Guild Wars 2

Can we all please stop acting like “our” server is the messiah server that doesn’t blob or take on uneven fights? Every match-up thread is the same thing and it’s getting tiring.

Every server blobs. Every server ganks people in unfair fights. WvW is always going to be unfair in one way or another, so save your breath.

Sirana Dark.4681:

Atoss.1056:

Like I thought on 1st day Gandara will have bad impressions of us and also expected that you will want to show the best from you when facing higher tier server. I heard you run in smaller groups and I hoped for some skirmishes from time to time, but when I tried running solo I usually ended up being ganked. Only one fair 1v1 vs guardian from WvW on eb, but even that got interrupted by some thief from my side :/
Gandara guys seem to be running very fast to a place where fight is having place, every time there were orange swords I saw more and more of blue smurfs coming and jumping into the fight Kinda similiar to Viz where sometimes you can see ppl running around, but on the other side much different cause you guys usually don’t run and fight a lot better than them.
Sadly sometimes it all ended up in a blob fest; not gonna mention AM cause it seems to be the only way they run, can’t remember seeing groups of under 20-30 ppl from there. Also we have big numbers at times, especially when some guy gathers ppl from all maps and blobs the hell out of every place in WvW while leaving almost all our stuff without defense (EB wooden almost whole week, except times when few ppl decided to work out their kitten and upgrade/siege up stuff)… Feels weird to see things on our server going into the “blob all the way”; still remember the good times of having guilds and comanders that actually cared about defense – we have some of those still, but as soon as the blob forms up, they’re all alone with 10-15 guys. Is lootbags all that ppl care for these days? :/

Gl in future match ups, Viz/Sfr/Abbadon would be nice zerg fest, for Gandara, maybe your usual lower/mid tier enemies and to Deso – well, maybe a good beating from strong enemies would be nice and teach some ppl to blob less

From our side we could say the same. This evening we were only 20 People and what do you Crydara Guys You blob. Do not throw Stones while sitting in a Glashouse. I also never seen Your normal Groups infight you ever run away and came back with 2 other Groups. And if You fight against us You lay down. An by the way we dont kill Solo Players if they dont attack us.

1. You’re replying to a Desolation player, not Gandara.
2. Everybody blobs at times. In my experience though, blobbing is the norm on AM, whereas on Gandara we have many smaller guilds that mostly run separately. EB though is, of course, fair game, and we have the occasional karma train hopping between maps.
3. This bit is unclear but it sounds like you’re suggesting that we run away and come back with another guild? If we’re heavily outnumbered, of course we’ll accept some assistance. Usually though, it’s just that we gravitate towards where the fights are. And we (I’m pretty confident I can say this for most Gandaran guilds) usually only run away, er, tactically retreat from fights where we are severely outnumbered (we’re not going to just give you our lootbags, and spawn is far away and my legs are tired) or to try and draw out some overextenders.
4. I’ve been ganked on my own plenty of times so just who are you speaking for?

Things happen on the battlefield, ppl need to stop whine about every little thing.

Hai,
I was leading the DiVa raid last night and I’d like to address some of the stuff said.

Sylosis.7125:

I guess they called you when we wiped your allies and they failed to wipe us even with more numbers, we had lost alot of our ranged at this point also & you had spawn advantage so GG for trying to make you sound better than you are.

You guessed wrong. I do not recall anybody asking me/us for help. But I see how you could think that since we had fortunate timing more than once. I am not sure which fight you are referring to when you mention spawn advantage but iirc we had more than one encounter – at least one of which was in NW camp, wasn’t it?

I’m bad at counting so I won’t even try to guesstimate your size but I’m more than happy to take your word for it as I am sure you’ll take my word for what is stated above.

I do agree however we blobbed you when you pushed up north as DVG were tagged up and started an event…..although your tactics were very bad, you didnt push in with both of your guild groups…..had you done so you may have been better off.

Again, I am not sure which encounter you are specifically refering to. In general,
I don’t like to steal fights and I don’t like fights stolen from me. So I usually wait politely to see if the fight has somewhat even odds and if the numbers change. In the NW-camp encounter I thought I saw a significant amount of reinforcements arriving for your side which is when I decided to push. It turned out not to be as many as I had thought – I am terrible at counting.

Since it’s hard to communicate via chat while we’re fighting my decision to help or not to help other guilds is largely based on gut-feeling. That means that they might sometimes be cross with me for watching them wipe even tough they would’ve appreciated my help and sometimes they might be cross with me for ruining a nice fight (we do care deeply about nice fights ). I know I feel that way sometimes.

Let’s all calm down a bit

EDIT: Oh, I see you were talking about that short encounter in ruins. Maybe that wasn’t clear to everyone who read your post :S. I am pretty sure Denied wasn’t thinking of that particular fight from that night. I doubt that anybody would’ve been too reluctant to notice the significant amount of non-[DiVa]s pew-pewing there that I did not seem like that many when I decided to engage – but again, I am seriously bad at counting. That one was certainly not a fight I’d brag about.

One of the best roaming weeks in a while. Gandara has a lot of skilled players that are nice to fight against.

I’ll still help people by telling them to play guardian instead.

Bloody Blobbadons seriously it’s such a joy to kill you if we ever manage to catch your blob before you WP out! I thought VS were bad but atleast they actually fight outside towers / keeps once in a blue moon.

Really liking Gandara just a shame i’ve always got 40-50 people around me combined to your 20-30 (you did wipe us with a blob in SM earlier was well done) and i hope you enjoyed all the free tower caps in EB today, told our guys to let you cap em as we focused AM for constantly running away whereas you guys fight no matter the odds so kudos

Spent an hour draining AM EB keep to 0 and just as we go in for the final push and start hitting inner WvW gets taken down, saved by the bell AM! lol

Cya tomorrow ^^

Made a song this morning that reflected my personal opinion. so yeah here it goes:

Just a small town singer, livin’ in a blobbing world
Deso took the karma train goin’ anywhere
Just a Gandalf boy, born and raised in north camp
AM took the karma train goin’ anywhere

A Gandalf singer in a smokey room
A smell of blobadon and cheap laggness
For a kill an´ lootbags they can gave us
It goes on and on and on and on

Sirana Dark.4681:

Here is a Cookie for You Nyrkkipaula. AM also have 1v1 Player but u dont find them, they dont want to fight against Crying People.

Yeah i guess all your solo players are hiding inside that 60 man blob you run around with.
Try harder

You ADAC guys enjoy running over and chasing every solo roamer you come across? Such doucchebaggery…

Columbo.5924:

Dude, did it ever cross your mind that you are taking this GAME a bit too seriously?!?

The great lord Flame Ram pities you and the generations you may or may not spawn should the mighty lord of RNG provide you a mate.

msalakka.4653:

As one commander so succinctly put it, “don’t try to defend, just leave it, we’ll flip it later for wxp.”

I don’t like that attitude. I can understand it, and I do give up trying to defend someplace when I am far away and they are already in inner or when its blob vs 5. Most of the time I am there defending till they kill me.

There are many like me but not enough

So first they get rid of ranger players. The next step was to get rid of ranger playing devs :P
The plan is working, pets are awesome!

Hugh Norfolk.2798:

I believe the thread should be “Hugh” done goofed. . . just saying. :P

I’ve reported you for telling jokes like my dad.

I was leading the Gandaran EB infantry for that portion of this evening and we were definitely feeling the lag just as much as you were. Both [RED] and [Scnd] I salute you o/ we mercilessly blobbed down both of you and the battles were on an epic scale and the feeling was completely exhilarating, our guild is quite new and amateur to roaming, and the way you guys do it is impressive and awe-inspiring, infantry leading is what we do best cause blobbing comes naturally to us.

The entire event was completely intense, not a dull moment and I was doubting my tactics all the way through, especially when [Scnd] breached the top floor, but somehow we pulled it together, Gandaran infantry surprise me time and time again with their resilience, and they made me proud tonight. I’m leaving now on holiday for a week and will miss the rest of be matchup, so I thought I’d go out with a bang! hence posting here, it’ll be my only chance

Questions that might be asked; at a supply check approx an hour earlier we numbered 74 people, so that is likely the max amount you are facing, so we did indeed blob you to death. We used 9 arrow carts in total, 4 of which were superior. There was no voice communication within the group and it was chat-commanded entirely, and yes I did get suppressed once, at which point I had to swap to squad, in the small hope that someone might have joined.

It was a real pleasure fighting you guys and I had insane fun this evening, what started out as a matchup we weren’t so enthusiastic about has actually been really enjoyable. Thanks for the battles guys, and I hope to maybe face you again of the field some day.

It’s funny how some people hate GvGers for not contributing to server rating but there’s not a single word about jumping puzzles, traders, kraits farmers, 100% map explorers, daily achievement farmers and so on… And there’s more of these people in wvw than gvgers.

GvG is only result of wvw design. Even after the Orbageddon players playing for fun will find a way…

Durian.5419:

Alright, I’m going to say it.

GvG, get out of my WvW.

I don’t want to see a bunch of people /bowing and /saluting each other in a big blob south of middle supply. Anytime I do see it I want to run in there and disrupt it, but I don’t because I’m not a griefer. You guys enjoy it. I can’t understand where the joy in fighting on ‘even’ terms is, the whole point of WvW is you can roll over singles, or you can get rolled over, and you don’t know when it’s going to happen. That’s the excitement, that’s the joy. Tearing down the mighty walls of a keep, and consuming the pitiful fools clinging to their arrow carts. Or having it done to you, wondering where your allies are as you try to hold that tower against immosible odds for one…more…tick. Perhaps I am just the target audience for the WvW design, but I know I am not the only person who feels this way.

GvG is fun for those who like it, I do not doubt that. I wish there was a place for you all to fight that didn’t interfere with WvW.

But it’s not simply for “fun”. It’s a competitive Arena hosted by players who want to prove that their guild is indeed the best among guilds. Having an even fight is part of that. A lot of players would much rather prove their prowess by beating faces with a hammer than spamming 1 with an arrow cart, and those people include me. I don’t know who else will back me, but I’m sure that they far outweigh those who oppose me in my opinion.

I don’t really mind GvG happening in WvW, and I WvW way more than I GvG.

My server rarely ever has a queue, so it’s not like GvGs ever hurt anything. Maybe ya’ll need to stop stacking your servers.

The absolute #1 reason they have not attempted to implement something like “GvG” is because it would kill spvp. Everyone would realize how bad spvp is and that 10k they spent on PAX tournament would go to waste. End game pvp in this game would be too fun and people would only play that. The game would really take off, but their vision of spvp as an esport wouldn’t happen. Spvp sucks because conquest mode is kitten. People who want real pvp have to come to wvw. I honestly feel anet needs to be bought out lol because they are fools when it comes to handling pvp. Nobody plays spvp because you can’t use any of your pve gear. All your carrot chasing in pve can’t even be represented in pvp. The same builds that are viable in wvw can’t be used in spvp because we don’t have the same stat options. They claim it’s for “balance” but really it keeps all the pve players away from pvp. They all have to go to wvw which is hardly pvp anymore. At the VERY LEAST they could make something like the eb jp that we could queue up for separately from wvw so we could do gvg. I like the fractals battleground idea in this thread but sadly that would be too fun and anet would never do it.

DevonCarver.5370:

I’ll post this here as well:

WvW is a game type that we believe very strongly in. We’ve seen that people have been organizing their own combat in WvW and that’s really cool, but WvW requires changes that are not always in step with the gameplay that has been emerging. Our focus is on making WvW as strong as it can be and we will continue to make changes with that in mind. We have been and will continue to discuss these open field battles, but in the meantime the changes we make to WvW will always have that game type first and foremost in mind.

Firstly, thank you for recognising our existance.

I can fully understand that the WvW team wants to focus on WvW, and that infact if we’re ever going to see a separate GvG map/mode it’ll most likely come from the sPvP guys and not WvW. That’s fair enough.

I think what frustrates and confuses the GvG community most is that out of all the possible changes you could make, and all the possible fixes WvW needs, you go straight for the option that will make GvG virtually impossible and has a good chance of killing off the scene. And despite you acknowledging this, you’re going ahead with it anyway. It feels rather like we’re being targeted for punishment.

Do remember that GvG guilds are also WvW guilds and that pushing them to quit will have repercussions for WvW as a whole.

Magnetron.5823:

I do not say you have to quit, I just say you need to find another game for this type of open world ‘playstyle’ This is WvW, and it stays WvW.

So you say we have to leave Guild Wars 2 , because we want it to play our way?
That’s not only ignorant but straight forward dumb…
Guess how WvW looks without all those Guilds doing GvGs and daily WvW Raids?
The overall level of play would be sinking to the lowest lows imaginable- Zerging would be the only option left. ( Or sitting in Towers)
Lets be realistic here: Without those competetive guilds WvW would be just an empty place with a few guys throwing cows at each other with trebs

Magnetron.5823:

GvG destroys WvW and breaks up the forces needed to fight.. Not only because 20v20 that’s an equal number so not much harm done. But the spectators are making the server gets queue’s everywhere!

Please GvG people find another game for this type of playstyle, I like WvW how it is and do not want to wait in line because people want to play another type of gameplay what was not intented.

And PS. the spamming GVG GVG, GvG , GvG GVG!!!!!! Yesterday in the livestream from WvW said enough about the age of your so called ‘GvG Community’

The fact that you are telling people to quit, just because they enjoy the game in a different way that you do, tells a lot about you as well.

I’ve noticed that there is increase demand of gvg action at wvw currently but for large servers this may be a trouble in face of creating queue on maps where the guilds want to do the Guild vs Guild and spoil the fun for other players who want to do actual WvW creating unnecessary queue times.

I think its time Anet to step up and create a team that will work on Guild vs Guild Arenas with ladders/rewards and all the stuff required for a healthy and competitive Guild vs Guild action. (Its Guild Wars 2 right?)

So since living story teams like to drop stuff like latest Survival island type of action i think next one could contain a Guild vs Guild Arena (just to test it as early beta).

There is no need of creating a whole new map as well since Urban Battleground fractal map is more than capable to be used for any Guild vs Guild fight.
It have open fields as well as town with allies and buildings for more skirmish type of action.

I think Anet can give it a shot and let Guilds evaluate it.

I’m adding a map of Urban battleground fractal with both team’s staring area colored green and red as well as areas marked with blue as areas for fight.Orange marker mark gates that may or may not be removed or reworked as something else.

On top of all those Anet can add the spectator mode used in sPvP so everyone including rest of guild members who don’t participate in the GvG can watch the action and support their guilds.

DevonCarver.5370:

I’ll post this here as well:

WvW is a game type that we believe very strongly in. We’ve seen that people have been organizing their own combat in WvW and that’s really cool, but WvW requires changes that are not always in step with the gameplay that has been emerging. Our focus is on making WvW as strong as it can be and we will continue to make changes with that in mind. We have been and will continue to discuss these open field battles, but in the meantime the changes we make to WvW will always have that game type first and foremost in mind.

just one weird idea from a community member:
you say you are discussing about it? why don’t discuss with the community, I think all of the active Guilds like CoN, VotF, Scnd and more would invite you on the TS and talk with you about the ideas and what we think about it. just give the community a feeling of being a part of your thoughts.
don’t missunderstand me i really like that you postet this, its kinda of relieve for all of us that you guys are not ignoring this.

DevonCarver.5370:

I’ll post this here as well:

WvW is a game type that we believe very strongly in. We’ve seen that people have been organizing their own combat in WvW and that’s really cool, but WvW requires changes that are not always in step with the gameplay that has been emerging. Our focus is on making WvW as strong as it can be and we will continue to make changes with that in mind. We have been and will continue to discuss these open field battles, but in the meantime the changes we make to WvW will always have that game type first and foremost in mind.

WHERE TO START – Urban Battleground Fractal as GvG ARENA.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Guild-vs-Guild-Arenas/

It’s simple and easy to create for a start.
You (Anet) already stated that are reworking Living story dungeons (Molten Facility) to actually new Fractals so you can easily rework 1 fractal to a working GvG Arena as a base and pile more work and polish over it in time (or your free time like those guys who created Super Adventure Non-sense).

DevonCarver.5370:

I’ll post this here as well:

WvW is a game type that we believe very strongly in. We’ve seen that people have been organizing their own combat in WvW and that’s really cool, but WvW requires changes that are not always in step with the gameplay that has been emerging. Our focus is on making WvW as strong as it can be and we will continue to make changes with that in mind. We have been and will continue to discuss these open field battles, but in the meantime the changes we make to WvW will always have that game type first and foremost in mind.

WvW does not require any kind of stat boost, this actually takes away from the game. We want to win fights because we are outplaying our opponents, not because we have a silly stat advantage. That goes way beyond just GvGs, it’s just the merit and the thrill of a good PvP.
This buff would work way better if it gave a strategic advantage, something like extra defense or damage to your siege, supply capacity, speed to your dolyaks or workers, free golems. Or you could just do something simple as giving us some extra loot or gold. It could even be just an extra source of ppt. There are really endless possibilities for that kind of buff. Yet, out of everything it could be, you guys are choosing to bring back a buff that everyone used to hate. One that will kill, or at least cripple, a game mode created by the players and loved by them. I hope this is not true, I really do, but I’m beginning to lose faith.

DevonCarver.5370:

I’ll post this here as well:

WvW is a game type that we believe very strongly in. We’ve seen that people have been organizing their own combat in WvW and that’s really cool, but WvW requires changes that are not always in step with the gameplay that has been emerging. Our focus is on making WvW as strong as it can be and we will continue to make changes with that in mind. We have been and will continue to discuss these open field battles, but in the meantime the changes we make to WvW will always have that game type first and foremost in mind.

tldr; GvG/dueling is about to take it up the pooper

I actually signed into my forum account, and I never do, because I KNEW there would be a forum thread about this. GvGs aren’t the point. The point is that Anet, you are getting increasingly detached from your most loyal playerbase day by day. The proof was in that stream. I could not BELIEVE how you guys just ignored the people crying out for a GvG mode. You act like they don’t exist and even act like they detracted from the stream somehow….that stream was crap, to be honest, (some Q&A…..seriously) and it’s incredibly insulting to the hardcore guilds that make up the core of WvW the way you simply ignore us, in a stream for the very gamemode most of us play exclusively. I can’t believe how blind you guys are to this cash cow right under your noses. You try to push sPvP like the plague as an esport where a set GvG mode really has the potential to blow up. How can you not see this? There are so many people involved in this GvG scene with absolutely zero support from you lot. Imagine if you showed the slightest bit of support.

You keep catering to the lazy PVE crowd, the group of players will be gone to another game the second a new shiny one is out. You don’t cater to the people who can see what WvW really could be. We do our best with what we have, but I don’t think you realize, Anet, how GOOD the pvp in this game really is. There is a reason we started playing this game and still are, the few of us PvP people who are left. Most games don’t have pvp that is as good, as interesting, or as diverse as this game’s, less are MMOs. Even lesser still are still available to play. The siege buffs, especially ACs are completely ruining this aspect of the game. Do you seriously think that all the people trying to get you to stop are all trolls?

Believe it or not, whatever sample of the playerbase you have in your testing IS NOT helping WvW. I am trying to tell you. I am trying to warn you. All of us are. They are not representative of the people who play WvW. That much is obvious. The PvP people play this game to actually play the game and fight other groups of players. All people do anymore is sit in towers with siege, this is NOT the game that we love so much. That is spamming 3 buttons and having them be effective because they hit obscenely more targets than anything else, and do more damage than most player groups. How is that rewarding? How does that encourage actually playing the kitten classes in this game?

I am telling you this, because when both groups of people move from this game, the PvErs because of a new carrot and the PvP crowd because of horrible support from you guys, you will be left with no one. “Splitting the zerg” won’t matter. We have all seen what happens to servers when the core WvW guilds just aren’t there. They die. They have no community. The PvP crowd will leave in whole guilds and it will be sudden. The PvErs will leave slower but it will be steady and pick up as time goes along. You will either fix this now or this game is doomed to fail. I sincerely hope you change before you remember this crossroads when it is far too late. That’s my 2 cents and I think that many of the WvW crowd would agree with what I am saying.

Titan.3472:

I farm guilds said to be GvG oriented in wvw because they are not doing anything better than a harcore player oriented wvw or spvp would do.

Thanks for not understanding what GvG is all about, and also thanks for making a complete clown out of yourself. Your post really made my day. The only thing you farm is crafting materials in EB maybe, so go ahead, do your PvDoor and believe that it´s PvP.

DevonCarver.5370:

I wanted to chime in a bit here. We appreciate that people really enjoy organizing their own combat in WvW and we are very aware of it. We’ve been discussing what can be done about that. However, WvW is its own game type and it requires attention specific to it. We are focused on making WvW as fun as it can possibly be and we will continue to make changes to WvW with that in mind. Our decisions regarding WvW will always have the needs of WvW paramount.

Anet kills the GvG scene at their own peril.

Almost all WvW guilds are doing it in some capacity. These are the guilds that lead WvW, provide the meta and the leadership for the casual players.

If you send a “kitten you” message to these guilds, don’t be surprised if more leave the game.

I honestly can’t believe Anet is fighting their player base over something like this.