I play wvw every day… and mesmers at the moment are well balanced.
Thanks for the best joke of the week. This comment MUST come from a mesmer player.
Mesmer is NOT balanced at all, when it comes WvWvW roaming. In fact since June 23rd more than half of all enemy roamers I have met have been mesmers. If one profession makes more than half of the player base for certain role, then we have a serious issue with balance. 2-3 mesmer enemy teams are very common, but I have also seen group of 10+ enemy players were more than half of them were mesmers. The clones make it look like a zerg from a distance. Granted the latter is not common.
Currently mesmer has way too many defenses compared to burst or condition pressure it can pump at same time. PU mesmer has crazy amount of stealth, rivalled only by a d/p thief. You usually need 3-5 enemy players to take down 1 PU mesmer.
I have said this many times:
Perpexility runes are a broken set of runes, which should either be toned down or removed from the game. These runes are not a mesmer specific problem, but an overpowered source of confusion for any profession.
A well said quote from that thread:
“As far as WvW goes, condi dire PU is the single most unbalanced build to ever exist. Played correctly, it has literally zero counters except for vastly outnumbering it,”
Yea, its true. now take that dire perplex cheese to your friendly GWEN zergmander and see all your condis get cleansed by everything from everyone about 10 times per second, + try to go throug hany hot chokes or anything like that with them while your blink is on CD, go for it, I dare you. Lets see how that works out for you. Then come back here and tell me more about imbalance.
O add to that veil and portal on your utility bar, 1 of which will be on permament CD due to obvious, the other useless.
If you are dead, they are shatter burst mesmers using PU.
If you are not dead, they are condi mesmers, so you’ll die soon. Oh, forgot to mention, they are also using PU.
Because frig, that stuff is broken and they need to fix that perma stealth bs already
Ah, good to see we’ve got another mindless spewer of Mesmer vitriol in town. I was beginning to worry we’d driven them all off…
Protip: It’s not PU that’s killing you, you’re just worse than them.
It isn’t like they are in huge demand for WvW groups.
I haven’t seen any WvW guild advertising for mesmers for at least a year and a half.
It is always Eles, Guards, Warriors or Necros.
Why shouldn’t classes like Mesmers and Thieves be good at the solo/small group roaming?
You got it right. I love WvW but it’s nuts with the amount of guards, wars, eles, and necros in zergs. We just played a server and that’s all they ran. One big condi blob of endless aoe. I have all the classes but I rarely see a mesmer zerging unless they are on the outskirts and there for portals and what not. Being in FA we just fought a server that seemed to use them as scouts. They would annoy us if we had a handful back capping because they would hug portals and guards and then disappear when we would cap. We were never sure if they were stealthed either so after awhile we just moved on.
I agree too with roaming mesmers and thieves. Why not right. If you like roaming then more power to ya but people shouldn’t criticize someone for using a class available to all of us just because they can’t beat it. I hate the endless clones and the stealth for days but I deal with it.
I don’t roam, roamers to me are walking gankers. Most of their kills are people trying to get somewhere who aren’t traited for roaming but traited for WvW zerging.
Everywhere I go, I bump into Mesmer roamers…
Lone wolf or wolf packs…
Harsh and cold in the wintry desert…
If Mesmers were wells, one would never thirst in the desert of WvW…
And you always kill them right? Because half of them don’t understand the class mechanics well and a lot are new so what your saying is your thankful for the free bags right?
Lol you may meet the occasional good one who puts up a fight but overall a lot are terrible lol. Fought 3 yesterday in WvW on necro, won 2/3, (3rd guy had reinforcements come but he prolly would have won anyways lol), but the other two were straight easy. One was pure glass who got hit by two life blasts, tried to stealth and heal, then got down by life transfer while in stealth. If you know enough about Mesmer it’s really easy to counteract a lot of these guys so I don’t see to big of a problem with it lol.
Some former main mesmer players I know and play with switched to other professions because they consider the current state of mesmers unbearable, some of them even expressed, they don’t think they can get better at the game when the profession and their players rely on the current imbalances.
If mesmers were so unbalanced and crazy strong, we’d see them dominating in tournaments. Unfortunately for your “argument”, they don’t dominate in tournaments. They’re at least played in tournaments now, which is a step up from before…but hardly ‘unbearably unbalanced’. Any Mesmer main that switched to another class due to recent buffs isn’t a Mesmer main, they’re just a hipster that wants to be a special snowflake and always play the worst class in the game.
Lets face it, the only thing Thief is better than mesmer is in the mobility department. Everything else Mesmer does better. There’s nothing like summoning Phantasms from ranged and chunking the enemy or blowing their dodge while still being in stealth. D/P Thief stealth is on demand true, but can be interrupted unless they carry black powder to blast it. The usual D/P BP+HS combo however can be interrupted and can punish the thief pretty heavily. Meanwhile mesmers pretty much get free passes to one shot almost any zerker build just because of the extended stealth durations and rewards being in stealth with really strong defensive boons, on top of that, invulns and blinds.
Short story/ Mesmers are Thieves 2.0, though with lower mobility.
Just some tips since people seem to have left their brains switched off…
Ranger has access to “Sic Em” – it applies Revealed
Engineer trait has access to Revealed debuff via traits
Stealth Disruptor Trap exists. Start using it. But first, start using your brains.
Most PU Mesmers don’t carry much condi-cleanse, or only have 1, therefore they are weak against conditions. Immobilize them to set up a burst, CC them etc… preferably AFTER you’ve applied Revealed to them to make it easier.
Trapper builds via thief/ranger work well against a stealthed mesmer
Turn your sound up/on; you can hear the enemy Mesmer’s skills (stealth) going on/off CD and may help you distinguish where exactly they are
A fix that isn’t even complete yet and everyone’s kittening themselves. That shows how neglected WvW has been.
You need to forgive people who have been walking in the dark tunnel for 3 years and see a glimpse of light at the far end. Naturally they would run to embrace the hero …
Considering the last few glimpses of light were trains coming head on, they might want to be a little careful running towards it.
WvW roaming is all about theory crafting OP builds.
You can certainly still play build that is slightly suboptimal. But you have to extremely good to achieve half the result of playing OP builds.
So… uh… Every day you see more and more roamers that has purposebuilt condi specs for roaming, but since you havent built for countering it roaming is officially dead.
Theres is some sort of problem with that argument but I cant quite put my finger on it.
The worst thing about fighting thieves are the Runes of Vampirism…
You realize mesmers are sole reason why every single thief is forced into this rune in pvp? Before patch i wouldn’t even touch it, now i have no choice.
The point is that they shouldn’t be allowed to have it. They should just die. This goes for all classes.
If this is how game would get balanced we would end up with only mesmers in game and it would be very boring
Oh please, thief hero. You’ve erased every single berserker spec in the game from the meta before mesmers got buffed and now that there’s another apex berserker in the game you’re in “buff thieves” propaganda mode again.
Shouldn’t you be in the pvp forums telling people on stealth abuse/spamming backstab on blocks/blinds “l2p” instead of polluting our forums?
If only my mindwrack refunded its cooldown and clones whenever it was blocked/blinded.
When you see a thief coming, make an offhanded comment about how Thieves have never been nerfed. When you see them begin to launch into a diatribe about how Thieves have been the single most nerfed class in the game, albiet all games ever, and how in need of buffs they are, interrupt them with an old, standard Thief response of “L2P”. Then, while stunned, burst them.
Don’t bother stomping the downed, just DPS it while running and jumping around in circles.
If someone were to hypothetically leave an autoclicker on for a server transfer lets say, over night, they might have a chance of getting in, right? Hypothetically speaking ofcouse.
Do you even read your forum posts?
This is going on for months and nothing has been done.
And don’t tell me to report or submit your kittening ticket, because it’s a kitten PERMA STEALTH THIEF. Tell me how to report an idiot when you can’t even see/click on them, there is not even combat log.
DO SOMETHING
I still see QQ about PU, I see QQ about burst, QQ about condi.
I see QQ from people everywhere. The funniest is from thieves especially ones that were running extremely trolly and forgivable builds pre patch.
Edit: Ha ha as I was typing someone never fails to post meeting my expectations.
Cyber Murmeli, if you nerf PU, where do mesmers get their defence from? After nearly 3 years no-one without some kind of mental handicap is falling for clones and there’s now no penalty to cleaving them out which neuters our damage and ability to shatter.
We lost most of our cripple and weakness on clone death so without PU we have what?
Umm.. Kiting..? Distortion.. Lost of stuff.. People made it work, its player that makes profession viable. If stealth is your only protection (Trying to facetank enemy dps when not in stealth) maybe concider changing class.. xP
So a 40-50s cool down distortion and something every class can do, kite. So every other class can have a multitude of blinds, blocks, invulns, stealth, weakness, cripple, chill (conditions to help kite) high vigor uptime, protection, aegis, swiftness and reliable boon procs but Mesmer has to make do with kite and a single use of distortion outside some weird terrible signet build?
No, Mesmer isn’t allowed nice stuff, heaven forbid it be any more friendly than a rabid Rottweiler to new players.
Disclaimer: Rottweilers are actually nice dogs but have a bad rep but used in the example for the bad rep.
Probably because a lot of the people complaining weren’t really looking for balance or fixes, they just wanted to see mesmer get nerfed. That and irrational stealth hate that has plagued thieves and mesmers since pretty much the beginning of the game.
I still see QQ about PU, I see QQ about burst, QQ about condi.
I see QQ from people everywhere. The funniest is from thieves especially ones that were running extremely trolly and forgivable builds pre patch.
Edit: Ha ha as I was typing someone never fails to post meeting my expectations.
Cyber Murmeli, if you nerf PU, where do mesmers get their defence from? After nearly 3 years no-one without some kind of mental handicap is falling for clones and there’s now no penalty to cleaving them out which neuters our damage and ability to shatter.
We lost most of our cripple and weakness on clone death so without PU we have what?
Mm yes, this thread is going to go well. Unsubstantiated complaints, calling mesmer overpowered, claiming faceroll in PvP, making little to no sense in the whole post, it ticks all the boxes!
Edit: Post history shows a grand pattern of nonstop forum trolling too. Yeah, this one is off too a great start!
I’ve never seen any other class in a tournament match that’s able to consistently down a d/d cele ele. Why do you think Abjured sends ele to Home or Far at the start of every match? Well.. besides the fact that the ele can contest the point for days.
That said, i’ve seen other classes push an Ele off point… which it technically a win o_o
but the ele comes back 7 seconds later and starts pwning again.
still while shatter mes could be able to kill him he’s gonna lose point after 4 secs…and for the time it takes to down him ele already won stalling a key tf spec into a 1v1 on a neutral point, let alone he can still disengage if things start to go the wrong way (And maybe coming back full hp 5 secs later and decap again) cause as everyone knows dd is so balanced that on top of being basically unkillable 1v1, with awesome team support it also has a enough mobility to being able to outrun anything else except for thief (Expec when running fgs)
I’d like to see an answer from anet tho…what do they think about eles right now
They nerfed rampage (And honestly it was kinda deserved even if war now totally sux)
They toned down mesmer a bit (Deserved too)
but they did nothing about the most broken crap pvp had ever seen since 1 year ago….so at this point i’d really want to know what are they planning to do about it
you know…stuff like talking with your customers, letting them know what are you doing about well knows problems, things like that..
Well this is just what the lower level servers needed, a hacker that takes away all the fun from the opposing server. And as always Anet is right on top of this hacker…..
/sarcasm off.
My point is: make WvW more “mobile” and fast-paced. Put some waypoints here and there. Or give us freaking tanks or armored transports lol. Do something. For now, it looks like 80% of running, 10% fighting mobs and 10% of actuall pvp. <abashed>
But… there are waypoints all over the place? Hills, bay, garrison, border keep when they are upgraded. The entire border gameplay revolves around getting those waypoints up.
WvW is alot of running, true. But its not anywhere near that bad. Zergs clash all the time. If you roam on an empty border meeting no one there is a reason for that – its empty.
The OP called his garrison (or possibly citadel) his “main castle”. Odds are he is pretty darn new to WvW. He probably showed up for golem week an never saw a wp since nothing was being upgraded.
At this point in time I am doubtful I will buy the expansion, for various reasons, but mainly lack of info, transparency and lack of support for wvw.
You can play any of the other game modes and feel like your being rewarded and enjoy your self. WvW is only a case of enjoying one self and really not being rewarded. I find my self in pve often to fuel my addiction WvW because it out right costs me more than I make in rewards( see food, upgrades, siege cost etc).
The thing is none of the announcements aside from the recent server population and ooo look a shiny new map do anything to address the problems that WvW has. The new map has EoTM Ktrain written all over it. We have no news of any attempts to fix WvW and make progresses and playtime rewarding in WvW other than we might have ktrain events like the golem event in the near future.
Top it all off we still dont have a release date and we still don’t know exactly what were getting with the expansion. Really the only thing for the pvp/wvw player base all we are getting is class specs and reverant for 50$, the rest we get regardless if we have the epac or not. Which isnt really a good value.
[Cya] TC Roamer/Scout
I Play WvW to have fun. I don’t find it fun anymore. Therefore I don’t play.
I don’t think it was a ploy just an honest well intentioned attempt that was horribly thought out. I am beyond being angry at this point and can leave it at “please don’t do that again”
on another note for all of us in here complaining there are just as many running around in golems taking advantage of it . maybe even more so. its the cost of attracting mainstream.
on the subject of “game community hate and vitriol” its not just pc and console gamers that are out of control. people are just being awful to each other worldwide. soccer stadiums filled with rioting fans trampling each other, basketball games that end up with mobs of people destroying blocks of city, civil unrest over events released in the news when the claims haven’t even been investigated and the trial hasn’t even happened yet. too many cases to talk about and going into specifics would just derail the thread. I think the current media that people have access to is part of the problem. there’s an average intelligence level – 50% of the population worldwide falls below it. media is so easy they can read react and they have a voice. add a little manipulation from the top of intelligence scale that has an agenda and you get media firestorms that translate into real life consequences. I think a good portion of humanity is emotionally driven knuckle draggers without the ability for rational thought . and then the moderately intelligent people get drawn into their crap because it starts to impact their lives and so they to must speak only adding to the “noise”
It is normally why I don’t even bother going into forums. I’d rather play the game and avoid the drama and the trolls and overall negativity. that being said even I had to come speak out against this event. before this post it has been 10 months since I posted anything and this is the most I’ve posted over the course of 2 years. literally this event broke the one reason I play gw2 to the point I am on the forums. when I am on the forum then I am not happy with the game and I am pretty easy to keep happy.
Anyone else wondering if this was a ploy to make people appreciate regular WvW again?
I mean think about it, there is no way anyone is stupid enough to think this event was a good idea. Maybe they realized just how terrible and broken it would be and how happy we would be to have regular WvW back once it ended.
Now it will likely be awhile before anyone asks for them to pay attention to WvW again.
