Guild Wars 2

Xsorus.2507:

In all honesty, they can add whatever they want as far as map is concerned, It still won’t change the fact that I’ll be playing ESO if the PvP is remotely better. By better I mean it just has to be functional.

Functional like having a group UI that works in WvW? Functional like having a grouping system that meets the need of ALL players and guilds?

There seems to be a HUGE difference in what players think is important and what Anet thinks we want. Enough with the new content and mastery lines while we still are dealing broken UI and inflexible C&S grouping systems.

How can the inability to organize properly in WvW not be the primary focus at this time?

I’m very much against any form of stat boost attached to these new control points (unless it’s MF or something else benign). I hate the idea of being involved in a 1v1 or 5v5 and suddenly having my stats boosted because someone not involved in my battle captured a control point on another part of the map.

“You only won because you got Bloodlust half way through our fight!” will be the newest form of moaning you will see across the WvW forum.

Just one consideration for you guys that can’t stand Gvg.

Why do you think that wvw guilds, which spent (and keep spending) a LOT of time in wvw playing it “properly” came out with GvG in first place?

Because played “properly”, in the same amout those guilds paly wvw (always), wvw is boring. Bad. Doesn’t encourage in any shape or form actual Player vs Player over a AC vs Ram or Siege vs Siege in general. It doesn’t encourage to play differently from zoneblobbing 24/7, which is the worst thing – yet, da*nit, the most effective – in wvw bringing lag, frustration, and makes skill of a server fall to sheer number of dumb autoattackers.

Whatever is the reason, the point of making GvGs is that those wouldn’t exists in first place if only Anet delivered/developed/listened over this 12 months.

The options were either quit the game or come up with something to keep the interest alive in wvw. And there is why GvG born.

And come on, you do really think that wvw would be better w/o guilds? Turning in a permanent zergballing of uncoordinated random ppl with random classes with random builds and who has more ppl or more AC wins? That’s really a better wvw in your eyes?

Wolfaen.9461:

Anything that promotes small group play or open field combat is good in my perspective.

This will do nothing to promote small group play. These new capture points are just new zerg targets and people will simply continue to follow the blue taco. We’ll be flipping these things faster than the Vale supply camp because there is likely no supervisor on the point.

Things will be even worse if WXP, karma or XP is involved in the capture.

lordkrall.7241:

Aneu.1748:

I would actually very much enjoy that, I am sure most guilds who GvG would too… Rather than having the mindless zergs following a single player expecting to win via lag generation there may actually be some decent fights going on…

Get of your high horse.
Seriously.
Why would new player even bother trying WvW if the “elite” guilds behave like you do now?
With that kind of comments and way of thinking we will probably end up with a completely dead WvW, since apparently only the very small part of the community that does GvG is welcome.

This is not a high horse, this is understanding. I understand how an MMO, especially an MMO that involves OWPvP like World vs World works. I fully comprehend that both types of players are required, those that create the backbone and those that join as and when they wish – Catering to a single side of this will create problems and the WvW team are not creating anything for the “backbone” who strive for good fights, less lag and a meaningful experience in WvW (Which is why GvG was created in the first place). Instead the development team are focusing on fluff that really adds nothing to world vs world – They aren’t doing anything for emergent gaming – in fact they are doing something that will be detrimental to it going forward (The buff).

I could go into the entire aspect of the cascade effect that occurs in many OWPvP games especially when the top end of the game starts feeling disenfranchised however that would require me to put more effort into this thread than I am willing to.

Hopefully this explains it more for you.

GvG is most definitely, unequivocally part of World vs World. This is what is known as emergent gaming, when a system that is created by a development company is used for more than it was origionally intended and it should be supported and nurtured not treated like the red-headed stepchild of the entire game.

Devon, if you and your team really wish to walk down the path of GvG is not WvW then you will kitten off a huge swathe of people – The same people who are in effect the backbone of your World vs World. Whether people wish to agree with that or not is really not something we can discuss, the servers with these guilds on fully understand and appreciate that the guilds who do GvG are generally the guilds who put the most into WvW.

So, great job Devon on listening to very few players, or listening to mostly the NA side of the game because I can assure you, you are not doing what is in the best interest of WvW, you are doing what you consider to be the best thing – they are not the same thing as proven by your silly implementation of arrowcart buffs and the nonsense that is mysteries.

Aneu

Lightning reflexes does actually hit only 3 targets. Whoever is/was working with rangers should have stayed mopping floors at McDonalds :P
Yeah, the damage in lr isn’t the point but still , sometimes it feels theres someone in the dev team who was just hired randomly from the street when he was walking past the building

matjazmuhic.1649:

I agree with most of what he said but not about balancing before PAX. Even if the current meta is bad, tweaking something right before the tournament is a no go since the teams just got used to this a bit.

you are right! the rest of the world must suffer for 2 month so that a couple of guys can play 3 matches with the current state of the meta! since they are noobs and cant adapt in 2-3 days of testing/training.

/applaud

Allie Murdock.8152:

There is no “PvP balance team” – there is only the balance team.

Why?

Why isn’t there a team for PvE a team for PvP and a team for WvW?
They are three very different game modes that function in radically different ways and skills and traits should reflect this?

I really hope the answer isn’t something like “It’s too much work” or “We don’t want to confuse casual players that can’t be bothered to read tootlips”

Parthis.2091:

Thanks to [Rain] for the GvG setup this week, looking forward to it.

JDGE would be up for some GvG on wednesday too if anyone fancies it (XxX?!?!?!?) – give it a punt, we don’t play the meta, you won’t find a melee ball.

XxX don’t GvG… you know GvG are recorded and numbers are even….

Agrios.9071:

DEX wanted to thank for the nice fights this evening. We mostly run with 8-15 people. We are really happy that Gandara also has groups running arround in this size, since our last opponents all thought that 70 is the solution to everything. I dont remember against which guilds we fought but gg to those who we fought against.
Anyways thanks for the fights, looking forward to more!

-KYRENE

^ This

Transfered from Surmia this week and this is my first encounter ever with Gandara. So far haven’t really been blobbed, of course it does happen.. no server with a population can prevent it from happening but all these small scale roaming guilds are just lovely, big respect to all of you.

I am leaving on vacation today so I’m missing the rest of this matchup.. it’s been so much fun, I hope we face you again next week. Can we all stop forum warrioring btw, especially my UW folks? I mean there is literally no reason to kitten about golem rushes, it’s part of this game.. and it’s part of the game losing parts of our borderland. Wouldn’t it be boring if we never lost anything guys?

Have fun in the remainder of the matchup and I hope to see the same matchup next week when I get back. <3

@iorlas- Are you running for forum warrior of the year? I got to tell you Dayra from Elona is the Fan Favorite to win.

That guy was amazing.. still disappointed he does not have a fan club

Thief’s tears are delicious

Bud.5617:

The problem is it takes no skill to play spirit rangers, but it takes a lot of skills and exotic builds (that’s practically useless vs. anything else) to outplay them.

That’s where the cry for nerf is coming from. Its risk vs. reward is out of range, and needs to be toned down to match that of other classes.

Oh as for asking to nerf a class in their own forum. Get used to it. All other classes had their share of critiques also, have you never been to other classes forums? Or is the ranger so special to be beyond reproach? I think not.

Bud, you are such a kittening looser. No skill to play the ranger? what about you playing your thief, because we all know that’s what you play. You are a kittening one trick pony, spamming one button to get your kill. Risk Vs Rewards? Thief’s don’t even have any risks, you guys pratically invis whenever you want. I’ve even seen builds that almost give you perma invis. Where the kitten is the risk in that in order to justify the INSANE amount of damage you do?

Take your Bullkitten and your stupidity somewhere else. The ranger’s don’t need trash like you in here talking kitten like if they knew anything about rangers, just because you suck so bad that you lost to a spirit ranger one time. Stupid kittening moron. And yea, report me, I don’t care, I don’t even play the game anymore, I just pop up here from time to time to see what Anet’s done about the worst class in the game, and it looks like they haven’t done a hole lot except listen to whining kitten’s like you.

I’ve still yet to see a single person explain how Spirit Rangers are overpowered or what they did to magically make them overpowered.

Bud.5617:

Seriously, these guys can keep distance, they’ve stealth, deal tons of damage, have area denial and can soak an ungodly amount of damage.

There’s no hard counter to them and even the spirits take forever to kill.

Please reduce nerf either their damage, the spirit health, their cc or stealth.

You also left out that we can: bench press two bears at once, walk on water, shark pets dedicate a week to us, Lyssa calls us for dates, we swim after eating, Ascalon ghosts sit around fires and tell stories about us, we teach Krytan drake hounds to bark in Canthan, we talk about fight club, we grant genies 3 wishes and only a ranger has swum across the Crystal Desert.

@niedawow
Do u srsly wanna say me that he is allowed to trashtalk a whole server because he is running in a guildraid? Well, then i am allowed to trashtalk too, because i run 90% of the time in guildraids too. Oh and btw in this matchup we have so many Guildraids lets just trashtalk each other. Why not? kitten logic.

@ Xenn
He shows a lack of respect to pretty much everyone including guilds that ONLY run guildraids. But it doesnt matter because its god Nemesys. I dunno how strong XxX rly is but ur story is as kittened as my story. But hey u like him, so thats ok.

Instead of demanding respect, he should stop trashtalking and show respect himself.

God how i hate kiddys, who think they must trashtalk everything and even worse they get supported.

Ps.: XxX is one of around 20 Guildraids that were in this matchup. Every night there are Guildraids from EVERY server but it seems that instead of fighting them, XxX likes to trashtalk about everything. U already have a rlyyy good image but continue not gonna stop u.

If I did not see the picture and recognized the names in chat I would not have believed the neat lines of golems were made by Gandarans lol.

Here’s a little QoL thing that would be really great.

When im alt-tabbed, and a queue pops, would be great if a sound played or if the bar popped up, blinking.

Anyone thats played Dota2 will know what i mean. Fantastic feature, i can casually browse, watch youtube, do something else and not be forced to stare at Lion’s Arch for upto an hour.

This will be the last time I attempt a productive dialog with a development team that has been content to ignore the problems with WvW and the pleading of its community to get them resolved. Any and all posts from me here after from myself will either contain praise for finally implementing these fixes and updates or venomous ridicule as near to profanity as the forum code of conduct will allow. The ball is in your court:

Bug unable to kick logged off players from a party.
Bug stuck inside walls and doors when a point is captured and the previously destroyed objects render.
Bug supply dolyak position mismatches between client and server.
Bug some doors and walls can be bypassed with certain exploits.
Bug when certain NPC’s break aggro they disappear and render at their spawn location (typically when Immobilized during the agro break).
Bug sentry point capture ring in the southeast of the Borderlands does not render in one of the Borderlands.
Bug Supply mastery trait doesn’t grant the full 50% speed boost.
Bug queue time discriminates based on zone from which a player decides to enter a given queue.

Suggestion implement a commensurate reward structure, equally valuing the time spent in WvW to PvE.
Suggestion reduce sever population caps on each map and increase the total number of maps to 7 (two borderlands for each server, identical if need be, but preferably different and varied maps)
Suggestion make commander tags color customizable with a gem store purchase.
Suggestion make world rank account bound, or the entire WxP system, or limit the number of trait lines available to any one character to produce the desired effect of multiple builds.
Suggestion add a badge that corresponds to world rank similar to world completion next to player name.
Suggestion add a title track that corresponds to achieving world ranks.
Suggestion rework WvW achievements into repeatables similar to the Agent of Entropy achievement.

If there’s anything anyone else has to add, please post it here to make it easier for the developers to find. Oh, and I know its really hard to do when it comes to talking about ANet and WvW, but let’s at least keep this one thread primarily positive and constructive. There’s plenty of other threads to flame, rage, and rant on and I fully encourage that as well, since I’ll be there with you.

That is honestly the one change I want right now..

I bloody hate zerging on my Ranger most of the time, But honestly that is the absolute best way to get Ranks, which is something I want on my Ranger.

I think we’re the only class in the game that basically has our Mechanic kitten us when zerging, So if I could actually play an Alt during this every now and again I’d just love that.

Daecollo.9578:

Kaos.9162:

Yes, how dare people play the game differently from you….what do you care? Unless there are like a dozen people dueling when you have a queue to get in, it doesn’t really hurt your server to have a few people who aren’t actively trying to take objectives…

They should be dueling somewhere else, not in a competitive gamemode.

Competitive game mode… LOL

Just keep in your zerg and keep pressing that 1 button as fast as you can, everything will be ok.

DevonCarver.5370:

timidobserver.7925:

This guy has it right here. Someone that exclusively plays WvW should be able to get rewards just like those that exclusively play PVE. I’d dare say that there should be WvW legendaries.

We are continuing to make progress on these things. You can get ascended gear with badges now, the rank up chests have decent loot in them, including chances for precursors, all of the keep and tower lords drop the champion loot. The daily achievement is extremely easy to get in WvW, we’ve made a change (going live soon) to make many of the events group events to help with monthlies. Believe me, I am aware of the fact that the rewards in WvW don’t always keep pace with PvE, but we are moving to address that as much as we can. There will be an update on achievements in the not too distant future which will help to address the achievement point imbalance as well.

I have to disagree. I can do one out of two dozen something world bosses and get a guarenteed rare for each and everyone of them. Aswell as a chest that contains better loot then the chest we get from WvW.
The effort to do a worldboss is also considerably less then grinding upto a chest. And i can get a whole lot more chests in PvE then i can in WvW in a day.

Now im not sure, but dont those world boss chests also have a chance to drop a precursor? Even if it doesnt, a precursor is an incredibly rare drop that 99% of your WvW players will never see drop.
What they will see is a ton of greens, occaisionally a rare and rarely an exotic. Chances of actually getting a solid reward from these chests is minimal at best. Especially now that the achievement system handed out BoH like candy and everyone, even those who never set foot in WvW, suddenly has 2-3k of these.

In the meantime you added gear to WvW, sure you did. But you accompanied it with yet another goldsink. All the while, some ascended gear is still not available.

I’d say we got a long way to go before WvW loot and reward is anywhere close to being on par. We know your working on it but its been a year, enough with the babysteps already!
And thats not even mentioning the fact a lot of diehard WvW players would love some WvW exclusive skins.

Hey, if it’s broken don’t fix it..

What is this sorcery? Dev feedback

Go hijack a living world team to your WvW team. We do not need a new festival of fluff and shallow drama every two weeks. We need WvW and GvG content that leave a impression!

Why do you pick the low hanging fruit and address the guy that clearly has no clue, or is this what you think qualifies for community management?

Where is our commander functionality that is actually functional? Or the ability to kick off-line party members. How about elementalists not providing wxp if they mist form in downed state? How about the supply mastery speed boost upon supply pickup being 33% and not 50% as it says on the tool tip. Have you fixed clipping through gates in towers?

Expioters? Abuse? What qualifies as abuse of wvw mechanics?

Etc I could go on… This is why wvw forum people are upset.

OMG Quaggan Mastery I’m so excited for 5% extra damage against quaggans!!