Guild Wars 2

Kyon.9735:

How does Anet take fairweathers into account? PVE fairweathers and Gift of Battle farmers are swarming WvW, even to the point of covering off hours just to PvD. I’m pretty sure they’ll be gone when they actually get proper retaliation from other servers.

bell shaped curve

but i bet it’s soon

Just, wow! at the cd prior to linking comparison. No comment
Also, the difference between this thread and the “other threads” that have a similar subject discussed is the way it was presented and the fact that the other thread simply describes the situation in half-joking, half-serious comments in regards to a different topic.
The big pic here is how? and why? these linkings took place and what to avoid using as an indicator(glicko vs pop or time of census maybe?) to revert the situation or prevent it from happening again.
Good comments OP!
So ANET, can you comment on this subject?

why dont we just remove the gates too?

if you run with zerg then squirrel a lot, find you are alone roaming, see a zerg and join in, then repeat…they are pretty useful trinkets

shhhhhhh

stop reminding them, maybe they will forget or lose it

totally off topic but agrees with what OP said.
I would like to see arena’s in major cities for open pvp action. All you need to do is enter the arena and fight anyone else in the arena. No points, no rules, just open pvp for fun.
The difference between that vs pvp mode is the lack of loading screens, maps, amulets only for gear, etc…
So, if the same can be done for wvw where people can just come in, fight in groups, have some since of evenness and maybe accrue points it would be great but i imagine it would be easy to manipulate with alt accounts, lol.

tl/dr: Don’t tell someone what they were thinking. Don’t complain when you know exactly what you are buying and then say you didn’t want it. Take some responsibility for your own spending.

well, it was a little long but i read the top and bottom.

amazing explanations i am sure, thanks!

At OP, do you think that by having some other method of using these things dropped in chests it would be “as bad” or would it irritate you more if you had 9 of them but needed 10 to actually trade them in, lol?
Again, i totally know what you mean. I only play wvw so the rez orbs and teleports really have no value to me. But if they do to someone else, by me having stacks of them…it seems so wasteful. It would be nice to trade them to other players or trade them for other goods of equal or lesser value.

jheryn.8390:

Akkeros.1675:

at the end of the day, nothing bought with money should be useless.

There isn’t anything in the chests that are useless. Everything in there can be used by you. Just because you personally don’t use something that you get from a chest, does not make it useless. You choose not to use it.

I have a lot of things I won’t use out of the chests as well. No one forced me to buy or farm keys. When I use them I know I am taking a gamble at getting what I consider junk. That is just life and the chance we take with RNG. That isn’t ANet’s fault, that is our choice to gamble.

let me rephrase
at the end of the day, the money spent on fluff in a game i already payed to play “should” (the key word that you missed) not be useless to me, myself, and I. I put currency into a system and it can either pay for a specific service or it can remain some form of currency. If that is not the case then i believe gambling would be the more accurate word (that people use loosely) but if I recall, online gambling would limit distribution and thus not be used lightly by those developing the chests.

So, besides a random disagreement, did you disagree with being able to spend (or even trade) something useless to “you” for something not useless to ‘you’? Don’t overlook the forest for the trees and miss the entire point.

p.s. how is low chance, low low chance, etc RNG to begin with? random cannot distinguish between low and very low can it? Just a curiosity not addressed to anyone in particular. Mathematicians, feel free to chime in on this one.

at the end of the day, nothing bought with money should be useless. Give an alternate reason to use/spend them or even trade some for equal or slightly lesser value things gem-t0-gem. I believe that would make everyone happy.
E.g. I have stacks of tok, stacks of teleports, and stacks of rez thingies…I wouldn’t mind trading at a 3:1 ratio or even 10:1 in some instances for things of equal value.

YOUUU, SHALL NOTTTT, ppffffffttt

Good idea………

joneirikb.7506:

Unfortunately the linking was grossly imbalanced by sheer lack of effort in determining population and player activity by the people making the polls and using them as a scapegoat to not fix their mistakes.

Question:

What if, at the time of linking, and the last 2 months statistics said that the current match-up would work very well.

Then once the linking actually happened, all the fair weathers wake up on some servers, goes dormant on others, and a bunch of guilds and players that moved around to get on large server of preference, moves around to somewhere else again.

How are they supposed to ever get accurate numbers and statistics to create balanced links/servers/tiers ?

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In this case, would there be any difference in re-linking ? Say they changed it this week, and gave Kain to SF group and ET to DH group.

Now say the new DH group “wins reset”, and all their fair-weathers will be out in storm (DH got lots of fair-weathers), and suddenly all the fair-weathers in CD+BP will go dormant, and suddenly situation is reversed. (Toss in a few random transfers as well for good measure).

Simple, they are using the wrong statistics.

Chris Barrett.3280:

• Will Glicko ratings be adjusted before or after a match?
  Glicko ratings are temporarily adjusted at exactly the time of matchmaking. The adjustment will never be visible. We’re not actually modifying any world’s rating, just preventing matchmaking from letting worlds drift away from the others.

• Why not just change the links again?
  World links change on a schedule to maintain some stability. Among other reasons, those who maintain voice chat servers don’t have to redo permissions every week. We also wouldn’t want to start shifting world links around on a subjective whim. The frequency of the schedule was previously determined by a public poll.

The public poll did suggest 1 month i believe but was changed on a “whim”?
Also, when people vote, the assumption is as follows:
If servers are properly and fairly linked, how often would you want to re-link?
one month
two months
three months
etc…
Unfortunately the linking was grossly imbalanced by sheer lack of effort in determining population and player activity by the people making the polls and using them as a scapegoat to not fix their mistakes.

while this is no single individuals fault, and the communication in the forums is appreciated (long overdue but still appreciated), be realistic and fix the mistakes without delay and excuses….and all is forgiven. Then, and only then, should you go back to playing with whatever numbers you chose to play with.

schlake.2718:

As a member of Eredon Terrace I’m faced with the terrible realization that, just like my parents didn’t want me, the GMs don’t want me either. But it isn’t just me they don’t want. It’s all of the low tier servers. What opened my eyes was the time Eredon Terrace spent on Blackgate. One day I was in tier 8, a place that Dante once wrote a book about, and the next day I was in tier 1, a place I’d only heard about it whispered rumors.

The difference in quality of life was astounding. In tier 8, entire guilds would sometimes form based on code-level exploits of the gw2 client. Guilds such as Ten Speed, guild tag FAST. Those people were fast. They could run an omega all the way across the map in dozens of seconds. They were so fast that gates and walls were nothing to them. They tunneled through them like Buackroo Bonzai tunneled through that mountain. I don’t know if they were all named John, but if they were, there wouldn’t have been a John Smallberries among them, because that guild cheated constantly for nearly a week, and their berries much have been HUGE.

When I was in tier 1, there was a bugged waypoint. Within about ten minutes GM characters started to spawn into the map. Lots of them. It seemed like they were everywhere. And they fixed the bugged waypoint. It was if people in tier 1 were important. More important than I’d ever felt in tier 8.

But Eredon Terrace isn’t in tier 1 anymore. Tier 8 is gone, admittedly, but despite the new, higher, number we are still in Tier Last. And Tier Last isn’t a great place to be if you need help from the GMs. It’s been more than a week since the premise of Ten Speed/FAST resurfaced in Tier Last, even if they didn’t reuse the guild name and probably aren’t the same people. The fact remains, there are some speedy people running around WvW. They are so fast they can even run while downed.

No GMs have come. It’s all Lord of the Flies out here, and we’re all the short kid with glasses nicknamed piggy.

Omg, lol, i think i ran into the really speedy “Fast” guild you mentioned. I don’t think that was their name but it was amazing how downed state did not require a rez to be undowned state (and i don’t mean thief rez’s either, they simply used ‘magic?’)

population and server activity levels over 24 hours should be all that is needed to link these servers. why is it being made so ridiculously hard?
but yeah, agree with OP, system is being used improperly atm and no longer fits

When?
Prior to reset? next week? patch week?

So, what are the current populations of each server?
How was T4 linked the way it was?
What was the pop prior to linking, what is current population?
How is this being made so difficult? K.I.S.S

it needs to be done this week. If match-making and adjustments are ever gonna get practical there needs to be more frequent changes on the front end or you will get skewed data from people simply not logging in anymore because the match is over before it got started

yup, that is a pretty fair summation.

the stat handicap may not be as possible but there could be a point scoring handicap if map has a certain percentage more players than the other leading to a more negligible contribution of points based on the percentage of population discrepancy. I believe the game already has ability to do all this based on scaling and bronze,silver, gold contribution medals but not sure how quickly this can be adjusted or deal with moving pops on a single map vs single “champion” or “boss” area.

Either way though, good luck with your acquisition of your gift of battle.

some tiers could have used the linking, some did not need them at all. i firmly believe there is too little effort going into these linkages (2nd link=blatantly obvious) and too little being done when they are clearly lopsided.

i would like to see some overall numbers being used to determine pops for each wvw server and how often they are using census data during linkages to find movement.

I still think we should have used shorter re-linking periods up front to balance the pops and discourage the transfers of fair-weathers.
I.e. 1st 2 months = re-link every 2 weeks until pops find some form of harmony and mass transfers are discouraged due to only lasting a short time b4 they may have to transfer again.
Then, move to the 2 month cycle of re-linking once we have confirmed populations are consistent and stable as they can become.

To a degree it works but clearly the 2nd linking did not follow the most up to date population data or take into account the large flux in players.
Maybe the 3rd will be the charm?

I would like to hear what ANET has observed and come up with at this point.

6 more weeks of nonsense, thanks for reminding me

Justine.6351:

Cerby.1069:

Justine.6351:

EBay actually won matchups in the last 6months without HoD?

I guessing beating HoD back then didn’t count.

EBay beating HoD? eBay was always like 3rd lols.

Not true, when we fluctuated between t4/t5 we usually would dominate t5 and come in second in T4 (not that we were that populated but often the two larger servers took a chunk out of each others scores). I don’t remember the last time we came in 3rd prior to the server linking (Mag/HoD maybe?) I am sure someone can remember.

Jeknar.6184:

Akkeros.1675:

i am still confused about the concept of cd moving up. Even with the 4 server merger (which will change eventually, especially if moved up) how would you even compete with HoD or NSP? Os alone could wipe the entire CD server without 3 other servers helping. I am not bashing CD, they just aren’t that impressively overwhelming on their own

NSP is not that impressive… And seriously, since when HoD became epitome of skill? Sure Os is a organized (and fat) zerg, but CD has guilds like TDS or VII who can mop the floor with Os if they decide to raid seriously.

Also the quadserver have numbers to compete in the coverage wars up there, they are just not showing it because they are stuck in T4 thanks to glicko. After the pairings change, they may drop down, but that’s not a excuse to leave them stuck in a matchup they shouldn’t be in.

yeah, i get what you are saying but what I was trying to say is how long are they gonna be a “quad” server? Then, based on the idea that ANET may be trying to eliminate servers, are they gonna pair DH/ebay with SF et al for a 5 server conglomerate?

i am still confused about the concept of cd moving up. Even with the 4 server merger (which will change eventually, especially if moved up) how would you even compete with HoD or NSP? Os alone could wipe the entire CD server without 3 other servers helping. I am not bashing CD, they just aren’t that impressively overwhelming on their own

If you have QOL updates already available (which i would hope deal with WvW, PvP, meta balance, etc…) and are planning on “dropping those in” when you deliver the LS3 update….don’t you think it would be a good idea to add those now?
Or should quality of life be less until ls3 arrives?

Boooo
Winning is for losers

as long as guilds/people are allowed to transfer from server to server and as long as servers are merged/dissolved and merged again, there will be no “point” other than (like you said) a familiar distraction.
The only way I can see this ever being otherwise is if you are joining or forming a server that is your true “home”. If you want to play on another, you have to create a new character. People will always be competitive (some more than others) and want their home server to win simply because you are an extension of it (or it of you i guess).

Jeknar.6184:

Akkeros.1675:

perhaps a server from the cd monstrosity would like to volunteer to come to dh/ebay? and we can possibly even our match-up up a little for the remainder of the linkage.
I am sure ANET can manually relink-move a group around for the “greater good” since that is how they do polls, right?

A who you think that will want to be in the short end of the stick when they have a easy win at their hands… If Anet ever intent of moving one of the servers, they better just roll a dice for the choice.

yeah, i understand, but how many times at reset do you care about your rewards from the previous week?
I know, all week long, the overall idea is to “win”…
but if winning on its own starts to become pretty boring, wouldn’t most people wanna shake things up? If not, then everyone would just run dire/perp pu mesmers, lol.

perhaps a server from the cd monstrosity would like to volunteer to come to dh/ebay? and we can possibly even our match-up up a little for the remainder of the linkage.
I am sure ANET can manually relink-move a group around for the “greater good” since that is how they do polls, right?

all around solo plus group support…i would go with ele auramancer (dagger/focus or dagger/warhorn)
just add more healing than you would have 2 years ago

Jeknar.6184:

Akkeros.1675:

wait wait wait, dbl = lesser problem? let’s not get too extreme.
Outnumbered 7-2 for the past 3 weeks? dbl? hmmmm, yeah….bout the same.

I would rather be playing DBL for the past 3 weeks than this kitten matchup we have in T4.

lol, i am with ya
literally, since i am on ebay
but dbl? really? deep breath in, deep breath out ….there must be a better way

wait wait wait, dbl = lesser problem? let’s not get too extreme.
Outnumbered 7-2 for the past 3 weeks? dbl? hmmmm, yeah….bout the same.

I am surprised the meta doesn’t kill itself. I have all the armor/runes but never use them….that style of play is just too boring for me

Two biggest issues I read and agree with on this topic:
1. Forums have grown silent again
2. blatantly lopsided server pairing in t4 not getting remedied

regardless if there is a huge patch next week or next month or next year, we have gone right back to where we started. Effort and communication has flatlined and it kills the game.

they are strong in the pve ways…..wvw?…. kinda doubt it.

@ OP
yup, can’t really disagree, that pretty much sums it up.

edited because someone snuck a reply in before me

doesn’t that assume that the fantastic four will continue to be 4 servers linked..I doubt that will happen during the next pairing.

Gudradain.3892:

Josh XT.6053:

Many have said it before including myself, but the glicko needs reset..

THIS

I just wonder why it’s not already done.

Maybe if we all copy paste it until a dev read it…

Well, let’s find out…shall we?

pretty sure he was just using that as an example

It would be nice to have selectable stats for all ascended gear you create, e.g. i usually have some form of sustain, dps/condi, and celestial gear for each type of armor weight but don’t like to carry 3 sets plus accessories, plus food, plus siege, plus several sets of weapons all the time…it simply takes up too much space. But since I already made the gear and went through the time-gating/acquisition it does not seem unreasonable to be able to open a select stat tab.

i would love to see this come back in higher numbers but yeah, it is still possible and still a thing.

I can’t speak for the other tiers but Josh is right that t4 would be a good place to find it. However, I think you can find it in almost any tier. Small organized groups, (whether guild or not) can almost always take down a pug “zerg” twice it size and if you have unique or trolly enough builds you can probably exploit many large groups.
I think we had about 6-8 DH/Ebay roamers vs a 15+ organized guild grp from CD the other day and totally wiped them but our builds were just probably not something they would encounter very often… couple of scrappers, mesmers, reapers and maybe a thief. Not exactly what you would think as a perfect comp but it worked vs their multiple guard/rev/ele/? parties which you will probably see more often running together.

1. no
2. yes
3. yes

there really needs to be some form of server wipe, repopulate a set number of new servers based on total population, strict limitation on transfers afterward (to limit fairweather movement) and something to fight for such as bi-montly or seasonal tournaments.
When populations are somewhat even it is fun to fight, play, and stategize. But if you are so outnumbered, as in the DH-Ebay, matchup, you don’t know if you are fighting one zerg on your map or five. You can start a somewhat even fight and get run over, strategize perfectly yet get overwhelmed on 3 fronts, etc…
When it is even, it is competitive, when it is grossly imbalanced it is futile and boring, yet nobody really cares anyway because winning and losing each week doesn’t do anything (such as reward anything meaningful or change your match-up).

How about LOSERS once we unite our forces and spank them

hehe, jk

And, let’s “risk” this union between dh/sf et al
I firmly believe it will decrease entropy in the universe.

So…..week is half over. I propose SF, GoM, and FC unites with DH and Ebay to serve justice and put down the wicked monstrosity that has become CD.
Any takers?
I usually don’t attack SF tags anyway because I fear I may accidentally hit a FC SNKY that is mingled in there…and I love those guys too much.

Ur friend-
Green Lantern

no

same as last week, two weeks ago, a month and a half ago, 3 months ago
“outfits and gliders again, yayyyyyyy” is rarely spoken or heard.

how about a frikkin bank in spawn locations?
sry to hijack, when i think of mystic forge location i think of garri when i run past it to get to the bank

Dhemize.8649:

Boots.2849:

Straegen.2938:

Commanders, please stop building siege right on top of each other in a way that makes it extremely easy for one disrupter to disable it all. While I am at it, rams do not need to be right next to each other and right up against the gate. Set them back a bit and they are effectively immune from door trebs.

I didn’t see it as much in T1 but T3/T4 servers apparently have not learned. I guess all that PvD in the lower tiers has created some bad habits. All weekend I have seen commanders dropping catas right on top of each other only to watch one player constantly disrupting attacks.

It was just too painful to watch after it happened at four different objectives one right after another with a single commander. On the third one the commander tripled down and built a third cata right next to the two that were disabled and under AC fire.

that’s because lower tier players don’t rely on siege as a crutch so we never know where to place them properly

shots fired

:p

… Do you fly into towers and keeps then…? Pretty sure rams and catas are standard in all tiers. And no, don’t say your server doesn’t use ACs.

I think it has to do more with the smaller server vs larger zergy server individual fighting ability.