Guild Wars 2

Skai.8473:

sparc.3649:

I will agree and cannot refute that both have their own pros and cons. Though that goes with anything in life!

I personally like the new DBL better. But at the same time I miss having a JP in the BL since the DBL doesn’t have a JP in it.

I do like the JP in the ABL, but for the most part I think that map is too old and boring now…

I personally think they should find a way to implement both at the same time rather than “rotate” them. I think this would be much better, then you can play whichever you desire to, all the time!

Not to mention, rotation, will bring about “fights” about which one is superior, or which one is liked more etc. To which I say DBL is superior “in every way” (minus not having a JP I guess LOL).

It’s okay though, I even fight with my wife about this matter, she prefers the ABL where I prefer the DBL. I’m always shet talking to her over it, and visa versa >.> But I guess that’s a perfect example to why they should just find a way to implement both rather than a “rotation”. Of course, she is da wife, so it’s all just “fun n games” shet talking, but still shet talking nonetheless…

I don’t know if you have noticed or not but haven’t you seen the qeue of EB border gone and ppl start to play in the old maps and more ppl start to play wvw and old player came back from LONG BREAK , lol even the scouts are more useful , and ppl start to roam a lot .

lol, i am pretty sure ol Sparc is just baiting everyone. Its kinda funny really

sparc.3649:

bu bu but the DBL was superior in every way =\

omg
its like the twilight zone

set up a lemonade stand.
they are bound to get thirsty sometime

I know by typing i am breaking my own rule BUT
please let this thread die
It burns my eyes to see this thread title in the non-alternate universe that i have become accustomed to. Please take the desert bl back to the strange dimension from where you were hatched…. where good becomes bad, red appears blue, and the word mom becomes wow.

so please, please, no typing below this line:
______________________________________________________

Whenever it gets rotated back in i hope they use a “shrink to fit” tool like before printing or a scaling tool so they can type in “65% of original”. Then towers would be of some value, run time will drastically reduce and hopefully elevations will consolidate too (3-d shrinkage). Also, for the middle portion, hit select all – delete.
Those would be the changes I would make.
But yeah, i agree with your changes and every opinion does matter.

Julenal.3907:

dank.3680:

With all due respect all of those are menial surface changes. We’ve played the same map for 3 years, nothing fundamental (every day game-play besides pvdoor) has changed. Those of us who were bored of it, are still going to be bored of it.

Not to say I don’t love some of the changes (ambient mobs, rally, removing Siegerazer- namely), but they won’t change the way the map is played one bit.

This is what I meant with my trolly comment.

I would like to add that this ongoing nostalgy with WvW has caused me to loose all faith that WvW could ever advance or fulfill its full potential as game mode. I’m glad for current players that these changes seem popular, but I doubt that this will do wonders for game mode.

It showed that ANET listens more to players now. And by doing that, they may be able to find a happy medium. E.g. bottom half of map could be more like alpine with towers that matter and have value and perhaps the top half can be like one of the overly enormous keeps from desert with towers within siege distance. I love having alpine back but will never enjoy the desert bl as it was or even after the few minor modifications that was made to it. The poi’s simply had no strategic value and thus not worth the travel time to get to.

like putting lipstick on a pig

just get rid of quickness

Behellagh.1468:

There’s always been certain maps that tend to be low population. All I can be certain of is the areas in DR around the TP and Bank are loaded with players since the patch. Not sure where they are playing when their not there but they are playing somewhere.

i thought that is where people logged in to rp Tyria’s Next Top Model

looks perfect
agree with everything!

FogLeg.9354:

Akkeros.1675:

FogLeg.9354:

Cygnus.6903:

Game was unplayable due to boring EB, now its unplayable due to hour long queues. Sad really, cause there still is no game like GW2.

Changing maps will reduce queues how exactly?

I believe he is referring to just the ebg queue, not all maps. If you are with a server that is highly populated already then, yes, all maps may be queued and you will have to wait.
BUT, if only ebg is queued, some people will happily go to alpine bl to play all night vs going to dbl just to waste time waiting for the ebg queue to end. Get it?

Not really.

1 – EB had queues before HoT too.
2 – BL maps are full of people already playing all night

To me it sounds like he was just complaining because he likes to complain, it was bad earlier and it is bad now too. Get it?

au contraire mon frère

Ven Zehn.6573:

I enjoy the DBL’s, but Anet needs to bring back Alpine for the sole reason of making people stop qq’ing so much about DBL.

Though I guess we’ll also get qq’ing about Alpine when they do come back. As for me, I’ll play the course I’m given, and enjoy what I have.

you sir, are a saint

FogLeg.9354:

Cygnus.6903:

Game was unplayable due to boring EB, now its unplayable due to hour long queues. Sad really, cause there still is no game like GW2.

Changing maps will reduce queues how exactly?

I believe he is referring to just the ebg queue, not all maps. If you are with a server that is highly populated already then, yes, all maps may be queued and you will have to wait.
BUT, if only ebg is queued, some people will happily go to alpine bl to play all night vs going to dbl just to waste time waiting for the ebg queue to end. Get it?

dreamthistle?…………

1. overall they are a welcome site.
2. i feel they are a little slow to ramp up (just my opinion) for solo roaming
3. I would like to see it decreased to 10 minutes, it really seems slower than when I pvp but again, I could be wrong
4. i would like to see a legendary wvw armor or backpiece so all efforts can go toward something useful that can’t be gained somewhere else
5. again legendary armor or backpiece so i don’t clog my bags with 3 sets of ascended gear all the time. Also, runes from HoT that force you to leave wvw to pve should be obtainable if you bought the expansion but not just by getting a few airship parts or other currencies at a tiny slow pace.

I would like to have something to spend spare wvw rank points on.
But not paper siege or salvage kits. Runes, sigils, ascended accessories perhaps?

Are most of the posters here upset because of the loss of pierce in choke points or on walls? Damage is still decent and you can still melee and kite with a aoe burst…so really doesn’t seem all that changed tbh other than killing clusters in zergs.

Blaeys.3102:

It takes 2-3 seconds to go to the reddit subforum.

If that channel already exists – and it has the tools needed to make a back and forth discussion more easily than the forums do, why in the world would ANet not use reddit – or spend money/time/resources to change these forums?

Is it really such a hardship on people to hop over to reddit

which tools work better? (not being sarcastic, I seriously don’t know…it looks so convoluted and jumbled i feel like if i touch something or click on something i have just delved into a subreddit of a subreddit of a didn’t read it-subred something.

why doesn’t Ford just jump on Chevy’s forums? I mean, they are both talking about cars…right? Why have your own if someone else already did the work?

Its the principle of not looking wishy-washy to your customer base!!!

can someone explain to me HOW reddit is easier to follow and do Q&A. I really just don’t see that. If you can use a multiquote here how are indented lines better? etc..

BrotherBelial.3094:

Yay more content aimed at a small percentage of the player base.

maybe they can dedicate an entire month or two to show highlights about people raiding and not be able to help the rest of the games balance or mechanics because it might interfere with the season…i mean raid

schedule:
alpine in rotation- roam, secure home bl, go to ebg if all is clear
dbl in rotation- log in (maybe), ebg (maybe) log out

mrauls.6519:

Will we get the balance patch as part of the update, or what exactly is the seasonal update meant to bring?

If there is no balance patch, anything for wvw, or anything other than tinkering with an old boss with the comment “more will come next patch” then its time to move on.
Too much carrot chasing, stringing along for the past 6 months (and prior) to keep falling for it.

Orpheal.8263:

Blockhead Magee.3092:

Alpine BLs are making a comeback. I consider that a win!

I consider this a massive fail and give in to the whiners of this community.

This is no step forward, this is like a huge degeneration of this game, going back to old crap because this community is so degenerated to give the devs not at least a chance to overwork the new desert maps – no instead they hue and cry mordio as typically usual like theres no tomorrow

They should bring back the alpine maps first, until following points are done:

1) They reworked the Reward System of WvW to make it equal with PvE/PvP
2) They made some proper changes to the Desert Map as preparation TO KEEP IT in its overworked size reduced form
3) They implemented into this game a system with that they can rotate the maps out at will freely

However, thats already a dead horse topic by now and to me is WvW already totally ruined beyond any chance that anything Anet will do can fix it anymore to bring it back to a healthy state, regardless on which map we play now as long theres such a degenerated community in the background that dictates Anet what they should do with WvW beyond any common sense.

And as long such a kind of vocal minority ditates for WvW the route for this game mode to go, leadign to the point that Anet just completely ignores to use their own common sense just to please the whiners, there will be no future for this game mode in my honest opinion, if they make for every step forward due to whiners like three steps backwards…

metrics disagree with “vocal minority”
Use of desert bl was statistically and disproportionately lower post HoT vs any other changes made (including stab, HoT, specialization forced pve, etc…)
But I agree, it is getting a little too late to heal the wvw completely but at least agreeing to add back in alpine while working on the wvw class balance, etc they can reach what you might call a maximum medical benefit (basically as close to healed as we can get it now) and work on population/mergers also seems to be in effect.

AysonCurrax.3254:

Pifil.5193:

Mike O Brien.4613:

I’ve written a few times since taking this role that I think our job is to delight you with what we ship, not with talk and promises.

What do you think are the odds that you will do that with this update, Mike? From the trailer I’ve just seen it’s very unlikely. Before that my expectations were low, but I’d hoped for something new, now I don’t. So, you’ve successfully managed my expectations.

Boss revamps are nice but I must have killed the megadestroyer a hundred times, tweaks aren’t enough to revitalise three year old content.
Similarly expecting people to keep rerunning the same fractals for new rewards seems unrealistic to me.

the poor guy cant even tell WvW and PvE apart. don’t be too hard on Mo.

I am not sure what to expect from this company anymore. Chances are, even when i dont expect anything, i will still be disappointed. atleast if they keep going at the pace down they are going, down this shallow, empty road that they are on.

In defense of Mo (Mike) I feel he is the only good direction the game has taken in a while. Though I hate it when dems or republicans do this, i think it is safe to say that his biggest obstacle is cleaning up the mess from the previous incumbents at ANET. Love the guys, hate’em, completely indifferent (i am in that boat) it was the mistakes of the past 6-10 months that are eating ANET alive right now. That is why we have a new lead regardless of unicorn/fairyland stories given.

However, one thing that should not happen is a complete content drought for all the players while fixing the mess. The whole chasing the carrot thing has gotten way too old and has been way overused.

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

Diva.1476:

Yannir.4132:

Diva.1476:

Thanks for your reply. I did try it with weapon auras as well, the 6th one doesnt seem to be changing anything at all? is it normal?

The thing is that the maximum duration I mentioned was probably implemented in the last quarterly balance patch in January/February(don’t remember the date). So while this was done, the rune never received any changes. It used to be a good rune but it’s redundant now.

Hmm makes sense now, in fact I was wondering the same, that is why I asked if I could be refunded. Since auras can’t get more than 4 secs duration, we shouldn’t have this rune in game anymore. I bought this rune to try it out and figured it’s not working.
Do you think they will refund for this and remove this rune?

They didn’t refund anyone who purchased 2 of the same ascended trinkets only to find out you can’t use trinkets of the same name. I’d say your out of luck..but congrats on your new purchase of radiant runes.

They won’t refund you but they will exchange if you got the wrong one.

Reverence.6915:

I tend to avoid pugging with guilds that have a closed off feel. It doesn’t feel welcoming and it doesn’t feel fun. The attitude of some WvW vets towards pugs are also pretty disgusting. Especially from those so-called “fight” guilds.

especially when you join ts with them because they happen to be on the way to your next camp, etc. and you hear them complain that a pug joined yet they die and you still live while they continue raging about running their masterfully thought out comp that hasn’t changed much since stab was changed

i think i payed $50 to have less fun.

Nothing was added that I care about (pve maps and raids). Stuff was taken away that i did care about (working wvw map; guild upgrades) and content was forced with pve grind to be competitive in any part of the game. So, not only was wvw less fun, i was forced to do pve to play it.

Based on this concept I have come up with a business proposal. I will come and screw up peoples lives for a small fee…. let’s say $49.99. Then I will provide a means where they can publicly criticize my service and charges. Then I will ignore them for 5 and 1/2 months only communicating on other platforms with no real insight into how I will make their lives better.

So, why does the pink elephant in the room stick out? Is it because it is huge, is it because its pink, or is it because it is actually in a room? Debating 3 obvious factors never makes it any more clear. Yet the elephant will persist, it will still be pink, and it is still in the room.

Back to original subject. I bought an idea, not a product. The idea was meant to appease the masses while quelling a silent rebellion and decreasing attrition. The magnitude of the idea was worth an expac fee. The product unfortunately was not. End of story.

try southwest and southeast tower too with a wp’d bay and hills that the home team can actually use and compare to se and sw desert bl with wp’d fire and air (which you cannot use).
Lemme know how that goes…especially if the se and sw have fully fortified and you want to take them back.

Paulie.6215:

It’s ridiculous. Why penalize people who BOUGHT buffs from Anet??!

Agree, I thought it would remove food and utility “buffs” but not the actual metabolic and utility primers with plenty of hours left on them too. I don’t consider those to be buffs but agreements of dedicated time bought with money that food and utility could be resumed on after consumption…… Not good at all.

Oxidia.8103:

oh you special delicate little snowflakes.

snowflakes are offensive

alpine is sooooo much better because it is manageable in turns of travel and it is valuable in terms of ppt and strategic locations. Whoever earned the wp’d keeps controlled the maps most efficiently.
e.g. if a big zerg comes in to take a wp’d bay from the home team you could almost guarantee a huge 90 vs 90 assjam of guilds fighting in multiple locations over that keep and then the cupcake server would siege hills while that was all happening. It was GREAT!

i see
i did not know if they were included when Mo said weapon skins were available in the boxes and are tradeable .
Yeah, i am not gonna be that prestigious.

oh sorry, I meant at trading post. Jumping puzzles give me herpes viruses.

I bet some of those people with the hammer and axe looking at the last “buy” prices that haven’t been taken down are itching to get home, lol.

p.s. are king toad’s skins available? I need the focus for my green lantern.

Puck.9612:

TheGrimm.5624:

That said never appreciated it when after spending a lot of coin upgrading a BL to have an enemy K-Train come along and just flip it back.

That’s exactly why that system is necessary. You invested time and effort into the upgrades and you cared about defending them. No one kittening cares now.

yup +1

Squee.7829:

That’s offensive. A JOKE KILLED MY FATHER!

your father dying offends me

Engel.6029:

lol at the wvwers begging for the old maps. Why not try and get the new ones fixed? I’m sure content that is almost 4 years old will bring everyone back!

why fix a piece of crap?
you will simply end up with a working piece of crap
I am sure alpine will bring at least 1 back to home bl.

It actually served as a HOME bl to secure then move to EBG to fight for the rest.

based on this thread and the outrage over a few new skins I predict a little less white knighting on the wvw forums defending the HoT xpac
But, I agree with the direction Mo is going with the company. A few skins vs 3 game modes that need to be fixed…yeah, work on the core game itself then add those things back in. However, in defense of those that have to have their legendaries…if it takes so much dev time to engineer the skin and means of acquiring, you are making it wayyyy too complicated. K.I.S.S.

Azure.8670:

The decision made long ago to be quiet on subjects until after things were completed was the single worst decision ever made. Without filtering and understanding the input the community wants, you simply cannot give what is required to maintain a healthy gaming community.

yes indeed

zerker warrior 1v1 is a very good class.
However, to contribute to a group while remaining effective….that is a different story. It is like the equivalent of a backline thief in wvw minus stealth and venom
Thus, any two classes that favorably group together can usually handle a warrior + ______

Nightshade.2570:

Ben K.6238:

You can bring back the map, but Alpine alone won’t bring back the players. WvW was dying long before HoT.

Why does everyone ignore this?
Why won’t people acknowledge this?

We really need to start being honest with ourselves and while a few of you will rush to those Alpine borderlands. You just dont understand the long term ramifications of such actions.

The instant gratification won’t last long.

The scrapping of DBL respresents 2 things:
1) That ANET can listen to the VAST MAJORITY of the community that want alpine back.
2) The return of alpine is one slate wiped clean and we can move on to wipe or fix others. It existed pre-HoT and is a good reminder that wvw can be improved with slight modifications not by reinventing the wheel.

DeNdReTiC.3481:

I’m not bragging about how my server picks are t1 because I hate t1 wvw since I prefer roaming and it’s just a major zergfest. When I first bought gw2 I chose black gate SOLELY because I liked the name and boom! #1 in wvw! Then at another point to finish my legendary (because I forgot to get the poi’s in wvw) I switched to JQ just to get them and then pow! They took #1 spot. After reading on the forums about how great roaming is on t2 about a year ago I picked Yaks Bend. Log in today, bam! #1! Pay for my server transfer?

Sure, no problem. Just send me your bank account number and social and i will wire the money to you. (jk ofc for moderator purposes)

Dusty Moon.4382:

Akkeros.1675:

Dusty Moon.4382:

There is nothing wrong with the DBL’s that a few tweaks here and there would help.

Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater as they could always make the ABL’s worse.

just flush the baby and the bathwater
you can tweak a kitten all you want and it is still a kitten

Yeah and people were whining how boring the ABL’s were and WvW started losing players because of that.

They didn’t lose me or any of the people i know until HoT
Must be the ‘other’ people

TheGrimm.5624:

psizone.8437:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Why compromise? Anet’s in the weak negotiating position. They’re obviously under immense pressure and very desperate right now as evidenced by their apparent interest in WvW (and management shakeup). Now is the time to push for the changes you really want.

I think it was meant as a compromise between the 2 different player groups (one that wants the Alpine maps back and the other that wants to keep the Desert one) rather than a compromise with Anet.

Exactly. I know a number of WvWers that will end up leaving if DBL is removed, so trying to find a middle ground. So there are people on both sides of the fence here.

all six?

Dusty Moon.4382:

There is nothing wrong with the DBL’s that a few tweaks here and there would help.

Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater as they could always make the ABL’s worse.

just flush the baby and the bathwater
you can tweak a kitten all you want and it is still a kitten

Puck.9612:

A better compromise would be to bring back the alpine bl and rotate the deserted bl with eotm.
That way they can test out any changes they make to the map without disrupting wvw and still get player feedback.

great idea
alpine fits home bl’s just fine
desert never did and left a bad taste in “almost” everyone’s mouth. If they are used for a rotation you will just see the same effect those weeks: eb queued, dbl empty.
I would rather just see them gone than try to appeal to the 5 people that like them.

so, there is like 2 people that like the new maps that posted 20 times?

dislike is not a strong enough word for the new borderlands, can we have a third option?

hence the importance of earning wp’s and keeping them for your own bl.
If bay was attacked and you had garri wp’d you could get there in time to save it maybe.
New map, wp’s are useless and nobody cares to save it anyway so why bother.
But yes, it was shorter.
Plus you can’t forget, the new east and west keeps are so big, just because you make it to one gate, you still have 1 minute to 2 minutes just to get around to see what is going on.