I never have a lot of faith when a post opens with a fallacy.
When has goal-oriented stuff ever been mutually inclusive of grind? I’ll bring up Saints Row IV again — I completed that easily, and I had fun with it. My “goal” was experiencing more of the story, and seeing what fun toys they’d throw at me next. Grind is an excuse for proper content.
Yes, people like goals, but only poor, brainwashed sots think they genuinely enjoy grind. With a quality game, you can have goal-oriented gameplay with no grind at all. The grind in Guild Wars 2 is just to disguise the copy-pasted content. It’s a known scientific fact that operant conditioning works on us, so it’s a pretty cheap shot to use it in place of actually making your game fun. And that it works so successfully that it’ll have people like you defending it?
That’s depressing.
Vertical progression is how the big games have survived this long.
Then explain why many ancient FPS games, even older than WoW, have gotten by without it. This is a fallacy, because you’re assuming that grind is essential to an MMO having a long life. Correlation does not equal causation.
You don’t need to be a basement dweller to succeed in gw2.
That was never the argument. You’re creating a straw-man here because you’re building constructs to argue against which are easier for you to combat.
The argument is that ArenaNet claims that casual players can be on equal footing with everyone else. Yet the reality of the matter is that in order to grind for Ascended, you would have to be a no-lifer, a basement dweller with nothing else to do other than play the game. In the sporadic periods a normal person would play Guild Wars 2, they’d probably not see an Ascended weapon before 2015, and that’s being generous.
This means that there’s content that’s locked out from them, just because they don’t have the time to grind that a basement dweller does. And the content is designed in such a way that it’s inaccessible unless you have the key to pass it, the cheat, as I described. And instead of just obtaining the cheat, you have to spend a nontrivial portion of your life grinding for it. You have to grind for a cheat to bypass an otherwise impossible segment of the game.
If the game was skill-based, then you wouldn’t have sections that would be impossible to bypass without a cheat (gear).
You know, it’s funny. Jet Set Willy on the ZX Spectrum was never completed, so there was a room you could never get past. Up until that point, you could play the game with your wits and skills alone. What if you had to replay the game 500,000 times before you could get a cheat to move onto other sections of the game?
That’s what MMOs (including GW2) are doing, and it’s unacceptable.
Noone is forcing us to get ascended/legendary items/weapons.
Except for the content that requires it, you mean? Do you like shooting yourself in the foot?
It still comes down to skill level, not stats.
If that’s true, then please enlighten me, what non-gear related skills are involved in playing GW2? I’m very interested. Please elaborate!
You were probably hoping that this would be a throwaway point that wouldn’t be picked up on, but I’m calling you out. I want you to tell me exactly what skills you’re talking about.
I highly doubt gw2 would’ve kept even half it’s player base if they never introduced ascended items and new content.
So, grinding and new content are mutually inclusive, now?
That explains why the content of most single player games is riddled with grind that takes months upon months to even come near to completing! …oh, wait. Single player games aren’t like that at all!
Now, let’s drop the silly inclusive comments, shall we?
Ppl woildve gotten bored having nothing to strive for in a game.
You’re turning a video game, a source of entertainment, into work. Oh, you poor thing, you actually believe what you’re saying, don’t you?
Then this must mean that I need to ‘strive for’ something when I sit down to watch a movie, or read a book, or listen to music. Perhaps I need to push a button on my TV 5,000 times before I can watch a show. That’s how it should be, right?
That’s what GW2 is, pushing a button on your TV 5,000 times before you can sit down to enjoy a show.
You max out and then your at a level playing field… Then what…
Then new content is brought out to justify money being put into the game. Most games do that with DLCs. You might have heard of them.
Guild Wars 1 did just fine doing that, and it’s still alive, kicking, and healthy.
