Hmm… 3 supporters so far
I’m still curious, what you guys would like ta see in the final dungeon??
@OP ~ Sorry.. but this thread is a waste of space *(against what ANet have declared to be the direction of GW2).
Thus I would suggest to everyone here ~ please don’t reply or bump this thread anymore.
It’s taking up space and pushing other useful ideas off the front page.
Thank you for your time
Agree with so many here ~ MOUNTS DONT BELONG IN GW2
Unless they’re like the golemsuits and/or siege mouts for ya know.. siegeing stuff… :P
#Keep mounts out of GW2
Just a random thought from my head about future expansions to GW2.
Though I’ve never played GW1.. I know that the “HoM” is a thing.. and based on what I’ve been told.. MOST of Tyria *(the world) wasn’t actually “in-game” or explorable.
SO
Would the community like it if GW1 got an expansion that opened up a new continent/region.. explained the lore, had badkittenbadguys, ect… then a few months later, that SAME REGION would be included in a GW2 expansion?
This I think would keep both games a live and immersive in the whole “lore” of the game world.
Mainly because you would get the whole “before and after” experience
Anywho ~ since there’s no way to vote on these topics/suggestions ~ if you like this idea, simply post
“+1 ~ I agree and would like to see this in game”
However, if you feel you would like to expand on this idea.. please feel free to leave a comment below
The Setup
In my efforts to think of ways to make Guild Wars 2’s combat more than just “dps, spamfests” ~ I noticed something…
Poison = DoT + Healing debuf.
#Stacks in duration ONLY.Burn = DoT
#Stacks in duration ONLY.Bleed = Dot
#Stacks in duration AND power.
The Problem
Every class has at least one ability to “eat” ~ discard ~ transfer ~ reverse conditions on them and/or others around them.
As a Necro, I’ve got at least 3 ways to do it.. one of which lasts upwards of 6 seconds.
Now add in that Poison and Burn can only stack in duration and bleeding has a limit on how “much” it can actually stack.. and you begin to question their usefulness.
~IE: Gear w/duration bonuses are virtually useless in WvW / PvP / PvE (everything).
The Suggestion
~ Incomparables ~
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/power-creepDamage should NOT be your only concern.. as it makes combat stale.
Problem::
If you’re fighting a mob that has stupid regen and likes ta knock ya down (so ya can’t keep hitting him, which gives his regen more than enough time ta make up for your dmg)Solution::
Poison = weak dot + MASSIVE healing debuff
#Only stacks in duration.
#Is completely removed via “cleansing” abilties.Problem::
Mob has WAAAAY to much HP and keeps summoning more mobs that “buff him”.Solution::
Toxic = Strong dot that gets stronger the longer it’s on someone.
#Stacks in duration AND power (power = to how long it’s on them)
#Duration can NOT be removed via “cleansing” abilities unless there is only 1 “stack” on said player (healing spells remove 1 “stack” per pulse/tick/cast).
Cause and Effect
With the new set up of “incomparables” to mix up combat.. imagine if Dungeon/Event Bosses actually changed tactics based on how they were being “killed”.
IE: Players keep applying “Toxic” the “Ooze Champion/Boss” for a period of time.. causing it to change elements.. spawning “lub mobs” during the fight (due to excess chemicals/toxins within the boxy of the Ooze) that attach themselves to players (slowing them) and if not targeted down, then they explode.. doing AOE dmg and downing the player.
These “toxic-spawns” last for a period of time.. that can be shortened by players using “healing” spells on the Boss *(ever used “Holy/Healing” spells n an undead in FFXIV?)
OR
IE: Players are using rocks/spells that keep knocking down a Mob (to prevent him from fighting back).. so it gets frustrated and “acquires” a buff that causes him to be immune to knock downs, along with +70% speed, +30% power, +90% reduction to dmg.
The counter of course.. wouldn’t be as simple as “kite him” (he runs faster than you) or “burst him down” (almost immune to dmg) ~ but instead, players use other other CC abilities that “bind” him and or prevent him from hitting them.
This causes him to “exhaust” himself (after a period of time w/o hitting any players) which all of his buffs are reversed now (slow, weak, takes WAY more dmg from attacks).
NOTE: Imagine what this would be like if certain “normal” event mobs also had this “attitude problem”
AND FINALLY!?
Imagine how cool it would be to find a “mob drop” that no one has EVER seen.. all because they’d never causes the “event” to change in that direction… (due to how the spells actually affected mobs)
lol, Dynamic events ftw
The Follow up
Guild Wars 2 is a good MMO ~ but does it always come off as actually being thoughout?..
HELL NO! :P
However, I feel that the combat is the main culprit in nearly all of the “non-fun” factors.
IE: The focus is on DMG output, rather than fun/immersive tactics ~
Spam combat will only let you do so much with the rest of your “game mechanics”..However, lets be real…
Incorporating not only new “ailments” like this but also new spells and abilities that cater to specific objectives / job’s / positions on the battle field ~ is NOT something easy.. nor is this something I would expect from ANet, done by tomorrow.
Putting together a system like this that changes how the game works.. well, it takes time.
With that said.. I’ll still continue to hope for the best.. and look forward to upcoming patches/updates/expansions!
Maybe one of my ideas/suggestions will make it into the game
lol, anywho ~ for those interested in another topic about comabt.. but more centered around “Events” specifically..
Please feel free to checkout/bump:: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Combat-Dynamic-Events-what-s-the-point-if-they-re-easy-mode/first#post259492
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A very nice read, thank you! I completely agree with you that I’d love to see more strategy concerning mobs, bosses and these really big events. This starts in very small details in mob mechanics, but definitely work into the big things you mention.
I also really like your suggestion of having interlinked world events in one map, where you will have to split the player base to accomplish anything and the idea of some events scaling in difficulty after successive player wins. I would welcome this challenge
Definitely would like for the dragon fights to be much longer, more strategic, and more involving.
Great suggestions, thanks!
Have to agree with Komuflage that a flood of +1s isn’t necessarily the best way. Good suggestions will get noticed by ArenaNet, I wouldn’t worry about that.
Thanks
Curious.. is there anything you would add to this idea?
Spells, abilities, mob arch types, ect.. for increasing the challenge and “fun factor” of DE’s, Dungeons and Combat in general?
Actually, ya know what ~ SINCE we don’t have any “official” way to know how well our idea is received.. (no ability to “vote”).
If you support this idea, simply copy and post::
“+1 ~ I agree and would like to see this in game”
This will keep the topic bumped IF it’s popular AND it’ll show ANet that it’s at least worth looking at.
Thank you for your support!
anything like this?
I’m not sure exactly like this, but that was an awesome video haha. I don’t really want the home instance to turn into a Sims 3 “design-house” thing, because that’s not really what the game is for. But being able to design your own house would be fun.
lol, yea… something like that
Currently I’m looking at that game (Wildstar) as Guild Wars 2 ~ WoW edition.
As it takes a LOT of the features that make GW2 special and put them in the cartoon/anime aesthetic.
This is prolly because Wildstar is also made by NC Soft (parent company to ArenaNet).
Though I’ve never been big on player housing (never seen a point) after watching that vid and the 4 part interview of other game mechanics ~ it makes me kind of excited..
Check’em out on Gametrailers:: http://www.gametrailers.com/games/xvox86/wildstar/videos-trailers#features
Perhaps they’ll give ya some good ideas for improving GW2
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hmm, seems my above comment utilizing that “saying” is rather small and to the point.. IE: doesn’t take up much space at all :P
EDIT:: Keep in mind that I’m using this “saying” due to 2 reasons.
1. It’s far to easy to lose good ideas, because no one wants to take the time to write a response or show support ~ thus these ideas get buried on page #115 ~ via all the troll/spam topics. IE: this game will fail unless ANet start merging servers, GW2 needs mounts, where are the raids?, ect…
2. There’s NO voting system in place to highlight good ideas to the devs and the GW2 community to look at/vote on.
#work with what ya go
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Like I said on my dungeon topic ~ SINCE we don’t have any “official” way to know how well our idea is received.. (no ability to “vote”).
If you support this idea, simply copy and post::
“+1 ~ I agree and would like to see this in game”
This will keep the topic bumped IF it’s popular AND it’ll show ANet that it’s at least worth looking at.
Thank you for your support!
I like it….
Special Endboss sounds nice!
WOOT!
lol, now if only these suggestion topics had a way for players to “vote” how useful the idea is and if they’d like at see it in game
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THE CONCLUSION
lol… sorry for the long read.. but right now, the combat “spam” in GW2 makes the world boring.. due to low player “importance” (IE: that boss doesn’t care that I’m there.. cause he’ll just respawn 10 mins later and we’ll just kill’em again).
If YOU (ANet) would like ta chat bout this suggestion or simply want clarification on some stuff.. reply back, hit me up in game.. or just drop by my youtube channel (user = Requiemsvoid).
At the end of the day tho, this is just my “2 cents” on how to improve GW2, hope it was worth the read
I’d support this
Combat is one of the few “flaws” GW2 is currently suffering from
#it’s NOT fun
I created a suggestion on this, if you’d like ta stop by and perhaps offer your support/critiques
Thanks, this helped alot!
I guess it is worth running around with MF gear afterall, and only using another… non MF gear for dungeons.
The only missing info that’d be nice is if MF affects chests, then everyone would bring their MF and equip it before opening the bosses’ chests in dungeons, and nodes just for curiosity.
At that point, you would have to wonder IF the loot is “set” as you kill the boss… or when you actually open it.
If it’s “set” when you kill the boss.. then you could equip 5,000 MF before opening it and still get crap XD
lol, as I said above.. would REALLY appreciate a dev response on this one
Could work like “Flash” does in League of Legends
IE: If you’re targeting further than the radius allows, then it just ports you in that direction, as far as the actual radius is.
This means, YOU don’t have to be 100% accurate with the radius and just “aim” where you’d like ta go
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THE SUGGESTION #2 ~ Dynamic events via multiple locations.
Ever “miss” a fun event cause you were on the other side of the map?
What about the fact that EVERY DE usually plays out the same? IE: Dragon always lose, due to player population in that region all focusing on that ONE event.~ What IF some events happened at the same time in different parts of the map, that affected each other?
~ What IF not only was it one “uber” event at the conclusion of the quest chain.. but ALSO the build up events to it?
Say the Shatter Dragon Spawned..
His “event” would kick off when a player jumps on a cannon and shoots the Dragon outta the sky (is the only way to get him to land so players could attack him, while he regained his strength after “crashing” ~ before flying off again).
Now, while that event was going on.. another event kicks off via a “siege” of corrupted mobs somewhere else on the map *(note: as long as you’re around ANY of these interconnected events, you can see ALL of them on your Mini-map).
The “siege” is an attempt by the mobs to knock out the “power source” to your cannons that kept shooting down the Shatter Dragon.
From there, the players will be presented with a new set of “outcomes”…
1. Mobs fail the siege:: They’ll now start setting up a “ritual / warp gate” to bring in a “backup” army to assist them and the dragon.
2. Mobs succeed ~ thus causing the shatter dragon to start “charging his lazor”. *(breath attack of corruption) and you’ll now have to take back the “power source” of your cannons, before the dragon finishes “charging”.
Again, depending on how the event is going.. you’ll be presented with a new set of outcomes…
1A. IF you succeeded in stopping the ritual/warp gate from bringing the army, the shatter dragon’s next “crash” will cause him to lose his wings and be “stuck” on the ground for a final battle with players.
1B. IF you failed at stopping the ritual/warp gate ~ mobs will flood that “area” and make a “beeline” straight for all the players/cannons. While a new event pops up on the map where another ritual is “starting” *(this will happen several times, causing the zone to be “over run” with corruption mobs)
Because of this, the players will inevitably lose the event against the dragon, as the ONLY way to dmg him now, is by knocking him outta the sky and “picking away” at his HP bars.. again and again..
2A. IF you succeed in taking back the “power source” before the dragon finishes.. you can start knocking him to the ground again, thus causing the Mobs to try the siege again.
2B. IF you failed in taking back the “power source”.. the Shatter Dragon will “Nuke” the cannon area, turning ALL the players into corrupt versions of themselves (IE: players either “die” or for fun, they’re put in a state of living death, where they cannot control their character and they run around for like 2-5 mins, attacking players via a “set path/destination” ~ or until “killed” by other players ~ which ever is shorter).
From there, the shatter dragon would just keep charging his “nuke” every 20-30 mins or so, and hit a “set location” on the map.
His “goal” is to torment the players on the map (IE: Annoy the players into attacking him).
Now, lets add in ‘player skill’ ~
The cannons serve a dual purpose.. in that not only can they knock the Shatter dragon out of the sky, but they can also stun him (once he’s on the ground).Keep in mind that, every time the Shatter dragon crashes… pieces of him get “chunk’d off”. (his armor/wings/ect).
Each one of “those” are an HP bar and related to how other DE’s spawn/end.
So if players are skilled enough, they can focus down the Shatter Dragon by use of the cannons alone (keep in mind, that the cannons dmg normal players too.. so they can’t be used on the Shatter dragon while he’s on the ground fighting players… without you ALSO killing those players)
This gives ANet an opportunity to spawn “loot chests” via the “effort” put into the event.
So if the Shatter dragon was killed by cannons alone.. you’ll get a nice and small little chest at the end.. BUT if the entire map worked together to kill him (IE: the hard way) then players will be rewarded with a “Splendid Chest” via mail (since not ALL the players were at the shatter dragon when he died.) or some other “safe method” to guarantee loots for participating
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THE SUGGESTION #1 ~ “Special abilities” on mobs to prevent “spamming”.
1. Ranged Shields:
Source:: Shamans / Caster MobsDescription::
Reflects ranged attacks, as long as the shamans/casters are still alive.Counter::
Send Melee attackers in to deal with them.~~~~~~~~
2. Dragons Might
Source:: Buff/Boon from a “Relic” on the battle field or Dragon Boss “shouting” at his minions.Description::
Minions absorb spells cast on/around them, instead of taking dmg.Counter::
Either “reverse” the artifacts powers *(like a Necro does to Boons) or Destroy it with Physical attacks.~~~~~~~~
3. Tech Vs.
Source:: Technology via armor or generators that is on/around mobs.Description::
The technology protects them from EVERYTHING but a certain element/spell type, due to a natural weakness to itIE: Mob “hides” in a “metal dome” ~ occasionally firing off pot shots and/or debuffing the players.
Counter::
Each type of armor has an inherent “flaw” you need to figure out and exploit to kill the mob using it. ~ IE: Mob in “Metal dome” means you “super heat’em” via fire spells to burn out all the oxygen he has.. thus causing him to “leave” his protection for a short period of time and/or kill him outright.#Keep in mind that NOT everyone is an elementalist or Melee bruiser.. thus, ANet would have to put in “guns/weapons/pickups” that can be used in place of your current weapon set. ~ IE: Flamethrowers during the ice dragon fight.
The ideal “goal” of these mechanics, is to force players to STOP FREAK’N SPAMING!? ~ IE: make events less about “dmg” and more about fun.
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Can we have a dev response? plz
Questing in GW2 is probably one of the best aspect of the game.
I can almost guarantee that you will see this in games/mmo’s moving forward.Its a great and refreshing change for the better as far as gaming goes.
hahahahahahaha, thanks, needed a good laugh.
in the event that you weren’t kidding, would you mind explaining why? as far as I’ve seen most of the good things about it (and there are several) are trumped by the shortcomings that serve only to cheapen the experience. the most refreshing part of it is the lack of quest hubs (seen it done before, but that doesn’t make it any less pleasant) and to a degree events (although events in and of themselves have some issues and the whole idea of them has been done before except not to such a large degree).
Dude… why be rude?
Odds are he likes it for the exact same reason most everyone else does.
Exploration > Grind
IE: I FIND quests/events rather than some random NPC in a town telling me where to go and what to kill.
If I don’t like events in a certain area.. then I just move on.. and even at lv80 the events in another starting zone *(different from my Race) will still be a challenge.
Not only does GW2 have Exploration > Grind, but with DE’s we also get varied content along with NO level restrictions
~ just my 2 cents ~
That video is pure sales hype.
Grats on having an opinion :P
*The video still explains the “direction” ANet wanted to take GW2 *(Avoiding typical MMO structure) IE: No typical quests.they said they didn’t want typical quests or grinding, well grats ANet, what you’ve given me is VERY typical quests with nothing but grind.
do you see what I’m saying? there questing is not only bad, but goes completely against there entire design philosophy. if their game was even half like that manifesto makes out it would be a GREAT questing experience, sadly it’s nothing but unfulfilled potential atm.
Guess we can agree to disagree then.
if by disagree you mean you have absolutely no grasp of the point I’m trying to make and fail to understand that there is actually a difference between questing and grinding and that GW2 has completely failed to distinguish between the two than yes, we can agree on that.
Already said I don’t have the time to read your “walls of txt”.
So yea.. pretty muchI just took your topic at face value
If you want people to reply in more detail, make a youtube vid or something.
I was gonna make it a youtube vid, but then I remembered that my rambling is bad enough in text form, in video form I would go on for hours :]
lol, I sort of have the same problem.. but I’m also somewhat of a perfectionist.. so my vids always end up 5-8 mins long *(due to rageing at myself).
Though, I’m curious what the rules on posting private links to youtube from these forums are?
any bannable offenses?