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Just an addendum to my previous post, there are also situations where the people who get the lowest buy orders filled then immediately resell to the highest bid when it goes back up again, which I think happened a few times tonight cough cough. That’s 1
‘dumped’ shield being counted twice. Anyway that’s being a bit pedantic. It’s still crazy that 5 months on someone has enough shields to be dumping 60+ in one night.

Malediktus.9250:

Amurond.4590:

Oh boy, dumped as low as 70g. Inexhaustible supply it would seem, lol.

https://www.gw2bltc.com/en/item/36339-Ghastly-Grinning-Shield-Skin

1285 shield skins were sold today via instant sell option
guess it is time to reskin my shield, not going to use a weapon skin worth merely 100g.

That is never quite accurate. It includes buy orders that were cancelled but not filled.

There was a bid for 1000 at 1g which was cancelled – so you can subtract 1000 from that immediately. I had a few lowball offers in myself that I cancelled and I’m sure others did too. 70 – 80 is a good guess though. It was at least 50 based on the gw2tp demand graph.

there’s a real basic tldr at the bottom if people cbf reading this.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

Except the trend started before HoT, easily seen on the graphs, which offers alternative explanations and/or influences on why people might sell. ~Jan 15th had a very similar increase and then drop in price that March had.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about here exactly because Jan 15th was well after HoT was released. Are you talking about January 2015? Jan 15th 2016? I don’t even see anything of note on Jan 15th 2016 or January 2015 so yeah I’m not sure what you mean.

The dumps (to be specific here, i’m talking about 10+ sold immediately to buy orders when I say dumps, it’s worth clarifying I think) started in November 2015. They got bigger and bigger as time went on.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

Looking at this time 2 years ago, there had been a ramp up in price, and then a subsequent plummet. In fact, just before that increase in Feb ’14, looks like one had been put up for only 444 gold? Looks like someone bought it and probably immediately tried to flip it for twice what the sell price had been just before that.

I can’t see this 444g one on the graph, but the ‘ramp up’ and ‘plummet’ was nothing out of the ordinary and only involved the supply going from 1 to 13. The shield has been dumped in the THOUSANDS since HoT. The situations are not even remotely comparable.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

This whole conspiracy thing is based in large part on a misinterpretation of data. Could it have actually happened? Can’t 100% rule it out, no. But there are plenty of other causes, some very likely.

Well, I’ve made many posts on this subject and again and again I’ve said I think it’s all above board as far as exploits are concerned, I do not think a dupe has gone on. What I do find strange is that the massive dumps stopped for a couple of weeks only for them to start back up again randomly. I made the argument that perhaps the dumpers were waiting for the price to raise again but why then would they continue to dump as low as 70g now? Clearly waiting for the price to go back up had nothing to do with why they began dumping shields again.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

Look at it this way. Let’s make a few assumptions. You are sitting on a few of these skins in April ‘15. Let’s say you have a dozen or so, that you had bought here and there as investments for a surplus of gold. June ’15 hits and you see your investment suddenly gain even more value. Perhaps you even take advantage of it by selling off a couple, but of course someone else has the same idea. But it works out, they all sell. Sept ’15 rolls around, and perhaps you get a bit nervous. Remembering that in ’14 Anet had a raffle giving away 100 of the shields. You think to yourself, What if they did something similar this year? What if they add it to the mystic forge? Or give some new way to get the skin?

Yes, I understand why the shield plummeted initially after HoT. I understand why it continued to plummet. People were dumping their stock for various reasons, people would have panicked, the bubble had burst. What I don’t understand is what happened between roughly Feb 14 2016 and March 14 2016. Why stop the dumps? Why start them back up again? That these shields have been dumped as low as 70g suggest it was not the price. Maybe the dude dumping went on holiday? Except there were a few small dumps during this period. It makes little sense. Something changed in this time to kick off the dumps again.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

HoT release date has also been announced, what if a new legendary drops the demand for ghastly grinning shield a bit? The price is the highest it has ever been. So you put a few up for sale. Someone else may have the same idea and do the same. This could cause yet another person to get nervous the bubble may be popping on it’s value, causing them to also start selling off stock. On the other side, buyers are afraid the price will go back up at any time, and the current price is now the lowest it has been in a year. That starts to slow the drop in price, even goes up a bit, until someone else decides to dump some of their stock which in turn triggers others to do so.

Okay I really think you’re missing the point here. Most people in this thread and every other shield thread completely understand why the shield crashed with HoT, and why it continued to crash. Most people, including myself, understand that the initial crash/bubble burst had nothing to do with insider trading. It had everything to do with the uncertainty HoT would bring, people wanting to liquidate, people unsure if in H’ween 2015/2016 shields would be available again, etc etc. The suspect period is late Feb/early March. That’s what is suspicious to me.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

Although put a bit crudely, these are things that should be taken into account. Given the relatively small supply of the skins, this pattern is one that should be expected. I didn’t even include above that with the release of HoT, perhaps someone wanted to get liquid gold in preparation for everything anticipated and hoped for out of HoT. Perhaps to dump into other things for speculation. There are a myriad reasons someone might start selling off a few high priced skins, and a myriad other reasons someone else might start doing the same, but with nervousness at an apparent price drop thrown in. This can and does quickly cascade into the bottom falling out.

You’re underselling how big the crash has been. Several 1000s of skins have been dumped now. I am honestly very surprised that skins are still being dumped 5 months later after they started, and still in such an absurd quantity (60 – 70 were dumped tonight my time). This is why people think there have been dupes/exploits involved. I don’t personally, because I think if there had been dupes/exploits involved, Anet would have nipped it in the bud a long time ago. I am still shocked at the sheer volume of skins being dumped though. I expected several 100 up to maybe 1000. I did not expect several 1000. That’s some serious hoarding!

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

And now, people know that the mystic forge could give the halloween skins, albeit rarely, so with an increase in effective skin supply (I am saying effective because while it is a weapon not the skin itself, it accomplishes the same thing for those wanting the skin), there is nothing to raise the price right now.

Okay so two main accusations flying around in this thread and you’re kind of addressing them back and forth 1) the accusation of insider trading to explain the nature of the dumps and 2) the accusation of duping/exploiting to explain the sheer number of the dumps.

I’m just pointing this out to say what you’re talking about in this paragraph is valid but it still doesn’t help counter the second accusation. They are two different items. Yes it will affect the price of the actual skin. No it won’t make skins magically appear out of no where.

tldr; I know why the bubble initially burst, I know why the shields continued to drop, these absolutely massive dumps and the minor decreases/increases in supply prior to HoT are incomparable, the amount of shields being dumped is insane but I still think it’s legit, the major dumps stopped but then they started back up again as we approached April and I find this pretty suspect.

Oh boy, dumped as low as 70g. Inexhaustible supply it would seem, lol.

I’ve always thought discontinued yet tradable items have a place in mmorpgs. Mind you I started off on Runescape where discontinued items were a large part of the economy due to being the pinnacle of fashionscape/status. We’re spoiled for choice in Fashion Wars 2 and we have legendary weapons that kind of fill that niche. GW2 is also a bit different in regards to hoarding; it’s easier to control a discontinued market like that due to being able to see all orders and listings on the TP.

That being said, it sounds like they’re super rare from the Mystic Forge which I think is a reasonable middle ground. I’d be livid if they had done something similar to what they did for the Aetherpath weapons. Basically I am happy for them to have a supply that sees these types of weapons in the 200 – 800g range rather than the 2000+ range.

What confuses me is just the seemingly random nature of what skins Anet have decided they will bring back. Can we expect to see every single tradable discontinued skin come back now in some form? It seems arbitrary and unfair if it isn’t the case. I can’t wait to see the Molten Jetpack return. Why do I have a bad feeling they’re going to be really inconsistent on this.

It deadset must be something like 1 – 2g an hour though. Good for them, lmao.

The ‘major’ dumps started back up on 20th March. There was a smaller one 13th March. Maybe that’s what prompted the dumps to start back up again, hard to say really. Maybe the dude just felt like the price had gone back up to what he wanted and started dumping again. Who knows. It’s pretty suspect if you ask me but yeah the other explanation is also possible.

Yes I’d still like to see a comment from him or any other dev but if it’s all above board which I suspect it is, there’s not much for them to say… although ’it’s all above board’ would be nice, lol.

Well the most recent dumps over night (well, not over night for Americans) were people panic cancelling their posts, or perhaps wisely cutting their losses, and dumping to buy orders. The supply on the TP is actually down by 20 odd from prior to the announcement.

Unfortunately, we’ve heard a lot about the new halloween weapons but nothing on the actual halloween skins, which is actually what this topic is about. I’m not sure we will hear anything either. It certainly doesn’t sound like an exploit was involved or else something would have been said, but as for insider trading? I’d bet everything I own on it.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Didn’t John Smith say he would look into it in the Reddit thread?

He said he’d look into the actual ghastly shield as a weapon. Who knows whether that includes the ghastly skin itself. I find it hard to believe it (the rather large skin supply/dumping) wouldn’t have come across their radar already.

Yes those weapons really have very little to do with why the shield is at its current price. It’s another topic in itself and quite frankly it seems like a bug to me. A bug with each of the h’ween weapons, see the chain sword and greatsaws on the TP for yourself.

It’s been 1000s now since December when the major dumps started. The first few months after HoT I think it was a lot of panic dumping/small time investors dumping their stocks. Since then though I think it’s only been a couple of different players with one in particular having a huge stock.

He regularly posts an order of 25 and dumps to orders above that.

I don’t think it is a result of a dupe purely because Anet have been very on top of that stuff in the past. They can track items with ease. I am surprised that there is still supply to be dumped though.

But yes there is already a recent topic on this. Plenty of debate and discussion going on over there.

^ Same for Shards of Glory for PvP. I’m not sure they will ever fix those though.

Belorn.2659:

The new greens don’t explain why the price has been free falling the last few months. Would be see a reply from the devs if the reintroduction of the skins was intentional, a dup exploit, or just random bug. Estimated amount of skin are now around ten of thousands.

Yeah that green shield weapon has nothing to do with why it is dropping.

Firstly you can’t get the actual skin item from it which is what is being dumped en masse. Secondly occurrences of this are obviously very rare and cannot realistically be easily reproduced, it may even be a bug (I’m guessing so).

A couple of rare occurrences of creating an actual grinning shield doesn’t correlate to 1000s of shield skins.

I don’t want to get my hopes up, but just now logging in checking the TP before bed, my ping is down to 220 for the first time in weeks. Here’s hoping it’s not a temporary relief ;_;

Riku.4821:

I’ve brought this to their attention. Hopefully they can figure it out if it is a problem.

I have someone arguing with me elsewhere insisting that this is a duping exploit… any news? Would love to prove them wrong, lol.

Yikes, it’s been horrible eh. It’s not even the higher latency that is the worst part for me lately, it is the spiking up to 600, 700,…., sometimes 1200 ping. It’s ridiculous and I hope it’s better by the next pvp season.

Unfortunately I think it’s a problem with telstraglobal.net and not Anet.

I love the new structure tbh. Can finally get my fotm level up without doing swamp, swamp, swamp. Running fractal levels I haven’t played before and previously had no chance of finding a group for (and no incentive to do so anyway). Best part for me though is the choice, some days I feel like doing oneT4 and other days I’d rather just do a couple T2/T3s.

Hey friends.

For the last few weeks now the great beast of ‘more awful than usual australian ping’ has reared it’s ugly head again. For a long, long time now there are plenty of us who go through these lovely periods where our ping is anywhere from 100 – 200 higher than the average (which is still over 200 at its best) that we’ve come to love and miss greatly during these times. My ping is usually 206 – 210, now it is anywhere from 330 – 390 depending on the time of day.

The upsetting thing is this one’s been going on for much longer than any previous ones; boy am I glad I finished all I set out to do in the PvP league this season before it set in. It always seems to be having a lot more spikes up to 600, 700, etc than previous ones, or maybe I’m just watching it closer. I just hope it’s not going to still be a problem when the next league shows up.

Now this doesn’t apply to all Aussies. It seems to be pretty common to those who have Telstra as their ISP. I’ve contacted them and they have told me that my connection appears fine to them on their end. I have no problems with other websites or games except Gw2 and Gw2 related websites.

So, hand up if you’ve been struggling or weeks now with this god awful rubberbanding business, occasionally shadowstepping to where you shadowstepped from, and other assorted high ping nonsense and let’s hug it out.

No but really, I’d like to hear if others are having the same issues and if there’s anything that can be done. I asked a few people in LA a few days ago and several seemed to be having the same issues so once again I’m guessing it isn’t just me. The game is getting to the point of being unplayable during aussie prime time.

Can confirm as well, is legit, shame patches are at 3am my time lol.

Is this legit? Or fixed already?

Leo G.4501:

Lol and people got all kitten about the devs canceling the next set of legendaries…

The targeted audience for this thread is 99% people who don’t care about legendaries/devs cancelling legendaries. It’s an echo chamber in that regard, and a silly point to be trying to make.

It’s probably the level3 Los Angeles hop. I mean in Aus you expect to have bad ping. Mine is usually 205 – 210. When it goes to the LA hop it goes from 165 (standard fare at this point) up to 336.

It seems like level3 causes issues for many people. Is there nothing that can be done besides trying out a VPN?

I posted my pingplotter in that thread that showed 80% packet loss from Anet servers.

What’s going on is very simple: more demand, less supply. The demand/supply ratio shifting in favour of demand. This is exaggerated even further by the cancellation of new legendary weapons.

Less supply
As you’d kind of expect with a new expansion (content), considerably less people are wanting to play through the old maps and creating legendaries to sell. With the new legendaries as well, this means people need their account bound mats (i.e karma, spirit shards) for their own legendaries if they want to make them. Furthermore, this last point is even more poignant now that we aren’t getting any new weapons for a long long time, people who were looking to make another legendary down the road are more likely to reconsider making the old weapons.

More demand
With the addition of new legendaries in HoT you might have expected the old legendaries to go down in demand. Well, they did, at first… but the incredibly slow rate of introduction and the low number of new legendaries introduced meant that people who didn’t want to wait to make a legendary either make one of the new ones (not much choice) or pick one of the old ones. Now that new legendaries have been cancelled, you can probably work out for yourself how this would increase demand on old legendaries significantly. It’s all we’re going to get for a long time.

I’m also going to go ahead and quote myself from another topic because it included more specific details

Amurond.4590:

You two have it around the wrong way. They’re still selling like hotcakes. The demand has been outweighing the supply for the most part, that’s why the supply is so low. I had a quip posted quite high on the list, it took 3 weeks to sell, and 43 of them sold before mine did. I kept track of it very closely to inform future listings. I’d say at a minimum there’s still 3 – 5 of each legendary being sold per day and that’s just listings.

Low supply by itself does not translate to ‘no more legendary builders’. It has just been trending to more buyers than sellers due to numerous reasons, some of which I mentioned in my last post.

The only thing that has decreased visible supply (i.e the listings) noticeably is a shift in the supply vs demand. If it was simply a lack of interest in legendary buying and selling, then the supply wouldn’t have decreased to < 10 for a bunch of weapons and would have remained steady at what it was before.

A good graph to check out is the monthly one for bifrost, but I’m sure other weapons are similar. The supply was drained out completely to 0, those who make legendaries for profit notice it’s selling for ridiculous profits, decide to make bifrost and list it. The supply went back up to 22 in a week. Smart legendary sellers will generally get the core mats common to all legendaries, check which legendaries would be best to make supply/demand/risk wise, and post it up. The supply is trending back down because most of them would move onto different legendaries once they see the supply is very high again at 22. It got back down to 0 supply again 2 days ago.

Back when I didn’t have much $$$ and other account bound mats, I was mostly against making 1-handed legendaries because they were still very expensive.

I’ve always really liked the Scepter and Torch however the main reason now I still haven’t made them is that I just don’t use these weapons on any of my characters. It’s a kind of similar situation to the Dreamer, which I made long long ago in early 2013, it basically just sat in my inventory for a couple of years before I started playing Thief more regularly. Scepter would actually look quite good on my Ele but I just never, ever use it on there.

^ Good post and the other thing you have to ask yourself is why in 2014 were the number of each of the H’ween skins raffled off were chosen. One could suggest it was due to their price on the TP but I think it more likely it was due to the amount left in the game. It makes sense with what we’re seeing now. You also argue it was complete arbitrary but I reeeeallly doubt that.

The important numbers with their supply on the TP/lowest bid roughly at the time of H’ween (though really the decision would have been made earlier):

100 Ghastly shield skins (1200g, 6)
100 Greatsaw skins (2900g, 9)
200 Scythe skins (1900g, 16)

I don’t think only 100 shield and greatsaw skins being released had anything to do with their price but rather their overall supply in the game. The reality is that shields and greatsaw skins were hoarded to the extreme, the others, including scythe, were not.

You two have it around the wrong way. They’re still selling like hotcakes. The demand has been outweighing the supply for the most part, that’s why the supply is so low. I had a quip posted quite high on the list, it took 3 weeks to sell, and 43 of them sold before mine did. I kept track of it very closely to inform future listings. I’d say at a minimum there’s still 3 – 5 of each legendary being sold per day and that’s just listings.

Low supply by itself does not translate to ‘no more legendary builders’. It has just been trending to more buyers than sellers due to numerous reasons, some of which I mentioned in my last post.

The only thing that has decreased visible supply (i.e the listings) noticeably is a shift in the supply vs demand. If it was simply a lack of interest in legendary buying and selling, then the supply wouldn’t have decreased to < 10 for a bunch of weapons and would have remained steady at what it was before.

A good graph to check out is the monthly one for bifrost, but I’m sure other weapons are similar. The supply was drained out completely to 0, those who make legendaries for profit notice it’s selling for ridiculous profits, decide to make bifrost and list it. The supply went back up to 22 in a week. Smart legendary sellers will generally get the core mats common to all legendaries, check which legendaries would be best to make supply/demand/risk wise, and post it up. The supply is trending back down because most of them would move onto different legendaries once they see the supply is very high again at 22. It got back down to 0 supply again 2 days ago.

Looks like our friend took a couple of days off and is back in style.

Lol all the old legendaries have been reaching low supply for the last couple of months. HoT = less people playing old maps, slow release (now cancelled) of new legendaries, i.e demand going up, supply going down slightly. What else is going to happen? Many of the old legendaries have reached 0 supply in the last few months.

Even more evidence in my mind that this is just one person dumping. They waited a few days for the buy orders to go back up and then dumped some more.

Btw it wasn’t 100. It was minimum 40 though. There was an order for 25 at 286g (that I am pretty sure is made by the guy dumping to put a ‘minimum’ on the buy orders – it happens every dump) that was cancelled but not filled. The dump only went down to 311g so it was not filled. As I make this post more are being dumped though, it’s not over folks!

I wish the guy had waited a few more days though. My last couple of shields were so close to selling ;_;

Pretty funny really. Two days of no dumps and people panic buy the shields thinking “they’ll never be this low again!”

Kicker.8203:

Where are these coming from? The sell listings grew form 15 to 130 in a few days. Is it dropping from chests again due to a bug or am I missing something? Price dropped from 3-4k to 400g.

Lol the last time there was 15 supply was January. It’s been going on a while matey. Although the real dumps started at the end of March.

Kicker.8203:

That doesn’t make sense. Why would they sell it for a few gold all of the sudden when it was that expensive? Why is there 20x more of these skins on TP than it has EVER been?

1) Consider how long these have been hoarded for and therefore how much they potentially bought it for originally. Probably quite low.

2) Consider how many they may have. Imagine it’s 100s (at least 200 have been dumped). It is very tedious to list and wait for all such things to sell. The sheer number of them makes them easier/considerably less risky to dump to bids.

Furajir.3815:

zOLtAm.7824:

Isnt it a lil too big for a shortbow?

Agreed, whats the longbow gonna look like? This? (not that I would complain)

Haha, what longbow?

First impression is it looks kinda meh, wasn’t going to make it no matter what but on the flip side I think I’d need to see it in-game or in more detail (i.e a video of all features) before I said disliked it.

If it’s a guardian with a staff I cringe. Had this in fractals a couple of weeks back. He staff 1 mash good.

It’s no surprise it’s going up. The legendary weapon announcement made the old legendaries more appealing, as well as the existing HoT legendaries. People saving up for new legendaries are at least considering making old ones they liked. Plus the last remaining legendary is coming out. I think it’s a pretty natural rise tbh.

not that it’s particularly relevant, but that_shaman is a he… do people really get mixed up with dulfy or what?

The portal is probably related to LS3 or maybe at a stretch something to do with the next raid wing? Only known content updates I can think of coming out this year.

Eh honestly I think it’s just going to end up being a hoarder thing.

I think some people are going about understanding this all backwards. They start with “there was only a couple on the TP for 5000g” instead of asking how it got to that point in the first place – the shields were hoarded to the extreme. Strictly speaking, discontinued items in games are easy money – there is no supply coming in, there is almost always demand by regular players but moreso, by investors.

While they did introduce 100 more shields in H’ween 2014, that is just a drop in the pond really and were all most likely (based on the sheer number being dumped now) bought up by investors again (as an aside, what is with people on reddit/the forums saying that most of these 100 were bound to accounts, how could you possibly know that lol) with there also being people buying it for the skin.

People underestimate how many items/how much gold people have in this game.
https://gw2efficiency.com/account/statistics
Check out the top 15 for things such as Account Value, Bank Value, Gold, Liquid Gold & Character Value. This is just people who use Gw2efficiency too mind you. There are 3 people with over 50,000 gold, 2 with over 100,000. There are 13 people with over 50,000 gold in bank value. The top guy has 189k gold worth in his bank, and this was 209k the other day yet his hours haven’t changed, so it’s losing worth for whatever reason. The top 15 for character value (includes bound items etc – but still) are all above 80k gold! This will undoubtedly include people using characters as storage for hoarding purposes. Theoretically, this guy with 189k bank worth – his hours haven’t gone up in a week or so, so he’s obviously unlikely to be the guy dumping shield – but assume for a moment all his worth is in shields. I believe worth is based on the return for selling at lowest listing, so say roughly 0.85*400 = 360g, 189k divided this, the guy could potentially have 525 shield skins sitting in his bank. He still could, we don’t really know.

The point is to not underestimate hoarding. The wealth is certainly there for it to be possible – we have information on a tiny minuscule subset of 15 people from gw2efficiency. Between their wealth alone they could have literally 1000s of shield skins. 15 people.

Something else worth noting is that when these first started being dumped on a large scale, someone was also buying out shield listings on the TP, I’m talking back when it was 1500 – 2000g in December/Jan, someone bought 27 of them at once when I first started getting interested in the market. This person/others continued to buy them as they were being dumped, buying several 100 before the buyouts stopped. They could be taking a huge loss and dumping/cutting their losses, or they might be trying to play a long game.

Now all this is not to say what is happening is unsurprising. I am very surprised that not only are the dumps still going, but how low they have been dumped at. They’ve been dumped as low as 205g, I’ve picked up a couple at 220g at the lowest (and sold/flipped already). Either some folks are losing out BIG time by dumping these (i.e the ones who bought high originally before the crash, or the people stocking up during the dumps) or imo the more likely scenario, people have hoarded them since their introduction where they were going for 15 – 30g for several weeks and are cashing in big time. I say this is more likely because dumping for as low as 205g sounds ridiculous to me, unless you bought them for much cheaper originally.

I’ve been having the standard ‘130 – 180’ higher than usual Aussie ping issue for the last couple of weeks, here’s my ping plotter attached.

Looks like ‘Far end provider bandwidth congestion’ or rather a ‘nothing you can do’ situation..

It’s been well over 1000 shields dumped since December. Probably over 2000 by now. Source: me watching it pretty closely since then. A royal kitten ton were dumped during Easter weekend; a couple of 100.

You’ll notice on the TP graphs that when the less common greatsaw dumps occur, they occur within an hour or so of a shield dump. I’m pretty sure for the most part it’s just a couple of serious hoarders. I’m starting to become convinced it’s just one person.

I suspected something fishy for a while but you’d think if it was multiple people that they’d be competing to dump their stock and it’d be a much more rapid decline as they force each other to sell to lower and lower bids. I don’t really see that happening though, the mass dumps (not the original crash around Hween 2015 – these were not mass dumps) have been controlled and going for over 4 months now. How could you do this while you’re competing with other people to dump stock? That’s what doesn’t make sense to me and makes me think it’s more likely to be, for the most part (i.e discounting a few different dumps like the easter one), one super hoarder.

Very little reason once you’ve completed the majority of achievements/collections.

Not the hardest I guess but some of the LS2 achievements were fairly challenging solo. Even moreso when you think about how hard it is to not lose your mind if you fail and have to go through the whole kittenty episodes again.

MashMash.1645:

If 6 devs that were working on Legendaries are going to be so useful to LS3, then the 6 devs from raids should also be moved over to LS3.

Raids can wait. They are played by a small fraction of the playerbase compared to LS, and LS3 is the priority.

When all the things promised are caught up they can go back to making raids.

I’d be interested to see the numbers/statistics behind people who participate in raids vs people who own legendaries. Some justification I have seen is that only a small percentage of players own legendaries. I’d like to see how it stacks up the percentage playing the raids.

A lot of this post is fanboy nonsense, but this bit in particular caught my eye as it is factually incorrect:

obastable.5231:

There was no promised timeline of when new legendaries would be released post-HoT, only that it would ship with 3 (which it did)

No, it didn’t. The 3 legendaries were released nearly a month after HoT on Nov 17th. Full of bugs, too, mind you. To be fair, a lot of people have got this wrong.

obastable.5231:

and the rest would come eventually. Even if they come 8 years from now they will still be “on time” and delivering on promised content.

8 years is not ‘regular intervals’. 2 years from now isn’t ‘regular intervals’.

Lmao at this thread. People who generally end up doing more work are leechers. Sound logic.

I do dislike the people who just afk at the vine waiting to do damage to it (in my experience this a small minority of the rotaters – and also the non-rotaters) but that is a problem at every single meta event in this game; people being lazy and unwilling to do the lead-up work, and receiving the same rewards as those who do.

I’m not sure what the solution is exactly but I’d start with getting rid of the dumb participation requirement for getting full rewards (which will stop the rotating), the breach/VW in Silverwastes works fine without it. The rewards for doing the pre-events/the outposts etc should be gained on completion of those events, not on completion of killing the octovines. That way the people who do the lead-up work will be rewarded for it and those who don’t, won’t be. It will also fix the issue of doing a lot of work on one map (200% participation) only to find out your map isn’t doing Octo, having to taxi to a new map, and losing all your participation & effort. I believe this is something they’re working on fixing though in their overhaul.

As for the afkers at the vines… that is a much harder problem to fix and as I said, one not unique to the AB meta.

Honestly while delays are never ideal, as long as they are only delays I’d actually be happy with the decision… the core game is suffering and needs all the help it can get, but unfortunately the impression I get from the opening post is that these are not merely delays and that the developement of new legendaries are just being completely cancelled. Gone for good. Can we get some reassurance this is not actually the case or some honesty that it is?

This is a complete joke and this game is going down the drain which is so frustrating for those of us who love it.

Can you at least drop all the diplomacy and be honest and upfront with us; are new legendary weapons cancelled completely? Can we expect to never see Anet deliver on this promise?

decent troll thread, 7/10, loses few points due to lack of originality.

I don’t know why, but people so far in Ruby seem to be generally worse at PvP than the people in sapphire were. Holy kitten some of the garbage I have seen. I am not a pro by any means but by this point I’d kind of expect people to have some kind of clue about rotating and not doing stupid kitten.

Rising Dusk.2408:

I’m not surprised ANet dropped dungeons, honestly. They were an unsustainable system.

I’m not surprised either. That’s more an indictment on Anet though.

Other mmorpgs don’t seem to have problems with creating and maintaining such <5 or 5 man instanced content.

Fractals are completely soulless , the instabilities are garbage and the AR system is alt unfriendly.

Beorn Raukar.4328:

The reality is people do not miss dungeons at all, they miss the easy gold.

No, people want to feel adequately rewarded for what they do. The thing is though Anet killed dungeons psychologically more than anything else. The perception was immediately established after the nerf that nobody would be running dungeons any more and it has completely snowballed from there to become an unfortunate reality. I’m not convinced that increasing the rewards again will even have that much an effect because people will still have the perception that they are unrewarding, making finding groups difficult.