Guild Wars 2

No game in the world would make me pay a sub fee.

Most people I tell about GW2 tell me they haven’t bought it themselves because they assume there is a monthly fee. When I tell them there isn’t, they are all of a sudden really really interested.
I wouldn’t of purchased it if it had a monthly fee. It’s probably good enough for one (if WoW can have one, GW2 definitely can), I just don’t agree with that philosophy. I usually play huge online games for a couple/few years, and even $20/month is $720 after 3 years. too much for something that passes the time. I never get into these games enough to make it my life.

Aeonblade.8709:

Subscription fees insure quality in the ever changing landscape of crappy B2P and F2P games, try playing a sub game for a few months then going back to a F2P model and you’ll understand why F2P is destroying the MMO industry. At least Guild Wars set the bar at $60 before they give it all up so to speak, the buy to play model is far superior in my eyes than a free to play, possibly even as good as a sub base.

That is very much a matter of opinion. I have never played a sub game where I thought I was getting my money’s worth. The closest was Rift. I will agree that most F2P games are a waste of bandwidth. Freemium games can be even worse. ToR’s model is heavily geared towards making the free experience unfriendly, coupled with not-so-subtle hints like, “You could have another quick slot if you subbed.”

GW’s B2P model worked just fine for me. Heck, if I played WoW I was also going to pay for expansions. Why pay a monthly fee for what imo was an inferior game. Yes, I know a lot of people like WoW. Well, a lot of people like Justin Bieber. I’m just not one of them, in either case.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/march-2013/
If you haven’t noted yet.
Who else got scared of Rox’ face? xD

EDIT: Take a look at April’s Release Page as well: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/april-2013/
Pretty weird if you ask me…

i love the game. i wont sub for games anymore. the last few i have paid for felt like the devs took their players for granted. they also always had maintenance down times. gw2 is free and has no downtimes(barely ever).

no game ever deserves a monthly fee. period. if you really want to put in that $15 a month for GW2 , buy $15ish of gems every month.

^ Angry Joe is spot-on in that review

If GW2 had a subscription I wouldn’t be here playing. The sole reason I bought GW2 (and GW1+expansions) was because it was B2P.

After SWTOR I swore never to play a subscription based game ever again; no matter how ‘awesome’ it may be.

Having to pay $60 for nothing more than a login screen and then forcing you to pay $15/month in order to actually access the game (basically renting your account) is nothing more than a scam these days in my opinion.

I would have never bought the game so I couldn’t tell you how I would feel now.

I do make random Gem purchases to support the game, but have no interest in a forced subscription model.

Honestly gw2 prove me that no subs can work for an MMO… So I don’t want to pay for accessing the game any more. I rather support the game willingly and get extra stuff for it

Goodbye monthly fees!

Like many have said already, it isn’t a fair question. You can’t just slap a subscription fee onto an existing non-subbed game and expect it to make sense. Games that have subscriptions are designed around that fact, often with design choices that sloooooww the player’s progress and get them to play longer while accomplishing less. Part of GW2’s appeal is that it eschews that mentality outright.

A sub-based GW2 would not have been the GW2 we know. It would probably have still been a very good MMO, but I probably would not have gotten into it in the first place, if it were sub-based. These days, I really think a subscription is more of a long-term barrier against potential customers than it is a short-term revenue generator.

1) Would never have bought it.

Subscription-model is a thing of the past and any game asking such amounts from players are ripping the players of. B2P is fine with a steep one-time entry fee, and then putting up expansions or gem/microtransactions for purchase later.

No. I like the possibility of a game that is free to play when you want. I prefer the gems system and the (prolly) future expansions on payment.

I think Guild Wars 2 is my favorite game in the world. If it had a monthly fee though, I wouldn’t pay for it. I don’t like monthly subscriptions for games, even if they’re the best game in the world.

Basically I wouldn’t have bought the game, I’m not keen on being robbed you see.

I’m not sure I understand the curiosity behind these questions, which has been asked before hundreds if not thousands of times going all the way back to the beginning of time when Guild Wars 1 came out. That said:

The fact that Guild Wars is NOT a sub is part of the draw that made the franchise attractive. It was for me. I honestly used that pitch to get my buds to try it, so asking what if hypotheticals is actually irrelevant, because a B2P model was always the hand Anet decided to play from the start, that was their draw during a time most if not all mmo’s had a subscription barrier of entry.

So no I would not pay, because that was never the intention and I applaud them for that. I got many years out if GW1 and I hope the same holds true with GW2.

I don’t play subscription games., so I wouldn’t have even started playing.

That being said… I already spent more money on gems that what a subscription game costs… totally worth it. And I’ll probably spend more.

Im not in the financial situation for a sub game so no.Even if i wanted to i couldn’t

Nope. I bought GW1 specifically because of the “no monthly fee” and would never have crossed over to GW2 if it had a monthly fee.

Despite the complaints, I’m not really sure how this change discourages people from playing their alts, unless the definition of “playing an alt” = “briefly logging onto spare characters in order to maximize rare drop rewards from 2 minute fights”. If so, then, yeah, this change is trying to discourage that. Guilty as charged.

You have:

• One post on the boards
  # that one post is an ad
• No affiliation with the main site
  # in fact you leech their database and pull it into your UI

I will be sure to tell everyone I meet in-game who asks about your site to not visit it, because what you’re doing is borderline illegal, especially if the main site’s owner told you to stop.

Healix.5819:

I’ve been watching the whole .com vs .net thing play out over the past few days. The amount of hate simply because the .net site takes data from the .com site made me think there’s a lot of fanboys towards the .com one.

I have also been watching it play out. I am far from a .com “fanboy” — I have used the .com site and find it very useful, but only until we have an in-game LFG system.
And it’s easy to look at this at first blush and think it’s a good thing.

That said, bandwidth theft is a serious issue on the web. If you’ve ever run a site, you know how distressing it is to have a competing site steal not only your content (which I realize the .com site cannot legally claim the content, since it’s user-generated), but also the bandwidth you pay for. It’s unethical.

But the thing that really sets off alarm bells for me is how aggressively the .net site owner is promoting his site. I can very easily see someone taking a look at the success of the .com site and realizing what a potential cash cow it is, and wanting in on that action. He may not be making money off of ads right now — but once he has stolen the eyeballs, I would not be surprised if that sucker is monetized up the wazoo.

This does not look like a project that is designed to help the community. It looks like something designed to benefit an individual/group of involved individuals at the cost of someone else’s time and money, and I refuse to be a pawn in it.

If you are going to try to steal links at least try to make it less obvious. Very low and unlclassy. You really should not say that you are the same as the .com sister site since you are in no way affiliated at all with him at all. I know this since it was a guildy of mine that has been running the other site since the game was released.

I would at least remove all reference to you being better than the original site and try to stand on your own merits.

Unless you have permission from Fotoh to link the other site I would remove the using his bandwidth for your site and just have your own database for the LFG.

Alliria.5463:

Hi, i am writing because dont get me wrong we love this game, but all the changes you guys have been making is getting to the point no one is going to want to play, End game doesnt have much so people like to fight the bosses and farm, but everything people liked you guys changed and just taking even more, you take the rares what are people really going to have to play for, one rare pre-account from a boss… why dont you guys want everyone to run it over and over and play? please i mean no disrespect at all … but first Events in CS changed big time, then CoF and now your taking the world bosses? what is the point of End Game then?? and i find it seems soon as people find something fun to do, and to keep wanting to play the game, the makers just take it away!!!

The point is to make it so every one can keep getting a benefit from these events and run and not to make the system one sided for thoughts who spend all there time playing this game. The point is to keep ppl from contorting the system.

If you where able to run these events once a day your at a disadvantages from thoughts who could run it more then once a day. Most ppl who hate this changes are coming off as very greedy ppl at this point.

Bonezz.4961:

Best part is how that “other” mmo is still thriving and this games community continues to shrink. The problem is this game suffered for having no true endgame and WvWvW is just whoever can spam more AoE. Structured pvp is pretty much dead. You can’t even deny how dead the lower level zones are and how you get stuck doing dynamic events by yourself.

I certainly can deny that, having started levelling a number of characters. The lower-level zones were busy, and the supposedly “empty” zones in the mid-levels were anything but. Plus I’m seeing increased activity overall, not decreased, so unless you have some figures, I suspect this is wishful thinking of a negative kind on your part.

“That other mmo” is definitely going strong in China (where the sub works differently, and they don’t buy expansions). Whether it is going strong in the West is debatable. Expansion sales eventually broke 3m, but didn’t break 4m. In the time Cataclysm sold 4.5m, Pandaria only sold 2.7m (despite arguably being considerably better gameplay-wise and art-wise than Cataclysm), so that is a pretty big change.

Personally, I can’t go back to other MMOs. The combination of sub and not being as fun just doesn’t cut it for me. “That other MMO” basically wants you to blow through levelling content at absolute maximum velocity before you are allowed to play the “real” game, where GW2 encourages you to just do what you want, and reach max level when you reach it. That alone is a huge difference, and one that makes ENDGAEM!!!!!! less vital. As for claims that GW2 has no endgame and thus people can’t play it for long, I find it unconvincing. With “That other MMO”, I’ve found myself reach max level countless times, only to quit 3-4 months later, have run out of content, and ended up waiting several months, only for the same thing to happen even faster (1-3 months), until the next expansion, then I might get 3-4 months before quitting again, and so on. With GW2, I play when I want to – not every month, but most months, and I just keep having fun. I didn’t get Pandaria, I won’t be getting the next one – nor will anyone I know. But I know I will be getting any GW2 expansions that come out.

Dyroth.5063:

3. Personal rewards, separate exp and drops from killing and chests.

This, in my opinion, is probably the best thing that GW2 developed and I’m seriously hoping it’ll catch on with future MMOs, since it really just makes sense.

The only other MMO that I play at all besides GW2 is TSW, because I like the story, setting, and premise (not to mention I’m still a healer at heart, so it’s nice to go heal a dungeon or two if I get that particular itch), but rolling for loot seems like such a foreign concept for me now whenever it makes an appearance.

Agreed.

As much as I have my own issues with GW2, it is still a great game underneath all the main problems. It is very hard to play another MMO after playing GW2. Just going to come out and say it, but I assume you are talking about WoW. I did the same thing as well. Went back to check on how the game was doing and I just couldn’t play it. Everything feels way outdated and so dull compared to GW2.

And it’s like that with all the recent MMOs I’ve been trying out. Got invited to a few betas for others, and they just don’t compare. The only other MMO I have been able to play is Defiance, and that’s just cause I’m excited for the TV show (Syfy addict).

But I do agree. It is hard to play any other MMO now after playing GW2.

JaironKalach.4938:

Just to note it quickly and explicitly… My understanding from this post is that you were able to do this by enjoying the game all of this time without that top level gear, correct?

Just to say it quickly and explicitly… yes.