Guild Wars 2

Players are just as guilty of creating stacked servers.

Raspberry OP, l2p. 30 Strawberry with the cream trait or gtfo.

You seem to be neglecting the fact that you can kill the siege commander and the players following him. They are counter-able, and not entirely invincible, that and it helps stop spawn camping as well as providing much needed supply to players.

I think timing is the most important thing when fighting a S/D thief.

Nobody dodges 2 times in a row unless the situation absolutely requires it. I wait for the thief to dodge/flanking strike and start casting an attack (e.g. deathshroud fear on necro, skull crack on warrior, pistol whip on thief….). In case of flanking strike, this almost guarantees me a successfull hit, i don’t even have to move because flanking strike moves the thief directly to me.

I don’t spam autoattacks. When i miss an autoattack with a sword or hammer etc. the aftercast ist too long. Instead i turn autoattack off and try to always hit the thief when he is vulnerable. Like i said above, i try to time key attacks directly after flanking strike.

The S/D set has 2 hard hitting attacks: crippling strike and larcenous strike. Both with a very similar animation, but you can see (and hear) the difference. I try to avoid these, since they also are highly telegraphed.

Playing a S/D thief takes skill, as does countering it. It’s important to know the mechanics (the usual, so-called “l2p” issue) and to practice.
People often get frustrated because their accustomed playstyle and attack patterns don’t work against a S/D thief. Seeing “evaded evaded evaded” is very annoying.

So the best way to counter it is the same like it always should be. Make a thief, learn to play it and then search for a buddy who plays S/D and duel him. And duel him once again. You have nothing to loose in an empty hotjoin arena. You don’t have to get annoyed when you lose.

I don’t want to say that the spec istn’t strong. But there are enough “counters” to it. Sadly, most people are too lazy to realize it.

Welcome to Thief. Where weapon skillsets never make sense.

Good Day to all! Even you non-quaggans, coo! Crystal Desert has finally decided that we are in of need more Quaggans, specifically of the Oceanic and Euro variety. The Quaggan council has realized that if we are to fight dirty Yaks, banish the Mighty Flame Ram God, and many other evils we must recruit more Quaggans to the cause, Coo. Now, we are willing to welcome any stray quaggans to our community, but as quaggans, we enjoy our fun and ability to roam free so our Golem border patrol, might have to turn you away if occupancy is high. Have quaggan caught your attention yet, coo?

Well, if not, let quaggan explain benefits package recieved by all in the Quaggan Sanctuary provided by Crystal Desert’s very own Quaggan Conservation Society[QCS]. *Note: QCS Only provides the Quaggan Sanctuary. All benefits procured seperately via your local Quaggan Representative or our precious Asuran intern, Bloo. (She thinks she’s a quaggan, coo… it’s quite sad really.)

~Quaggan Cooings~
We, quaggan, hold two Cooings a week. (Any more would make some Quaggans lose thier voices and a Quaggan who can’t Coo is just a sad sight.) One of our Cooings is for our Quaggan Commanders to discuss threats to our Sanctuary and how we will keep them the Coo out of our home. The other Cooing is for all quaggan, even the littlest of baby quaggans. At the open Cooing, quaggans coo about many topics, including Quaggan Sanctuary Defense (most Quaggan Commanders will Coo at this time), Quaggan Higher Education, and, of course, Quaggan Parties. (Quaggans party everywhere from Orr to LA.)

(For the non-Quaggan literate)
Crystal Desert holds two community meetings a week; one for WvW planning & one for overall Community development and activities.

~Quaggan Higher Education~
As part of Quaggan life, Quaggan strive to always improve. In order for Quaggan to succeed, we have developed Quaggan friendly training for brave quaggans who venture into the realm of Yaks and Flame Rams. For the quaggans with OCD and a love of dank caves, we have organized activities to keep them busy for hours on end. (And out of our tails, Coo!)

(Again, translation for those non-quaggan, not that quaggan care or anything.)
Crystal Desert has an active set of WvW training courses held on a weekly basis, including class specific (currently, Mesmer, Guardian, Ranger, & Engineer), roaming/havoc, zerging/sieging and WvW basics courses. We have a Commander shadowing program that was very recently started. Also, for our PvP & PvE brethren, we have Orr Temple Runs, Dungeon guides, sPvP tournies, and Achievement point groups. Lastly, we occasionally have parades, giveaways, and scavenger hunts.

~Quaggan Community~
Quaggans aside, our server community on Crystal Desert tries to promote guild interactions as much as possible because we believe it creates a stronger bond for us as a community overall. In WvW, We have a healthy mix of roamers and zergs throughout the day so any playstyle should fit in well. Also, we have a 512-person Teamspeak Server for community use along with a Community Website & Forum. As for our policy for new guilds looking at us, we will not fund their transfer as we want players who want to be here and play alongside us. Once a guild is here, however, we will normally be more than willing to help that guild help itself get back on its feet in various ways. Lastly, yes, we do have trolls and forums warriors, but most every server has at least a few and ours are normally pretty tame.

If interested in joining us, please contact one of the following Crystal Desert players listed below.

Contact for General Questions
Grieve Logdan[SoH] (Grieve.1432)
Tyrlis[SoH] (Tyrlis.8072)
Alsyone[INC] (coldc.4093)

Contact for Oceanic/SEA
Echo[PA] (Echo.6207)
Vexia[PA] (Vexia.6538)
Alencon[KoME] (Bishop.7596)

Contact for PvE
Khatyala[PDoX] (Khatyala.7504)
Vexia[PA] (Vexia.6538)
Athens[Sig] (Athens Of Healing.4123)

Contact for WvW
Lychon[FKVA] (JakobGW.5730)
Daeronz[TDS] (Necro.6432)
Amber Vine[CLAV] (hmsgoddess.3869)

We shall leave you with… When Quaggans Attack!
http://youtu.be/ed7FWhke9K0

So says Commander Quaggan!

kuora.5402:

Actually I can think of a couple that will sell like hot cakes that isn’t p2w.

-cosmetic siege skins
-cosmetic guild banners that you kite around in battle
-cosmetic keep/camp/tower decorations
-commander tags
-commander tag colour changer

Cosmetic siege skins would actually be super cool, like being able to make all the catapults you put down throw quaggans or something.

Dunno about commander tag/tag color changer, though. The changer seems like a feature that should just be there.

LiSensei.4016:

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sorry wrong question. the right one is:

why would you force ppl to follow a commander ?

LiSensei.4016:

Players who are not in a Commander’s Squad receives a penalty on the amount of WEXP they receive.

And why you should force ppl to join a squad ?
I hate commanders and I hate to follow a commander that doesn’t represent me.
ATM: blu icon = stick – 1 1 1 1 tons of points with 0 effort.
Reward must be inversely proportional to the number of players

wow this event has changed a lot

mrstealth.6701:

ArchonWing.9480:

Except they are part of the competition. Just not in the way people demand…

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It’s time to stop posting b/c its well documented, even in the apology, that WvW is to played how each individual wants to play it.

All you are doing is making yourself look bad and misrepresenting your server.

Enough.

Jinks.2057:

mrstealth.6701:

ArchonWing.9480:

Except they are part of the competition. Just not in the way people demand…

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It’s time to stop posting b/c its well documented, even in the apology, that WvW is to played how each individual wants to play it.

All you are doing is making yourself look bad and misrepresenting your server.

Enough.

Agreed, ANET, plz do everyone a favor and lock this thread already…

Brando.1374:

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

because in GW2 this is the GvG we have.

If you want to go play GW1 GvG go ahead. but do not come here and tell us GW2 players this is not “real” GvG.

if you want to go 8v8 there is sPvP for that.

This is not. It’s two mini zergs clashing into eachother. There is 0 strategy or offering split squads or anything of the like. No strategy involved. Don’t get me wrong, I get it. It’s the only avenue guilds have at the moment.

But if you think 15v15 or 20v20 in an area the size of a tennis court involves any strategy (not skill, strategy) then your mistaken. You may as well host GvG’s in Hill’s Lord’s rooms, at least spectators could sit and watch from above like a real gladiator arena. Or that Bloodlust node. It’s the same style of ‘smashing into eachother’ … or ‘dropping the bomb’ … joke.

Hopefully Anet will eventually get to adding something where it will require people to think, and move. Strike and Counter strike.

It’s still fun in it’s own way, but not nearly as enjoyable and very much reminds me of watching my 6 year old’s soccer team all chasing a ball.

Fort Ranik because i haven’t face them yet

The Words – “Random Match Up” has a whole new meaning now xD.

Nuance.4872:

He wanted to stop ‘kill trading’ an hour before rest when his server is 150k+ up. Hilarious, I can see he does love his server.

Also anyone else notice how that apology is the typical, ‘We here at (insert company name) apologize for the action of our staff.’

He didn’t apologize, ANet pr did.

In any respectable company or other group it is the team leader who takes responsibility first. I agree that it is the usual PR-filtered talk but that kind of response only shows how dedicated ANet is.

Stark.1350:

This thread needs to be locked.

Yes

gennyt.3428:

There is your account of this person’s personality and then there’s the video >.>. Granted some of the comments went too far in my opinion. But if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, its a duck. This person was acting like a kittenhead and they got called on it, as they should.

Nobody deserves to get 25 pages of public lynching over what he did. Nobody is a saint 24/7. I’m not saying the mistakes he made were right. I’m just letting people know he’s a good guy and loves the game as we do. He already feels remorseful about his mistake as Chris Whiteside has stated on his behalf which I believe is meant. There is no need for the ongoing hate train it’s completely out of proportion.

If you have an issue with WvW/GvG then put it on the doorstep of the people that are responsible for that not a person who is not.

Nuance.4872:

He didn’t apologize, ANet pr did.

He did apologize through Chris Whiteside. It’s part of Anet pr’s job to make public statements on employees behalf in such situations as they probably aren’t allowed to do so personally. Similar to having a lawyer read out your case/standpoint. Doesn’t mean it’s any less meant in the slightest. Knowing the person involved I believe it is. It’s just what company’s do and certainly isn’t a good excuse for the continued undeserved hatred.

Stark.1350:

This thread needs to be locked.

This ^

This thread needs to be locked.

Xcom.1926:

I had to laugh at Riondron copy/paste post because it has nothing to do with the discussion. Those rules are completely irrelevant and mean nothing in terms of this topic. All it says is “ANet can do whatever they want”. Sure they can. And as customers people can tell them how they feel.

Are you saying ANet is going to ban people if they GvG in WvW? They would never do something like that in a million years. That action itself would be a death sentence in terms of PR.

I certainly did not say nor imply that Anet would do such a thing. I clearly outlined their rules that stated the ToC’s definition of what constitutes not actively participating in matches in good faith. Their rules, not mine.

Sube Dai.8496:

@Riondron – none of that means kitten if no one is playing the game.

People are complaining because they care. And if ANet continues to ignore what people say, they won’t have any players left.

Over 3,500,000 copies of GW2 was sold just in the first year. Are you seriously going suggest that All of those players will leave the game, just because 1,000 or even 10,000 players are crying foul?…..I don’t even know how to respond to that.

Lurch.9517:

………………………………..NEWS FLASH………………………………….

Computer gaming company hires nerdy idiot lacking interpersonal skills, said employee upsets nerdy customers.

………………………………JUST IN…………………………………………

Nerdy idiot customers outraged at the fact that nerdy customers are upset with the computer gaming company.

/thread

Great post. He’s not customer service. I don’t agree with what he said, but people should chill out. Saying he should be fired for it is insane and frankly should be embarrassing to anyone suggesting so. Turn down the nerd rage plz.

This thread doesn’t need 1200+ posts either….oh great I added another. -.-

PT.3
And now to the final issue, WvW vs. GvG:
This is mentioned twice in the RULES:
HERE "disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith

AND HERE " disrupting a PvP match by not actively playing in good faith, or any other form of PvP griefing, exploitation, or abuse

WvW is a game that is defined by 3v3 server matches, with capture and control points, which contribute to points gain every 15 minutes and adds up over the course of a match week to determine a winner for the overall ranking of a designated ladder. This was the intended design of the game, and all the crafting stations, jumping puzzles, bloodlust capture points, map completion points, WXP gains and ranks were integrated into that design, whether you like it or not. Stop complaining.

NO PLACE, in the vision and design and of this game mode is any official implementation of a GVG mechanic that actively contributes to any type of format that determines a server’s given rank. Nor is there any in-game support, arena, map, instance, points tracking, match-making, or venue for this ‘community made’ play style. So for the 15 min to 1 hour gvg’ers are claiming a spot on a map, points gain is being determined bay on official counter. And in doing so, the gvg’ers in question DID NOT “actively participate(ing) in matches in good faith” This can also be loosely interpreted under the “any other form of PvP griefing, exploitation, or abuse” rule (that us up to the discretion of the game designers, not the players). And to believe otherwise is a delusional rationalization that since they paid for the game, then the can do what they want.

GvG just is not endorsed or supported in the game in any form. Players claiming ‘their right’ to do it is never mentioned in the Rules of Conduct.

So stop crying about how Anet is screwing you, stop cussing at the Dev’s, stop calling for employee firings, stop interfering with the WvW players who actually do “have the right” to play the game in its intended form, stop comparing to ‘other’ games that support GvG, stop demanding answers to you self-righteous questions, and stop threating to leave the game or ban gem purchases. In essence, stop acting like petulant children and either play the game as it is intended to be according to the rules, or just go play a different game, as it is blatantly obvious that you are NOT satisfied with playing GW2.
If Anet wanted GvG in the game, none of these discussions would exist. But they didn’t. And with the way the “GvG Community” keeps disrespecting Anet as they do, it may NEVER be implemented into the game. SO DEAL WITH IT!!!

PT. 1
I took some time out of my day to search the form posts dating several months back, and also some of the Dev. tracker posts. I did this to try to a feeling of what the community as a whole thinks about the GvG vs. WvW issue. Then I further searched the Official Rules of Conduct and Legal Information for more clarity this issue, and I will quote certain aspects of then which have the direct relevancy. Everyone of us had to agree to the conditions set forth by NCSOFT and Arenanet before you could log into the game.

“b. NCSOFT has no obligation under any circumstances to review any information, feedback or communication related to the Game. NCSOFT may, in its sole and absolute discretion, choose to review any information, feedback or communication related to the Game. NCSOFT may take any action, or no action whatsoever, based on any information, feedback or communication related to the Game, including but not limited to publicly commenting upon or publishing the foregoing. NCSOFT has no obligation to explain any decision to take any action, or no action whatsoever, based on any information, feedback or communication related to the Game”

*This is the answer to everyone complaining over why they don’t ‘have to’ respond to all the constant bantering, and that they ‘can’ respond in anyway they choose. This includes the whole GW2 community. It is also made quite clear in all of the RoC that THEY own the game, the copyrights, and the content, not THE PLAYERS. And also that THEY make the RULES……So stop with all of the hate toward them, about how they are ruining “your game” as it is clearly NOT your game.

“You acknowledge that NCSOFT may in its sole and absolute discretion provide subsequent versions, enhancements, modifications, upgrades or patches related to any part of the Service.”

*Again stating that since THEY own the game, THEY get to decide what content is added or not added. This includes Living Story, map changes, questlines, updates, PvE, Rankings, Rewards, WvW, Leagues, if/or GvG, Server Population, etc….THEY are the only ones who can dictate the overall content and how the game is played, not US.

PT. 2
*This next section will cover the incident that started this thread:

“i. Reported violations of Rules of Conduct that have merit — NCSOFT may take any action, or no action whatsoever, based on communications regarding violation of the Rules of Conduct related to any Account, including but not limited to termination of an Account under Section 3(b) or Section 3©. NCSOFT has no obligation to explain any decision to take any action, or no action whatsoever, based on communications regarding violation of the Rules of Conduct related to any Account.”

“ii. Reported violations of Rules of Conduct that lack merit — If NCSOFT, in its sole and absolute discretion, determines that You are associated with any communication regarding violations of the Rules of Conduct that lacks merit, NCSOFT may take any action it deems appropriate under the circumstances, including but not limited to termination of Your Account under Section 3(b) or Section 3©.”

“11.You will follow the instructions of authorized personnel while in Guild Wars 2 or on the official Guild Wars 2 website.”

“1.While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.”

“22.While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.”

“The following will result in either a temporary account suspension or permanent account termination, depending upon the severity of the matter

•Inappropriate in-game behavior, such as obscene, offensive, or racist talk or behavior; abuse of another player; harassment; etc.

•Engaging in PvP match manipulation, disrupting a PvP match by not actively playing in good faith, or any other form of PvP griefing, exploitation, or abuse"

In summation:
They have no obligation to explain their action regarding the infraction on the OP, or how they handled the Dev. in question: they don’t have to explain themselves to players who ‘demand’ answers.

We the players are obligated to follow the instructions of company personnel: the DEV. had every right to tell them to stop.

We must be adults and respect other players in the game, and not use foul language, which is an infractable offence.

I’m disappointed to see how vicious some people are being.

For starters, having watched all of the video, I feel it’s clear that when he arrived, it could have looked like there was kill swapping going on. Even the people who were there have stated that at times it was very one sided fighting.

As an ArenaNet employee, it’s really his obligation to investigate this. Did he perhaps make the wrong assumption about what was happening? Maybe. But you know what, he’s human, just like the rest of us. And human beings make mistakes.

Many people have said that they think it’s impossible he didn’t know what people were doing there and so obviously came to troll them. This is a very self-centered point of view. Not everyone WvW’s on a regular basis. Even among those that do, not everyone uses the WvW maps to GvG. Regardless, even if that IS the area that GvG goes on at, if there is something going on there that breaks the TOS, then ANet will check it out.

The barrage of foulmouthed vitriol that got unleashed on him was undeserved no matter what someone does. What is wrong with people that they think it’s acceptable to talk to anyone that way? I’ve seen it time and time again in Queensdale when people who are farming champions absolutely lose their minds that someone has DARED to kill a champion when NOT on the train. Do they consider that not everyone wants to play that way? That some people enjoy a challenge, or even – and be sitting down for this one – might just be new to the game and are just doing events as they come across them? Sadly, all to often the answer is no. Because far too often, people never consider other points of view than their own.

The next assumption made by many is that he turned on his tag to show off or intimidate. He didn’t do this until people started swearing at him (an action completely against the TOS). Had anyone been getting that kind of verbal abuse, I would expect an ANet staffer in the area to step in to try to defuse the situation and calm things down. Something, I might add, that I have personally witnessed this ANet staffer do on multiple occasions. Even his comment about why he was there has been twisted to mean that he was implying ANet doesn’t support GvG. Yes, he referred to it as “my game”. That’s because like most of the ANet staff I know, he’s very committed to it and passionate about it. I work for an airline, and I talk about “my planes” all the time. It’s just a phrase. Unfortunately in this case, all of his actions were interpreted by a group that seems very hostile to ANet, and represented in the worst possible light in this thread.

The whole thing I think has been blown ridiculously out of proportion. It’s pretty obvious that the topic of GvGing on the WvW maps is a hot topic for many, with people passionate about the issue on both sides. It’s pretty clear to me that he became a target for a lot of people’s frustrations about the issue.

He made a mistake in thinking that what was happening was breaking the TOS. He used a phrase that people took wrong. And people assumed he used his tag to dominate them when he was just trying to stop people from being jerks.

I know he is upset about how people are interpreting his actions because they are SO WRONG about his motives. He loves the game. He loves WvW. He loves his home server. He hates to see it getting abused. He hates to see people’s fun being ruined by other people’s bad behaviour. But he is one of the most kind hearted, open minded individuals it has EVER been my privilege to get to know. So to have people see him in that light is, I’m sure, very upsetting to him. To have the situation become so negative would be equally very upsetting to him.

I would ask that everyone who knows him (and many of us on the server do and play regularly with him) to be just as vocal in your support of him as the people who seem to be screaming for his head are.

No one is perfect. He certainly doesn’t claim to be perfect. But he has worked very hard to make the game what it is today, and has always been a fantastic representative for ANet.

For those who have made judgements on his actions, please consider, even if for just a few moments, the different view point I have made above. And in the end, please remember that to err is human, and to forgive is divine.

(Edit – I want to make it clear, I’m not speaking FOR him. I have barely talked to him since this happened, and all my comments are based on my observations of him over the time I’ve known him.)

Copestetic.5174:

Jesus Christ. Prior to watching this GvG video, I almost thought ( from what it sounded like ) that it might be a good deal to have as a form of competitive PvP officially. Wow, freaking Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry in GW1 would have been better candidate than this mess.

There is no way in Hell, that I’d ever want this introduced as such. Frankly, we need more Devs like this with the same opinion.

GW1 GvG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFWvdyCk1Uo

Notice how it’s…balanced? No kittenty food buffs? No spamfests? People aren’t cluster kittened into a ball?

Yeah, no thanks on this form of GvG for 2.

Finally someone who realizes what the wvw players call gvg can’t be taken seriously. If anet actually did release gvg it wouldn’t be the zerg ball that all these entitled gvg players want

Xom.9264:

Burnfall.9573:

Infact, all of those GvG’s who insulted and humiliated that Arena.net staff should be forever banned..

The Anet Dev was clearly 100% trolling there is no possible way he did not exactly know what was going on from the start. Pretending to be ignorant of the windmill location and two sides clearly doing a GvG deathmatch… right not buying it.

Every single instance of a person messing with a GvG I have been involved in was a troll just trying to ruin other peoples fun, excluding one time an upleveled jumped in….

Those people treated a troll like a troll, anet or not he was trolling. He knows he was trolling everyone in anet knows he was trolling.

the end.

Everyone agreed to the games TOS/EULA even the Dev in question that took part in this GvG trolling. Calling out insults clearly seen in the video isn’t okay either regardless of the situation and people should be held accountable for breaking the rules like everyone else is.

In short two wrongs don’t make one right

The End..