Guild Wars 2

coglin.1867:

Sich.7103:

If it’s to the player to drive WvW why did they add so much automatic stuff ? And sentry who show ennemy on map ? They remove a lof of human interaction to add scripted AI…

They did some automatic stuff because it was overwhelmingly demanded for. Trolls building questionable siege in order to burn supply to prevent upgrades from occurring were getting bad. But they were building siege that could be argued wasn’t direct trolling.

I am a little unsure how you missed the very daily new thread about trolls, as they occurred, well, daily, because it was such a problem. This solved that. It was extensively discussed in many many threads. I am not certain how you could have missed it.

Sentry’s showing enemies on maps was also very heavily discussed and very often requested. I am not certain how you missed that either to be totally honest.

Both those additions removed many more real problems then the faux problems I see posters having to use paragraphs to try to create.

I often wonder where some of the posters who do not like it were during all of the discussion before the changes occurred. I often see many of the posters complaining, have post history displaying their support in the very aspects they complain about now. Which is really odd.

Even trolls lost their motivation so yeah in that aspect the automated upgrades is a huge success. Instead of having active gamemasters to react on all the reports they came up with this.

I have already say that this map and mechanics are fine for guild playing only at prime time and focusing on fight.
Btw this map is perfect for that.

You join, you don’t care about nothing, just searching the dot from ennemy on map… You run, you make your fight, and you continu.

Don’t need to care about defense, structures are useless. No need to check upgrade, all is automatic. No need for scouts, sentry tell you where the ennemy are and the lord can defend the keep the time you join the fight.

But for a lot of other people, playing at off peak time, that’s not the same story.

WvWvW was my main game mode and I loved it, now I’m playing WvWvW 90% less post the BL changes.

The new map is good, it let me know Mount & Blade and now i stopped playing Gw2.

Ok changed my mind, I’ve given up defending this garbage of an auto upgrade system. WvW and GW2 in general is being stowed away. GG anet

Running a havoc guild previously. Anet has destroyed WvW for smaller guilds. We can’t take objectives because we can’t hold enough supplies, which we can’t upgrade because building a guild hall takes large guilds with multiple players working constantly. No one enjoys playing in the borderlands, EB is queued ridiculously. Did any of the Anet developers run with any smaller guilds while “testing out” WvW ? Or was it all zerg. I mean…even pulling the repair merchant from the EB keep and making us go to spawn.

gg

I’m on a T2 server and it’s dead here as well. Last night at 10 EST on reset night and not a queue on a single BL.

TehHobNob.4687:

Well to be fair you can’t even do your dalies in Wvw. Ruins master and vet slayer still can’t be bothered to be changed 17 days after it was recognized as a problem….. But then again they did say they were Wvw focused after expac so we can expect some changes soo………. Hahahahahaha T.T we are the unwanted stepchild.

They nerfed the farm nodes, thats enough updates for 2 months. Fixing dailies will be done in january, 2017

Well to be fair you can’t even do your dalies in Wvw. Ruins master and vet slayer still can’t be bothered to be changed 17 days after it was recognized as a problem….. But then again they did say they were Wvw focused after expac so we can expect some changes soo………. Hahahahahaha T.T we are the unwanted stepchild.

That is exactly the same thing happening to me. I am in ET, you can tell i am even in a worse situation

I remained hopeful. I tried to be positive. Tried to keep the morale of my server up. But it wasn’t enough. We were a low pop server to begin with, and now the HoT changes it’s killed us.

Just after release of HoT, we lost a significant guild to a higher tier server. Saturday we lost our largest guild to a higher tier server. Sunday another guild plans to leave. Next weekend, the second largest guild is voting on leaving. Yet another guild has started deliberating on leaving and we expect them to do so.

The new maps and the changes to WvW as a result of the HoT expansion have killed us. The new auto-upgrade mechanics have decimated the borderlands. We were a low pop server to begin with, the new borderlands made that almost impossible to hold the borderlands objectives for any period of time now. We just don’t have the coverage.

With the departure of all our larger WvW guilds to higher tiers, looking for larger populations to help fill the maps, those remaining are completely demoralised. From tier 5 a few months ago, we’re about to hit T8.

Combined with the absolutely ludicrous changes the Guild Hall has forced upon us which are clearly disadvantaging smaller guilds, we’ve practically given up on WvW. The Guild Hall alone is so expensive that those of us in smaller guilds are never going to be able to gain anything that would help us in WvW as we did before. The ludicrous level 37 requirement for +5 supply? Are you seriously delusional?

Today one of the co-leaders of my guild informed me that he is not playing anymore. He’s not interested in PvD and hates that we’re being forced into PvE. He hates that the maps feel so completely empty. With the departure of the larger guilds, and the descent to lower tiers, that’s only going to get worse.

Being curious, I checked the guild roster. There are quite a few players that haven’t logged in to the game in between 2 and 3 weeks now. Our guild is dying. Our server is dying. Our community has given up and is either moving away, or quitting the game entirely.

So thank you, Anet. Thank you for destroying the game I enjoyed. I never played PvE or PvP. It was WvW I enjoyed. The chaos of unstructured skirmishes. Not blobs, but skirmishes. And now you’ve destroyed that for us. My server is a ghost land and WvW is merely where you go to get your dailies now.

Dawdler.8521:

Catalin.5341:

I don’t really understand why scouts think auto-upgrades and no supply needed for them are a bad thing.

Because auto-upgrades give them no reason to be at a keep/tower/camp other than to cap it.

Yes, its as simple as that. It doesnt really have to do with scouts. It has to do with players having the very basic reason for being in WvW.

When you remove that you get a game that’s playing itself.

This was exactly my reason behind my post pleading with the devs to remove auto-upgrades. It has ruined the game for me, now I am no longer needed. After almost 3 yrs of game play…

Offair.2563:

^ Manual upgrades – running dolyaks – keeping camps safe/reflip them, THAT generated fights for roamers. And that is all gone now with this auto pilot.

This. The old love is gone in these new layered pve maps, devs claim to listen yet this very basic feature that makes magic in wvw is taken out.

And what an excellent well written post OP. Im just glad EB isnt all that changed, as that is the map Ive always stayed in. The stealth fountain is redicilous though.

coglin.1867:

Dawdler.8521:

coglin.1867:

When you talk about not worrying about losing a keep because you will simply recap it for the benefits, then you are part of the problem as I see it. Seems to me that you are promoting Ktraining out of a pure inability to adapt.

Inability to adapt to what? The new completely kitten backwards design that plays on basic human psychology and make players not feel needed as opposed to an upgrade system that encouraged player involvement?

Yeah you are right. I may just be a little unable to adapt to that.

I am glad you agree I am right, thank you. But what exactly was your complaint here? Your wording is so obscure and non specific. Can you conceptualize and explain better?

If your unhappy with the new maps, why do you have 37 post in the earlier threads demanding that we needed new maps?

While I am incredibly curious how you managed to rummage through my 68 pages of posted posts on this forum in order to find 37 specific posts in threads about a very specific topic. I tried to browse through the history but hell if I can find anything.

Well, except one on what the future of WvW is, posted in may:

“A new map everyone will probably dislike, traits thats totally gonna mess up the balance and lag thats never going to be solved.

Oh and the same stale matchups.

Sorry."

I lol at myself :p

But I digress. I’m afraid I cant explain any better for you, because it wouldnt help.

I’ve also saved a lot of money on gems that I’m no longer buying – it’s great! I log in for the daily login reward, look at the prices of some items I’m hoarding, and then log out! I used to play GW2 on the weekend for 10+ hours, and so far I’ve played 5 minutes!

What’s also sad is that I don’t even know what to do on the weekend anymore. I used to play GW2. Now I just sleep.

Couldnt describe it better. It`s sad, its annoying and its rly dissappointing. New BL`s killed small groups/night shifters/roaming. They coul`ve changed BLs or add some new ones, but cmon… Completly removing old ones? Thats totally sux. Something have been lost on the pursuit for freshness and changes. Its not just another weekly complaining of haters, no its something more now, something that may actually kill WvW and possibly whole game now. This isnt right. Dont know if u guys follow moods in game, but WvW will die shortly if u wont do something about it.

Roamer.

coglin.1867:

When you talk about not worrying about losing a keep because you will simply recap it for the benefits, then you are part of the problem as I see it. Seems to me that you are promoting Ktraining out of a pure inability to adapt.

Inability to adapt to what? The new completely kitten backwards design that plays on basic human psychology and make players not feel needed as opposed to an upgrade system that encouraged player involvement?

Yeah you are right. I may just be a little unable to adapt to that.

coglin.1867:

Dawdler.8521:

coglin.1867:

Dawdler.8521:

Catalin.5341:

I don’t really understand why scouts think auto-upgrades and no supply needed for them are a bad thing.

Because auto-upgrades give them no reason to be at a keep/tower/camp other than to cap it.

Yes, its as simple as that. It doesnt really have to do with scouts. It has to do with players having the very basic reason for being in WvW.

When you remove that you get a game that’s playing itself.

In my opinion, anyone who thought upgrading keeps was even in the top 3 things a scout needed to do, is terrible at it.

I never said they upgraded the keeps and crap specifically. Just watching over a keep until it had for example a waypoint was an important task.

Now it doesnt matter anymore. Loose hills, its just another keep. Loose garri, well recap it and it’ll have a waypoint. Why even bother. Upgrades may take a bit longer, but unless there is someone trying to cap things everything will get upgraded. Few people bother to dolly hunt.

If they were not upgrading keeps, then what is your complaint? What were they doing there then, in your experience? If they were not upgrading keeps, then the auto upgrades shouldn’t matter.

If your not watching over a keep now, and ensuring it gets yaks in order to upgrade at double time, then in my opinion, your failing at your job.

When you talk about not worrying about losing a keep because you will simply recap it for the benefits, then you are part of the problem as I see it. Seems to me that you are promoting Ktraining out of a pure inability to adapt.

Having those keeps as long and as often as possible absolutely does matter. If that doesn’t make sense to you, then I do not know what to tell you.

Jayne.9251:

coglin.1867:

Dawdler.8521:

Catalin.5341:

I don’t really understand why scouts think auto-upgrades and no supply needed for them are a bad thing.

Because auto-upgrades give them no reason to be at a keep/tower/camp other than to cap it.

Yes, its as simple as that. It doesnt really have to do with scouts. It has to do with players having the very basic reason for being in WvW.

When you remove that you get a game that’s playing itself.

In my opinion, anyone who thought upgrading keeps was even in the top 3 things a scout needed to do, is terrible at it.

Naw, if it was used strategically, it was an essential part of being a good scout.

It could be, yes. But it was not even needed. My point was simply that any passer by could upgrade it. Sometimes players enjoyed that. Other times you had designated players who were donated money to, for the cost, and they ran a route.

In our case, we had a scout pool. A group of us that enjoyed or didn’t mind scouting. Often we simply rotated out in shifts to do other things or participate in different aspects of what was going on in the map.

The new borderlands working out that well for you too eh?

I know, i know conpletely out of context. But you are in a thread about how scouting was killed by the new bl, saying that it wasnt, or shouldnt be. Yet writing about your own scouting groups in the past tense like they no longer exsist. Funny right?

@msalakka

OMG!!!

You’re very much like me.

I’m a PUG Commander for NA Tier 6.

My enemies call me BannerMan I think…I used to run a Banner Build to defend Camps.

I’m primarily a Solo Camp Capper that worked my World Server into taking larger objectives.

Previously…on the old Alpine map…Enemies that knew who I was…would spare my life on their Home Borderland map if they caught me flipping their camp. The Enemy that knew me would choose mercy.

When they did show mercy…I would quickly leave their Home Borderland to Solo Camp Cap elsewhere in return for their mercy.

It’s easier to show mercy…letting me go…instead of having to deal with a single person flipping all their camps & tapping their towers & keeps for hours.

Yes…the New Desert Borderlands sadly encourages another game play style.

I think in another thread…I mentioned that I watch more tv & do more fun things now instead of playing WvW.

I’m sure people can argue the new map is nice & the mechanics are awesome, but for me…it’s been a wet towel on the burning passion I used to have for WvW.

+1000 for me on agreeing with how you feel.

coglin.1867:

Dawdler.8521:

Catalin.5341:

I don’t really understand why scouts think auto-upgrades and no supply needed for them are a bad thing.

Because auto-upgrades give them no reason to be at a keep/tower/camp other than to cap it.

Yes, its as simple as that. It doesnt really have to do with scouts. It has to do with players having the very basic reason for being in WvW.

When you remove that you get a game that’s playing itself.

In my opinion, anyone who thought upgrading keeps was even in the top 3 things a scout needed to do, is terrible at it.

Naw, if it was used strategically, it was an essential part of being a good scout.

^ Manual upgrades – running dolyaks – keeping camps safe/reflip them, THAT generated fights for roamers. And that is all gone now with this auto pilot.

Catalin.5341:

I don’t really understand why scouts think auto-upgrades and no supply needed for them are a bad thing.

Because auto-upgrades give them no reason to be at a keep/tower/camp other than to cap it.

Yes, its as simple as that. It doesnt really have to do with scouts. It has to do with players having the very basic reason for being in WvW.

When you remove that you get a game that’s playing itself.

So i pretty much got a crap load of experience to unlock Legendary Masteries just to read this thread…

Ok then thanks for playing.

Ah that times when I was watching live stream where Devs were excited about ADVENTURE, EXPLORING, FUN while doing precursor crafting. I had so much hope ill exchange time i would spend on grinding money on some really exciting traveling around Tyria. Of course i didnt expect it to be totally free but at least 50% discount in compare to TP.

And as we find out that adventure, exploring and fun is gonna be on Silverwastes.

I’ve moved on, it is obvious the devs are either clueless or just totally incompetent. Don’t even log in for the daily rewards anymore, let alone doing the daily achievement.

WvW was always my fallback when PvE got boring (usually about an hour after logging in). But HoT is so pathetically horrible that I’ve given up on the game completely. PvE and WvW are a sad pathetic shadow of what they once were. Now it’s all grinding and paywalls. What a joke.

HoT is basically a game that took everything away that I worked for and made me pay for the “privilege” of working on it all over again. ANET is the laziest bunch of devs I have ever seen.

Gaile Gray.6029:

The stickying of this thread was only a convenience measure for forum members suggested by forum members. It’s really that simple.

But dont you see how even this post is making things worse?

By the community, for the community.
For 3 years the WvW community has suggested many things, many ways to improve WvW. We’ve even had devs reply saying how great some of the ideas are.
Yet we’ve still had nothing from them regarding these!

In GW1 you were very active taking to all, you could be found in game especially during events and you talk actively ingame as well.
In GW2, I’ve not seen you once, and as with all devs and mods, you try to stay away from the WvW forums, and anything you do say seems as if it isnt you who has written it, or you are being forced to follow very strict censorship orders.

The simple fact is that the WvW community is leaving the game again.
The simple fact is that those who are remaining are screaming for help in the WvW forums!
The simple fact is that the WvW community continue to give their advice and ideas
The simple fact is that the devs continue to ignore us
It is this that is really that simple!

I also see you have quietly removed the sticky for the new WvW Forum Specialist. Why is that? I mean talk about throwing yourself into the fire!

Svarty.8019:

Despite being unable to talk about things in development for fear of stringing us along, I think some of us (I know I am guilty of this) expected a little more communication

And by trying to not string us along, they’ve strung us along for 3 whole years with a whole lot of “we cannot talk about it”, events which none of us asked for but they claim we did, and after 3 years of saying we dont want PvE in WvW, they finally give us a new WvW map which has so much PvE it’s like they listened to us and then did the opposite! And now look at the borderlands, they are all empty!