

There are far more power/direct damage builds running around then condi builds since each class only has 1-2 condition builds because they are limited to only a few weapons in most cases. It is impossible for there to be more condition builds then direct damage builds unless your class has more condi focus weapons then direct damage weapons which isn’t the case for even Necromancers.

As far as what you actually see roaming. What is usually needed to have a successful roaming build?

Mobility/escapability and adaptability for more then 1 enemy or in other words the ability to possibly 1vX.

What classes have builds that CAN meet the above criteria? Warriors, Mesmers, Engineers and Thief, Elementalist. So that means many warriors, mesmers, engineers, thieves, and elementalist.

So it’s condi meta because those are the best classes to roam on? Engi is probably the most consistent condi build you will come across of those classes.

If you come across 10 thieves and 15 mesmers in 1 night of roaming and they happen to be all conditions that doesn’t mean it is a condi meta lol. Even in the player created game of “roaming” then it means it is a thief and mesmer meta.

I would need some video unedited roaming for somone to convince me that the majority of Warriors are running condi, same for Guardians, and Elementalist.

Thieves and Mesmers dominate roaming they set this “meta”. Instead of pointing the finger at what type of damage they are running count how many professions types you come across. *

Ow look its this purposely misinformative dogma again.

There is no condition meta. PvE is power, WvW zergs is power, WvW roaming is also dominated by power, sPvP is dominated by power.
These posts pop up a lot, and you know what else they have in common? A complete lack of any evidence to support the wild claims that are made in them by the Condition-haters.

Every one of these threads always end up dying when the condition-haters get logic’d out of the thread, but then they just go around and make the exact same thread again. Which will then also get logic’d and dies.
And the cycle just repeats itself over and over.

the reason why torment and confusion is prevalent is because most people are oblivious as to what happens if you just ignore them and carry on.

This means, you still move about, spamming 1 and ends up killing yourself.

This time we get a new map:

ConditionHammer

Same map, new gun.

Now when you are hit you get every single condition applied to you for 15 seconds (25 stacks of bleed and torment). Cannot be dodged or blocked. Still knocks you down. Still has gigantic aoe.

Oh, and it will be in SoloQ and TeamQ.

Boredom has hit a new low!!!

To know when you can’t fight outnumbered.

Personally I would only make it a stunbreak. But necros do need stability on a utility somewhere. The lack of active defence is disgraceful and having a class which can be completely stunlocked doesnt seem like good design. Being tanky doesnt help anyone if you are being used as a pinball.

You guys are making this harder than it sounds.

Bind scroll wheel to left click. All you have to do is keep scrolling and you can go through a whole stack in about 15 seconds.

sacrx from redguard for shoutcasting pls

isolatedchimp.2510:

Burst simply is more efficient

This. A hundred times this.

People need to actually run and compare the numbers instead of arguing based on “teh feelz”.

Condition damage pays a heavy price for being able to bypass armor. It just doesn’t scale up well outside of small group/dueling.

I USED to think conditions were OP too (check my post history from a few months ago). But then I got better at the game. Burst simply is more efficient and I play power builds on most of my profession. My main engi is condition only because I prefer pistol/shield and bomb kit playstyle and power builds do not work well with those.

Keep the models, just make them Norn sized.

tichorum.2415:

Jamais vu.5284:

Sorry, Anet, but you can’t artificially generate interest in this game’s sPvP.

Yeah only 2,500+ were concurrent today. No interest.

You do realise those numbers are greatly inflated because of the precursor give away.?

so you actually congratulate when cancer kills?

I don’t.

Grimreaper.5370:

sinzer.4018:

I build exclusively for power. I don’t have much of an issue, i kill most people i fight. That may be down to my playtime on my main though (1k hrs). I’ve never found it unfun to fight condis. It never occured to me that it could be infuriating to. Fighting against someone that relies heavily on stealth is tedious but condis? lol. /cleanse

Just wait until you run into 2+ heavy condi spam necros who are well coordinated. THAT is FUN.

Brilliant.

So I was on my necro the other day in WvW. I was solo flipping a supply camp. I wasn’t paying enough attention. Two, well coordinated Guardians caught off guard and killed me. So yes, I agre with your example. Direct damage needs a nerf.

I build exclusively for power. I don’t have much of an issue, i kill most people i fight. That may be down to my playtime on my main though (1k hrs). I’ve never found it unfun to fight condis. It never occured to me that it could be infuriating to. Fighting against someone that relies heavily on stealth is tedious but condis? lol. /cleanse

It’s ridiculous that warriors actually have some sort of weakness. They already have the highest armor, highest HP, highest mobility, ridiculous HP regen, near immunity to all conditions, multiple access to stability, immunities, blocks, and still hit like a truck. God forbid that if you actually manage to survive being chain stunned into next year, you might put out a blind.

style.6173:

Is this thread a joke? Necro is currently in a great place right now. Condis are the current meta in PvP and WvW.

-looks at the recent toruney, sees no team had more than one condition build-